You cant really compare Netware with SuSE. File and print sharing has been a solved problem sine 1990, it "just worked" with Netware 3.x, and except moving to IP, it hasn't change significntly since then. What has changed is the managemnt system, eDirecory, nwadmin-->consoleone-->imanager, value added f/p sharing, NDPS (Novell distrributed print sharing), iFolder, not to mention NSS, Novell Storage System (service? Think LVM+RAID+journling fsys).
"SuSE" can easily share printers and files with the best of them. What it can't do is everything else Ive described above.
I put "SuSE" in quotes, because Novell has a very clear upgrade path for customers, with their new Open Enterprise Server. With some minor exceptions (concurrent NSS sharing in a cluster, I beleive), OES provides all the traditional Netware services, using either a Netware or SuSE core. At the end of the day, people dont want "Netware" or "SuSE" they want "file and printsharing, plus...". "Its all about choice" Netware experts can provide this by running OES Netware; Linux experts can provide it by running OES Linux; Netware experts with some sense of self preservation can migrate services to OES Linux more or less at their leasure; paticularly anal people can run both, even in the same cluster, building stability with diversity.
The expensive part of migrating their customers, from Novell's perspective, is porting their software to Linux. This started long before the SuSE deal... Most of their stuff is not just portable between Netware and Linux, but also runs on Windows, and some stuff on Solaris. Perhaps even harder then a "simple" port is building the migration tools. With OES being at 1.0, this has also been acheived. So all the money that Novell will be... out of pocket... to do the migration has been spent. OES is not a radical change for Netware uses, even if they switch to OES/SuSE. It is very natural and no more difficult then, say, going from Netware 5->6.
OES Linux is licensed as OES. That is, SuSE in OES clothing is exactly the same price as Netware in OES clothing. OES is licensed per-user. What that means is just that. If you have 1 user you can run 1 OES Netware, or 50 OES Netware. If you have 1000 users you can run 1 OES box or 100 OES boxes. Or 1000. Well, there is one catch: there is a ratio that limits the number of OES/SuSE boxen you can run, but its fairly liberal, 10: for 50 users, 50:1 above; eg 101 users allows for 7 SuSE server. Since 50 OES users is less then 1 SuSE subscription, webservers and the like should probabaly be licensed per box. OTOH, I suspect you could "cheat", run OES Netware for all to support "traditional" purposes, and get SuSE for "free"...
This is just based on reading the article, and some speculation on my part but:
There is no "Python database". Yes, there are bindings for a crapload of DBs, but no reasonable ones implemented in Python
There are likely more Java programmers then Python programmers, in general.
There are definitly more Java programmers then Python programmers at Sun.
A bunch of of Java developers actually produced some code.
So it very much came down to "show me the code".
Well, there is the J2ME standard. Java 2 Mobile Edition or something. As for the hardware being significantly different from a PC (or an UltraSPAC.. actually, being RISCy the sparc is perhaps closer then the PC), so what? Java apps do not run on a PC. Java apps do not run on a cell phone. Java apps run on Java. Java apps all run on the same "hardware".
To prefute your argument, "ya, but this is the real world, it does matter" all I can say is: Java has failed at its primary goal. "But thats the fault of the VM implementors". BS again: since Sun is amazingly anal about the word "Java", the blame all lies with them.
To extend that, the reason why copyright exists is to encourage creation of new creative works. The reason why trademarks exist is to reduce market confusion. Since you actually mean the company SCO when you are refering to SCO, there is no confusion.
I bought HL2 (works great under Cedega) and playing through it I had the feeling that the entire thing was a tech demo.
I mean, it was great fun and all (and so far as Im concerned, better then Doom3; and not just because HL2 runs about twice as fast). But the repetition. In the boat sequence, say, you had 3 "puzzles"; make a ramp work, smash a big gate, and make a ramp work. How you made the ramps definitly involved different parts of the physics engine (though I suspect that while the floating barrels was purely map based, the pully system was coded, if that makes any sense), but as a player, same deal. So why did you have to make two ramps? To show off that you could make ramps in two different ways.
Not that this is at all related to this story but: I think the major technology hurdle for games is not the engines, but the map creation. It takes weeks to build even a fairly simple map. So far as Im concerned, you should be able to export some topo data from Grass, and have a map built from that. Add some spawn points, and your good to go. Even if you can increase the map creation tools to a point where someone experience can knock off a map in a day, then you could get: MMORPG using FPS engines. What would be cooler then Fallout Online with the source engine? Have a Enemy Tournement "campaign" that has 100 maps, but you might only play through 10 of them.. and past actions influence future maps; destroy the supply depo and you spawn with 30% less ammo. Attack a very hard map, or two easier maps to get to the goal map. Whatever.
Mayby Im just bitter that the Source SDK is screwed up under Cedgea.
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(x) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
(x) Users of email will not put up with it
(x) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(x) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Anyone from Netware? WTF does that mean? Netware is a product.
The GP did not say that MS hired away Novell developers. He said that MS bought technology from Novell, specificly NDS. Sorry, never happened. Has MS hired ex-Novell employees? Almost definitly, happens all the time; software developement, accountants, MBAs, executives.. Has MS paid unusually large amounts to ex-Novellers to have them "defect"? Perhaps. Without any doubt MS got the lead dev of VMS to defect to work on NT, and he got them to hire on many of his Digital coworkers. But hiring developers is no where near the same thing as buying technology.
Look at the historical context: mid to late 90s. Windows 3.11 ("for workgroups") and NT 3.5 had been shipping for a while, with built in networking. Windows 95 was shipping, with built in and reasonably usefull p2p networking. The low end "workgroup" server market for Novell just died out. But Netware 4, with NDS, had moved beyond isolated servers, it was about managing a network. If you needed no servers, or exactly 1 server, MS stuff was "good enough". But if you were managing multiple servers, multiple sites... you want "directory services" and NDS. Novell isnt (and wasnt) stupid, they were fully aware that their major competitor was the "good enough" p2p networking of 9x, and small workgroup NT servers. Mayby they were even resigined to that fact. But NDS is the foundation of virtually everything Novell has produced since it was introductd. Novell would not sell the NDS technology to anyone at any price, least of all their primary competitor.
- Novell did not sell NDS to Microsoft. At least as far back as DR-DOS days Novell has loathed Microsoft; I doubt they have ever sold them anything except end user licenses - Novell, while long king, was never alone in the NOS space - Banyan, with VINES, was a significant competior to Netware - Banyan StreetTalk came before NDS
StreetTalk, NDS/eDirectory, AD are all x500 directories. They have a common model that traces its roots back to the mid 1980's and OSI.
Microsoft was known to be working on a directory server in at least back as far as 1997.. ie after NT 4.0 shipped. It took them more then a major release cycle to get AD to a working state. NDS shipped in 1996.
I suppose it depends on what level of security you are dealing with. In 2005, on Slashdot, security might only mean computers, but its more general then that. The good counterexample would be that of Alan Turing.. While he was not hacked, the powers beleived he could be, and thus was striped of all his security clearences.
2. By that logic, I need extra permission outside of HTTP to access your content. Thats stupid. You are making it available via HTTP, thus Im allowd to access it via HTTP. If you are using HTTP, then you are allowing for caching. If you dont want to allow caching, then say so using the protocol. Or use something else that you understand.
1. How is the Google cache different from a "transparent" proxy? How is transparency a requirement for proxying? Proxy servers change content all the time. Corporate proxies block some content. Schools block and/or change content. While not codified anywhere courts are reluctant to do much about copyright infringement if that infringement doesn't hurt. Or you could say that infringement requires damages. Google isnt making any money off the content (their product is the added markup). And the content providers arn't, either, they are making money off the adds. Google shows all the images, adds included. How is Googles cache hurting anything?
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You cant really compare Netware with SuSE. File and print sharing has been a solved problem sine 1990, it "just worked" with Netware 3.x, and except moving to IP, it hasn't change significntly since then. What has changed is the managemnt system, eDirecory, nwadmin-->consoleone-->imanager, value added f/p sharing, NDPS (Novell distrributed print sharing), iFolder, not to mention NSS, Novell Storage System (service? Think LVM+RAID+journling fsys).
"SuSE" can easily share printers and files with the best of them. What it can't do is everything else Ive described above.
I put "SuSE" in quotes, because Novell has a very clear upgrade path for customers, with their new Open Enterprise Server. With some minor exceptions (concurrent NSS sharing in a cluster, I beleive), OES provides all the traditional Netware services, using either a Netware or SuSE core. At the end of the day, people dont want "Netware" or "SuSE" they want "file and printsharing, plus...". "Its all about choice" Netware experts can provide this by running OES Netware; Linux experts can provide it by running OES Linux; Netware experts with some sense of self preservation can migrate services to OES Linux more or less at their leasure; paticularly anal people can run both, even in the same cluster, building stability with diversity.
The expensive part of migrating their customers, from Novell's perspective, is porting their software to Linux. This started long before the SuSE deal... Most of their stuff is not just portable between Netware and Linux, but also runs on Windows, and some stuff on Solaris. Perhaps even harder then a "simple" port is building the migration tools. With OES being at 1.0, this has also been acheived. So all the money that Novell will be... out of pocket... to do the migration has been spent. OES is not a radical change for Netware uses, even if they switch to OES/SuSE. It is very natural and no more difficult then, say, going from Netware 5->6.
OES Linux is licensed as OES. That is, SuSE in OES clothing is exactly the same price as Netware in OES clothing. OES is licensed per-user. What that means is just that. If you have 1 user you can run 1 OES Netware, or 50 OES Netware. If you have 1000 users you can run 1 OES box or 100 OES boxes. Or 1000. Well, there is one catch: there is a ratio that limits the number of OES/SuSE boxen you can run, but its fairly liberal, 10: for 50 users, 50:1 above; eg 101 users allows for 7 SuSE server. Since 50 OES users is less then 1 SuSE subscription, webservers and the like should probabaly be licensed per box. OTOH, I suspect you could "cheat", run OES Netware for all to support "traditional" purposes, and get SuSE for "free"...
You mean on the desktop, but server side its done. Open Enterprise Server, baby!
Was not about Wordperfect. It was about Groupwise. Novell still makes a huge amount of money on Groupwise, the WP deal was very much a win for them.
Man, I agree with you 100%. Do you have a record of your thoughts somehwere so I can read more and devote my life to the Church of Icarus?
Yes, but on the downside, you would be living in Texas.
Wouldnt it have been a lot cheaper to drive accross the border and hole up in a $19.99/night hotel one a month?
This is just based on reading the article, and some speculation on my part but: There is no "Python database". Yes, there are bindings for a crapload of DBs, but no reasonable ones implemented in Python There are likely more Java programmers then Python programmers, in general. There are definitly more Java programmers then Python programmers at Sun. A bunch of of Java developers actually produced some code. So it very much came down to "show me the code".
After reading TFA, and then seeing this I asked myself: WTF is Caolan Macnamara, anyway? Select, middle button, enter:
Has OSDL started using /. editors?
Well, there is the J2ME standard. Java 2 Mobile Edition or something. As for the hardware being significantly different from a PC (or an UltraSPAC.. actually, being RISCy the sparc is perhaps closer then the PC), so what? Java apps do not run on a PC. Java apps do not run on a cell phone. Java apps run on Java. Java apps all run on the same "hardware".
To prefute your argument, "ya, but this is the real world, it does matter" all I can say is: Java has failed at its primary goal. "But thats the fault of the VM implementors". BS again: since Sun is amazingly anal about the word "Java", the blame all lies with them.
To extend that, the reason why copyright exists is to encourage creation of new creative works. The reason why trademarks exist is to reduce market confusion. Since you actually mean the company SCO when you are refering to SCO, there is no confusion.
Unless your catholic.
I bought HL2 (works great under Cedega) and playing through it I had the feeling that the entire thing was a tech demo.
I mean, it was great fun and all (and so far as Im concerned, better then Doom3; and not just because HL2 runs about twice as fast). But the repetition. In the boat sequence, say, you had 3 "puzzles"; make a ramp work, smash a big gate, and make a ramp work. How you made the ramps definitly involved different parts of the physics engine (though I suspect that while the floating barrels was purely map based, the pully system was coded, if that makes any sense), but as a player, same deal. So why did you have to make two ramps? To show off that you could make ramps in two different ways.
Not that this is at all related to this story but: I think the major technology hurdle for games is not the engines, but the map creation. It takes weeks to build even a fairly simple map. So far as Im concerned, you should be able to export some topo data from Grass, and have a map built from that. Add some spawn points, and your good to go. Even if you can increase the map creation tools to a point where someone experience can knock off a map in a day, then you could get: MMORPG using FPS engines. What would be cooler then Fallout Online with the source engine? Have a Enemy Tournement "campaign" that has 100 maps, but you might only play through 10 of them.. and past actions influence future maps; destroy the supply depo and you spawn with 30% less ammo. Attack a very hard map, or two easier maps to get to the goal map. Whatever.
Mayby Im just bitter that the Source SDK is screwed up under Cedgea.
And you cant IRC naked if its video. Not unless your into that kind of thing, at least.
IIRC, it expands out to "if I recall correctly"
Your post advocates a
(x) technical ( ) legislative (x) market-based ( ) vigilante
approach to fighting spam. Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. (One or more of the following may apply to your particular idea, and it may have other flaws which used to vary from state to state before a bad federal law was passed.)
( ) Spammers can easily use it to harvest email addresses
(x) Mailing lists and other legitimate email uses would be affected
(x) No one will be able to find the guy or collect the money
( ) It is defenseless against brute force attacks
( ) It will stop spam for two weeks and then we'll be stuck with it
(x) Users of email will not put up with it
(x) Microsoft will not put up with it
( ) The police will not put up with it
( ) Requires too much cooperation from spammers
(x) Requires immediate total cooperation from everybody at once
(x) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers
( ) Spammers don't care about invalid addresses in their lists
(x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business
Talking about slashdotters, it would be more like "10:30 and 10:32"
Anyone from Netware? WTF does that mean? Netware is a product.
The GP did not say that MS hired away Novell developers. He said that MS bought technology from Novell, specificly NDS. Sorry, never happened. Has MS hired ex-Novell employees? Almost definitly, happens all the time; software developement, accountants, MBAs, executives.. Has MS paid unusually large amounts to ex-Novellers to have them "defect"? Perhaps. Without any doubt MS got the lead dev of VMS to defect to work on NT, and he got them to hire on many of his Digital coworkers. But hiring developers is no where near the same thing as buying technology.
Look at the historical context: mid to late 90s. Windows 3.11 ("for workgroups") and NT 3.5 had been shipping for a while, with built in networking. Windows 95 was shipping, with built in and reasonably usefull p2p networking. The low end "workgroup" server market for Novell just died out. But Netware 4, with NDS, had moved beyond isolated servers, it was about managing a network. If you needed no servers, or exactly 1 server, MS stuff was "good enough". But if you were managing multiple servers, multiple sites... you want "directory services" and NDS. Novell isnt (and wasnt) stupid, they were fully aware that their major competitor was the "good enough" p2p networking of 9x, and small workgroup NT servers. Mayby they were even resigined to that fact. But NDS is the foundation of virtually everything Novell has produced since it was introductd. Novell would not sell the NDS technology to anyone at any price, least of all their primary competitor.
What the fuck are you talking about?
- Novell did not sell NDS to Microsoft. At least as far back as DR-DOS days Novell has loathed Microsoft; I doubt they have ever sold them anything except end user licenses
- Novell, while long king, was never alone in the NOS space
- Banyan, with VINES, was a significant competior to Netware
- Banyan StreetTalk came before NDS
StreetTalk, NDS/eDirectory, AD are all x500 directories. They have a common model that traces its roots back to the mid 1980's and OSI.
Microsoft was known to be working on a directory server in at least back as far as 1997.. ie after NT 4.0 shipped. It took them more then a major release cycle to get AD to a working state. NDS shipped in 1996.
If your in the States, and you're planning on going that route, you should do so quietly else a presidential directive will forbid it.
your pets will chew on it, you'll get crap on it
If your pet is chewing and crapping on your cables, I think its time for a one way visit to the vet.
If your a nerdling with a super smart phone, there are no humans within range.
Copyright? Try self repilcating patents! For more information talk to your local Monsanto sales rep.
I suppose it depends on what level of security you are dealing with. In 2005, on Slashdot, security might only mean computers, but its more general then that. The good counterexample would be that of Alan Turing.. While he was not hacked, the powers beleived he could be, and thus was striped of all his security clearences.
If all of these EV1 cars didn't have a $699 licensing fee payed to SCO, then they would be profitable.
2. By that logic, I need extra permission outside of HTTP to access your content. Thats stupid. You are making it available via HTTP, thus Im allowd to access it via HTTP. If you are using HTTP, then you are allowing for caching. If you dont want to allow caching, then say so using the protocol. Or use something else that you understand.
1. How is the Google cache different from a "transparent" proxy? How is transparency a requirement for proxying? Proxy servers change content all the time. Corporate proxies block some content. Schools block and/or change content. While not codified anywhere courts are reluctant to do much about copyright infringement if that infringement doesn't hurt. Or you could say that infringement requires damages. Google isnt making any money off the content (their product is the added markup). And the content providers arn't, either, they are making money off the adds. Google shows all the images, adds included. How is Googles cache hurting anything?