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cfanjul writes: "IBM seems to be helping nanotech's slow march to end products with
magnetic particles that can be made into a storage device with ten times the density of some of today's drives."
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People don't want small computers? Try telling that to the people that want to fit their entire CD collection onto their portable MP3 players. People are impressed by tiny computers - I would certainly be impressed by something like a wristwatch that holds 1500 hours of music, or a cassette-sized disk that holds 100 GB of data.
My, they're tasty, and expeditious...
And they go great with HOT GRITS!
My penis has been utilizing nanotechnology since I was born.
Thank you
but mrbill ate my username! WILL IT EVER END?
And they go great with HOT GRITS!
Especially if you're eating them with Natalie Portman.
Perhaps if you wouldn't be such a sucky admistrator, this wouldn't happen. YOU SUCK!
like pentium has done with their processors
Ah, give me more information about this Pentium company. Oh wait, you mean Intel.
Btw, how will IBM own nanotech? That's like saying SGI owns LCD technology because they make an LCD display.
Wasn't there a thread a while back dealing with a computer which was produced in Europe in the mid 80s, which didn't require a fan?
It dissipated heat so well that they could safely operate it without the fan. Then other companies who required fans started spreading FUD about how the computers without fans were going to die from overheating and what not. So the company hooked up a basically inoperable fan, and everyone was happy.
And I predict that you're a loser. Oh, that's not a prediction, it's a fact.
Please terminate your virtual career ASAP. And to the moderator who called this drivel "interesting" - thanks for once again proving why moderation doesn't work.
hahaha, you almost had me Signal ! You almost had me believing you until you said you had a job. You know you're too stupid to have a job ! You're like Tommy from Martin.
Good one, dude !
IBM got the Roswell hardware. Amiga got the OS.
IBM will own nanotech? Well, they allready do have alot of the relavent patents. However if you look up most of the expired patents on the basics of microlithography you'll find that IBM had them too. Big Blue tends to get so far ahead of themselves in research that by the time they're ready to productize a new technology the patent is close to expiring, and someone else has figured out how to copy the technology without making a patent too easy to win.
Hey Hemos, how much is the NY-Times paying you?
Mmmm ... Swiss Rolls.
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Biscuits!?
Have you tried Powdermilk Biscuits?
My, they're tasty, and expeditious...
thank you.
It seems that a new techology comes out of IBM every month! I conjecture that the US government send the crashed Roswell spaceship from a few decades back to IBM and have the start working on computers and technology. Every month they will pull another "inovation" out of the spaceship and present it as a new discovery! Given that the US government is believed to spy on foreign companies to benefit our companies, the above shouldn't be too far fetched.
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Generally the final limit is considered to be about 1 bit per atom (theoretically possibly more, practically probably less). Which for a 3.5" drive weighing 500g, is about 2^83 bits, or a trillion terabytes. :)
Forget the keyboards (and mice).. Soon they will be completely obsolete. Voice recognition, brain wave recognition, eye position recognition, and finger/hand recognition will replace them once we have consumer PC's that are that small.
But IBM does something that no other corporation does nearly as well....service. This is really what got IBM back into the game.
IBM actually used this design, or something similar, in some 386 systems. I have an old PS2 (386 16, 2MB, 80MB had disk, runs an old version of OS/2). The fan for it literally does not move any perceptible abount of air, and is smaller then the fan currently sitting on my Celeron. And the power supply is in the monitor.
Well, you're wrong.
Yet another example of Christensen's (Innovator's Dilemma - w/ its focus on the disk industry) Corollary in action..
...) and moore's law acceleration (steepness of the curve) follows aggregate revenues (volume * price point) of a market enabled by a given interface.
:-)... [fill in the blank]
- the 'ilities (quality,
i.e. it's not just what an architecture or implementation does, it is who it enables and enriches (in the aggregate) that determines the winner (presumes you believe that markets work - that individual decision is better than dictat).
seems to work for most interesting past technical competitions. beta vs vhs, dvorak vs qwerty, mac vs pc, microchannel vs eISA, scsi vs ide, nscp plugins-and-pay-for-a-spot-in-the-box controls vs activex, corba vs vbx-s, sparc vs anything
I wonder if Bill Joy has figured out yet that making a select group of programmers more productive with a better language doesn't scale.. vs helping people who are expert in something else first and programmers second be more productive programmers. But then again his recent article suggests that the average and the least of us can't be trusted. Considering how much his investment in Microsoft made him (by empowering individuals) this is a strange turn of events.
Ari
do you remember the name of the book too?
i woner how much stuff i could hold. my 500 meg hd on my laptop is kinda skipmy =(
shut up karma whore. no one cares what you think. if i ran ibm, id build small hard drives regardless of what you think your hp server looks like. eat my hot grits boy!!!1
"...and on the seventh day, He rested..."
great stuff!
So, did anyone find the name of the story about time-machines to lookup research?
The other one is tentatively ID'd as:
The Last Question (from an unknown collection)
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
Is meant to be read how?
Doesn't display in Netscrape, and it looks like something I was going to rummage around in Mozilla to make happen, I've been waiting from something simliar since about 1994.
-- Ender, Duke_of_URL
No, but they do use Weendoze and Office...
This is one step closer to achieving the ultimate goal that has perplexed science for the last 50 years:
"How Can We Fill Hot Bowls of Grits Faster Than The Speed of Light?"
Nanotechnology will accomplish this goal.
thank you
Biscuits!
Have you tried Powdermilk Biscuits?
My, they're tasty, and expeditious...
thank you.
is the number of atoms in one gram of matter multiplied by the atomic weight, which is approximately 6.023x10^23, or about 2^79. So for a quantum computer (1 bit/atom) the above estimate of a trillion terabytes is not far off the mark.
Reminds me of Starship Titanic -- one of the main characters had to keep bothering the bomb so it would lose count and have to start over :-)
You may have been very lucky indeed -- though I was mistaken in using the term "demagnetize." In reality, cold temperatures (rated @ All that aside, however, moving from cold to warm quickly -- say, by turning on the device while it's very cold -- can cause electrical shorts due to condensation on the board. There are HDD's designed to operate in these conditions, but they are not inexpensive.
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SuSE requires around 4GB for the full installation. Of course no sane person go for the full installation, but the same can be said for any Microsoft products.
Personally I don't see this increase in data usage that people keep complaining about, or at least not to any great extent. I find it difficult to fill up any more than around 500MB (though an extra 500MB is nice to have when you're keeping the source around to gcc, glibc, XFree86, etc.), and I'd be at a loss as to what to do with a drive bigger than 2GB.
I keep reading in retarded computer magazines that people should be getting drives of "at least" 5GB with their new computers: what on earth for?! We're not all pornographers, you know.
(Same punchline later on in the movie.)
Little Eva, Little Milton, Little Anthony and the Imperials.
The important question, though, is how many Little Debbies could you store?
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Is that a new road out in Research Triangle Park? :)
I see even classic Slashdot is now pretty much unusable on dial up anymore.
Funny, it displys in Netscape 4.7 just fine for me. What version are you using? It doesn't seem to work with Internet Exploiter though...
BTW, It's not a "data tag". That's an "A" tag that points at a "data scheme" URL.
See A Realization of "data" URL scheme by DeleGate for some other neat examples of this.
It sounds like a cool thing, but the server was down when I tried the link at 11:53 am Pacific time.
How would you type two 0's in a row? Maybe a tri-state switch (0, 1, off) or two keys...
Hands in my pocket
THANK YOU! That is exactly the one I was thinking of!
Eve Fairbanks says I drive a hybrid!LOL
This sounds like an Isaac Azimov short story, forgot the name, read it ages ago. It ends with a massivly powerful computer that takes up zero space and recreates the universe. The story bounces back and forth through computer evolution, some networked, then others self contained, etc.
Eve Fairbanks says I drive a hybrid!LOL
For those of you who might not want to go to the NYTimes, having troubles getting on or want more on the story try this link here.
I was bitching about the lack of a cypherpunks login @ the NYT, and some kind soul set up the same l+p there as well for me.
Johan
First recordings of a television broadcast.
1927!!
http://www.dfm.dircon.co.uk/
Combine this with the news recently of IBM's new 70GB hard drive, and you've got a pretty big hard drive, in a pretty small space... 70GB, ten times that is 700GB.
How long until we have terrabyte drives for consumer use?
(Better question: How long until Microsoft comes out with an OS that takes up 10GB? Win98 was about 500, Win200 was 1 GB, what's next in size?)
Just modify the make options to single keys.
(or even better #make linux).
Minor rant: make clean is missing.
I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
I'm a big IBM fan so I'm not complaining but with advances in disk technology are we putting our data at more risk? As densities get higher and higher more data is being packed into a smaller space. What happens if something physically damages the disk? Smaller damage can now cause greater loss. RAID's looking better and better. Don't get me wrong though, when 75Gig drives show up at my local computer shop you can bet I'll be in line.
Hemos needs help with his nanotech addiction, but I digress.
What happened to IBM? A few years ago, they were dead. These days, it seems like their scientists and engineers crank out some amazing new technology once a week! Maybe corporate giants really can adapt to changing markets and reinvent themselves...
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Nah, that's dead technology!
"Well, good luck finding a judge that doesn't run a bestiality site."
As technology advances, the beeps will be replaced by nanomelodies stored in mp3 format somewhere on a spare/service track.
Caution: Don't whistle during church service or in a movie theatre. That would definitely waste your karma...
Ah, for the hearing-impaired, there's a nanoflashing version. Currently, only those with sausage fingers are out of luck: pliers mandatory.
Use The Source, Luke!
Nanotechnology != "nanobot" or "nanoprobe". That's just the creation of sci-fi (which, I admit, is where many of the science-facts regarding nanotech come from). What IBM is doing - through the manipulation of single magnetic particles to form an ultra-dense, ultra-small drive - is definitely nanotechnology. You don't need tiny robots running around doing your work to have nanotechnology. That's one possible application of nanotech, but you don't need bots to have nanotech.
I just tried it and it worked, some else must have set it up.
Pretty easy to remember tho
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I remember seeing that... I think it was IBM figuring out a way to store data in a peice of Ruby using multicoloured lasers. I never heard of it after that..
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I have one of those calculator watches... Stores schedules and phone numbers too.
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Is this all the same Coward, or are we having a flood of people doing thier best to insult people for their replies?
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Some people have suggested that eventually all backups will be to disk rather than tape.
Personally, I don't know. I mean those ATL's or DLT's really scream, especially when you get 16 or so going at once. But if instead of loading a DLT the robot loaded a cartridge with 250GB of mirrored disk, it might hum pretty good to. Then that disk pack could be taken off site, or swapped into another bot.
Mainly, I just want to take 1000+ picutes with my digital camera without having to download all the time. timbu
The best way to make a computer seem more impressive is to add fans. It doesn't matter if they're even cooling anything, but the constant whir (the higher pitched the better) really helps.
Make Seven
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AWWWW hell, let's just start using a binary keyboard. All you would need is one key. Down=1 Up=0
"Never teach a cat to say 'Tuna,' its all he'll ever want to talk about!" - BEAR
This was they funniest thing I have read in a LONG time!I need to get out.
The Kruger Dunning explains most post on
Now This was they funniest thing I have read in a LONG time!I still need to get out.
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Top Five Unforeseen Developments resulting from Nanotech Drives:
5. Problems related to Heisenberg U.P. allow you to know the drive is installed correctly, or know that the drive is turned on, but not both
4. Public schools ban nanotech drives because teachers can't see them and students use them for cheating
3. Cracker Jack includes a drive not just in every box but in every kernel of popcorn, puts Seagate and Western Digital out of business
2. Scanning electron microscope rental business booms because customers can't see if cables are inserted properly
1. In 2037, Trans-Nanotech Inc. (NYSE:2TNY) announces product to solve the problem of losing all those tiny drives: the floppy disk
Another usefull thing that could come from this is mass storage with no moving parts. Current static memory is just too slow and expensive. Also moving parts tend to beark easier than a fixed solid device.
"The anwser to the ultimate question of Life, the Universe, and Everything is... 42" -Douglas Addams
I was unable to bring up the article, but I'd like to join the discussion regardless. What am I missing here? Who needs drives that are only a few nanometers in size? Me thinks that would make them too small for even the smallest munchkin. Beer... Must have...
Furthermore, the implications are incredible! What would happen to national security? People would be able to carry every secret of an entire country in something smaller than a wallet! I'd like to see the ECHELON monitor that! This stuff is way more serious than mp3s and huge programs... it would revolutionize the computer age! Fiber optics would only be good for real time data. Anyone who *really* wanted to transfer a lot of data would send a square inch hard drive by snail mail for 33 cents! This is way cool stuff!
I know this is way off topic
But sorry, buddy.
Anyone making referances to "Martin" has no room to talk back to someone.
"No pressurization" means very low pressure and not enough vaporized water in the air to condense and cause problems...(of course I'm just speculating)
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Soma: because a gramme is better than a damn.
GAH! I'm so sick of that name...Pentium!
Can't the well-paid Intel marketers think up a better name, considering that the 586 was a -few- generations ago?
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Soma: because a gramme is better than a damn.
Nanotechnology is about making things very small, but still be very precise (not necessarily to the scale of single atom alignment).
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Soma: because a gramme is better than a damn.
TO BUY A NEW CAR WOULD MAKE YOU SEXUALLY ATTRACTIVE.
I have a hard time imagining that one...
Quarks are incredibly tightly bound inside the neutron and proton; AFAIK (but it's been a while since I got my degree in physics), the only way to get any information about the quarks in a nucleon is through extremely high-energy collisions -- big particle accelerator stuff. I suspect you'd take your data medium apart in the attempt to read it.
But then again, a couple of hundred years ago it was theoretically impossible to do almost everything I manage to do in the course of an ordinary day... so who knows?
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Or with a 1 terahertz chip inside we could all tell it what to do with voice commands through headphones with microphone attachment. Forget the keyboard.
thats kindof cool, because money is what progresses technology... but ibm will end up *owning* nanotech, and will create a monopoly out of the hardware, like pentium has done with their processors
im so sure technology improvements (like pI II III) come systematically and annually, coincidently after you upgrade to the previous chip
I think nanotechnology is about how you manufacture things, not about how big the result is. Nanotechnology means building things atom by atom using itsy bitsy robots that handle each atom individually. I don't think IBM is doing that at all.
I bragged about my Karma at a job interview but I didn't get the job.
seriously, how big would your keyboard have to be for a wristwatch computer... damn, remember thsose nifty little calculator-watches? those little rubber buttons were a pain, but they were pretty cool!
"What luck for the rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler
well, uhh, good point. But look, after that's done, you still don't have to worry about carrying your keyboard around with you all the time. or you could just use palm os ;) then you don't need a keyborad...
"What luck for the rulers that men do not think." -- Adolf Hitler
Smaller particles are better, but it will not be cool until I have a holographic storage cube full of pirated multi-region DVDs.
The biggest problem with portable devices (like MP3 players) is that storage is so expensive, because leaving a conventional HDD in a cold car can demagnitize and permanently damage it.
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*ROTFLMFAO* Sorry I wasted my moderator points ealier...someone mod that up PLEASE *LMFAO*
sorry
...and for everyone whining about the nytimes.com login.
http://pa rtners.nytimes.com/library/tech/00/03/biztech/arti cles/17blue.html
Know what I like about atheists? I've yet to meet one that believes God is on their side.
But just a reminder that IBM is a major producer of hard drive components, specificly the heads (which I would imagine are the hardest things to make).
So even if you dont see drives around outside a big blue dominated envirment, IBM is major player in the storage business, for insanly large requirements (which we all know) and everywhere else too.
And apparently they still have a nearly blank cheque research budget.
Welcome to the future folks ...
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:-)
Where everyone walks around with a wristwatch size computer weighing 2 oz. capable of connecting to the global pervasive network wirelessly, with a bazillion byte hard disk, 1 TerraHertz (THz) processor, but still has
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a keyboard that weighs 2 LBS, and is larger than my arm!
just my 2 cents
cheers
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Democrats or Republicans. They are both taking us to the same place and they are not afraid of us anymore.
You don't think these stories plant themselves, do you?
Think of it as Happy Meals for Nerds.
It's rare that you're presented with a knob whose only two positions are Make History and Flee Your Glorious Destiny.
They are sampling nano-fabricated 900MB chips on a footprint of like 5mmx15mm. They target releasing a 180GB drive this year, and a 1.4TB drive next year. All at a cost/MB cheaper than hard drives, a fraction of the operating power, 10 times the bandwidth, and no HD whine! :-)
In 3001, Arthur C. Clarke predicts that the maximum amount of data we'll ever be able to get on a device about the size of today's zip disks is about a petabyte (=1000 terabytes), a staggering amount of information. With this it would appear that we're getting one step closer to this limit, or at least *a* limit. It will be interesting to see what the actual maximum data density storage is... it might even get as far as using the orientation of quarks to store the data. With this then you could store the majority of the world's knowledge (if not all) in a canister of oxygen, or a jug of water.
However, it seems that the more storage we invent, the more we need so in that jug of water all you would probaly fit would be Windows3000. The real problem isn't being addressed here: how to use the storage we have efficiently rather than how to invent more to waste.
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And right now that seems to be the biggest problem they face with this technology, too.
From my point of view, the most interesting thing about this development (and one of the least commented-on, for some reason) is the fact that they're using bottom-up assembly for the recording medium, instead of a top-down process like almost everything else has required. This is a ground-breaking development in the nanotechnology field: instead of using an atomic force microscope to drag atoms into place, they're growing the magnetic domains in their final, self-organized locations.
This is great stuff!
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What's funny about the above comment is that IBM actually advertised that their new 75Gig HD can store "up to 18 DVD movies".
I hope if IBM keeps on using these nanotech drives that they at least give them a nice orange color. I keep on losing all my nanotech drives either in my pants pocket or in the couch or something. Please, for all of us that lose things, keep on making drives with conventional technology so they can be standard sized. I don't want to have to reach for my microscope to install a nanotech drive.
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These would probably fit:
News Release direct from the IBM Research server. Notice they hope to get down to a single magnetic grain eventually, for a density increase of 1,000,000 rather than the mere 100 which this 10-times-smaller allows.
Although I'm putting it on my radar, I think that a little skepticism is in order. Remember bacteriorhodopsin memory devices? Probably not. They came along a few years ago as a memory chip that could store huge amounts of memory in a 3d bio-organic array. Problem was (as I recall) that they couldn't make the laser accurate enough to read it at useable densities.
Anyway, my point is, we see alot more new technology storage devices in development than we actually see come to market. Its a little like drug design (a field I'm familiar with), where only a very small percentage of potential drugs actually make it to market.
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Where is CmdrTaco's translation from storage space into hours of mp3? I depend on this information to plan my future music library! When will it reach the point that you can fit the music equivilent of the library-of-congress onto a single storage device?
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My company just bought a huge HP server. It's roomy enough to sit seven for dinner, muliple redundant power supplies, a 6 disk RAID system, ad nauseum. It's very impressive to look at. Of course, I could build a system to do the same thing at a fraction of the cost, but nobody would buy it because it's small, and doesn't Look Cool.
That's the hidden thing that many companies don't realize. Why did Intel start making CPU *cartridges*? Simple - a small 2x2 inch slab of silicon looks pathetic. "You paid $800 for *THAT*? Ahahahahaha!" They say. Now, you go and show them a stylish cartridge with a cool hologram on the side and all of the sudden "ooh, ahh!" and they want one too.
Nanotech is doomed.. it's too small. =)
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