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Open Source Social Bookmarking Service
comforteagle writes "This past week I launched an open source social bookmarking competitor to del.icio.us - de.lirio.us. After running it for a while open to the public it appears to be running relatively bug free so this is the invitation to the Slashdot crowd. The code is entirely open and the content is cc licensed, so I'm sure it won't take too long for folks to cook up some additional tools aside from the blogging feature. For those not familiar the meme is social bookmarking, which is basically a service to share bookmarks publicly instead (or in addition to) only within your browser. There are lots of other additional benefits, but that's the gist of it. More details here and here."
So how is this an advantage over del.icio.us, exactly?
I mean, having source code to a del.icio.us like service available is nice, don't get me wrong. But I don't see how it makes del.irio.us itself any better. I'm not going to be upgrading the software on del.irio.us anytime soon.
Aren't you supposed to pay for ads on this site...
Maybe it's just me, that's a possibility, but I don't understand people's fascination with these kinds of services. Blogging, bookmark sharing, it all seems to me like a cry for attention from other people. Blogging looks like it could be fun, but I never participated in it because it always seemed as if no one would ever particularly are about my life, and if they did, it would say more about their life than mine. For the same reason, I probably wouldn't participate in this type of service. I'm not trolling, I simply really do not see the appeal. If I wanted to keep a record of my life, I'd be much more likely to keep a private journal.
I haven't RTFA because letting the entire world know what my bookmarks are, without an option to let the world know what SOME of my bookmarks are doesn't appeal to me.
Now I could modify delirious to have this feature but I don't have enough time and incentive. But something I do find odd are the names. I've always thought the del.ici.ous name was odd, but this is ridiculous. Is there something in social bookmarking that requires things to have periods in the middle of everything? Or is delirious just copying delicious?
Big deal, my copy of Internet Explorer has been sharing my bookmarks with everyone for years. It can even share my passswords, cookies and credit card numbers!
"Everything is adjustable, provided you have the right tools"
Social bookmarking helps make a better super-nerd.
code for your website and even Rubric (the engine) is not under a known license. author please clear this up.
"Persistence is annoying success." - ghee22 11:28:1999 - 10:53:PM
Interesting conversation on the del.icio.us list, give you an idea from both sides.
Hmmm. The de.lirio.us website is almost identical to the del.icio.us website. I know imitation is the sincerest form of flattery and all, but you'll probably want to change your site design...
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
I don't have any friends, you insensitive clod!
taken! (by Davidleeroth) Thanks Bingo Foo!
http://search.cpan.org/~rjbs/Rubric-0.06/
Joshua Schachter had some great news today, quitting his day job and now committed full time to del.icio.us, with the help of some outside investment.
I'm just delirious...
www.stumbleupon.com a couple of years ago. Sites are submitted, categorised and then can be rated. Using a (Moz or IE) toolbar you can stumble through the sites according to a mixture of preferences.
It to me epitomises the "surfing" part of the web.
Dialectician. Archology.
I have a site here http://www.links.klatt.us/ that I put up recently that allows you to save your own bookmarks.
You can create categories and also set links to be private or public, hence sharing them or keeping them public.
One neat feature (especially for you Firefox users), is the RSS feed, if you go to my own person public page: http://links.klatt.us/public.php?user=klatt and look in the lower right hand corner, you'll see an RSS feed. Add that to your "live bookmarks" in Firefox and your links will be updated on all your machines anytime you add them to the website.
If you register a user and add your links you could do this as well.
The next features I will implement will be importing and exporting of bookmarks from the major browsers.
I submitted this to sourceforge but never heard anything back. Anyone ever have this happen?
If anyone wants to help code, or just give me suggestions let me know!
Thanks,
Frank
on the topic of social bookmarking, there are two uses:
1. as one person already mentioned, you can have access to all your bookmarks when you're away from your machine -- without having to carry any removable media with you.
2. since they're categorized, you can find new links to pages on your topic of interest -- links that have been handpicked by humans. it's like an intelligent filter for search engines.
You may as well just dump Google into my bookmarks, for all the good that would do. I thought the idea of bookmarking was to have a specific, limited set of pointers that are of personal utility, not to replicate "portals".
What's needed is anti-social bookmarking - like a robot that goes through my links and eliminates the ones that aren't necessary. Or a search-engine that searches the content of my bookmarks, and my bookmarks only. It would be even better if it could go out onto the web and actually eliminate websites that I find to be junk, or a waste of bandwidth, to de-clutter my surfing experience.
Come to think of it, this is NOT all well and good. Social bookmarking sounds almost as evil as blogging.
... and then they built the supercollider.
By posting here & now you're letting us know your opinion. We read it because we're interested in comparing your views to ours, learning something you know that we don't.
Bloggers are just doing that too, letting anyone interested know what they think or have learnt. Maybe on a more regular basis, in a more defined structure, but it's essentially the same thing.
Nice of you to fuck up the domain name of your competitor in the story. I'm sure that was just an accident.
site a couple of years ago.
www.stumbleupon.com
Pages are submitted, ranked and then made available so that using a (moz or IE) toolbar you can stumble through a randomish assortment of pages according to interest and content.
To me it epitomises the "surfing" part of the web!
Dialectician. Archology.
What will anyone learn from de.lirio.us being open-source? And who would want to modify it and host their own when the whole point is to have a centralized repository of bookmarks?
Open-source is great for things like libraries that people would like to improve and modify for their own purposes, and for things like operating systems or certain applications where everyone would benefit from having access to the source and regular updates for "free". But using it for web applications or even things like games (not game engines, games) doesn't seem to offer any benefit.
Well i tried this thing and it works, but i realy cant figure out if this is usefull or not. Sure it can be, but not to me. But if it wasn't for this news post i'd never have found this site and never tried it, so thanks to the poster for enlightening me and also thanks to the developer.
Bits of News Giving you the latest bits.
how many places do i need to see boingboing referrers? pointers to lawrence lessig's log? blah blah. these sites cater to the bored and single.
Too late at night, must sleep.
Aww I read it as Open Source Social Engineering Service before I neglected to RTFA. Would have made a much better FA...
Is it just me, or can you see spammers hitting these kinda sites soon....
Granted, not everyone would be upset with a flood of porn links... *cough*
But, like any thing that may at some time be 'good', it will go bad.
You will be baked, and there will be cake.
... calm down, this isn't quite the heresy the subject line indicates it to be ;-).
Having an open-source implementation of social bookmarking similar to del.icio.us is nifty, and kudos to the author for writing it. But what does the user actually gain by switching? Del.icio.us already has a web-service API (complete with Python wrapper) and RSS feeds of its data. The above link shows that the development process is already pretty open -- follow it and the links from there to see what people have done with del.icio.us.
Users of the new service will not be able to take advantage of the network effect that del.icio.us already has going for it; given that we're talking about social sites, this is significant. So, to summarize, yay source code, but what is the benefit here?
Friends don't let friends misuse the subjunctive.
you might want to reconsider the choice of database for a read/write application like this.
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Ok, call me clueless, I've never heard of social-bookmarking, but I faithfully clicked on the link, and it looks like a very cool idea. It could make it easy to find specialty sites. As someone else said, it's like a human-filtered google. But one thing seems to be missing....How do you search?
I'd like to see a list of ALL availiable tags. Or search for tags associated with one of my bookmarks (to try to find similar sites) But I see no such capability. Do you need to login to use it? I looked at del.icio.us, and at least there it appears I may get additional functionality by registering, but I see no point in that. Why force me to register in order to search other people's bookmarks (assuming I need to)?
Or is this is meant by 'cook up additional tools'? Forgive me, but the site layout is atrocious, and it really seems like there is very limited capability to me.
Oh well. Maybe I'm bitching about nothing. Id so, please show me.
Just like a Ruby-user, you fail it.
Maple is a bookmarks manager that stores your bookmarks online. It is integrated into Firefox so bookmarking is fast and easy. You can categorize your bookmarks by assigning them tags. This makes it easy to find and access your bookmarks with the built-in search engine.
http://maple.nu/
The main reason why those services are so useful is bookmark searching. They allow you (at least furl does) to search for keywords within the pages you bookmarked effectively turning it into your "personal Google". It changes the way you work with bookmarks.
As for sharing bookmarks, furl gives you a preference option where you can have all your bookmarks private by default if it bothers you when they are shared.
Your pizza just the way you ought to have it.
Isn't this how Yahoo started? For me, at least, Yahoo (the catalog) was like bookmark repository. If I wanted bookmarks to some topic, I searched within Yahoo. Search engines are different because you end up with a bunch of stuff that may be completely inappropriate to the category you're interested in.
What's conceptually new here?
Bookmarks Synchronizer 1.0.1
Bookmarks Synchronizer is a Mozilla Firefox extension that let you connect to an FTP/WebDAV server and synchronize your bookmarks that are stored in an XML file. Setup is easy; just write in your FTP/WebDAV server address, username, password and a name for the XML file
HOWTO Install and configure Bookmarks Synchronizer in client and on server
This is a classic example of what may be a valuable application without an accessible interface. You may have some good ideas but the initial presentation of the system and its value and functionality is somewhat uncertain. You can have the best idea in the world, but if you can't present this idea in what's typically coined as an "elevator pitch" you will fail.
I hit the site. I couldn't tell what to do. I generally like the idea of ranking and sharing bookmarks but I couldn't tell how your technology or system had anything to do with it.
Someone else will come along. Maybe with a less capable system, but with a better way of translating and explaining the value of such an application and they will trump you. Sometimes if you're too engrossed into the technical details you can screw yourself over. Either you will adapt quickly, or someone else will take your idea and make it more marketable, but what I see right now won't work.
Several comments above say, "I don't get why it's cool." Here's my take on it:
1: You can access your bookmarks from many computers
2: You can check out the "popular links" on the site to see what's probably going to show up on slashdot tomorrow.
3: You can tag bookmarks with multiple tags, so they can be accessed from multiple folders.
4: Great way to share cool links with a group of friends.
5: Firefox RSS feed of your own bookmarks = totally slick
See, before it was people bookmarking personal sites where some goofball had pictures of their cat and other useless content.
Now it's people bookmarking weblogs which almost exclusively deal with the subject of weblogging.
This is progress.
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the strongest word is still the word "free"
Of course, it does have problems, too.
1: When the social bookmarking goes down, you've effectively got no bookmarks. (Foxylicious helps, but it can still be annoying when the site goes down.)
2: You can leak information about yourself, and if the URL contains any secret information, you're really screwed.
3: There's no way easy way save a hierarchy and have it integrate into the browser in a slick way.
4: It gets spammed every so often (people trying to get their links onto the popular page, for example)
So this guy took code someone else wrote (Rubric), and set it up on a domain confusingly similar to del.icio.us? Why, just to be a dick? Should I set up goolge, the open sourced competitor to google?
this is great news! I hope to add some new functionality for wife sharing. Unfortunately, it will probably take some testing to iron out the bugs, so if you come home tomorrow night and find me dicking your wife (and/or daughter), rest assured that I'm doing it for the community.
Score one for FOSS!!!
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"The newly born animals are then whisked off for a quick run through a giant baking oven." --heard on Food Network
Social software. So maybe I'm anti-social, but I just don't get it. de.icio.us, de.lirio.us, flickr, you name it. I just don't get it.
Not that I don't like it. I just don't get it.
All these services never care to explain what they are, how they work, how you use them, who operates them. You go to the front page and what you see looks like search engine spam.
How do people find out how this stuff works? Everybody seems to know it. I don't. Where do you read up on this stuff? Is it considered to be really uncool if you have a two-sentence paragraph somewhere on the front page that tells you what this is all about?
Am I getting old?
another service, which throwing random bookmarck generated by "like-minded" person - http://www.stumbleupon.com/ This one having nice firefox tool bar.
Here's a better question. Remember way back in the day, when search engines were kinda finiky? When we found a cool site, we didn't just bookmark it, we added it to our personal homepage. Along with something to tell people what that site was, and hopefully we made sensible links. How is this better than that?
Google capitalized on that linking, figuring the more people linked to a page/site, the better it must be. Too bad everyone stopped keeping homepages or publishing their bookmarks. Too bad SEO's, spammers, and bloggers figured out there wasn't much linking going on, so the system would be easily tipped. Too bad Google is repeatedly and regularly fooled. For a bunch of guys that are so goddamn smart, they seem to regularly get taken to task...and what are they doing during this? Goofing off with mapping and social communities and webmail and and and and..basically falling into the same trap Apple did many years ago, the same trap HP fell into a few years ago... Overdiversification.
Maybe I'm old, but Netscape stored its bookmarks in an HTML file you could regularly FTP up to your homepage, or something similar. Oh, and back in the day, if you had the time, you could update your homepage a lot. That was kinda like what you kids keep telling me is so "revolutionary"- this whole 'web log' thing.
So pardon while I yawn at this service which..um..does what? Let me post my bookmarks? Which I can do already?
Seriously- the web is supposed to be decentralized. Why do I keep seeing all these people expecting me to put my eggs in their basket? The search engine article earlier today was great- part of the reason Google sucks these days is precisely because we put all our eggs in the Google basket, when there were at least a few other good engines, like Teoma, for example. Google lost the motivation to innovate, because they didn't have to. Frankly, searching these days with Google is like walking down a supermarket baking supplies isle and having people scream at you...and what are those boxes of cereal doing here in the baking supplies?
Please help metamoderate.
Collaborative Aggregation answers an extremely important need: Aggregated web pages form an answer to some research question, be it a one page discussion or the name of a bookmark folder. It is the mechanism of choice for sharing information that is included in more than one web page - contrasted with information that is part of a web page, e.g. how many guns there are in the US, or with information that is *A* web page, e.g. where is the order page for an O'Reilly book.
While StumbleUpon (mentioned above somewhere) is nice, and Amazon has their booklist sharing function (which I'm sure they've patented, *hmpf*), the contender for social bookmarking seems to be Google Answers, from the Expert Sites category. However, rather than cross-referencing and indexing their DB, Google choose to let users mine it with (surprise) a search function, so you need to do some digging if the question is not well-defined and this causes the product to be pretty immature IMHO.
An extension of the concept into Wikipedia would be WikiStrings (suggested name), a group of terms spanning otherwise unrelated topics, plus a text field - the WikiString term - which explains the informational value of packaging the terms together, e.g. "Why Nationality is Stupid WikiString", "Lifestyle Impact of Full-Blown VR WikiString", "Info for Avoiding Media Manipulations WikiString", etc.
In all collab. aggregation is hot. Good luck!!!!!
-Yuval
Tel Aviv
SlashPOW!
I think what's important here isn't the value of social bookmarks, it's about communities of people getting together and sharing interests. It isn't a cry for attention, it's people finding different outlets to express themself with. What's the big deal with social bookmarks, if found someone with similar interests, then there is no reason we can't easily share information. Same goes for blogs, no one is forcing you to read about someone's life, however there are people who enjoy posting to there blog, and participate through a community to interact with other people.
And I'm sure he'll make so much money off this free ad.
Sorry I didn't spell check it.
Bookmarks synchroniser is fantastic. https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php ?application=firefox&version=1.0&os=Windows&catego ry=Bookmarks&numpg=10&id=14
You know what I miss? Leeches.
Some people use del.icio.us as a social service, but I think they're in the minority. Most people I talk to (myself included) use del.icio.us as a way to organize and sync bookmarks between multiple machines.
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And now as I use the service more with FireFox's "Live Bookmarks" feature, I use it to make a "hotlist" of new stuff for given topics. You can keep an eye on certain tags, watching for new links. I can, for example, keep an ear to the ground for ruby links with a live bookmark pointed at http://del.icio.us/rss/tag/ruby/
To go even further on researching a subject, I can find a link I liked and check the relevantly tagged entries of other people who made that link. Maybe they found something I missed.
I was skeptical of del.icio.us, and I was a pretty late adopter, but I'm a believer now. It's a very cool service.
Slashdot. It's Not For Common Sense
I can easily make a portal page from del.icio.us, by using the rss feature combined with tags search. I can dynamically query and feed my del.icio.us bookmarks into my blog or webpage info. I can integrate them right into my browser UI with Firefox's "live bookmarks". Compare that to them sitting in a directory, statically, on my home computer.
The days where web apps are tarpits of information are slowly disappearing. Soon, apps will interoperate with each other because it provides a competitive advantage (want to move from livejournal to blogger? Blogger is going to make this as easy as possible for you, and Livejournal provides the interface because people use it for site syndication). Already, data sharing is very easy, and getting easier. It's only a matter of time before the real tipping point happens, and then the real question will be "Who has the best interface for handling my data," instead of "Who will avoid squirreling my data away in a dark hole."
Slashdot. It's Not For Common Sense
on the Pink Floyd link....
I did this as an assignment for Uni. in 1998. I was told it was technically capable but a bit pointless because everyone carried their Netscape .htm bookmarks on floppy disk around campus. I was told it would never catch on.
See, I knew University was a waste of time.
Andrew
When first skimming the headline, I read it as "Open Source Social Bookmaking Service" and though "wow, neat idea, a free distributed gambling service. Without the bookmaker/local native American tribe taking a cut, betting on sports events would become financially fair and interesting (as long as you manage to get around the taxman)"
Oh well, maybe someday...
Not confused enough? http://translate.google.com/translate?u=www.slashdot.jp&hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=ja&tl=en
Slashdot is considered a blog. It follows the blog structure, it has people posting stories, people commenting on them... and being as widely read as it is it really is the MOAB: the Mother Of All Blogs. Slashcode is pretty similar to other blogging software packages, like WordPress, for example, with some specialized extras like friend / foe and journals.
The only difference between Slashdot and a normal blog is that normal bloggers read their stories before posting.
The ______ Agenda
What the hell, I'll plug my own site: http://www.actilink.nl -- it's not social at all, you just store your own bookmarks. It's fast, and it syncs with Firefox via an extension.
IMHO, it sucks less than the competition.
Link to Bookmarks Synchroniser
Requires: Firefox: 1.0PR - 1.0 Bookmarks Synchronizer is a Mozilla Firefox extension that let you connect to an FTP/WebDAV server and synchronize your bookmarks that are stored in an XML file. Setup is easy; just write in your FTP/WebDAV server address, username, password and a name for the XML file
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So Taco is the Father of All Blogs?
Is it me, or was there a ton of links to Penny Arcade on that site?
Now, seeing the same URL multiple times, and a crappy search feature, more like, the lack of a search feature. I'm not understanding how this is of any use.
And to top it of, no porn URLS?! I dont need more personal blog urls.
No thanks.
It follows the blog structure, it has people posting stories, people commenting on them...
I'm having difficulty how that is different to this forum.
For me delicious is just a online bookmark tool, like ftp'ing netscape bookmars around were. I actually had them in a samba share with VPN access when I was outside the office
Yeah, you could go on and on about the social aspect of it, weblogs and so on, but who cares?
Although it might be interesting to browse around to see what other people is tagging and you might find something that is relevant (serendipity), for me the time that it takes is not worth to get there is not worth it.
Short of it going down hard, I see no reason to leave Del.ico.us for this service. Del.ico.us has given me more than I have ever given it.
Maybe if they made it easy to bookmark sites, and had easy access to the database created by this service, and made the service easy to use....maybe, and I said maybe, the number of links from *real* people would outnumber the links by spammers, and Google searches would quit pulling up links to pages funneling us to a freaking Ebay auction.
Also, some way for Google to pick up that huge amounts of *real* people hated the link they clicked on from a Google search, would allow Google to move that link down in the results. So maybe people could not only bookmark sites, on Google's bookmark service, but attach emotion to them somehow.
I don't know, just a thought.
Usurper_ii
Ron Paul
Do they really expect me to start typing all my 2000 bookmarks all over again?
Remember, next time you make an open source rival software, make sure you developed import/export tools from the competitor.
Another option is Scuttle.
One of the reasons I've been wanting to run my own version of del.ico.us is that the site has had quite a bit of downtime and issues with bandwidth. I'd much rather run my own version for myself and perhaps family and friends in order to ensure that we don't lose our data and can access it however/whenever we wish. I'd also like to imrpove upon some of the things that interest me in regards to the interface and such.
It's like Linux. You stumble around and beat your head against it until you get the hang of it, then you act all elite and superior on message boards around the internet when you talk about it. After a few days worth of head-scratching on your part, you can arrogantly tell the n00bs to READ THE FUCKING FAQ.
If you're an especially gifted ass, you can write a couple of cryptic HOWTOs that assume that you know EVERYTHING except the subject of the HOWTO.
Down with intuitive interfaces and documentation! This is Open Source. Make sure your neck can support your head.
how about unalog
Personally I prefer to use SiteJot as my Online Bookmark Manager. It is different from the other services out there in the way it lays out the page. It displays all my bookmarks on one simple page.
de.lictuo.us Warez, Movie Torrents and other illegal social bookmarks de.siro.us Romantic social bookmarks de.ciduo.us Dendrology social bookmarks de.trit.us Waste management and recycling bookmarks
Weren't there services that did this in the '90's, like Blink.com? They also did auto-recommendation, kinda nifty. Of course back in the day we didn't have all the nifty Moz plugins, they had to use Java craplets, so not as useful.
I've had this idea forever, but what I really wanna see out of these things (besides transparent, reliable bookmark syncing) is auto-categorization. I'm too lazy to put things into appropriate folders.
It's looking good, but yet it's another bookmarker.
I'm using Spurl with the extension to firefox, work great, simple and all.
One button for adding a bookmark, and another to get the Spurl sidebar. I think we can even share our bookmark with other..
There is another open project called Scuttle which brings social bookarking to your own server. It is built around MySQL, PHP and JS and so far very simple to tweak and use for a personal sharing site. Bookmarks can be public, private, or shared with certain members. Neat.
The del.icio.us API was just integrated and you can import from del.icio.us as well. The fellow who started it has a blog at http://www.tecknik.net/poke/.
"I have a cunning plan..."
Heck, I wrote one of those a few years back and forgot about it.
I had a period of blissful unemployment back in 2000 (stupid company bought by stupider but richer company with generous severance package) where I delved into web-apps to make my life better. In particular, coordinating fun with my friends. (Hey, I was burned out and didn't need to look for a new job for at least 6 months)
One was a bookmark system. It was a rather simple framed page with a side frame having the bookmarks and the main screen being your primary search. Just set that page to your homepage and login (yes, I enabled cookies) to have it constantly active. (this was before mozilla and live bookmarks)
When you found a site you wanted you clicked a button and filled out a little form. You could mark the link as private or publish it to the group list, set an expiration date to it, there were various categories/keywords, etc.
It ran on MySQL and PERL and other than setting up a hierarchical folder renderer it wasn't that hard to code. I am a rather pedestrian coder so I'm surprised this is impressive in the slightest.
I've been on slashdot so long I'm starting to get out of touch with the cool stuff if it ain't on slashdot.
Too bad Pirated Sites is down.
Basically, what Steve Mallet did, creator of Del.irio.us, is take the design, the idea, and most of the features of delicious, and copy and paste them with a special "open-source" CTRL-V buttons (he's since changed the site layout and design it would seem - to none at all)
Not unsurprisingly, there has been a flurry of discussion about del.icio.us on the del.icio.us listserv. Most of it is fairly constructive and thoughtful. I think what bothers me the most isn't that yet another social bookmarking engine is springing up. Furl and Spurl have been around for a while and there are few minor ones. But each of these generally adds something new to the mix, such as private bookmarks, or longer comments, or better integration with the browser. Del.irio.us doesn't add anything new at all.
Except maybe open-source. Yay.
It reminds me of the goold ole days, when one friend who wanted to run a BBS copied all the files and ANSI from another friend who had been running a BBS for years. Morale of the story? The second, copied, BBS sucked and died because the "creator" didn't have any innovation or creativity in him anyway. That's my call on delirious.
From Steve Mallet, creator of del.irio.us:
Time to weigh in I guess....
I want to drop in to what might be a partial lion's den just so you can
ping me & get to know what I'm up to.
Few people in the world think I'm the evil kind so perhap you will to.
Some issues I've read about on the list so far:
1) de.lirio.us is evil: I think you'll probably come to find out
differently. I doubt I could convince you otherwise in one email.
2) the name is a rip off: I totally confess to wanting people to know
what the site is about without having to read a desciption or having to
write a long blog posts explaining. If someone is interested in this
space then they'll get a strong signal from the name what it's about.
3) the interface is a rip off: I suck at CSS & this is the basic layout
that came with the software that runs de.lirio.us. I'm totally open to
changing it up. I do want to keep the same UI though. No sense
screwing up what people know how to do now.
4) open source, so what?: Yeah, well if someone wants to extend the
site they can. No need to pester me.
5) Notes, big deal.: Well I like it. And other features people dream up
will be added.
6) Competition: I like competition too, but I don't really see any need
to be antagonistic... though I know some folks see it that way. It
really isn't meant to be. That should shine through over time.
I think clones and complementary services are bound to come along & I
happen to be among the first. I have no problems making services
interoperate / work together on a user or data level at all.
To be frank I know that del.icio.us -may- not see this is a a good
thing, but with clones bound to happen, and me among the first, this is
the best way to proceed. The social aspect is important to me too.
7) Pay some respect: I do respect the work. Some of the above explains
some choices made that people have read inaccurately, but imitation is
the sincerest form of flattery.
To sum up.. I don't expect to make everyone happy. I knew this was
bound to make some folks upset. Such is life. I do think that if you
hang in there you'll see that my intentions are good, that I'm not evil,
and that this is and can is a good thing for everyone.
What Steve Mallett alias comforteagle has to say about his service:
http://de.lirio.us/rubric/entries/tags/stevesucks
I'm not sure whether I should be amused or amazed after reading this. Slashdot being compared to a blog? Sorry, but my interpretation of a blog is a self-absorbed self-referential monologue about one or more subjects that's been transcribed and marked up with html. Sort of like public masturbation, but with css styling.
A typical Slashdot page has everything in common with a usenet thread. For the web weenies who don't know what usenet is or those equally uninformed who proclaim it dead, usenet is sortofkindof like a discussion board, but without the board.
Personally, I enjoy reading anything that's well-written. If I wanted an editorial, I'd check out The NY Times, or Harpers. If I wanted to be informed or amused, there's lots in print and available for free on the web. And aside from an occasional salicious or informative tidbit, mostly time-wasting amusement, if that. Put another way blogging is to good writing (to steal a pithy quote) like a dog walking on its hind legs. It's not done very often, and when it is, it's not done very well.
SkramKoob has a cute cross-platform bookmark service that makes it fairly easy to keep your bookmarks (skramkoob reversed) in a place where you can access it from any machine. They don't do the social networking thing like the de.lirio.us and del.icio.us do, but they are very convenient and cross platform and don't make you view some huge full-sized web page to get at your links.
Signatures are a waste of bandwi (buffering...)
Yeah, right.
Also, some way for Google to pick up that huge amounts of *real* people hated the link they clicked on from a Google search, would allow Google to move that link down in the results. So maybe people could not only bookmark sites, on Google's bookmark service, but attach emotion to them somehow.
That's a great idea.
Unfortunately it would be manipulated about 100,000X more than any other current Google ranking feature.
I just search for my keywords and than click on "This link sucks" or whatever on everyone elses links. *Everyone* would be doing this and thus render any data gathered to be meaningless.
Obviously, you could put limits on what people are allowed to do (like the moderation rules here), but it would still be taken advantage of and would probably screw up the results more than it would really help.
Sinch
Suddenly the .us domain name registration costs are going up.
I tend to use several different web browsers, and I've been frustrated by the tendency to bookmark things in each one. I considered writing a bookmark filter into a database, but haven't got a round tuit yet.
At first glance, using this code as a base one might build a bookmark server so I could maintain the same bookmark set regardless of the browser I use. It would also make it simpler to maintain bookmarks when I update my system, or clean up my home directory, etc.
It's easier to be a result of the past, but more fun to be a cause of the future! http://www.spacefinancegroup.com/
Sorry, but my interpretation of a blog is a self-absorbed self-referential monologue about one or more subjects that's been transcribed and marked up with html. Sort of like public masturbation, but with css styling.
Your interpretation is inaccurate. Although there are many blogs that do contain nothing but trash, there are lots of others that cover news stories and provide perspectives otherwise unavailable through the mass media.
Blogs are a way for people to easily communicate their thoughts to a wide audience, nothing more, nothing less. Some of them are bad, some are good, but to write off all blogs just because you've never seen a good one is ignorant.
"1. as one person already mentioned, you can have access to all your bookmarks when you're away from your machine -- without having to carry any removable media with you."
Online "HTML" E-Mail.
"2. since they're categorized, you can find new links to pages on your topic of interest -- links that have been handpicked by humans. it's like an intelligent filter for search engines."
DMOZ
I've been wanting an open source (and open content) version of delicious since I first started using it months ago. The reason is that I work in a research group that wants to do work on clustering, topic detection, etc. on the entire db, but we can't get it. Also, the API needs a ton of work... Such a good idea.
"the code is entirely open" links to 404 not found. I guess it's not as open as they thought.
-- these are only opinions and they might not be mine.
By posting here & now you're letting us know your opinion. We read it because we're interested in comparing your views to ours, learning something you know that we don't.
Yeah, that's pretty accurate for a statement made in a topical group discussion... "Blogging" is more like when someone pukes and goes, "Hey look, a carrot."
Web journals are the single most depressing thing to come of the Interent.
I built historyagent.com for myself..
I like del.icio.us and the like, but wanted to build my own thing and add more types of feeds, have page icons and quick sorting..
It isn't perfect, but works better for me personally than the others did at the time, and I needed it fully searchable.
This is great though.. glad to see an open source version out there.. If this was done about six months ago it would have saved me some coding.
anime+manga together at last.. in real time.
Jon Udell, reliable innovator, has a nice take on this over here
Rather than taking sides in this debate -- which I can't do, because I sympathize with both positions while endorsing neither -- I'd like to try to broaden its scope....
Artificial intelligence is the study of how to make real computers act like the ones in the movies.
http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/live-bookm arks.html
I just started using it, and there has been a lot of change in 'del.icio.us/tag/python' but it was pycon last week, so maybe there won't be much change in the list of links. (A static list of python links isn't that exciting.)
Thanks for putting on the feedbag. Thanks for going all out. Thanks for showing me your Swiss Army knife.
Note that the Creative Commons button on the de.lirio.us site shows it to be using BY-NC-SA, ie, with the NonCommercial variant.
If I understand correctly, that's not compatible with the GFDL even in spirit, ie, you can't pull de.lirio.us data into Wikipedia. You also couldn't legally put an extract of that data, _or any derivative dataset_, into an RPM package that could be included on any Linux boxed CD set.
Be careful of collaborative projects that use NonCommercial, especially with ShareAlike. It puts a lot of restrictions on what you might want to do later down the track. I don't think it would be worthwhile my contributing to a project like this simply because the licence means the data is useless to me.
You are not a brain: http://books.google.com/books?id=2oV61CeDx-YC
"You have to be aware of some of this yourself though. Why post on slashdot at all, if not for the vague feeling that you're connecting with other human beings? We all long for connections, and being denied by our physical community, build virtual ones instead."
I post here to send secret messages to my comrades in-arms. Watch out, you American dogs.
That's why I created a separate account on my server for my and my parents' bookmark files.
That way, if someone does get this password, the worst they can do is change or delete our bookmarks. "The agony!" So the security problems is solved by limiting privileges to ones I don't care all that much about.
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If you're comparing your project to del.icio.us, keep in mind their value comes from their critical mass of data and their community that keeps adding new data. The source code is not adding much value here imho.
"Open Source" has a lot to answer for in hiding the point of "Free Software". I suggest reading GNU.org's Why Free if you don't get this.
Something like bookmarks.r.us would be MUCH clearer.