You may not need anything additional....Try it in increments, and watch you temps (motherboard monitor etc). Can't remember which fits the bp6 the best, but it should not be too hard to find out in the hardocp.com forums or some such place.
Yeah, I can wait for the next best thing, and pay twice as much (or more) for it. I overclock partially because I save considerable money (a few hundred bucks) every machine I build. Unstable???? Not if you do it right.
the t-bird is under 200 now, but was it when the 300a's were under 100? I didn't think so. My 300a's could run 450/500 stable when a P2 450 was about as much as I paid for both the cpu and mb. In years of over clocking I've spent maybe 40 bucks. Granted, some folks may not have easy access to old case/PSU fans, but those are 3 bucks a pop at a computer show anyway....
I agree. My PC is no Boss, but it doesn't mean I didn't have fun tweaking it. Somewhere above, a person mentioned it not being the same as a 400Hp etc etc....Well no shit. I don't expect a big adrenaline rush from the damn thing, or an easy score...I do it for the satisfaction that I made something more than the manufacturers intended. Like most good things in life, it's the sense of accomplishment that does it for me.
My linux server is a meager Pent 200 OC to 250. Not much, but I can 'feel' the difference. No extra cooling etc. needed.
2 OC celeron 300's @450/500. No extra anything, and I saved a few hundred bucks.
Present main system is a t-bird 700 OC to 1050. The only extra items are a $25 FOP38 HSF, and a couple old case fans I had in a box. Runs about 5-8 degrees warmer OC. Again, this saved me several 100 bucks at the time I built it.
There have been a couple others I don't remember specifics on (166 to 208 etc). But in the long run, I was out a $25 HSF, a little bit of 'tinker time', and $3 for some good thermal grease. Now if I wanted to go water-cooled, or some such, it would be much more expensive, but this is not necessary to save considerable cash. I view the whole water-cooled/peltier side of OC as a hobby. I'd never run one of these as a server, but for fun....why not? I've spent 2-3 hundred bucks on things for more frivolous, as I figure most people have.
In the long run, I've saved enough cash that my next PC (if I OC again) will be paid for with all the money I've saved over time. I certainly smile when I think about that.
As of 7.2, it's still there. But you can also choose by the package if you're so inclined. As cheap as HDDs are, I prefer to just choose the categories of things initially (database, kde, etc). I may play with other stuff and delete it later though.
I think MDK fills a big void for the home linux user. All the bells and whistles attract the casual consumer. Sure folk who know what the need and see linux can do it, are good to go...but some folks need eye candy for encouragement.
I'm only a casual linux user. My server is always a linux box (that's just how I learned to do it), and at various times, my main box (It's not now b/c of KT133 problems). But I can honestly say that 'bleeding edge' is an attraction to me. It's not a req., but it's nice. Afterall, nobody says the server has to be all cute with KDE etc., but I kinda like playing with that stuff on my main box, or on spare boxes (my tupperware box!!!).
The cutesy in MDK is for the most part, optional. Unlike my other installed O$.
gov't lackey here. We're about as 'paperless' as any other large corporation. Almost everything is electronic to start, but sooooo many people won't even read it till it's printed out. I know folks that print every email, regardless of content. Where does it go after they read it? The trash of course!
We just had to produce several years worth of documentation for the EPA, how was it stored? On paper. How did the EPA want it? On paper. 30 Boxes of paperwork photocopied......sheesh
I've done something somewhat similar with what used to be a Dell Optiplex GX1. My only real complaint is no agp slot, but it's still a good travel box. P2@450mHz,128mb RAM,6gb drive,16mbTNT2. It's a tiny cube like box, so there is very little extra room, so I typically leave the CD-rom out (it kinda slides down b/t cpu and that signature dell expansion card. Everything else (sound/NIC/crap ATI video) is built on. Hell, you can stuff the mouse and power cables inside for travel too.
It's only moderately smaller than a small mini-case, but it's very light and has a handle and cute little pop-top. It coulda been done a lot better, but like you said, it works!
Need to take some damned pictures...I've had this thing for ages.
Some of the best fans used in this manner are under 34db or so, which is fairly quiet. There are numerous ways to quite the computer further. Try sound dampening foam or some such, it works great! I've got a few extra fans and one of those damned GlobalWin-FOP38s which makes for a slightly loud case when the side is off (it's never bothered me though), but assembled, it's hardly louder than any typical machine. That damn 40X CD-Rom is still louder than the whole PC with the side off.
Besides, it's all much, much quiter than the server room at work.
Re:problem for lan parties isn't the case...
on
Cool Case
·
· Score: 1
I've held on to a cheap 17, a cybervision something or other for travel purposes...It's worth the sacrifice of size for the damage done to my back.
IMO having an OS facilitates ease of use by providing all that "common interface" jazz we like so much. If my computer's look and feel changed completely as I changed apps, I don't think I'd consider it nearly so friendly. Without a base OS, vendors' ideas might differ so much from one to another that switching from one app to another could be as drastic as moving b/t my Linux/Winders machines/partitions. I don't like the idea of that.
Re:(somewhat OT) Technical Comment about GlassCode
on
Glasscode Released
·
· Score: 1
Come on, I've seen the/. effect cripple BIG sites. This is some guy's project that he stated was running on meager hardware. What did you expect when it got slammed by the/. hordes? IMHO, kudos to the guy for making an idea a pet project, said project an obsession, and finally obsession into reality. He's not charging money for it, and hell, if it stays up at all, I'd consider it a victory as a 1st real test run.
Here's a good comparison of the two
on
CS vs CIS
·
· Score: 2
It made me feel a little better about my CIS degree.
Re:CIS is different in a few ways
on
CS vs CIS
·
· Score: 1
I've never seen someone get fired b/c their degree was the less popular of two similar fields of study. Maybe b/c said person is a jackass, or can't find the light switch, but b/c their framed piece of paper is one letter different? Come on. I've got a CIS degree, and will be the 1st to tell you that it's crap, but that piece of paper was merely filling one of the pre-req's of the workforce. Get a friggin degree. 99% of what I see says CS/CIS or equivalent anyway.
Now I work a job I enjoy (98% of the time). It's in support/admin which many of you will laugh at, but I like working with people, not stuck in a chair 70-80 hours a week. Here, I get to walk all over the plant (power plant) and talk with folks ranging from nuclear engineers to illiterate custodians. My efforts are appreciated and not a day goes by that I don't get to make somebody's day. I also like the fact that I get to play with all sorts of new shit as it comes down the line. Well, maybe if I were a full-time programmer I could afford to just buy this stuff, but it's nice enough to let the company foot the bill.
Will I get fired in times of recession? Maybe. But considering that I do the work of 4 without realizing it, can be civil with damn near anybody, and genuinely enjoy my work, I doubt it. They're much more likely to fire the guy with the bloated salary and sense of self-importance than the guy that's known to do a great job AND is easy to get along with to boot.
Re:C *I* S: Mgmt trying to look more self importan
on
CS vs CIS
·
· Score: 1
I opted for the CIS route vs. the CS route, mainly because I was tired of math by the time I reached college. For the most part, what you say held true for me. Still, I never considered any major more than just memorization. Sure, you've got the occassional exceptional prof. that really sticks it to ya (a good thing), but for the most part, read the book, memorize the facts, take the test, rinse, repeat. . .
Programming was the other big difference I noticed b/t CS and CIS. In CIS we had the usual crapload of COBOL (why!?!?!) and C/C++, VB, Basic, CICS (I honestly liked this one). If a person where to really enjoy programming as a living, CS is probably the better route, because they stressed programming more. Their C class was better, and they also did assembly, a tad of pascal etc.
I didn't want to program, at least not exclusively. My interests were more support/admin type stuff, which I'm happily doing with my bba/CIS degree.
I guess it all boils down to what you want to do AFTER college. Pick the one that best prepares you for the road you wanna take. As for the two being interchangeable, what I've found is that there are many CS jobs I don't feel qualified for, but in the jobs I do feel qualified for, there has been no difference in salary b/t the two degrees.
Your likely to see this on many players. I've seen it Sony, Apex, RCA, & Phillips players. I assume it just happens sometimes.
I usually just press stop/start and the problem is corrected. Worst case, open/close the tray. I've got an eject button on the remote, so this is the easiest 2nd try for me:)
On another rant, I saw an Apex 703 the other day, and noticed the lack of a power button on the remote. Although I actually like my 600a, I'd not buy a 703 for that reason alone.
Slashdot Mirror
You may not need anything additional....Try it in increments, and watch you temps (motherboard monitor etc). Can't remember which fits the bp6 the best, but it should not be too hard to find out in the hardocp.com forums or some such place.
Yeah, I can wait for the next best thing, and pay twice as much (or more) for it. I overclock partially because I save considerable money (a few hundred bucks) every machine I build. Unstable???? Not if you do it right.
Whenever the wife says I do!
the t-bird is under 200 now, but was it when the 300a's were under 100? I didn't think so. My 300a's could run 450/500 stable when a P2 450 was about as much as I paid for both the cpu and mb. In years of over clocking I've spent maybe 40 bucks. Granted, some folks may not have easy access to old case/PSU fans, but those are 3 bucks a pop at a computer show anyway....
I agree. My PC is no Boss, but it doesn't mean I didn't have fun tweaking it. Somewhere above, a person mentioned it not being the same as a 400Hp etc etc....Well no shit. I don't expect a big adrenaline rush from the damn thing, or an easy score...I do it for the satisfaction that I made something more than the manufacturers intended. Like most good things in life, it's the sense of accomplishment that does it for me.
I agree, but in the back of my mind, a little voice says "now, how fast would optimized code be if I OC'ed?"
Hardly. To recap a few overclocking endeavors:
My linux server is a meager Pent 200 OC to 250. Not much, but I can 'feel' the difference. No extra cooling etc. needed.
2 OC celeron 300's @450/500. No extra anything, and I saved a few hundred bucks.
Present main system is a t-bird 700 OC to 1050. The only extra items are a $25 FOP38 HSF, and a couple old case fans I had in a box. Runs about 5-8 degrees warmer OC. Again, this saved me several 100 bucks at the time I built it.
There have been a couple others I don't remember specifics on (166 to 208 etc). But in the long run, I was out a $25 HSF, a little bit of 'tinker time', and $3 for some good thermal grease. Now if I wanted to go water-cooled, or some such, it would be much more expensive, but this is not necessary to save considerable cash. I view the whole water-cooled/peltier side of OC as a hobby. I'd never run one of these as a server, but for fun....why not? I've spent 2-3 hundred bucks on things for more frivolous, as I figure most people have.
In the long run, I've saved enough cash that my next PC (if I OC again) will be paid for with all the money I've saved over time. I certainly smile when I think about that.
As of 7.2, it's still there. But you can also choose by the package if you're so inclined. As cheap as HDDs are, I prefer to just choose the categories of things initially (database, kde, etc). I may play with other stuff and delete it later though.
I think MDK fills a big void for the home linux user. All the bells and whistles attract the casual consumer. Sure folk who know what the need and see linux can do it, are good to go...but some folks need eye candy for encouragement.
I'm only a casual linux user. My server is always a linux box (that's just how I learned to do it), and at various times, my main box (It's not now b/c of KT133 problems). But I can honestly say that 'bleeding edge' is an attraction to me. It's not a req., but it's nice. Afterall, nobody says the server has to be all cute with KDE etc., but I kinda like playing with that stuff on my main box, or on spare boxes (my tupperware box!!!).
The cutesy in MDK is for the most part, optional. Unlike my other installed O$.
gov't lackey here. We're about as 'paperless' as any other large corporation. Almost everything is electronic to start, but sooooo many people won't even read it till it's printed out. I know folks that print every email, regardless of content. Where does it go after they read it? The trash of course!
We just had to produce several years worth of documentation for the EPA, how was it stored? On paper. How did the EPA want it? On paper. 30 Boxes of paperwork photocopied......sheesh
assuming of course they server their own site.
I've done something somewhat similar with what used to be a Dell Optiplex GX1. My only real complaint is no agp slot, but it's still a good travel box. P2@450mHz,128mb RAM,6gb drive,16mbTNT2. It's a tiny cube like box, so there is very little extra room, so I typically leave the CD-rom out (it kinda slides down b/t cpu and that signature dell expansion card. Everything else (sound/NIC/crap ATI video) is built on. Hell, you can stuff the mouse and power cables inside for travel too.
It's only moderately smaller than a small mini-case, but it's very light and has a handle and cute little pop-top. It coulda been done a lot better, but like you said, it works!
Need to take some damned pictures...I've had this thing for ages.
Some of the best fans used in this manner are under 34db or so, which is fairly quiet. There are numerous ways to quite the computer further. Try sound dampening foam or some such, it works great! I've got a few extra fans and one of those damned GlobalWin-FOP38s which makes for a slightly loud case when the side is off (it's never bothered me though), but assembled, it's hardly louder than any typical machine. That damn 40X CD-Rom is still louder than the whole PC with the side off.
Besides, it's all much, much quiter than the server room at work.
I've held on to a cheap 17, a cybervision something or other for travel purposes...It's worth the sacrifice of size for the damage done to my back.
not without tricks like adjusting the pot so the laser inensity is raised.
IMO having an OS facilitates ease of use by providing all that "common interface" jazz we like so much. If my computer's look and feel changed completely as I changed apps, I don't think I'd consider it nearly so friendly. Without a base OS, vendors' ideas might differ so much from one to another that switching from one app to another could be as drastic as moving b/t my Linux/Winders machines/partitions. I don't like the idea of that.
4,Funny??? Moderation is a strange beast.
Come on, I've seen the /. effect cripple BIG sites. This is some guy's project that he stated was running on meager hardware. What did you expect when it got slammed by the /. hordes? IMHO, kudos to the guy for making an idea a pet project, said project an obsession, and finally obsession into reality. He's not charging money for it, and hell, if it stays up at all, I'd consider it a victory as a 1st real test run.
It made me feel a little better about my CIS degree.
I've never seen someone get fired b/c their degree was the less popular of two similar fields of study. Maybe b/c said person is a jackass, or can't find the light switch, but b/c their framed piece of paper is one letter different? Come on. I've got a CIS degree, and will be the 1st to tell you that it's crap, but that piece of paper was merely filling one of the pre-req's of the workforce. Get a friggin degree. 99% of what I see says CS/CIS or equivalent anyway.
Now I work a job I enjoy (98% of the time). It's in support/admin which many of you will laugh at, but I like working with people, not stuck in a chair 70-80 hours a week. Here, I get to walk all over the plant (power plant) and talk with folks ranging from nuclear engineers to illiterate custodians. My efforts are appreciated and not a day goes by that I don't get to make somebody's day. I also like the fact that I get to play with all sorts of new shit as it comes down the line. Well, maybe if I were a full-time programmer I could afford to just buy this stuff, but it's nice enough to let the company foot the bill.
Will I get fired in times of recession? Maybe. But considering that I do the work of 4 without realizing it, can be civil with damn near anybody, and genuinely enjoy my work, I doubt it. They're much more likely to fire the guy with the bloated salary and sense of self-importance than the guy that's known to do a great job AND is easy to get along with to boot.
I opted for the CIS route vs. the CS route, mainly because I was tired of math by the time I reached college. For the most part, what you say held true for me. Still, I never considered any major more than just memorization. Sure, you've got the occassional exceptional prof. that really sticks it to ya (a good thing), but for the most part, read the book, memorize the facts, take the test, rinse, repeat. . .
Programming was the other big difference I noticed b/t CS and CIS. In CIS we had the usual crapload of COBOL (why!?!?!) and C/C++, VB, Basic, CICS (I honestly liked this one). If a person where to really enjoy programming as a living, CS is probably the better route, because they stressed programming more. Their C class was better, and they also did assembly, a tad of pascal etc.
I didn't want to program, at least not exclusively. My interests were more support/admin type stuff, which I'm happily doing with my bba/CIS degree.
I guess it all boils down to what you want to do AFTER college. Pick the one that best prepares you for the road you wanna take. As for the two being interchangeable, what I've found is that there are many CS jobs I don't feel qualified for, but in the jobs I do feel qualified for, there has been no difference in salary b/t the two degrees.
I've watched gladiator on two different 703's and a 600a, and no problems to be noticed. Of course mileage does vary. . .
Your likely to see this on many players. I've seen it Sony, Apex, RCA, & Phillips players. I assume it just happens sometimes.
:)
I usually just press stop/start and the problem is corrected. Worst case, open/close the tray. I've got an eject button on the remote, so this is the easiest 2nd try for me
On another rant, I saw an Apex 703 the other day, and noticed the lack of a power button on the remote. Although I actually like my 600a, I'd not buy a 703 for that reason alone.
I've got a 32" JVC D-Series with component ins.
Don't like seeing anime on /.??? Well, get your over-generalizing ass to your user prefs and disable the topic. Sheesh. . .