Everytime one fills out any paperwork that will be seen by the government (and lots not seen by the government) you have to fill out that little box 'Socal Insurance Number'. This means that all tables/databases have a common field, and so combining information on those tables/databases is as simple as doing a SELECT * WHERE sin.thistable = sin.othertable. (Well, not quite, if the data is in different databases or on diferent computers, but even then a join of some kind is trivial since everything has a common, unique, key).
My point is, there not going out of there way to collect more information then they already collect, and its pretry much only one line of code to make a 'mega database'.
AFAI can remember from reading up on one of the commercial projects to put a hotel on the moon, the moon is handled by internation treaty like the open ocean (ie ocean past 12 (nautical?) miles).
However, there is something there, a space station, and the space station operators can do whatever they want with it..
If you want/need MVS is because you have/want to develope MVS applications, which is to say apps compiled for the 370 (derived) arch.
At one time IBM sold a 370-on-a-board (albit microchanel) so you could emulate a mainframe on your PC.
I suspect what you say about MVS being otherwise inherently tied to the bare metal being true as well. You pointed out that its more than 30 years old, and how you did things back then is a lot different than how you would do things today. Not bad differnt necessarly.. OS for microcomputers and OS for mainframes are going to be different. I would suspect that the "unix" for Crays is very diferent from all other unix's under the hood.
One thing that I can offer supporting the hardware/software relationship is EBCDIC vs ACSII. Looking at the charactor codes for ASCII, it requires a little though to ignore case. Looking at the charactor codes for EBCDIC, you can see that to ignore case you just ignore a paticular bit. (which bit I dont remember) Now, if you running through billions and billions of records your going to save some time doing it the IBM/MVS/370/EBCDIC way.
For values of airplane==spinning, highly polished, top shaped thing.
I cant find a url for the program anywhere, but IIRC it wasent light per se pushing the spinining top up, but the air around the laser impact point becoming superheated.
And at the time of the news report that I saw, it wasent going up much further than 20m or so.
MS business practices, taken alone, are not illegal
Being a monopoly and being a bastard is illegal. Or, more correctly, using you power as a monopoly is illegal.
Netpliance is by no means a monopoly, and what there doing is no worse (which is to say, not at all bad) that cell phone carriers selling phones at a loss.
Lots of companies have tried to make unix usable, for the average joe, on the desktop. [NeXT|Open]Step, sun's CDE, and (apparently) SGI's desktop are leading in the ease of use catagories. But outside of there somewhat niche markets (SGI for there video power (both in scientific visiulazation and movies/tv) and sun for the more general purpose unix requirments (math, stats, and CS types)) you dont see these machines anywhere, and the later (addadamia) is moving to windows PCs , at least at the uni's Ive seen (in the labs anyway). And all of the systems, while easier to administer that 'bare' unix all seem to be set up so that 95% of admin tasks are realy easy, but the other 5% need a realy experience admin - and since enviroments that use these general have an admin on staff, its not a problem. So my question (and Im sure youve heard it a million times before) is:
It seems that unix systems are fundimantly unsutable for the desktop (given that you dont see unix on the desktop outside the above cases), why will the Gnome be any different?
I dont know about AIX, but/Solaris/ isnt a "operating system" but a "operating enviroment" which takes the OS (SunOS) and combines it with a bunch of standard add ons, CDE, for example.
But to add to the confusion, Ill include NeXTStep... I suppose thats the same thing though, the OS is mach, and NeXTStep is the addons. IIRC both NeXTStep and CDE can be run on top of things that aren't the normal OS..
Ok, prehaps I should have put a HHOS in there somewhere..
But, my beteween the lines point was that 'merkins have a significantly overrated view of themselves and there importance in the two major conflicts this (last) century.
I dont know what brought you into WWI, but you were not a decisive factor in its conclusion. And everyone else had been fighting for 3 (4?) more years.
In WWII, you tried desperatly not to get invloved (and I suppose that, in Europe, the Nazis went out of there way not to get you invloved) and managed to avoid 4 years of fighting before someone (woops) sunk half of your Pacific Fleet.
Vietnam asside (for lack of a better description) the Commonwelth has put there ass in the line of fire longer (WWI/II), and more often (UN peacekeeping) then you have in (generaly accepted) nobel goals.
But just a reminder that IBM is a major producer of hard drive components, specificly the heads (which I would imagine are the hardest things to make).
So even if you dont see drives around outside a big blue dominated envirment, IBM is major player in the storage business, for insanly large requirements (which we all know) and everywhere else too.
And apparently they still have a nearly blank cheque research budget.
At the begining of this cycle it was made very clear, in lots of mediums from/. to the 'normal' press that the developement cycle was too long. Less features were added to the kernel, and some that are 'almost' ready that would have held up 2.4 just diddnt get in. This will give everybody some new feature now, and make the upgrade less painful.
For you to have gone to the effort of finding those date but missed this philosiphy change.. well I wonder:)
I realy dont understand why computer geeks dont see that these appliances are good for even them.
When was the last time that you met an electrical engineer who rewired his house with a 'better' power system than 120vRMS (ok, Im in NA) with a dedicated ground? Ill tell you when: never.
In this case the people who this is targated at are more likely to (unknownly) have Win9x file and print shares open to the world than need to ssh home. All things consitered, I would solve that problem at the source by not doing that by default, but the idea of 'big brother' helping the vast majority of the population by blocking that port will make my life easier: "Why are there random things being printed to my printer?" "Why is my drive full of porn?"
And netpliances are not just for the home: today I was at a conference and Compaq was showing off one of there internet caching appliances. It just sits there happily in 3U of rack space with a drive for the OS and logging, cache compleatly in RAM, and a floppy drive for rappid config cloning (open shipping box, mount in rack, insert disk, power on:"ooh, I have a disk" churn churn churn "done, config'd"). Config from a web browser (point it to 10.x.x.x:unusual - non routable). Benchmarked (yes: lies, dam lies..) ad something like 20x Squid. It just works. Its Insanly Great.
Now its a bit pricy ($15k), but that only 10months of T1 access where I am, and it has all your big server things like hot swappable/plugable drives, redundant PSs etc etc. and its targeted at huge businesses, so prehaps not.
My point is, things are compleatly different now: Boxes that just sit there and do what there told, and are rock solid, and dont require administrative intervention are the new world.
Do the desiginers pay you to do the port and then sell it themselves (paid by the hour like), or do swing some license deal where you license for the entire linux market (and assume all the risk), or on a per copy setup, or what?
Even with NT Workstation carefully setup, there are too many things a user can do to damage the installation (and that's not even taking into account the things Windows does on its own).
Why is everyone comparing linux from 2000 with wintel's from 1990? Liberal use of something like Ghost (for reinstalation of your OS) and something like ZENWorks (for application distribution (and repair), print driver distribution, console redirect (like pcanywhere) etc etc, you have a solution at least as good as traditional unix netbooting or nis and nfs'd/usr trees.
And if your running windows on the desktop machines, then your users have the ability to run all of the apps that they want that require windows.
Ah, NDS is not just for login authentication. All security information, printer information, even things like DHCP pools are stored in NDS, in addition to schema addition that all the 'NDS Enabled' programs out there make, things like GroupWise.
You want to read a file, the NDS is checked to see if you have rights. Print to printer_foo? Same thing. Computer is turned on, and sends out a dhcp request? Its in the NDS.
Every single file has an associated NDS object, and every single other object can have there own rights to that object.
Indeed, every single object properties has associated rights.. Its not difficult to get insanly large amounts of directory traffic..
Its Open Directory/Access/ Protocol.. Since (from what I saw, and then immeditly gave up on) OpenLDAP stores the directory in tect files, it will be slower.
You can use LDAP to access NDS. You can use LDAP to access ADS. And the directory you access with O-LDAP is text files.
So the ADS directory its self would have to be an insanly bad structure to be worse than non indexed , non hashed text files.
The space used is not for the processor and other electronics, but with drives. And besides, the cases are still going to be as tall as expansion cards.. Even if you have a mobo/case with no cards, and one with a fan takes up 2u of rack, and without a fan it takes 1u of rack, you still have the 4u RAID case below it...
The underlying reply here is "I dont have enough time" and thats because (I would imagine) his priorities are doing suit type things, editor type things, improving the live software and hardware, and finaly making the code nice.
Releasing the code would take all of five minutes of effort (making a tarbal and/or adding an anon cvs user) and the code would become nice (to read) and better (preformance, features).
Prehaps we should sick ESR on him. Release early, release often.
(I admit it, Im a Novell guy, and think NDS is the coolest thing since...(long pause) Um, the coolest thing ever.)
One thing that linux is good at is replacing the file and print sharing provided by a NT( However linux as a workgroup server currently cant compeat with Netware/NDS (and proably now with *gasp* win2k/ads). Novels marketing division is compleatly brain dead, but when ADS comes online, watch out.
Of course, why anyone would wory about filesystem privilages is beyond me, thats what ZENworks (application launching) and Groupwise (file sharing) is for:)
I guess in the end, you've got to have two servers if you want to be 24x7.
Well, that should be prety clear. If you need to be 24/7 then you need to have redundancy... Even if one of the boxes doent fallover for some reason, there are always upgrade related outages and what not.
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My point is, there not going out of there way to collect more information then they already collect, and its pretry much only one line of code to make a 'mega database'.
AFAI can remember from reading up on one of the commercial projects to put a hotel on the moon, the moon is handled by internation treaty like the open ocean (ie ocean past 12 (nautical?) miles).
However, there is something there, a space station, and the space station operators can do whatever they want with it..
At one time IBM sold a 370-on-a-board (albit microchanel) so you could emulate a mainframe on your PC.
I suspect what you say about MVS being otherwise inherently tied to the bare metal being true as well. You pointed out that its more than 30 years old, and how you did things back then is a lot different than how you would do things today. Not bad differnt necessarly.. OS for microcomputers and OS for mainframes are going to be different. I would suspect that the "unix" for Crays is very diferent from all other unix's under the hood.
One thing that I can offer supporting the hardware/software relationship is EBCDIC vs ACSII. Looking at the charactor codes for ASCII, it requires a little though to ignore case. Looking at the charactor codes for EBCDIC, you can see that to ignore case you just ignore a paticular bit. (which bit I dont remember) Now, if you running through billions and billions of records your going to save some time doing it the IBM/MVS/370/EBCDIC way.
I cant find a url for the program anywhere, but IIRC it wasent light per se pushing the spinining top up, but the air around the laser impact point becoming superheated.
And at the time of the news report that I saw, it wasent going up much further than 20m or so.
- being a monopoly isnt illegal.
- MS business practices, taken alone, are not illegal
Being a monopoly and being a bastard is illegal. Or, more correctly, using you power as a monopoly is illegal.Netpliance is by no means a monopoly, and what there doing is no worse (which is to say, not at all bad) that cell phone carriers selling phones at a loss.
But outside of there somewhat niche markets (SGI for there video power (both in scientific visiulazation and movies/tv) and sun for the more general purpose unix requirments (math, stats, and CS types)) you dont see these machines anywhere, and the later (addadamia) is moving to windows PCs , at least at the uni's Ive seen (in the labs anyway). And all of the systems, while easier to administer that 'bare' unix all seem to be set up so that 95% of admin tasks are realy easy, but the other 5% need a realy experience admin - and since enviroments that use these general have an admin on staff, its not a problem.
So my question (and Im sure youve heard it a million times before) is:
It seems that unix systems are fundimantly unsutable for the desktop (given that you dont see unix on the desktop outside the above cases), why will the Gnome be any different?
But to add to the confusion, Ill include NeXTStep. .. I suppose thats the same thing though, the OS is mach, and NeXTStep is the addons. IIRC both NeXTStep and CDE can be run on top of things that aren't the normal OS..
But, my beteween the lines point was that 'merkins have a significantly overrated view of themselves and there importance in the two major conflicts this (last) century.
I dont know what brought you into WWI, but you were not a decisive factor in its conclusion. And everyone else had been fighting for 3 (4?) more years.
In WWII, you tried desperatly not to get invloved (and I suppose that, in Europe, the Nazis went out of there way not to get you invloved) and managed to avoid 4 years of fighting before someone (woops) sunk half of your Pacific Fleet.
Vietnam asside (for lack of a better description) the Commonwelth has put there ass in the line of fire longer (WWI/II), and more often (UN peacekeeping) then you have in (generaly accepted) nobel goals.
Oh ya, you diddnt win in VietNam either, and the non amercian Alies realy diddnt need you help in WWI.
And in WWII, you invaded France, a netural country, but I guess you can call that saving them from themselves.
Thats a little less than once in my books..
I know that there some how related, or once were.. Can anyone shead some light onto this history?
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just to be nit-pickitty
All it has to do is recogonize numbers, which are faily dissimilar, with the excepton of 1 and 7
But just a reminder that IBM is a major producer of hard drive components, specificly the heads (which I would imagine are the hardest things to make).
So even if you dont see drives around outside a big blue dominated envirment, IBM is major player in the storage business, for insanly large requirements (which we all know) and everywhere else too.
And apparently they still have a nearly blank cheque research budget.
At the begining of this cycle it was made very clear, in lots of mediums from /. to the 'normal' press that the developement cycle was too long. Less features were added to the kernel, and some that are 'almost' ready that would have held up 2.4 just diddnt get in. This will give everybody some new feature now, and make the upgrade less painful.
For you to have gone to the effort of finding those date but missed this philosiphy change.. well I wonder :)
When was the last time that you met an electrical engineer who rewired his house with a 'better' power system than 120vRMS (ok, Im in NA) with a dedicated ground? Ill tell you when: never.
In this case the people who this is targated at are more likely to (unknownly) have Win9x file and print shares open to the world than need to ssh home. All things consitered, I would solve that problem at the source by not doing that by default, but the idea of 'big brother' helping the vast majority of the population by blocking that port will make my life easier: "Why are there random things being printed to my printer?" "Why is my drive full of porn?"
And netpliances are not just for the home: today I was at a conference and Compaq was showing off one of there internet caching appliances. It just sits there happily in 3U of rack space with a drive for the OS and logging, cache compleatly in RAM, and a floppy drive for rappid config cloning (open shipping box, mount in rack, insert disk, power on :"ooh, I have a disk" churn churn churn "done, config'd"). Config from a web browser (point it to 10.x.x.x:unusual - non routable). Benchmarked (yes: lies, dam lies..) ad something like 20x Squid. It just works. Its Insanly Great.
Now its a bit pricy ($15k), but that only 10months of T1 access where I am, and it has all your big server things like hot swappable/plugable drives, redundant PSs etc etc. and its targeted at huge businesses, so prehaps not.
My point is, things are compleatly different now: Boxes that just sit there and do what there told, and are rock solid, and dont require administrative intervention are the new world.
Do the desiginers pay you to do the port and then sell it themselves (paid by the hour like), or do swing some license deal where you license for the entire linux market (and assume all the risk), or on a per copy setup, or what?
Why is everyone comparing linux from 2000 with wintel's from 1990? Liberal use of something like Ghost (for reinstalation of your OS) and something like ZENWorks (for application distribution (and repair), print driver distribution, console redirect (like pcanywhere) etc etc, you have a solution at least as good as traditional unix netbooting or nis and nfs'd /usr trees.
And if your running windows on the desktop machines, then your users have the ability to run all of the apps that they want that require windows.
You want to read a file, the NDS is checked to see if you have rights. Print to printer_foo? Same thing. Computer is turned on, and sends out a dhcp request? Its in the NDS.
Every single file has an associated NDS object, and every single other object can have there own rights to that object.
Indeed, every single object properties has associated rights.. Its not difficult to get insanly large amounts of directory traffic..
You can use LDAP to access NDS. You can use LDAP to access ADS. And the directory you access with O-LDAP is text files.
So the ADS directory its self would have to be an insanly bad structure to be worse than non indexed , non hashed text files.
The space used is not for the processor and other electronics, but with drives. And besides, the cases are still going to be as tall as expansion cards.. Even if you have a mobo/case with no cards, and one with a fan takes up 2u of rack, and without a fan it takes 1u of rack, you still have the 4u RAID case below it...
The underlying reply here is "I dont have enough time" and thats because (I would imagine) his priorities are doing suit type things, editor type things, improving the live software and hardware, and finaly making the code nice.
Releasing the code would take all of five minutes of effort (making a tarbal and/or adding an anon cvs user) and the code would become nice (to read) and better (preformance, features).
Prehaps we should sick ESR on him. Release early, release often.
One thing that linux is good at is replacing the file and print sharing provided by a NT( However linux as a workgroup server currently cant compeat with Netware/NDS (and proably now with *gasp* win2k/ads). Novels marketing division is compleatly brain dead, but when ADS comes online, watch out.
Of course, why anyone would wory about filesystem privilages is beyond me, thats what ZENworks (application launching) and Groupwise (file sharing) is for :)
Yes, not having a tts[1] fs /now/ sucks, but waiting now+1mo*cool_feature_to_include for the next major release is a Bad Thing.
[1] (I wonder if he's a novell type?)
Well, that should be prety clear. If you need to be 24/7 then you need to have redundancy... Even if one of the boxes doent fallover for some reason, there are always upgrade related outages and what not.
Ya, but how the fuck do I unshrinkit?