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Hacking the Highways

cindy writes "LA artist Richard Ankrom got fed up with the terrible signage on the Harbor Freeway. Rather than wait for CalTrans to do something about it, he decided to take matters into his own hands. He carefully made additional signage and added it to an existing freeway sign. The results were so good that no one, including CalTrans, noticed for months! The LA Times has an article including some of the video shot by the artist to document his "crime.""

407 comments

  1. Funny guy by spencerogden · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just saw this stury on the News tonight. Pretty funny story. The guy is glad no charges are being pressed( for trespassing and impersonation, he dressed up as a construction worker ). Of course this is hollywood, so he made a documentary about his crusade to do CalTrans job for them. He encourages others to go fix things that are wrong, sounds like someone who would fit in OS.

    1. Re:Funny guy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I doubt if "impersonating a contruction worker" is a crime. Trespassing and defacing a road sign, sure, but not impersonation. But then who knows what wacky laws there are in California?

    2. Re:Funny guy by Rombuu · · Score: 2, Funny

      The guy is glad no charges are being pressed( for ...impersonation, he dressed up as a construction worker)

      Where is it a crime to impersonate a construction worker?

      Ok, ok, other than a Village People concert?

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  2. Dissapointing by KanSer · · Score: 1

    Kinda dissapointing when The Man agrees with you and concedes that the sign is a good thing. Then again it is good to see them admit defeat. Maybe he could make a sweet case mod out of that stuff... Someone email him.

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    1. Re:Dissapointing by Xopl · · Score: 1, Insightful

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      Oh jesus... now instead of "make a beowulf cluster of those" its "make a case mode out of that."

      LOSER!

    2. Re:Dissapointing by TheDanish · · Score: 1

      Yeah. And at least the artistwasn't entirely insane -- I mean, the way these articles usually go, you'd think that he'd be pressing charges for caltrans not taking it down because it's his property and he wants royalties on it.

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    3. Re:Dissapointing by connorbd · · Score: 2, Offtopic

      I'd love to dump hot grits down my pants in front of this sign.

      I think it's rather a fun idea, actually. I can think of a few places in Massachusetts where this would be a good idea (the ancient I-95 shields on the Tobin Bridge in Charlestown, for example, when I-95 hasn't gone anywhere near the Tobin Bridge, or even Boston for that matter, for about twenty years now).

      Artists do a lot of strange things that make one slap one's head and say "dammit, why didn't I think of that?" Reminds me very much of the artist I once saw on TV who used to print his own dollar bill designs. He didn't spend the bills exactly, just traded them for goods with willing merchants. (I don't think it qualified as counterfeiting, as he was treating it as a barter transaction and most of them didn't look much like the real thing anyway.)

      Every once in a while the phrase "subvert the dominant paradigm" doesn't sound like the fourth tattered bumper sticker from the right on the back of some aged hippie's car...

      /Brian

    4. Re:Dissapointing by jgbrown · · Score: 1

      The artist you are refering to drew one side of the bill on paper. I don't remember his name though.

    5. Re:Dissapointing by Firethorn · · Score: 1

      Reminds me very much of the artist I once saw on TV who used to print his own dollar bill designs. He didn't spend the bills exactly, just traded them for goods with willing merchants.

      Actually, it's important to note that although charged with counterfeiting, he was found innocent, because he didn't use any mechanical means beyond a drafting table to make those bills. He didn't print them, he drew them. So he wasn't guilty of counterfeiting (the definition says mechanically produced). They might have been able to get forgery, but on a more than cursery glance, it's obvious that the bills aren't US currency.

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    6. Re:Dissapointing by Sir+Tristam · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Kinda dissapointing when The Man agrees with you and concedes that the sign is a good thing.
      I'm going to disagree with you and say that it's kinda inspiring. This was, it seems to me, a textbook case of civil disobedience. The artist thought that something was wrong with the system. Although he broke rules to make his point, his actions provided harm to nobody (and acutally provided benefit). It's good to see the system acting in a mature manner, instead of throwing a temper tantrum and arresting him.

      Chris Beckenbach

  3. How is this art? by DavidJA · · Score: 1, Insightful

    , Ankrom decided to take matters into his own hands by adding a simple "North 5" to an existing sign.

    The guy added "North 5" to the sign for god sake! How is this art?

    1. Re:How is this art? by Phosphor3k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well you certainly dont consider West 3 art, do you??

    2. Re:How is this art? by b0r0din · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Congratulations for reading the article.

      He made a perfect replica of a highway sign, which probably isn't all that easy to do on your own. He did it in broad daylight. He got away with it for months. Besides, art imitates life (or in this case, makes life a little easier for everyone else.)

    3. Re:How is this art? by spencerogden · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Considering that the signs were good enough that no one noticed for nine months... If they weren't they are certainly well crafted.

    4. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is art because he will probably get it back a year from now and sell it to some pseudointellectual trust fund baby for $250,000. Of course that is only after he first urinates on it and changes the number 5 to a depiction of the Virgin Mary having sex with Hitler.

    5. Re:How is this art? by CharlezManning · · Score: 1

      I wondered the same thing. I think the idea is that anything done my a person claiming to be an artist may be represented as art. Every time he goes to the bathroom or warms a pizza it's art too.

    6. Re:How is this art? by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 2, Informative

      It's a hell of a good joke, some fine craftsmanship, and a poke at authority. Perhaps that's enough to call it art.

    7. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it and changes the number 5 to a depiction of the Virgin Mary having sex with Hitler
      No, you just have to get some one to say they see the Virgin Mary having sex with Hitler in the number 5.

    8. Re:How is this art? by Asprin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Kinda like the guy that 'draws' $20 bills and trades them to people in exchange for goods & services, or the urban ledgend about the illustration artist who send a postcard resume to a prospective employer that simply stated, "Examine the stamp" (which was, of course, hand drawn). It's not high art in the classic sense, but it requires more skill than Madonna's last twelve albums and a hell of a lot more creativity.

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    9. Re:How is this art? by Jerf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Ever since the double hammer blow of postmodernism and deconstructionism, art has been mostly defined as "whatever people who think they are artists call art". Being an Artist is now mainly an ego-boost, and is used to raise themselves in quality above the riff-raff, like us.

      If I did it, it would not be art, because I'm not a artiste.

      I pity the modern artist; adrift in a sub-culture that actively works to undermine everything, even itself; they live in a solipsistic nightmare.

    10. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not high art in the classic sense, but it requires more skill than Madonna's last twelve albums and a hell of a lot more creativity.

      Not taking anything away from this guy, BUT, I could get an a second week apprentice to do the same job in less then a day, so how is this news?

    11. Re:How is this art? by flacco · · Score: 2

      Is a soup can art? At least this has the performance aspect.

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    12. Re:How is this art? by larry+bagina · · Score: 1
      I took a dump this afternoon. Maybe I can sell it.

      Oh, wait, that as fart, not art.

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    13. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, well, I saw the number 5 in gold!

    14. Re:How is this art? by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      if you had done so, then that would have been news.

      But you didn't, and neither did anyone else, except this guy.

      THAT's why this is news....

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    15. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I actually think Madonna's last few albums required more skill than this piece of garbage. How hard is it to duplicate the interstate sign anyway?

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    16. Re:How is this art? by connorbd · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The idea that "art is what I say it is" is reasonably valid; the only thing is that it may be art, but it can very easily be BAD art. I look at it this way: art has to reach its audience. If it doesn't, it's bad art, though still art. For the record, I do think dadaism is mostly pretentious silliness for people not quite smart enough to out-Magritte Magritte. I will say, however, that every once in a while a statement of that sort impresses me. Hacking a road sign is certainly in that category; if anything it is more akin to MIT hacks, which I would consider art in a sense as well.

      There's good art, which reaches its audience, often (but not always) tells a story, and works on levels as simple as "look what I can do with a couple of lines and blocks of color" (Mondrian) and "pretty Italian girl with strange expression" (the Mona Lisa) to something as complex and/or controversial as "Sex is fun, get comfy with it" (Annie Sprinkle) and "Remember those caught in the middle" (Guernica by Picasso) to something unusual along the lines of "enjoy your food" (Thomas Keller's restaurant, the French Laundry) or "remember the nameless" (the New England Holocaust Memorial, with its etched rows of numbers).

      Some artists do have solipsistic tendencies; endless reams of teen angst poetry are only the beginning of that. IMHO deconstructionism has been a disaster for the humanities, occasionally a useful tool but generally bypassing intent and message to focus solely on motivation. Marshall McLuhan said "the medium is the message". While I don't think this was precisely what he was talking about, art is still a form of mass communications. If the artist can't communicate with the audience, that doesn't make it not art. If the artist chooses to use a nontraditional medium to make his point, that doesn't make it not art. The idea of modern art is to push the frontiers. Honestly, to me a Mondrian is indistinguishable from the pattern of a set of drapes that might have been sitting around since 1970. That's fine. But the fact is that you can't dismiss the idea that "art is what I say it is" out of hand.

      This guy chose to use a BGS (Big Green Sign) as his medium. I would personally consider calling it art to be a stretch, but it's an incredible hack, and if you consider hacks to be artistry it is an excellent example of it.

      /Brian

    17. Re:How is this art? by gilroy · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Blockquoth the poster:

      Besides, art imitates life (or in this case, makes life a little easier for everyone else.)

      No, engineering (supposedly) makes life easier for everyone. Art says something transcendant about the human condition. I don't think "Interchange coming up" quite rises to this level.


      Just because it's difficult and takes care, doesn't mean it's "art". Just because it was subtle doesn't mean it's "art". Just because he ret-conned it as sticking it to the faceless bureaucracy, doesn't mean it's "art".


      It might qualify as a hack, which is orthogonal to its being art, but I have my doubts even there. This guy had his sign seem invisible because it made sense. A good hack plays with what's there, in a way not consistent with the original scene, so that later, you ask, "Why the heck didn't I see that?"

    18. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is Art?

      If a tree falls in the woods does anyone here it?

      If RMS craps do all of us smell it?

      Take a contemporary art class for chrissakes . Or just search for installation art, art/media appropriation.

      This is actually art that does stuff instead of just hang on a wall.

    19. Re:How is this art? by gilroy · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Blockquoth the poster:

      If the artist chooses to use a nontraditional medium to make his point, that doesn't make it not art.

      If the artist chooses to use a nontraditional medium to make his point, that doesn't make it art, either. Too much of modern art -- to my admittedly untrained eye -- is the form of "Look at how clever I am to do something to this medium." That's not enough to qualify.


      Modern art seems to be a collection of people screaming "Look at me! Look at me!" I disagree that this is really art. Art is a transcendant statement about the human condition. This is a road sign. I don't think they overlap.


      I would personally consider calling it art to be a stretch, but it's an incredible hack, and if you consider hacks to be artistry it is an excellent example of it.

      I don't think this is an incredible hack. Its invisibility depended only on its utter reasonableness. He crafted a good sign but essentially he was just an unpaid independent contractor for CalTrans. True hacks, the really good ones, fade into the background by taking advantage of your preconceptions, but then get you to scratch your head and wonder, how did I ever think that was normal. A true hack, in the same vein as this alleged one, was when MIT students replaced the engraving(!) in one of their halls. They changed the motto of the school to something more, well, offbeat, and did it by carving the letters into foam, then placing them in front of the actual letters. Thus, people saw engraved letters and just filed it away, not noticing till much later that the mottom was wrong.


      That was a great hack. This, this is just roadwork.

    20. Re:How is this art? by Jerf · · Score: 2

      Now, for extra bonus points, is this little exchange (or at least my initial post) art, in that I overstated my opinion, hoping to get a post exactly like yours?

      I'm not quite as cynical as my initial post made me out to be; but if I had to pick one of the extreme positions to take, I'd be unusually comfortable with the extreme position that modern (which is to say, the last five years, rather then a technical term referring to a specific period and style) art is largely irrelevant, due to excessive insularity and defensiveness.

      Personally, I think 'hack' comes a lot closer; even in the normal artsy-fartsy sense. I don't see what borders this pushed exactly (except legal ones!), which you can see many posters on the subject alluding to. Still, regardless of what you call it, I think it was worth doing. I get the sense this is "art-for-want-of-a-better-term", because his community doesn't know the word "hack".

    21. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To figure out whether this is art or not, consider the following scenarios.

      If the artist had written to CalTrans and CalTrans had listened to his suggestion, this would be a laudable example of citizen initiative but it would not be art.

      If the artist had taken an existing I-5 sign (say he found one on the side of the road) and placed it there, this would be a clever and useful thing to do, but it would not be art.

      If the artist had contracted with a sign company to produce the sign and had put it up himself, it would not be art.

      If the artist had done a useful but ugly job of altering the sign (like simply spray-painting a 5 on the sign) this would not be art.

      If the artist had put a beautifully designed but quite different 5 on the sign, it might be art but it would have a substantially different meaning.

      So essential to all this was the fact that the artist did it himself by hand (watch the video) and that the sign was meant to be completely compatible with existing specifications.

      To me what the artist did is very interesting because of what it says about authority. Hundreds of years ago kings and queens used art to try to establish their authority (they wore fancy clothes, they had their portraits made by great painters of the day, had their faces stamped on coins, staged elaborate processions, etc.). In other words, part of what made a person a king was simply the fact that a person looked like a king.

      It is often thought that in modern times, we cannot be fooled by this kind of nonsense, and that authority now resides in democracy and bureaucratic systems. This artist shows that in fact authority still relies on aesthetics. By proper aesthetics, he establishes authority (i.e. people get in the left lane to go to Interstate 5). By proper aesthetics, Caltrans does not persecute him, and in fact he forces Caltrans to respect him and share their authority at least a little bit with him. By making the sign by hand, he shows that this kind of aesthetic authority which these days is produced by a vast bureaucratic system (i.e. Caltrans) is well within the abilities of the lone skilled individual. He shows that the "quaint" skilled artisan need not oppose a "modern" bureaucracy by emphasizing artisanal individuality but also can beat the bureaucracy on its own terms. By letting the sign remain unnoticed for months, he shows that although we commuters think of highway signs as completely informational and not as aesthetic objects, the only reason we in fact follow them is because of the way they look (not because they come from some sort of democratic procedure).

      Michael Chwe (too lazy to create an account)

    22. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It did something people weren't expecting, so it is either art, or morally reprehensible; it was fairly nice so it was art/

    23. Re:How is this art? by DEBEDb · · Score: 1

      I look at it this way: art has to reach its audience.

      So now, if the intended audience of a piece
      is only those who would consider it art (
      not everybody!), it has succeeded by definition!

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    24. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't know much about La, do we ... ?

    25. Re:How is this art? by DrSkwid · · Score: 3, Informative

      Tracey Emin beat you both to it

      see what Rolf says

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    26. Re:How is this art? by proj_2501 · · Score: 1
      For the record, I do think dadaism is mostly pretentious silliness for people not quite smart enough to out-Magritte Magritte.

      From what I can tell, that was the whole point of dadaists. They exaggerated pretentiousness in order to poke fun at it and point out its absurdity.

    27. Re:How is this art? by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      And a big congrats to you as well. As noted *in the article* he freelances as a signmaker. So your comment about making a sign on your own not being that easy doesn't hold much water. For the record, I do signmaking for a living and I can tell you that making the actual sign couldn't have taken more than a couple hours, start to finish. And how is it any more of an artwork because he got away with it? How many murderers get away with their crimes for years? Does that qualify them as artists? And since it just clarified directions that should have been there in the first place, it's even easier to go unnoticed.

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    28. Re:How is this art? by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 2
      No, engineering (supposedly) makes life easier for everyone.
      Except when it comes to basic communication. Engineers are nortoriously poor communicators; that's why highway signage is too often so horribly ineffective: it's designed by engineers... Around here, you'll have direction signs installed ***RIGHT AFTER*** the exit!!!!
    29. Re:How is this art? by Jonathan · · Score: 2

      Modern art seems to be a collection of people screaming "Look at me! Look at me!" I disagree that this is really art. Art is a transcendant statement about the human condition.

      Well, that's *your* definition of art, but I (and most rationalists) don't believe that any sort of "transcendant statement" about anything is possible.

      The most famous picture in Western art is the Mona Lisa, which most now accept is a feminized self-portrait of da Vinci himself. All it tells us is poor Lenny da Vinci had odd hangups.

    30. Re:How is this art? by st0rmshad0w · · Score: 2, Interesting

      OK this is art about the same as that idiot pipe-bombing art student's "smiley face" project was art. I've attended one of the US's highest ranked art colleges and lemme tell you something, art is crap. Most of what I have seen in the art world is a waste of energy. This isn't art, it _IS_ a cool hack (which frankly I place more value on) but it's not art and shouldn't be construed as such.

    31. Re:How is this art? by connorbd · · Score: 2

      IHBT?

      I wouldn't say it's art. Just commentary. I'm sure there are some who might label it meta-art, but I would think that a bit pretentious.

      You may be right about insularity in modern art, but that IMHO, like I said, only makes such cases bad art, or pretentious art, but not no art at all.

      /Brian

    32. Re:How is this art? by connorbd · · Score: 2

      Interesting point... but yeah, I suppose that follows.

      /brian

    33. Re:How is this art? by connorbd · · Score: 2

      Yes, but the difference is that Magritte (and Escher, and to a lesser extent Dali) plays with your head, and dadaism just whacks you over it with a snowshovel, then nails it to the wall.

      /Brian

    34. Re:How is this art? by proj_2501 · · Score: 1

      Well, neither Magritte (a surrealist), Escher (who considered himself almost a mathematician), nor Dali (another surrealist) were Dadaists.

      Therefore, if you want to get away with tripe (and I don't simply mean non-objective art) like a black curtain tacked onto a black wall, just call yourself a Dadaist!

    35. Re:How is this art? by vlag · · Score: 1

      He should have added an "All your base" sign.
      Much more appropriate I think.

      ALL YOUR NORTH 5 ARE BELONG TO US

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    36. Re:How is this art? by monkeydo · · Score: 2

      If the artist had contracted with a sign company to produce the sign and had put it up himself, it would not be art.

      According to the article the "artist" makes signs for a living.

      If a sign maker makes a sign and installs it himself is it art? What makes it art, the fact that he trespassed to do it, or the fact that he filmed it?

      If he had done the same thing under contract with Caltran no one would call it art.

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    37. Re:How is this art? by modecx · · Score: 1

      I personally think the fact that he has people arguing over whether or not this stunt is art--makes it art; and that's all that matters.

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    38. Re:How is this art? by Technician · · Score: 2

      This reminds me of another great hack in the Seattle area in Washington State. There is a geocache disguised as a library book on the shelf in a public library. The plastic protector is an exact match to the rest of the books on the shelf right down to the font on the decimal number. To see a write up on this publicly hidden cache, visit www.geocaching.com. Do a hide and seek from the menu on the left side of the page. Do a keyword search on "Overdue". The only thing this hack is missing is the pocket for the check out card on the inside. It has been there for almost a year.

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    39. Re:How is this art? by dmccarty · · Score: 2
      Kinda like the guy that 'draws' $20 bills and trades them to people in exchange for goods & services [...]

      From http://ftp.chaven.com/pub/G-Files/Anarchy_Mechanic al/COUNTERFEITING

      "One celebrated counterfeiter, Emmanuel Ninger, an immigrant Dutch sign painter known as Jim the Penman, passed bills for 14 years, from 1882 to 1896, before being caught. He created his $50 and $100 notes with pen, ink, and a camel's hair brush, and passed about 5 a month in New York City. He probably would have gotten away with it if a bartender hadn't noticed the ink on his fingers after picking a note up."

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    40. Re:How is this art? by Asprin · · Score: 1

      Cool, but this is the guy I was actually talking about - he was featured on a TV show a few years ago, I don't remember which one. Note that Boggs never tried to pass of his hand-drawn bills as authentic money, that's why he calls buying things with them 'transactions'. Yeah, I know. Apparently the court didn't buy it either. ;)

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    41. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I totally see your point of view, but to advocate for the artist's (dunno how many of them read this)..

      Art should evoke an (intended?) emotion in the viewer. So yes comedy can be art as well and sometimes engineering (see bridges, dams, eloquent sw design). Yeah an orthogonal.

      I guess he showed it is an orthogonal to street sign painting as well! It evokes an intended emotion. Humor, not in the motorist but the viewers of the act. Embarrassment/anger for CalTrans (did it work?) since the act was not performed by CalTrans.

      I would also say that he was making a social statement about the failure of bureaucracy to achieve where socially mind individuals/cultures succeed.

      So no. The sign was not art. The act was art. Thus the reason for taping. If CalTrans had made the very same sign, it would not be art. If no one knew he did it, it would not be art. Actually I might argue that the video tape is the art not the sign..

      btw. I dont really like performance art. Doesnt make it less artistic, right?

    42. Re:How is this art? by Jerf · · Score: 2

      IHBT?

      No, just stimulated. Trolling's quite different; this was more like "satire". My point was to encourage thought and conversation, not "just" to get a rise out of people. I'm glad you replied.

    43. Re:How is this art? by gilroy · · Score: 2
      Blockquoth the poster:

      I would also say that he was making a social statement about the failure of bureaucracy to achieve where socially mind individuals/cultures succeed.

      Ah, but blockquoth the LA Times article:

      He thought about complaining to Caltrans. But he figured his suggestion would get lost in the huge state bureaucracy.

      He didn't even try to get CalTrans to fix the problem. So this wasn't "a social statement about the failure of bureaucracy". It was a personal statement about his own failure of initiative and inability to work within a system, which he tried and condemned in his own head. It is, as too much modern "art" is, self-indulgent narcissistic claptrap.


      The guy made a sign. He didn't make art.

    44. Re:How is this art? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      god help us. you geeks would not know what art is if it pushed a large dildo into your pale flabby ass holes. your fucking idea of high culture is the next star wars movie.

      stick to programming and stay away from all other subject matters, your brains are only useful to create tools for those with creativity to use.

    45. Re:How is this art? by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I'm a 'fartiste'. I use a "nontraditional medium " to express myself. If you want, I will even bottle it up and sell it to you for a sum.

  4. Would this be a syllogism by ObviousGuy · · Score: 1

    Melding of physical art and performance art. How risqué!

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    1. Re:Would this be a syllogism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somebody needs to look up syllogism. ("I do not think that word means what you think it means.")

    2. Re:Would this be a syllogism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      specious piece of reasoning

      heh heh heh. Not so obvious joke.

  5. Similar to MIT? by batobin · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This story reminds me of a somewhat similar occurrence that is currently going on at MIT. When I was taking a tour at the campus we walked past a rather large bridge. The tour guide informed us that a local fraternity used the bridge for hazing purposes, and labeled distances on the street in some unit (it started with a Q, quibs maybe?).

    To this day police officers record the spot of accidents in the same unit ("Ahh, yeah, we've got a fender bender at 24 quibs").

    Can anyone more familiar with the area fill in my holes?

    1. Re:Similar to MIT? by adminispheroid · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think I'll be filling in your holes -- I'm a married man -- but the unit you refer to is the "Smoot."

    2. Re:Similar to MIT? by hprotagonist0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The bridge is marked out in Smoots. IIRC, a few drunk guys were walking around the bridge at night when one of them, named Smoot, passed out. The rest of them used him to measure the bridge, placing him down, marking one Smoot at his head, and moving his feet to the previous mark. I don't really remember quite how many Smoots long the bridge is, but I think it's around 120-something.

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    3. Re:Similar to MIT? by thePfhitz · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The measurement used was the "Smoot" after fraternity pledge Oliver Smoot - here's the offical story of how the "Smoot" measurement came to be.

    4. Re:Similar to MIT? by Raetsel · · Score: 5, Informative

      Perhaps it is the "Smoot"-ing of the Harvard Bridge you refer to? It's only off by 2 letters...

      And yes, the local police do use the marks as references when writing accident reports.

      You ought to read "If at all Possible, Involve a Cow." -- it's about college pranks, and has nice sections on both MIT and Caltech. A nice afternoon's diversion, at least... motivation for one's own college prank career at the worst.

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    5. Re:Similar to MIT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nonsense.

      It's well known that the lad's name was Snappy Sammy Smoot, who was known to often say, "Don't forget to smash the state, kids!"

      (no, I don't expect anyone to get the obscure reference that is the point of this joke)

    6. Re:Similar to MIT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      364.4 smoots + 1 ear!

    7. Re:Similar to MIT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Other than "The bridge is marked out in Smoots" that post is so uninformative it's not funny. See the half-dozen other highly rated posts on this story for the real answers.

    8. Re:Similar to MIT? by scharkalvin · · Score: 1

      I think you are refering to the Longfellow bridge over the Charles river. Legend has it that one night a student got so drunk that his buddies had to carry him back to his dorm. When they reached the river they rolled him over the bridge and counted how many revolutions he made on the way. The drunken student's last name was "Smoot" so the marks on the bridge are called "Smoot marks". Every year some of the freshmen class get to repaint the 'smoot marks' on the bridge as part of frat hazing. My brother went to MIT.

    9. Re:Similar to MIT? by CharlieO · · Score: 1

      Perhaps it is the "Smoot"-ing of the Harvard Bridge [mit.edu] you refer to? It's only off by 2 letters...

      Amazing - you'd think that at MIT they would know that the way to spell 1 is 'one', not 'on'.

      Or am I missing some insightful art point?
      :)

    10. Re:Similar to MIT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      'Tis a smoot.

    11. Re:Similar to MIT? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your brother may well have gone to MIT, but he sure didn't learn the story right, did he?

    12. Re:Similar to MIT? by batobin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when I was proofreading that post I was thinking, "Someone is going to make fun of the sentence structure on that one..."

      Oh well. Haha.

    13. Re:Similar to MIT? by Xenex · · Score: 1

      This is totally offtopic, but I've tried e-mail with no reply, so:

      What is up with Artificial Cheese?

      No updates since last year, and of right now I can't even access it.

      Some people did find the site interesting. If you've killed it off, at least a little note on the front page saying as much would be nice...

    14. Re:Similar to MIT? by batobin · · Score: 1

      Alas, it's me, Brian Tobin, the sole owner, writer, and admin of Artificial Cheese.

      Honestly, I don't know why your e-mail didn't get through. I get other messages at that address (spam), so I know it works. I'm sorry no reply was sent to you.

      I'm thrilled to hear you went to the site. I'm even more thrilled that you actually read the stuff I wrote. When I look back at the time I spent on that site, I like to think of it as well spent. I stopped because it simply took too much of my time, and I was practically starving due to low advertising rates (as even Slashdot is now discovering).

      I've been meaning to get around to telling my visitors (if any still exist) about what happened. I've actually spent some time re-doing some HTML ( I moved servers, and things kinda broke). To be honest, I'm getting a little teary eyed thinking about it right now. I loved that site more than life itself.

      One day, I swear, I'll restore the site. Heck, maybe I'll even write a couple articles a month. Who knows. :)

  6. Interesting.... by flyingember · · Score: 0, Troll

    Who'd have thought that stuff like this would happen. More proof government doesn't know what it's doing across the board

  7. err. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    this was so on metafilter, like, hours ago.

    yawn.

  8. No copycats please! by line-bundle · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I do hope there will be no copycats for this thing. Some people with less pure intentions (e.g terrorists) might decide to do some redirecting.

    It might be useful if he does get some sort of punishment (slap on the wrist maybe). The powers-that-be must show they have working teeth.

    P.S. I have also heard of artist painting stamps on their envelopes just to show they can do it (it cost way more than the stamp price in both time and money).

    P.P.P Does this qualify as an art-hack?

    1. Re:No copycats please! by Profe55or+Booty · · Score: 4, Funny

      Some people with less pure intentions (e.g terrorists) might decide to do some redirecting.

      actually, now that you mention it, i heard on the news today that osama's most recent fatwa was to misdirect all americans on the highway.

      greg "tired of hearing everything called a terrorist" clarke

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    2. Re:No copycats please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, it's asshole extremist alarmists like you that are getting our rights taken away. "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" Better tear up the constitution. If you aren't with me, you are branded a terrorist. Shut your fucking pie hole.

    3. Re:No copycats please! by mr100percent · · Score: 2

      The Stamp thing is an urban legend. Phony.

      Real Stamps have special strips on them that the stamp meter can see under IR, to make sure that it is a real stamp, and a full one. No matter how good the artistry, it still wouldn't pass.

    4. Re:No copycats please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope everybody does it just to spite you.

      P.S. So?

      P.P.P No, because it ain't art. My mom could have done that.

    5. Re:No copycats please! by ndfa · · Score: 2

      finally... some real humor.... lost sadly on this crowd...

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    6. Re:No copycats please! by canadian_right · · Score: 2
      Why should he be punished for doing a favour to the citizens and state? He improved the signage. He made it to spec. Just exactly what did he do that deserves punishment?

      This type of behaviour should be encouraged. More people should do volunteer work. Punishing this guy is like some of the unions at the schools up here that want to ban parents from volunteering at the schools because it "steals union jobs".

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    7. Re:No copycats please! by nurightshu · · Score: 3, Funny

      P.P.P No, because it ain't art. My mom could have done that.

      <absurdity>Personally, I think that the Point-to-Point Protocol is art, but I have weird definitions of art.

      And if your mom really can write a better PPP implemenation, by all means encourage her to do so! It's all about the innovation.</absurdity>

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    8. Re:No copycats please! by linzeal · · Score: 1

      This used to happen before they had such checks.

    9. Re:No copycats please! by haystor · · Score: 1

      I heard of one person that drew $50 bills and sold them as art for $50.

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    10. Re:No copycats please! by linzeal · · Score: 1

      Check google right now I don't have time to search for the reference.

    11. Re:No copycats please! by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You're thinking of JSG Boggs. He makes his own money and spends it (to anyone who will accept it) at face value. He doesn't sell them as art, however. He just buys stuff with them.

      Apparently the value as a work of art is actually higher than the face value. If you run across a Boggs bill, you definately want to look for an interested art collector. (or keep it in circulation, which is more fun)

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    12. Re:No copycats please! by dstone · · Score: 2

      Some people with less pure intentions (e.g terrorists) might decide to do some redirecting.

      Oh no. Terrorists might redirect traffic. Dear god, no! That might cause traffic congestion. NO! Please!

      Yeah, back at the terrorist ranch, I'm sure the terrorist who redirects highway traffic and causes gridlock and a few accidents will be heralded as Terrorist of the Month(tm).

      Lighten up.

    13. Re:No copycats please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, let's punish non-terrorists because we are afraid of terrorists.

    14. Re:No copycats please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Way to go, now you just gave Osama the idea of doing this. This is kinda like putting a sign on your door saying, PLEASE DON'T ROB MY HOUSE, BECAUSE THE DOOR IS UNLOCKED. THANKS.

    15. Re:No copycats please! by ayden · · Score: 1

      Thank you. I wish I had moderator points I could use on this post.

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    16. Re:No copycats please! by nathanh · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I do hope there will be no copycats for this thing. Some people with less pure intentions (e.g terrorists) might decide to do some redirecting.

      Is "terrorists" the new "communists"? When do the witch hunts begin? Can anybody join?

      And why is it that the USA doesn't give a rats arse about "terrorism" until it happens to them.

    17. Re:No copycats please! by von+Prufer · · Score: 1

      Hush, terrorist.

    18. Re:No copycats please! by Gunzour · · Score: 1

      It's cool that he apparently found a way to improve signage and help motorists.

      What's not cool is how he did it. He did not get approval from anybody. He did it covertly -- going so far as to disguise himself as a construction worker and create a fake work order in order to deceive the police if they showed up. His actions were unethical. It wasn't volunteer work, either. It might have been considered that if he volunteered his services to somebody, but that's not what he did. He took it upon himself to change the state-owned signage, whether the state liked it or not.

      What if what he thought was "helpful" turned out to be detrimental? Fortunately in this case the guy was apparently pretty smart and made an intelligent modification. What if the next guy decides it would be better if all of the exit numbers were changed? Or the speed limit?

    19. Re:No copycats please! by TaliesinWI · · Score: 1

      Back in the day, I personally recieved a letter from my (slightly daffy, now-dead) grandmother. She couldn't find a stamp, but really wanted to get the letter in the mail (it was for my birthday), so she taped a quarter where the stamp should have been, and dropped it in her porch mailbox.
      It arrived at my house, three days later, a state away, with the quarter still attached.
      Of course, nowadays, the automatic sorters would have a fit, etc etc...but this was at least fifteen years ago. Apparently the tech wasn't quite as widespread. :)

    20. Re:No copycats please! by HiThere · · Score: 2

      The "crusade against terrorism" would have died away a long time ago (and possibly some actual effective action would have been taken) if the govt. hadn't seen that it was a jolly good way to get whatever power they wanted. Just scream "We've got to protect ourselves!". It's been even more effective than "think of the children!". And the people who use it have been even more vile.

      Some people, though, actually do still believe it. It always surprises me that anyone...

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    21. Re:No copycats please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      By definition it isn't terrorism unless it's happening to you.

    22. Re:No copycats please! by Peter+Simpson · · Score: 1

      pssst! Here's where the *real* directions are...

      ...you're supposed to follow the secret reflective marks on the *backs* of the signs!

    23. Re:No copycats please! by M-G · · Score: 2

      While he did do a good job, all I can think about is the liability he opened himself up to, and probably CalTrans as well. One person carrying a metal sign above traffic, and affixing it. The opportunity for this sign to be dropped onto traffic was there. Lucky for him it didn't happen. Hell, even dropping a bolt or something would be enough to break a windshield...

      In most places, signage work like this would be done with a lane closure under the spot where the work was being done, so his being up there without the lane closed would be suspicious anyway. But perhaps with the volume of traffic in California, they don't do this...

    24. Re:No copycats please! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're thinking of JSG Boggs. He makes his own money and spends it (to anyone who will accept it) at face value. He doesn't sell them as art, however. He just buys stuff with them.

      And gets screwed over by various governments for doing so. The US gov't has seized his work "as evidence for an upcoming prosecution" and won't return it. Harrassment, pure and simple. It's happened more than once. See for the story.

  9. The dark side by cybermint · · Score: 1

    Pray no copy cats take this to the dark side and tamper with the traffic system in an unjust manner.

    1. Re:The dark side by MisterBlister · · Score: 1
      If they do..George Bush will smite those...evil doers.

      Hah, just kidding. George Bush is a fag.

  10. Open source? by BlueFall · · Score: 1

    Hmmm... open source highway signs? :)

    1. Re:Open source? by FlavorDave · · Score: 1


      Sounds like they need a Wiki!

    2. Re:Open source? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wiki Gonzales?

  11. Jeez, IBM missed a golden opportunity... by Tony+Hammitt · · Score: 4, Funny

    They could have grafitti'd "Peace, Love, Linux, this way to Oakland" on the sidewalks in San Francisco. Then they might have gotten some GOOD press...

    1. Re:Jeez, IBM missed a golden opportunity... by linzeal · · Score: 1

      You mean berkley, there is not a lot of love in oakland. Last week in a 40 hour period 11 people were shot.

    2. Re:Jeez, IBM missed a golden opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about "Exit 404" or "Hiway 401 Toll Ahead" signs? :)

    3. Re:Jeez, IBM missed a golden opportunity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Troll Ahead" maybe...

    4. Re:Jeez, IBM missed a golden opportunity... by stefanlasiewski · · Score: 1

      It's been what, 1.5 years and they still haven't removed the damn logos...

      "Biodegradable chalk" my ass...

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  12. That's pretty funny.... by Daelin1782 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was one of the motorists who drove by it about, oh, a thousand times. I even used it to go to a wedding a few miles north on the I-5. I just thought when I saw it the first time, "Hey CalTrans is finally doing its job."

    1. Re:That's pretty funny.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yea me too. I was so happy when going home from the Staple's Center was made easy. I hate that area but love that sign...

  13. I don't get it.... by MattGWU · · Score: 5, Funny

    He added something to a highway sign. Something that appears on thousands of highways signs in the country. What point is he trying to make here? The article made numerous references to an almost heroic face-egging of the elite pork-barrelists in their ivory towers, but why? Kind of funny how the transit authority agreed with him...kind of cheapens the whole thing. Maybe they understand it.

    Does the fact that he was very careful in making this sign make it art? Can I lovingly craft a standard school issue room number placard and label an unlabled room in the name of art? The faceless school gestapo will never notice, and my sign may be seen by dozens of unwary students shuffling to and from class in that way they tend to. I'll be a hero. Take THAT, facilities and maintanance!

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    1. Re:I don't get it.... by Snoopy77 · · Score: 1

      Oh and don't stop there. You could also repaint the old lockers that prison grey color and restencil the locker numbers on, just like the original lockers. The kids and the schoolstapo will sense that something has changed but I bet it will take them months to figure it out.

      Now that would really be art!

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    2. Re:I don't get it.... by yog · · Score: 5, Insightful

      He made a compelling statement. Something really obvious needed fixing and the responsible authorities were too clueless to fix it, so he fixed it for them.

      If everyone had a constructive attitude like that, think what a society we'd have. People would automatically pick up trash, report suspicious behavior, finger dishonest colleagues or employers, and generally apply millions of little improvements to the status quo. Too bad most people are too selfish/alienated/cynical to care. It's inspiring to see someone who does care, and passionately, too.

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    3. Re:I don't get it.... by ender81b · · Score: 2

      As long as you are the first one to do it & it is fairly original.. yeah it will be art.

      I'm in the wrong business.

    4. Re:I don't get it.... by rgmoore · · Score: 3, Interesting
      The article made numerous references to an almost heroic face-egging of the elite pork-barrelists in their ivory towers, but why? Kind of funny how the transit authority agreed with him...kind of cheapens the whole thing. Maybe they understand it.

      The egg in the face aspect comes from the fact that nobody noticed the fact that the sign had been added. You'd think that the people in charge of the signs would notice that there was an addition that hadn't been authorized. Instead, Caltrans is apparently a big enough beaurocracy that nobody noticed the change, or if they did they assumed that somebody else had authorized it. Of course part of that is simply that he was right; there should have been a sign there all along, so people who saw it tended to view it as the bozos getting their act together rather than an obvious hack.

      Does the fact that he was very careful in making this sign make it art?

      It seemed to work for Andy Warhol with the soup cans and other copies of ordinary household products. It may not be super-duper, ivory tower elite art, but it qualifies as art. FWIW, I've seen some of the guy's other artwork- the artists' colony where he lives has periodic open houses where anyone can come in and see the work of artists who want to show it off- and he does some interesting stuff. It isn't brilliant, but he's certainly a very competent artist.

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    5. Re:I don't get it.... by crazyprogrammer · · Score: 1

      Can I lovingly craft a standard school issue room number placard and label an unlabled room in the name of art?

      I did something like that this year. But I used a post-it note. The room that I was in is a small room with a couple of computers that I use to update the school's website. The room next to me is the librarian's office and it is number 23, so I took a post-it note, wrote 23 1/4 on it and stuck it above the door(I used 23 1/4 becuase the room is about 1/4th the size of a classroom). It's been there for about two weeks and students see it everyday(although none of them really care).





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    6. Re:I don't get it.... by gilroy · · Score: 1, Troll
      Blockquoth the poster:

      You'd think that the people in charge of the signs would notice that there was an addition that hadn't been authorized.

      Yes, because certainly everyone in CalTrans in charge of signage undoubtedly passes by that exact stretch of road every day... I don't this even counts as clever unless he can document that the sign had been seen by anyone competent to have ordered a change. Reading the article I didn't get any sense that this was some long, drawn-out crusade to get a sign put up, where "the Man" dragged his feet and stuck it to the little guy. No faceless bureaucrat decreeing, "No, you shall always be confused that that interchange, for Policy has made it so".


      The guy saw something that CalTrans hadn't noticed or hadn't gotten around to. He took it on himself to fix the problem as he saw it. Kudos for the initiative... but it ain't art.

    7. Re:I don't get it.... by Libor+Vanek · · Score: 1

      I agree BUT please - call this voluntary work, comunity service or anything BUT do NOT call it ART! Please!

    8. Re:I don't get it.... by ipfwadm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You'd think that the people in charge of the signs would notice that there was an addition that hadn't been authorized. Instead, Caltrans is apparently a big enough beaurocracy that nobody noticed the change, or if they did they assumed that somebody else had authorized it.

      How many signs do you think there are on the freeways in the Los Angeles area? Even assuming that there is only a single person in Caltrans that all sign requests go to, what are the chances that he drives that particular route frequently enough to notice a difference? And if he does drive the route that frequently, he probably wouldn't even notice, since I'm sure most people have their route memorized and don't even look at the signs anymore. And if he's just randomly tooling around LA when he sees the sign, unless he's Rain Man, there's little chance that he has EVERY sign memorized and therefore wouldn't notice. The people that might notice are the blue-collar guys that are out driving the highways every day, and they are very justified in assuming that someone else made the change. I agree with the original poster, I don't see how this is art. Funny and useful, yes. But art? I don't see it.

    9. Re:I don't get it.... by haystor · · Score: 1

      Another compelling statement was made this week when I took out the trash. Authorities responsible said only, "I guess I didn't notice that it needed to be taken out."

      While it may be a cool hack, I'd have to say its a bit short of "art".

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    10. Re:I don't get it.... by espo812 · · Score: 1
      the responsible authorities were too clueless to fix it, so he fixed it for them.
      From the article:
      He thought about complaining to Caltrans. But he figured his suggestion would get lost in the huge state bureaucracy. Instead, Ankrom decided to take matters into his own hands by adding a simple "North 5" to an existing sign.
      So the responsible authorties may not have been aware of their mistake. The least this guy could have done is report it. After exhausting legal means to fix it, then maybe I can understand what he did.

      I'm still failing to see why this is so arty. I mean, he took published specifications and implemented them. Any high-way sign company/contractor does the same thing. He just took his own money and own time and did it without compensation.
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    11. Re:I don't get it.... by jerryasher · · Score: 2

      And consider that we are seeing this in hindsight, in which he successfully installed the mod and eluded detection. CalTrans seems to approve.

      Imagine if he had been caught, say 3/4's the way through. Would the the highway patrol have recognized his excellent implementation and allowed him to proceed? Would CalTrans still give him a grudging if reluctant approval? Or would they have trashed his materials and thrown him in jail or fined him?

      It's not sufficient for members of society to have a more constructive attitude, it's also necessary to have institutions that can appreciate that attitude, and even have a sense of humor.

      I think that's part of the statement of this hack.

    12. Re:I don't get it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great post. One of the best I've seen yet on slashdot.

    13. Re:I don't get it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "The egg in the face aspect comes from the fact that nobody noticed the fact that the sign had been added."

      The signage on California freeways is probably the worst of the 50 states (except maybe MA). Major interchanges (such as the one in the article) are often barely marked. Normal lanes become Exit Only with 1/4 mile warning. Every sign looks like it was recycled from some other state and has several 'patches' on it. People refer to the freeways by name, but the names aren't on the signs. There's obviously nobody in charge.

    14. Re:I don't get it.... by Bipoha · · Score: 1
      "Does the fact that he was very careful in making this sign make it art?"

      No, it makes it good craftsmanship.

      "Can I lovingly craft a standard school issue room number placard and label an unlabled room in the name of art?"

      Yes. When something is created, for the purpose of delivering a message, it can be considered art.

      I'm sure whoever sketched the first design of the infamous green signs than linger above our interstates considered himself an artist, and his work "art."

    15. Re:I don't get it.... by brucet · · Score: 1

      I agree. It's funny, but I don't find it to be particularly compelling art.

      Related but more interesting is this One Tree mural in San Francisco.

      -Bruce

    16. Re:I don't get it.... by Tony-A · · Score: 2

      To communicate "If you want North 5 you need to be here" on a high speed expressway IS art. Not arty. Art.

    17. Re:I don't get it.... by Mika_Lindman · · Score: 1

      "People would automatically pick up trash, report suspicious behavior, finger dishonest colleagues or employers, and generally apply millions of little improvements to the status quo." I'd be thrilled if someone was here at the office to point out all my mistakes.

    18. Re:I don't get it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OK then, it should be "if someone were here at the office"

    19. Re:I don't get it.... by peddrenth · · Score: 1

      There was a similar story in Alaska, quite famous:
      Bascially, the townspeople had been waiting forever for the council to take their thumbs out and build a bypass for the town.

      Being alaskans, many people had earthmoving machinery in their driveways, and most of the people there were well familiar with construction work.

      One dark night, a new road just mysteriously appeared outside the town. It seems they got fedup with waiting for the beaurocrats.

    20. Re:I don't get it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bad most people are too selfish/alienated/cynical to care.

      Frankly I'm tired of an ignorant public telling me they are better than me (not that I am better than them either). They are more than welcome to roll around in their own sh*t when it applies. Can't geeks build their own city, or woudl that just lead to emacs vs vi editor wars?

    21. Re:I don't get it.... by armb · · Score: 2

      > Can I lovingly craft a standard school issue room number placard and label an unlabled room in the name of art?

      Yes, if you feel you're making an artistic statement by doing so. There really doesn't seem to be any better explanation of what makes something art that the person doing it wants it to be art.
      That's why a soup can isn't art, but Warhol's copy of a soup can is. That's why Duchamp's "Fountain" (a urinal) is art.

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    22. Re:I don't get it.... by lazarus · · Score: 1

      If everyone had a constructive attitude like that, think what a society we'd have.

      One which I would try to get myself away from as fast as possible.

      A "local" fellow attempted the same sort of thing where I live, but didn't have the same number of brain cells as this fellow seems to have been born with. We'll call him Joe.

      Joe decided that the passing markers on the highway near his home town were not quite right -- in fact they were downright unsafe (in his expert opinion). So Joe headed over to his local hardware store and bought himself some yellow paint. Yep, Joe was going to modify the yellow lines on the highway...

      On a dark and stormy night (yes, it was raining) Joe drove his pickup out to the highway in the early hours of the morning (so as there would be no traffic you understand), got out his brush and his fresh yellow paint and modified the yellow lines to indicate that it was, in fact, not safe to pass at that spot.

      Then Joe got back into his pickup and drove home. When he got there he immediately picked up the phone, called the police and confessed to his crime. The idea, I suppose was to call attention to the unsafe passing markers, and possibly embarass the local traffic authority (sound familiar?) The police, fearing that a nutcase had seriously fscked up a major highway sped off to the scene of the crime. Fortunately for the population at large, Joe had used a water-based paint, and all the poice found was runny yellow paint rapidly being washed off the road...

      Joe, I believe the poice finally concluded, was too stupid to charge with anything. The roadway has not been changed, and Joe never managed to get his antics published anywhere that would get noticed.

      I don't *want* Joe making decisions on matters of public safety. Joe is not qualified.

      Q.E.D.

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    23. Re:I don't get it.... by CProgrammer98 · · Score: 1
      dude, go fix the glaring typo on your website


      "Interesting, informative, and humorous conent. "


      I think that should be "content"

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    24. Re:I don't get it.... by punchdrunk · · Score: 1
      It seemed to work for Andy Warhol with the soup cans and other copies of ordinary household products. It may not be super-duper, ivory tower elite art, but it qualifies as art.
      Yes, but Andy didn't paint and exact replica of a soup can on a soup can label, affix it to the can of soup, and stick in a supermarket. The fact that he chose to use that subject in a painting is in itself a statement. Painting a purely functional sign to existing specs isn't the same thing.
    25. Re:I don't get it.... by iabervon · · Score: 2

      The transit authority isn't supposed to follow what random drivers think; random drivers are supposed to follow what the transit authority thinks. The face-egging is that this guy came up with a sign that was right, and the transit authority didn't.

      What makes it art is that it appears to be a normal sign, but it is not what it appears to be. Art is when you dupe the viewer into believing that there is actually something there that isn't, whether they see a slightly-smiling woman where that is paint on canvas, an impossibly twisted world where there is ink on paper, a huge building where there is a small one (or the reverse), a sweeping landscape where there is light on a screen, a pipe where there is a line drawing, or an official CalTrans sign where there is a homemade version.

      If your placard makes students think they are walking past Room 4-001, when, in fact, they're walking past a random bathroom, you have made people think something they would not have otherwise thought, which is the point of art.

    26. Re:I don't get it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He did something that the transit authority should have. He fixed a sign.
      That in itself isnt compelling, or amazing. He fixed what should have been fixed by someone else. That's just great.
      A good neighborly attitude is great and all, but doesnt make you Michaelangelo. Otherwise Ned Flanders would be the next Dali

    27. Re:I don't get it.... by sharkey · · Score: 2

      finger...colleagues or employers

      That sounds like a bad idea. Seems like begging for a harrassment suit to me.

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    28. Re:I don't get it.... by Danse · · Score: 1

      I think you just illustrated his point.

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    29. Re:I don't get it.... by shadow303 · · Score: 1

      Ahhh.... that makes sense, hense the term con-*artist* ;)

      Personally, I don't agree with you on what constitutes art, but since I can't provide a clear definition of what art is, I won't argue too much. Perhaps that is the problem, people don't have a clear definition of what constitutes art, so people start calling things in the gray area art. Eventually, they stretch the word so much, that the word becomes fairly meaningless. Don't even get me started on "poetry" ;)

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    30. Re:I don't get it.... by crazyprogrammer · · Score: 1

      Well what did you expect from a /. user? Perfect spellling?


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    31. Re:I don't get it.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      report suspicious behavior, finger dishonest colleagues or employers

      Yeah, like in East Germany where the Stasi encouraged people to rat out their friends, neighbors, and relatives? Sure was some constructive society there. Built a wall and everything...

  14. Hey I helped a homeless, blind, gay man ... by Buck2 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    cross the street where there were no chirping crossing indicators.

    My friends videotaped me doing it.

    It's fucking art.

    Since when did volunteerism become art?

    This reminds me of Tad Williams' "involuntary interactive art" in the Otherland series where artists would stage auto accidents and murders.

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    1. Re:Hey I helped a homeless, blind, gay man ... by topham · · Score: 2

      We call that "Drunks on Main Street". Best viewing around 11pm and 2am.

    2. Re:Hey I helped a homeless, blind, gay man ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where is the videotape? Did you set it to any music or stick with ambient sounds? Is it silent? That would be totally cool. I for one would certainly appreciate that as art.

      If you didn't actually do it, then what is your point?

      Volunteerism has little to do with it. It's the process. If you can't appreciate engineering as art and can't relate to any of the thoughts that might've gone through the guy's head as he studied the patina on aluminum roadway signs then you're a fucking trogolodyte. Nuke you! Nuke you to hell! Just kidding. I love you, man, and I want you to appreciate art in all its forms.

    3. Re:Hey I helped a homeless, blind, gay man ... by Buck2 · · Score: 1

      My friends were just videotaping. I don't know if it's still intact. The point was that I was just doing something nice, as he was, and it was also videotaped, as he was.

      I _am_ engineer. Although I'm not a civil engineer, I can see someone making a mistake where it's not critical.

      I am not amused by this guy calling this art. It's simply someone pointing out an error and then going one extra step to fix it.

      Is building homes in Mexico art? Is handing out food to needy people art? These are all contributions to the world that could be "oversights" by the government. Millions of people do these things and don't ask for recognition.

      It's just tiresome that there are people like this that expect something for nothing. And even if he only wants recognition, I'd give more recognition to some of the beautiful graffiti murals I see on my morning LA commute everyday before I gave it to this guy.

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    4. Re:Hey I helped a homeless, blind, gay man ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your opinion really matters to me, honest.

    5. Re:Hey I helped a homeless, blind, gay man ... by identity0 · · Score: 1

      I think a large part of the problem with the "Is it art or not" discussion is that we have been conditioned by everyone from hippie performance artists to critics of said hippies that art cannot be useful. I think this assumption is wrong - some of the coolest "classical" art is in the form of Roman bridges and canals, which have both an aesthetic and functional elegance. Obviously, this guy's feat is nowhere near that - but he didn't claim it was, either.

      You sound like you're upset with this guy because you think he's some kind of asshole grabbing underserved attention. I don't think so - what he did is pretty funny, and I would've talked about this kind of stuff if I'd done it. Man, lighten up.

      As for building homes in Mexico or feeding the homeless, yes that can be art, it's just that others will not find it as funny as this story.

  15. That's a neat stunt... by shaldannon · · Score: 4, Funny

    What I want to see him do next is come re-stripe North Carolina's highways. For those who don't know it, NC has this rather odd policy of redirecting the right lane off onto *almost* every exit and adding a new lane somewhere else to compensate. It's really stupid, for a few reasons. First off is that if you were cruising along in the slow lane and didn't want to exit, guess what...you get to go anyway, unless you want to be a traffic hazzard. Second, is the inconsistency. If every lane went off, maybe you'd get used to it, screwy as it is. Last, about every place I've ever been hashes off the exit lane, so it's obvious that it's going away.

    Then again, I'm sure something is really wacked at NCDOT. Else how do you explain the fact that the 440 beltway around Raleigh intersects with itself . Someone at NCDOT has a good supplier of (1) moonshine or (2) crack.

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    1. Re:That's a neat stunt... by linuxbert · · Score: 4, Funny

      you said it goes around raleigh... apparently all the way around.. is it really that odd that a circle meets up with its self?

      you want to see screwwy highways, go to Montreal Canada. built in the 60's 3 lanes each direction, through town, elevated and no sholders. oh and very short on ramps and off ramps, leading to or from the slow lane, or fast lane with no consitency at all.

      and for la piece de resistance, all the signs are in french.

    2. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Peyna · · Score: 3, Informative

      That's what the 4 at the beginning of the name means. I.E. Interstate 65 goes through Indianapolis, I 465 goes around Indianapolis in a big circle. They don't always have to form a complete loop, but the 4 means 'by-pass'.

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    3. Re:That's a neat stunt... by LWolenczak · · Score: 2

      That isen't too bad.. well... A guy in a minivan almost clipped me on i-40 in raleigh, because all of a sudden the lane split off....

      Down on business-85 between greensboro, and highpoint, is absolutly insane, the on/off ramps are like... maybe 8 feet long... and the speed on the road is 55, so people do 80 on it.

      If memory serves, in charlotte, they just say 77 north, when its really the exit for 77 north and south..

      I just hope they finish i-40 in greensboro some day... they have been working on it for years...

    4. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Froze · · Score: 1

      I live here. The beltline doesn't just meet up with itself, ala "circle", it actually crosses itself.

      Screwed me up bigtime when I first moved here, I ended up half way to Durham before I realized that I had some how got off the beltline with out ever exiting.

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    5. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Gulthek · · Score: 2

      No no no, he needs to go to Charlotte, NC and completely rename at least four of the streets. In Charlotte there is one intersection at which 5 streets intersect...and they are all named "Queen". The types of roads are different of course (e.g. Queen Street, Queen Road, Queen Court) but still, can you imagine giving (or following) directions through that oddity?

    6. Re:That's a neat stunt... by egburr · · Score: 2

      Y^eah, I was just out there last week. That drove me crazy, always having to shift over a lane because the lane I was in turned into a right turn only lane with NO warning, not even a sign on the side saying "Right lane must turn right". All the warning you get are a bunch of arrows painted on the street just before the turn; the only way you can see those from any distance is if nobody is in front of you. It wasn't long before I just started avoiding the right lane altogether. The speeders had to pass me on the right, but I was no longer swerving left every time the right lane wanted to turn without reasonable warning.

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    7. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Tycho · · Score: 1

      It sounds like NCDOT suffers from the same problem that Minnesota's DOT (MNDOT) suffers from. There is a section of freeway in Minneapolis where you have state highway 62 and I-35W share about a mile worth of freeway. Highway 62 is an east/west highway and I-35W is officially a north-south running highway, not that it does a very good job of this in all sections. Going northbound to this horrifying section of pavement, I-35W goes pretty much straight north until it curves rather abruptly to the east where you enter the commons area. Then highway 62 joins up and you enter the I-35W/62 commons area and you start going east for about a mile before I-35W splits off and it decides to go north again. I would imagine this occurred since any four given townships will not meet a point. Instead two meet in the middle of the border of a third. At any rate before entering this monument of bad planning I-35W goes from three lanes each direction to two lanes each direction. Thats not the worst of it though, Highway 62 goes from two lanes each direction down to one lane before entering the commons area. The actual commons section is three lanes each direction and after separating, each highway returns to its original number of lanes.
      The most joy that is to be had before and during and after that section of highway is by starting out about five miles west of the I-35W/62 commons area, driving westbound on 62 where 62 merges into US-212 and becomes 62. This is very bad as US-212 handles about the half traffic of 62. As you continue on west you move into the left lane because the signs say that it is the way to continue on highway 62. Now at this point 62 is two lanes. Then a MNDOT paint crew put down a double white line before the commons area and posts two signs. IIRC one sign is "Right lane Lyndale Ave. exit only" and the second is and I'm serious "Do not cross double white line." Now I'm serious when I say that there are many people who cannot comprehend this, cross the white lines, and slow traffic down. These people cause traffic to become stop and go on westbound 62 reaching back three or four miles. The jam then merges with the US-212/62 jam to become a horrifying mess. This happens every day. This section of highway is one of the worst in the nation. Now the politicians in Minnesota have tried to allocate funds to fix this section of highway, but until the last plan which appears to have been shelved, none of the plans seemed to address the problem that even when separated from I-35W, 62 still needs two lanes.
      This is maybe more than you needed to know. At any rate don't get me to describe in detail the I-94 east exit from I-394 eastbound which goes into downtown Minneapolis. The exit has only one lane for an exit ramp that is shared with another exit for about 500 feet and divided only by another magical double white line. Where almost all of the traffic of a reasonably busy I-394 east funnels onto I-94 east. Where at night the I-394 eastbound traffic can have a longer back up that takes more time to clear up than the back up of the westbound traffic out of downtown.

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    8. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I-40 through Greensboro is HORRIBLE. I have to go on it sometimes. I just love the two-lane part with the concrete barries two inches from either side. Its even better at night in the rain, because there are no reflectors and several shifts. I usually just stay in the right lane and pray no one comes around on my left.

    9. Re:That's a neat stunt... by awol · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry but the pinnacle of screwy highways is Canberra in Australia. It is the nation's capital, a designed city, and engineered for a population of a million where only 100,000 public servants live. Due to an amazing configuration of highways, round abouts and ring roads it is the only place in the world where you can know exactly where you are and still be completely lost, with no idea of how to get where you want to go.

      Screwy

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    10. Re:That's a neat stunt... by liquidsin · · Score: 2

      Thank god. I thought *I* was the only one who hated that system. I was in Montreal last summer and I got lost every single damn day. Wonderful city, amazing food, beautiful architecture, but the highway system was hell. Traffic moving along at 120 km does not bode well for those trying to hit a 7m ramp.

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    11. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Just make sure you don't try to take I-95 up to New York, or soon after entering NJ you'll find yourself on I-295 SOUTH.


      - And people in NJ wonder why we in PA think they're screwy...

    12. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Stavr0 · · Score: 2
      3 lanes each direction

      Ha, we should be so lucky. In the worst part it's TWO lanes, swerving left and right, and ramps on BOTH sides.

      The Metropolitan highway (A.40) was meant as a temporary measure until a better highway was built. Still waiting ...

      And for those of you flying in/out of Montreal, they're phasing out all passenger flights to Mirabel Airport (YMX) and diverting them to Dorval(YUL) so you will all have to go thru the dreaded 40/15 interchange to get downtown. Good luck.

    13. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Misch · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'll tack this on: Guide to understanding Interstate numbering

      US Interstate numbers are 2 or 3 digits long.
      Each digit has a specific meaning.

      The third digit (ones) denotes direction. Even numbered interstates, (Example: 90, 86, etc) run east-west. Odd numbered interstates (Example: 95, 87) run north-south.

      The second digit (tens) denotes where in the country it is located. Interstates are numbered South-North, and West-East. This being said, I-90 and I-87 run through NY. I-5 and I-10 run through California.

      The first digit (hundreds) is a special extension for cities. Even digits are "bypass", and odd digits are "to". Examples: In Rochester, NY, I-390 runs from I-90 to the city, and I-490 runs around the city. In Buffalo, I-190 runs into the city, and 290 runs past the city.

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    14. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Zerth · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they should change them to May, Taylor, Deacon, and Mercury. That'd be at least a pun or something.

    15. Re:That's a neat stunt... by J.A.+Lizzi · · Score: 1

      Trust me; all NJ folk realize that NJDOT is run by a bunch of people smoking pot. How else can you explain where 440 South becomes 287 North, even though, at the the time, the road is running *EAST-WEST*???

      Of course, that's also near the "Spaghetti Intersection" where 287/440, 1, 9, the TurnPike, the Garden State Parkway, and probably a couple of other minor roads all meet. Take a look at it on a map sometime if you want to know where the name comes from....

    16. Re:That's a neat stunt... by e4 · · Score: 4, Informative
      A little more trivia to add to this:

      Two-digit interstate numbers ending in zero (theoretically) traverse the country from east coast to west coast, and those ending in five (theoretically) traverse the country from the northern border to the southern border. They don't all make it the whole way, but that was the original intent. The tens digit increases from west to east and south to north.

      So, I-5 runs up the West Coast and I-95 runs up the East coast. I-10 runs along the southern border and I-90 runs along the northern border. Give or take...

    17. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the more efficient way is to avoid the Hwy 40 and get to the Hwy 20 via that fairly effective but wierd roundabout in Dorval (the town). Head towards "the lake", which is a river, but I digress.

      At least in roundabouts you can go around 'til you figure out what the signs are trying to indicate.

      Oh, and about merging in Montreal, speed is essential, floor it and be confident. Hesitation will get you run over from behind and confuse people on the highway who are expecting you to muscle in.

      For added points do this in a major snowstorm.

    18. Re:That's a neat stunt... by apt142 · · Score: 0

      FYI, that's not just raliegh either.... Charlotte is one big cluster fuck too.

    19. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think Montreal's highway is complex, you should NEVER go in PARIS !!!

    20. Re:That's a neat stunt... by MobiusKlein · · Score: 1

      Well, except that the whole hundreds digit rule breaks down completely in the SF Bay Area. 280 is not a bypass - and never actually intersects 80. 880 intersects 80, and 280, but the long way around. It was renamed to 880 to get Federal Funding.

      580 is a To, I suppose, but 980 is a bypass. (Goes from 880 to 580!) Don't ask me to classify what 480 was before it was removed, or 680 either, and I think 780 is around somewhere, and 380 sits pretty at 1 mile long.

      See the excellent interstate site
      http://www.kurumi.com/roads/3di/3di-table.html

    21. Re:That's a neat stunt... by sulli · · Score: 2

      Except for Interstate 238, which is an abomination before God and man.

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    22. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Low2237 · · Score: 1

      In Rochester, NY, I-390 runs from I-90 to the city, and I-490 runs around the city.

      Um, no. :-) I-390 runs from I-90, north through the west side of the city, then north to Lake Ontario. (Actually, it's been extended south of I-90, all the way to NY 17 - now I-86.) I-490 runs east-west through downtown, and both of its ends are at I-90, southwest and southeast of the city. I'm from there, I should know. :-)

      Tf the tens digit is odd, the highway goes into the city. If the tens digit is even, it goes around or through the city.

    23. Re:That's a neat stunt... by mrsmalkav · · Score: 1

      Don't forget....

      In the East Bay: 580W and 80E are the exact same stretch of freeway for a bit and at that time run North/South.

      All them direction thingies are jacked in the Bay Area.

    24. Re:That's a neat stunt... by harryk · · Score: 1

      That's what the 4 at the beginning of the name means. I.E. Interstate 65 goes through Indianapolis, I 465 goes around Indianapolis in a big circle. They don't always have to form a complete loop, but the 4 means 'by-pass'. actually thats not entirely accurate. The 4 is irrelevant. An 'even' number designates that it goes around (or bypasses) the city, where as an odd number (ie I-110) is still an interstate, however it comes to a dead end. harryk

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    25. Re:That's a neat stunt... by DunbarTheInept · · Score: 2

      The tens digit has nothing to do with spurs versus bypasses or throughways. I think you meant to say the *hundreds* digit.

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    26. Re:That's a neat stunt... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      INAA (I'm Not An American) but when I was in Montana it was a neat observation that the exit numbers from the interstate were an indication of the number of miles from the southern tip of the state. As long as you can do arithmetic it makes it easy to figure out how long until you need to take a turn-off.

      I don't know if all states are like that .. but it's cool when you see someone smart has designed part of the public infrastructure.

    27. Re:That's a neat stunt... by dtdns · · Score: 1

      Not all states are like that, unfortunately. I live in Florida, where the exits on I-75 are numbered in order, starting at 1, from south to north. FLDOT is currently changing the numbering to the mile marker of the exit, which is nice, I support. Exit 38, near where I live, will be changing to 207 or something like that.

    28. Re:That's a neat stunt... by dtdns · · Score: 1

      Aha! So THAT's why the 110 in CA, 375 in Tampa, FL and 575 in Miami, FL are still called "interstates" even though they cover very short distances within the state and don't really go anywhere. I always wondered about that.

  16. Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by reaper20 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Troy, Michigan:

    I75 - Exit 69 - Big Beaver Road.

    Everytime I take that exit I think that SOMEONE in the DOT was pulling a similar stunt.

    1. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Is that near Climax, MI? I had to exit there just so I could so I got off at Climax. Ah. It's on whichever interstate runs E/W across the southern portion of the state.

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    2. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're ever in Austin, be sure to avoid Sprinkle Cut-off Road!

    3. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by jon787 · · Score: 1

      I think it is closer to Hell, MI

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    4. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by heliocentric · · Score: 3, Funny

      From where I'm at right now in PA, I'd have to go through Intercourse to get to Paradise.

      I am however sad that in Reading the Road To Nowhere is now the POW MIA Highway, then again, now it does go someplace so I guess a new name was needed.

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    5. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by jfmiller · · Score: 1

      If you think that is a joke then I would also point you to Brown Material Road. This is the actual name of a road leading north from California's Highway 46 about 5 miles east of Cholame. (for thouse of you who are history buffs this is the where James Dean was killed). The road leads off through a cow pasture to some oil fields.

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    6. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by RealisticWeb.com · · Score: 1

      In Kentucky where I live another name for a creek is a "lick". Red lick and Paint lick arn't so bad, but the one that takes the cake is "Big Bone Lick". I swear I'm not making this up. They even have a state park! Check it out at mapquest if you don't beleive me!

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    7. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The ultimate sign is one on I-43 near the south of Wisconsin, where the park service proudly announces the proximity of "Bong Recreation Area" on a sign at least ten feet wide.

      Of course, there is the sign on the way to the Upper Penisula of Michigan, near Houghton-Hancock:

      End Of The Earth 2
      Houghton 4

    8. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yup, everytime I go into kentucky (live in cincy) i see this sign and just laugh. I've considered taking a few pictures of it before.

    9. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a couple of miles east of there, in Sterling Heights, is the intersection of Big Beaver and Mound.

    10. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Atlanta, Georgia

      I-85 N in Gwinnett county - Beaver Ruin Road

    11. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Peyna · · Score: 2

      It'd be even better if the truck I was behind yesterday that said "Eager Beaver" something (lawncare maybe?) was driving on that road.

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    12. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by mcdade · · Score: 2

      And you know that further up the I75 at Exit 168 is Little Beaver road, I guess MDOT couldn't figure a way to make the highway an extra mile to get this as a '69' exit... but they were close.

      -b

    13. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by e4 · · Score: 2
      Reminds me of a bad Ohio joke:

      You know what's halfway between Dayton and Marion?

      Engagement...

    14. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by InOverMyFeet · · Score: 1

      Used to live in MI. Got a kick out of that sign everytime my wife and I went to the Sommerset Collection. Very funny!

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    15. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I-75N north of Lexington, KY:

      Exit 179 - Big Bone Lick State Park

    16. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by freakinPsycho · · Score: 2

      In Rohnert Park (or Cotati, I don't remember which) is No Name St. It's about 20 feet long and it just joins two other roads.

      It's also about the most well protected sign I've ever seen. Cops roll by there very often, for good reasons.

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    17. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by iabervon · · Score: 2

      So the Road To Nowhere is now the Highway Missing In Action? If someone finds it, they should put up a sign...

    18. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by sulli · · Score: 1

      I haven't been to Climax (MI) but IIRC their high school football team is called the Trojans.

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    19. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Technician · · Score: 3, Funny
      I84 near Gresham Oregon

      Boring
      Oregon City

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    20. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by azadrozny · · Score: 1

      A little to the North of Paradise is Blue Ball. Lets keep in mind that all of these are located in Lancaster, PA, the heart of conserative Amish country.

    21. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by M-G · · Score: 1

      That's OK...we've got a local steel company called "Big Boy's Steel Erection". Given the fact that it's ironworkers, I'm sure the name was chosen for the other possible meanings...

    22. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by M-G · · Score: 1

      Missouri has a small town called "Knob Lick". Their signs go missing quite a bit....

    23. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Peyna · · Score: 2

      You really need to get a picture of one of their signs..

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    24. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by foyle · · Score: 1

      And if you were a little to the west, you'd have to drive through Bird-In-Hand (I'm not making this up) to get to Intercourse.

      Dirty minded Amish.

    25. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by M-G · · Score: 1

      Well, this page doesn't have theirs, but does have some good alternatives:

      http://www.thecommonspace.org/2001/10/eye.php

      Another page mentions that they were doing construction work across the street from a gay bar...

      And their office is on "Missouri Bottom Rd"

      And if you're not convinced that the company exists, look at this Google cache of the Missouri Chamber of Commerce page:

      http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:ewOrB9JxoDE C: www.mochamber.org/board.htm

    26. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Sign on freeway in Oakland says simply:


      A Street


      Downtown


      Which always makes me ask, "Yeah, I know it's a street downtown... but _which_ street?"

    27. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thus you should never go to Climax with a Trojan. Good advice =]

    28. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I-94, ~5-10 miles north of the Illinois-Wisconsin border:

      there's an exit for "Bong State Park and Recreational Area".

    29. Re:Official Signs that you'd think would be jokes. by alumshubby · · Score: 2

      If I remember Pennsylvania Amish country geography, you also go either through or damn near Blue Balls as well.

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  17. Non-Windows Real Player download link by Combuchan · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The link for the real player download for non-Windows systems is quite well hidden on real.com

    http://forms.real.com/real/player/blackjack.html

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    1. Re:Non-Windows Real Player download link by Combuchan · · Score: 2

      Erm, the aforementioned form is broken, says the latest irix version is 5.0 when I have 8 installed.

      http://forms.real.com/real/player/unix/unix.html

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  18. DMCA by Guido69 · · Score: 1

    Damn good thing it was a regular painted sign and not a digital highway signboard. DMCA would had his ass fo'sure.

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  19. Probably not... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We also have I69 running through MI, up by Flint I think...

    I can assure that from my time with MDOT, no one in charge there has a sense of humor.

  20. Caltrans strikes again by adam613 · · Score: 2

    What else do you expect from the state that brought us Interstate 238?

    1. Re:Caltrans strikes again by mgooderum · · Score: 1

      For travesties in interstate naming in the Bay Area I-980 is just as bad - would it have been that bad to call it CA-24 for another mile and a half.

  21. California highway signs really suck by Andy+Tai · · Score: 2, Offtopic
    California has a good highway system but the highway signage really suck. Errors, omissions, inconsistency and signs too small are common problems. For example, in the interchange of Freeway Interstate Five (Golden State Freeway) with Fourth Street right outside downtown Los Angeles, two signs show the direction to Los Angeles in opposite directions, and neither is right. (It goes like this:

    If you drive on 4th Street from east of Freeway 5, driving westwards toward the freeway interchange, you first see (two arrows, one points up, the other points right):

    ^

    || Santa Ana

    I-5

    Los Angeles =>

    where "Los Angeles" points to the entrance of North I-5 on the right hand side. And then after you pass that entrance continuing on 4th Street, crossing under the freeway bridge, you see the sign for the second entrance to South I-5 on the left hand side (the arrow points left):

    /

    = Los Angeles

    \

    SOUTH I-5

    So there are two signs, pointing in opposite directions and contradicting each other, all showing the way to Los Angeles! But neither is right, because the way to Los Angeles is to go straight on 4th Street. From there you don't need to enter the freeway to go to Los Angeles downtown.) The error has been there for at least three years and no one is fixing it. No doubt people take matter into their own hands.

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    1. Re:California highway signs really suck by f00zbll · · Score: 1
      Ok, as much as I would like to agree with you, signs in other states are worse. Take for example signs in the Northeastern states. Not only are there fewer signs, but the signs are usually poorly designed. I used to bitch about the poor signs on the 5 interchange near down town LA, but after you see the signs in NY and MA you'll think twice. Signs in MA are purposely small, use bad color schemes and typically non-existent. Rather than cut down a tree to make signs easier to read, the mentality is "only people who live here should be here; tree stays, and remove the sign."

      To make it worse, there are fewer street lights which use fewer watts. It's great for using less energy, but terrible if you're trying to find your way on weird winding streets at night. Atleast in CA the streets are grid-like. In the beautiful Northeast, streets are at weird messed up angles and they don't make any sense. That's what you get when streets are made where cows walked. Talk about a dumb idea. Even better, try decifering signs on a roundabout. Talk about an idea that should have been left with the horse and buggy.

    2. Re:California highway signs really suck by Zebbers · · Score: 1

      cant get theah from heah

    3. Re:California highway signs really suck by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1



      What are you talking about? Roundabouts are awesome. Mind you the only roundabout I have personally driven on was when I visited the MichSU campus. I did take many a rides on them in cabs in London though. I think they are ingenious because they keep the traffic constantly flowing, and if someone is lost, they can just keep on going until they figure out where they need to go. And they can handle all varying levels of traffic just as long as they are designed correctly, that's how come large cities in Europe use them quite often and successfully.

    4. Re:California highway signs really suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderators, THIS IS NOT OFF TOPIC. The article is about an artist MAKING STREET SIGNS IN LA and this is a RESPONSE ABOUT STREET SIGNS IN LA. Get a clue please.

    5. Re:California highway signs really suck by sxpert · · Score: 2

      now, somebody will have to explain me the use of traffic lights on roundabouts (like on every entrance and before every exit on the loop)

    6. Re:California highway signs really suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's one thing good I can say about New Jersey. Sure, the traffic conventions (many more jughandles than anywhere else) can be a bit confusing, and certainly there are more vehicles around not complying with clean air standards than in other states, but everything is labeled. I've never missed a turn or gone the wrong way because of a confusing or missing sign - when I've backtracked and found my mistake the sign has always been there, usually in large letters right in my face.

      Also, it seems that NJDOT expects people to get lost - marked U turn spots are everywhere.

    7. Re:California highway signs really suck by f00zbll · · Score: 1

      it's only great when some one else is driving, or if there isn't 12 different roads all leading to the round about. I've done loops around round about a few times and boy are they a bad idea. Roundabouts are good for streets, but in the Northeast they are used on highways and freeways. To make it worse, it's a mix of freeway and street traffic. Tell me that's a good idea. The theory of roundabout is feasible, just not how NorthEast states have implemented them. Having good signs would definitely help, but when you're going 40mph round and round can you really see 20 signs accurately?

    8. Re:California highway signs really suck by bleckywelcky · · Score: 1


      I would definitely think that roundabouts for highway traffic are a bad idea unless you have a roundabout that's a mile in diameter or so. The volume of cars and at the speeds they travel on a highway would present a problem for traditional roundabout design. I think the clover-leaf design is much better suited for highway traffic. But for local street traffic, even in heavily populated areas, roundabouts would be great. They keep the traffic moving, eliminating the need for stopping at lights and thereby preventing the problems with people running lights and whatnot. Typically, a roundabout would have 2 or 3 lanes for handling traffic, or perhaps 2 main lanes that are always available and then a 3rd lane that alternates appearing/dissappearing in order to provide a lane for a joining/exiting street. And the joining traffic would just be required to yield to the roundabout traffic. The roundabouts would change diameter for the speed of the interesection, going 40 mph around something with a diameter of a hundred feet or so that is trying to connect several different roads would be a bad experience. It just requires correct planning.

    9. Re:California highway signs really suck by shilly · · Score: 1

      Same as traffic lights elsewhere: an unfortunately necessary measure to regulate traffic flow once volumes become too high. Roundabouts are good with high volumes and multiple exits, but they're not perfect. And they work best when people obey the conventions associated with them (ie move across traffic one lane at a time).

    10. Re:California highway signs really suck by ipfwadm · · Score: 2

      Roundabouts are good for streets, but in the Northeast they are used on highways and freeways.

      The only roundabouts I've ever seen on a highway are on Rt. 128 near Gloucester, Mass and where Cape Cod meets mainland Mass just on the mainland side of the Cape Cod Canal. I'm from upstate NY and drive all over the northeast, and these are the only ones I've ever come across. You make it sound as if every exit on the freeway in the northeast is a roundabout, and that's just not true.

    11. Re:California highway signs really suck by ipfwadm · · Score: 2

      I used to bitch about the poor signs on the 5 interchange near down town LA, but after you see the signs in NY and MA you'll think twice.

      I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about... I drive all over the northeast and I've never had a problem getting around an unfamiliar place simply by following the highway signs. Usually I'll look at a map, memorize which highways I have to take to get to a place, and never look at the map again because I can just follow the signs.

      In the beautiful Northeast, streets are at weird messed up angles and they don't make any sense. That's what you get when streets are made where cows walked. Talk about a dumb idea.

      You're right, it's unfortunate that the colonists and early citizens of America lacked the foresight to design the roads to accomodate a popultion of millions of people, all of whom drive automobiles 10 times faster than their horse-drawn carriages could go. Damn their ignorance.

    12. Re:California highway signs really suck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      Totally. I read about half of it and then looked at how it was moderated and then read the rest of it. After I saw that it was marked as OFFTOPIC, I expected the second half of it to turn into a troll of some kind. But it didn't. And in fact, it turns out that it is totally on topic. Who moderated it down? They need to get spanked in metamod.

  22. I feel SPAMMED for having read this... by Mulletproof · · Score: 0, Troll

    Oh. My. God. How does this crap make it onto Slash? Katz and his Dog book was bad, but at least it had something to do with the internet in a vague, self promoting way. But this... WTF IS THIS SHIT DOING ON SLASH!!?!?? There is no science here. No ground breaking technology. No MS bashing. No Linux promotions. No case mods. Nothing to do with a satillites or planetary alignments. It's about a freeway sign! "A man and his dream to make the freeway safer and more efficient for us all!" Wha--? Maybe it was the use of the word "Hacking". It just sent Micheal into a tizzy and said "this must be good shit". Oh, wait. He used a digital camera to capture his moments of glory... There it is. The missing link... I should have seen it sooner!

    I guess that settles it. No more news from Micheal. And you want us to pay for this!? Oh, that's good....

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    1. Re:I feel SPAMMED for having read this... by mabinogi · · Score: 1

      No...they don't want you to pay for it...

      they want you to pay for having a nice ad free page in which to make pointless rants about a story not interesting you.

      Nobody forces you to read the stories, and slashdot has never, ever been a pure science, technology or even Linux / Unix site.

      Do you make the same complaint when there's an MIT Dome Hack posted?, because this is in exactly the same spirit.

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    2. Re:I feel SPAMMED for having read this... by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

      You kidding? Without this story you would have never made your insightful, facinating, interesting post, and the rest of us would have had to go without.

    3. Re:I feel SPAMMED for having read this... by ZxCv · · Score: 2

      How about the theme of some Joe Shmoe damning the man and just doing it his own way. That seems to be a fairly recurring theme on /.

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    4. Re:I feel SPAMMED for having read this... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      Wow.. You're right. Don't you feel spammed for having read this comment? =p

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    5. Re:I feel SPAMMED for having read this... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      Nobody force me to read the story. Check.
      Slash has never been purely science. Check.
      MIT Dome Hack. Che- er, no, that sucked too.

      You are, of course, right about the first two points, though you have to actually read the story before you find out just how crappy it really is.

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    6. Re:I feel SPAMMED for having read this... by Mulletproof · · Score: 1

      Ok, you got me there. MS will probably buy him out soon anyway.

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  23. Interesting Picture of Hacking The Highways by ltsmash · · Score: 3, Funny

    Here's an interesting picture of "Hacking the Highways".

  24. More of this... by Moorlock · · Score: 5, Interesting
    If you're interested in this sort of thing, I urge you to check out the Culture Jammer's Encyclopedia's Vandalism section.

    The highlights aren't vandalism of the spray paint and broken windows variety, but vandalism of a more artistic or pointed sort that often leaves the target looking better than before.

    The really destructive vandalism, alas, is usually bought and paid-for, and protected by the powers-that-be. One way to reclaim private advertising in public places is to Convert Billboards to Chalkboards. This is one you can do in your spare time - hop to it!

    The folks at Baby Smasher Industries will sell you some amended "instructions for use" stickers that show how restroom baby-changing stations are really meant to be population control devices.

    The folks at Fortean Times have kept their fingers on the pulse of curious vandalism: Authorities in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, were called to the scene to investigate when fifteen trees in a city park were fitted with doorknobs and locks. Residents of a Rio de Janeiro slum painted all of the buildings in their neighborhood a uniform pale green, perhaps to confuse police.

    In 1982, during the USSR-supported anti-Solidarity crackdown by the government in Poland, someone changed all of the signs at the “Stalingrad” metro station in Paris to read, instead, “Gdansk” (the city where the Solidarity movement was founded).

    What would you do, given the inclination?

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    1. Re:More of this... by Malcontent · · Score: 2, Funny

      Pick up a copy of the illuminati trilogy firsth though.

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  25. What is next, re-inventing the wheel? by BingoBoingo · · Score: 1
    Why go through all the effort (measuring, color matching, painting and so on) in creating an exact duplicate of a "I-5" sign?

    There are plenty of "I-5" signs along the side of the highway. They have them every few miles.

    Why not just swipe one of those? It's not like someone would miss it and if they did, they would just replace it.

    After "borrowing" a real sign, he could install that one in a more useful location.

    He could have done this whole operation in an afternoon and been done with it.

    Maybe it isn't art unless the artist "suffers"?

    1. Re:What is next, re-inventing the wheel? by LadyGuardian · · Score: 1

      He couldn't just swipe a sign and then attatch it to the overpass board because stealing/borrowing road signs is a criminal offense. If he did that then they'd have no choice but to punish him in some fashion.

      Besides, then he wouldn't have that nifty video to show to all his artsy friends.

    2. Re:What is next, re-inventing the wheel? by klparrot · · Score: 1

      First, the idea was that this was supposed to be art, not vandalism. If you steal a sign, that's criminal. Technically, so is modifying the overhead sign, but it wasn't destructive. Second, the overhead signage is (I'm pretty sure) larger than the signs on the side of the road. It would look out of proportion. Also, it wouldn't be possible to get the NORTH part of the sign from the roadside signage. Third, it's art because it was so perfectly executed, and because it was a challenge to the artist. Any jerk can steal a sign from the roadside. It takes skill to make your own that will perfectly conform to specs, and install it without anyone even noticing.

    3. Re:What is next, re-inventing the wheel? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Using one of the "roadside" I-5 signs wouldn't work. The "interchange" I-5 signs are noticeably larger, and don't have the reflective dots (it seems they use a more reflective paint instead).

  26. If only the mailbox bomber had by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    done something like this instead.

    1. Re:If only the mailbox bomber had by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know this is offtopic, but has anyone heard that the mail bomber kid wanted to create a smiley-face pattern of bombings on the map?

  27. Here in Arizona by TWX_the_Linux_Zealot · · Score: 1

    "...For those who don't know it, NC has this rather odd policy of redirecting the right lane off onto *almost* every exit and adding a new lane somewhere else to compensate..."

    Here in Arizona, or more specificially Maricopa County (where Phoenix and the rest of the local cities are), the freeways commonly have lanes that exit and reappear. We, though, have big yellow signs over the lanes and different dot patterns for the lanemarkers so in theory it should be pretty damn obvious that the lane is not going to be a part of the freeway for very long, and that if you don't want to be killed trying to cross the gore-lane, merge now.

    The only problem is that it seems that there are a lot of fucking idiots here, and almost no one bothers to notice the yellow sign, changed dot pattern lanemarkers, two and a half foot tall letters, etc, and the traffic generally merges at the last minute, causing wrecks again.

    No offense, but have you checked to see if there are any of these dot pattern changes or signs along your freeways?

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    1. Re:Here in Arizona by ipfwadm · · Score: 2

      No offense, but have you checked to see if there are any of these dot pattern changes or signs along your freeways?

      No offense, but who cares if there are any dot pattern changes or signs along the freeway to indicate this? It's horrible and unsafe road design, for the simple reason that it is not what people expect. On my drive to work on the interstate through Rochester, NY, I would actually have to start in the leftmost of three lanes if I wanted to stay in the same lane for the entire trip, because the two lanes to my right were "exit only" at some point, and were replaced on the left. So I would start in the left-most of 3 and end up in the right-most of 3, without ever changing lanes. This is really stupid. Most people expect to get in a lane and be able to drive in that lane, not have to play musical lanes just to stay on the highway.

    2. Re:Here in Arizona by thogard · · Score: 1

      The Southeastern freaway in Melbourne Australia has some nice features. Some of the exit ramps and acceleration ramps are on the wrong sides. Its almost like the inital contracting on the road was done someplace else where they drive on the right side of the road. Its quite clear its messed up while flying over it.

      Victora likes to have the slow lane exit as well as when three lanes go to two, they always drop the slow lane so it results in lots of people getting on the highway and moving to the middle or 2nd right lane. With the recent "wipe off 5" ads, the average speed on that lane is often less than 80kph on a road that has a 100 limit. The result is clusters of trafic and tailgating is the norm and the wrecks on the road went from normal for a highway to more like a typical high speed city road. Slow down and have fewer accidents. Too bad the stats don't show it works on that road.

      TAC also loves to put exit signs up that say things like "someroad 1 km" but the exit isn't 1 km, the cross road is 1km and there isn't enough time at normal speeds to read the signs and get in the proper lane.

      The left lane is ending signs also are nice big white signs about where the lane ends and not a way before it and they haven't decided to use the international yellow diamond with pictures of the lane ending.

      They still use a white line to mark lanes no matter if they are in the same direction or not but the highways are marked with yellow reflectors as if someone thought about putting a yellow line there sometime in the future. Back in the 1960's the US DOT found out it was a very cheap way to reduce accidents. While it wasn't highly effective, it did save lives and over time the costs are about as to zero as you can get on a goverment project since all they have to do is put yellow paint in the bin.

  28. Gimme a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of us have done things like this. The key is for no one to ever know. This was a good thing until it became public knowledge. Deeds like this are best served cold...and left that way.

  29. Pretty cool, but there's always a but by freeweed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "It needed to be done," he said from his downtown loft. "It's not like it was something that was intentionally wrong."

    While I think what this guy did was very neat, his statement above is exactly the reason WHY there are laws against things like this.

    As much as the average 'Joe' would like to think they can make decisions for the rest of the world, sometimes there are some things that experts know more about. And yes, sometimes bureacracy gets in the way - but just imagine if we allowed your average person on the street to dictate how a tcp/ip stack should be implemented, or what have you.

    "Not intentionally wrong" is all fine and dandy, but there are still thousands of laws on the books (some rightfully so) that will still get you (negligence laws come to mind). You don't have to MEAN to do harm for harm to be done.

    Regardless, pretty cool stunt, and it's good that this sort of thing likely won't be repeated a million times over - I can't count the number of times I've heard "why do they put a stop sign here? there's really no need to stop at all!".

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    1. Re:Pretty cool, but there's always a but by big.ears · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but just imagine if we allowed your average person on the street to dictate how a tcp/ip stack should be implemented, or what have you.

      You have just described open-source software development.

    2. Re:Pretty cool, but there's always a but by bnf · · Score: 1

      Mod it up baby. Mod it up.

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    3. Re:Pretty cool, but there's always a but by lunenburg · · Score: 1

      That's right! Doesn't he know he's just a "consumer"? He shouldn't try to do anything on his own. Now hopefully the bum will go back to eating McDonalds and watching MTV. The bum!

    4. Re:Pretty cool, but there's always a but by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, because open source projects have leaders to decide which changes are accepted.

    5. Re:Pretty cool, but there's always a but by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      Not always... or if they do, the leaders are often defunct and not really managing the project anymore.

      Open Source is great when done right. And shitty when not done so. Funny... the same can be said about non-OSS software development and for most things in general.

    6. Re:Pretty cool, but there's always a but by Tablizer · · Score: 2

      (* As much as the average 'Joe' would like to think they can make decisions for the rest of the world, sometimes there are some things that experts know more about. *)

      If the "official highway people" put up misleading or bad signs, nothing happens to them. At the most they fix it if enough people die over it. (There are plenty of examples of bad sign design floating around.)

      If the average joe screws up with a sign alteration, he/she goes to jail.

      Thus, assuming no malice intent, I think the average joe would probably do a better job, because they have more at stake.

  30. Truth in labeling by ynotds · · Score: 3, Insightful
    The powers-that-be must show they have working teeth.


    I hope you were trying to be sarcastic. That certainly doesn't describe the kind of world I aspire to live in.

    As we have to deal with more and more complexity, one thing that can help is truth in labeling/signage/documentation so we can have justified confidence in things we encounter occasionally without needing to become experts in their every detail.

    I for one do not want to trust "powers-that-be" to get their labeling/signage/documentation right every time to the finest detail ... although I do want to trust them to establish style guides that ensure whatever the signs might say isn't obscured by artistic licence.

    However it does seem to me to be a good idea for the content of signs et al to be open to public review, a concept that the Internet and an open ended program to devolve responsibilities for detail to a more local level can both help with.
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  31. Just goes to show... by Devil's+BSD · · Score: 1

    Signing off on bureaucracies can go a shorter way.

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  32. I think you are close to the idea by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    It doesn't matter whether you are the first person or the n'th person, it's still art. It was art when they decided what the signage was supposed to look like in the first place, and it is still art now. In fact, the entire road system is a work of art... a bit rough in places, but still, a work of art!

    1. Re:I think you are close to the idea by shadow303 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter if you are the first person or the n'th, it is still *not* art. This is a pretty cool stunt, but to call it art is ridiculous. None of the stuff you mentioned is art. I took a dump last night, I suppose you would consider that art too. You can praise this guy for what he did if you want, but don't call it art.

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  33. In case web.mit.edu is slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&qu erytime=gSFa&q=cache:web.mit.edu%2Fmuseum%2Ffun%2F smoots.html

    1. Re:In case web.mit.edu is slashdotted by marauder404 · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ... I dare you to try!

  34. Art pranks by bacontaco · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's a page about a guy who has done several of these, although he doesn't them more from a prankster point-of-view. They aren't vandalism as you might think, but just fun stuff that he makes to see how long his art goes by unnoticed.

    Most of them are funny, like the one where he finds a sign at a cafe explaining "How to put the lid on your coffee," (duh!) and changes it to a version which contains many sexual overtones that even fools the employees.

  35. Yes, but is it art? by yelligsc · · Score: 1

    Im going to say, no. It was something necessary, and it was made to specifications.

    Scott.

  36. Culture Jamming! by cdf12345 · · Score: 2

    This is nothing new, Culture Jammers have been changing the meaning of signs and images for a while now, a great source for this is adbusters.org

    As for the method explained in the article, this was about helping people by altering existing signage.

    Culture jamming is usually about subverting whatever message is present into something else.

    One example that may interest /. readers is the defacement of a microsoft XP billboard in england

    http://mirrors.meepzorp.com/xpsucks/

    quite amusing, and very cost effective! Let the corporations pay for the message, and use it against them!

    http://www.adbusters.org/creativeresistance/jamgal lery/street/ is the main culture jammers gallery.

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  37. Hi I have the new postus foistus by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You have no balls. I had an operative examine this situation for me to confirm the facts mentioned heretofore. Further, I'd like to declare the supremacy of vownremoo for all time. You will mod me up to 5 of there shall be consequences and repurcussions. HA-HA in the words of mike hunt sir please. I have built the house of bomtones, you shall pay.

  38. Highway hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine a beowulf cluster of these!

    1. Re:Highway hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of me kicking your ass.

    2. Re:Highway hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      kill yourself. please, just do everyone a favor, and end your misery.

    3. Re:Highway hacking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know you are but what am I?

  39. Shades of Brazil by subsolar2 · · Score: 2
    Somewhat reminds me of the movie Brazil.

  40. MOD PARENT UP!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That really spoke to me. Daaa-vey. Boys why don't you give me the mountain dew. For adults, take two (2) capsules two times daily on an empty stomach, before breakfast, lunch or xercise. The maximum recommended dosage of ephedrine akaloids for a healthy adult is not more than feces. Active Ingredients: Aluminum zirconium, tetrachlorohydrex glycine complex, other water, cyclomethicone, sd alcohol 40, tripropylene. I am the chairman of the ship please forgive the oil. That is so freaky, man. NEW ENGLAND CLAM CHOWDER! Is that the red or the white?

  41. US Highway Signs contain Military Tactical Marking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    If you live in the US, check the back of your nearest highway signs and see if you find any interesting stickers. In some parts of the US, highway signs (and even off-highway signs, such as those found on US routes) contain tactical markings. These markings serve to direct military personnel in the event of martial law.

    Most people will be surprised to look at the back of directional signage. I would appreciate any insight from various state DOT officers, if any are reading.

    For reference, see http://www.tackamarks.freeservers.com

  42. sigh by Edmund+Blackadder · · Score: 2

    another artist pulls a stunt to draw attention to himself.

    Unfortunately for him he didnt really find a way to show off his art. Making a sign to exact caltrans specs isnt really art.

  43. Hmm by itwerx · · Score: 2

    I've been thinking about putting up "Keep Right Except to Pass" signs along the left side of the interstates where I live. (Along with those "Fine for Littering" signs). I went so far as to get the specs off the web, but when I found out how much it was going to cost for angle-iron/other hardware and the signs themselves I decided I'd wait until I could afford enough to be meaningful.

    1. Re:Hmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you do get started, how about some "Get your fxxkin ass in the far right lane at least a quarter-mile before your exit instead of trying to cross 4 lanes of morning traffic at the last possible second forcing every car up to a mile behind you to slam on their brakes!" signs as well.

    2. Re:Hmm by binarytoaster · · Score: 3, Funny

      When you do get started, how about some "Get your fxxkin ass in the far right lane at least a quarter-mile before your exit instead of trying to cross 4 lanes of morning traffic at the last possible second forcing every car up to a mile behind you to slam on their brakes!" signs as well.

      You'd slow down traffic while they tried to read the damn sign :)

    3. Re:Hmm by jrp2 · · Score: 1

      I've been thinking about putting up "Keep Right Except to Pass" signs

      I share your pet-peeve. But, one of the worst places for this offense is Washington state. Even worse, is if you do find a way around the left-lane turtles they will speed up to prevent you from passing. There are signs and they are ignored. I don't mean little signs, but BIG, GIANT signs that make it VERY clear you must stay right except to pass. I guess some folks up there just can't read. It is very clear the state is aware of the issue, but a sizable group of people just ignore them and crawl along in the left lane. It seems almost intentional.

      --
      The only athletic sport I ever mastered was backgammon - Douglas William Jerrold
    4. Re:Hmm by sxpert · · Score: 2

      in italy they have a

      "60 km/h"
      "no passing"
      "exit only"

      stack of signs on the highways

    5. Re:Hmm by ludey · · Score: 1

      Are you from New Jersey? It's like an artistry over here.

      --
      --------------
      David O.
    6. Re:Hmm by junklight · · Score: 1

      ...and ignore all of them

      driving in italy is not a rule based experience

    7. Re:Hmm by Flarg! · · Score: 1
      We share that problem in Minnesota. It's all a bunch of self-righteous bull ("I have a perfect right to be here, I'm going the speed limit. I don't see any reason to get out of your way so you can speed")

      I used to share that attitude when I was a kid, but I've grown up. I am not law enforcement, and I have no business blocking a lane to try to enforce my idea of the speed limit. These days, I stay to the right unless I'm passing, and then I pass right away (unlike those idiots who "pass" because they are going 1/2 mph faster then the other person). I notice that, now that I don't let what I think my "rights" are interfere with my driving, I am a lot less susceptable to road rage.

      --

      I may be wrong, but I'm never uncertain.

    8. Re:Hmm by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2

      We here in Washington also have a law that says if there are five or more vehicles behind you, you must pull over and let them pass. The law says nothing about speed; you could be going 80 in a 25 zone, but if you're holding up five or more you must pull over and let them pass. The law says nothing about lanes; it applies to eight lane Interstates as much as two lane country roads.

      Least enforced law on the books, by far. If they bothered to enforce it, so-called "road rage" would disappear.

      --
      If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
    9. Re:Hmm by billcopc · · Score: 1

      If you're distracted enough to waste time and concentration counting 5 vehicles behind you, then you shouldn't be driving, period.

      Besides, who can see 5 cars in their rearview mirror unless they're driving a pickup ?

      --
      -Billco, Fnarg.com
    10. Re:Hmm by Rick+the+Red · · Score: 2
      That's the real problem: people so damn self-centered that they don't look in the rearview mirror -- they just don't care who they inconvenience.

      If you can't see that you're holding up traffic, you're either inconsiderate or blind; either way, you shouldn't be allowed to drive. As George Carlin purportedly said, "I think if you are in the passing lane, and not passing, your license should be revoked, and you should be forced to ride the bus until you promise to never delay the rest of us again."

      --
      If all this should have a reason, we would be the last to know.
    11. Re:Hmm by juan2074 · · Score: 1
      You got that right!

      We need to get the Washington State Patrol to enforce laws like this and the other law about delaying five or more vehicles.

      When people actually get ticketed for this crap, maybe the slow drivers will move to the right (where they belong). Maybe that will decrease congestion and even some accidents (am I dreaming?), improving the flow of traffic in the Seattle area especially.

  44. Green Goblin? by Jakyll · · Score: 0

    Is it just me, or does this guy look like a stoned Willem Deffo?

  45. they should press charges... by geekoid · · Score: 2

    Just because someone did something to make a point, or for art doesn't excuse them from the law. Should he get more then a wrist slap? probablt not. But what if I go do it, not as good, but I call it art? does that mean I can tresspass? I highly doubt it. Not to mention the risk to other motorist if he should fall. Risk to him is his to make.
    Lets not forget he did not even attempt an effort to contact caltrans. I mean if it turned into a costly affair or they wouldn't listen and he was protesting the bureaucrasy(mangled that word) that would have a point. I've dealt with caltrans, and it wasn't all that hard to at least get my request heard.

    --
    The Kruger Dunning explains most post on /. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
    1. Re:they should press charges... by wannabe · · Score: 2

      I find it interesting that you have used the word trespass. I am not a lawyer, but in the case of common sense, I am presenting my view of this.

      The ownership of the roads is considered public property. I don't live in California, thank god, but throughout the United States this principle applies. Now, this person moved his truck on public property, or in other words owned by the people of California and put in trust for use by and for the benefit of the people of California, and proceeded to mount his sign, built to regulation, on public property.

      He destroyed nothing, he defaced nothing and he interfered with the private property of noone. Now I could see this person getting a slap on the wrist for not obtaining the appropriate permit before posting his sign, but trespassing I would say, by a sane and resonable man's definition (i.e., common sense), is not an appropriate charge.

      In response to your question, "does that mean I can trespass," in short yes. If your act is for the greater good, I would see no problem with it. This is a concept called personal responsibility, it's not in vogue now but in some places it is. It's one of those things that says that if you see a wrong you right it.

      He fixed a problem, albeit by accepting some risk on to himself. I applaud him. Now if he wanted to come out to my neck of the woods and hang some needed traffic lights we'd be all set.

      My apologies to the original poster, this was not meant as a direct flame to them. I've seen this tresspassing BS on this article so many times I want to scream...and here we are.

      --
      "Draw them in with the prospect of gain, take them by confusion." Sun Tzu
  46. could have been so much better by deft · · Score: 2

    did anyone else read the topic, go to the article, expecting to see what clever, funny, insightful thing he had done, that escaped everyone for so long?

    and when i found out, they treat it like its amazing this went undiscovered, as if cal trans is checking at all to make sure that every sign is exactly the ame every day.

    wow, its like he snuck a car into a parking lot, and then im supposed to be amazed noone thought this was out of the ordinary.

    now, if he had worked "laker fans ->" into the staples center sign, and noone caught it for a while, that would have been great. or maybe a political comment near the city hall offramp, a snide remark at hollywood in a applicable spot...but what he did is pretty unremarkable.

    and seriously, maybe im not remembering the article correctly, but this took him 2 years to execute??

    --

    There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
  47. Re:US Highway Signs contain Military Tactical Mark by linzeal · · Score: 1

    Well this is easy, just add a few of your own for misdirection.

  48. Mailboxes are exploding! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why, do you ask?

  49. Aviation: Instrument Approach Fixes Humor by Nick+Driver · · Score: 3, Funny

    In the world of aviation, even the FAA has some humor. For instance on the GPS 16 approach into Portsmouth NH, the Instrument Approach Fixes (IAF's, points defined in airspace for an instrument flight path to a runway) are named ITAWT ITAWA PUDYE TATT and the missed approach is named IDEED.

    On the ILS 18 approach into Lebanon NH, the fixes are named HAMMM, BURGER and FRYYS

  50. caltran sucks by JPawloski · · Score: 1

    Have you ever tried to drive I-10 until the end? It is multiplexed with I-5,
    apparently, for some portion, but it is an unsigned multiplex. You follow the
    signs to stay on I-10, and BAM all of a sudden, you see an I-5 reassurance
    marker. If you are lucky, you keep driving for 3 or so miles and then the I-10
    signage comes up.

    Have you ever tried to drive from the CA border to LA? There's frequent windy
    conditions and hazardous duststorms, but with no signage warning you of it.

    Have you ever driven on an LA freeway to another LA freeway? I think there is
    some law in CA that won't allow Interstates to be more than 10 lanes. A huge
    Interstate like I-10 will crash into I-5 with only 2 lanes, and one of them is
    lost immediately to the rightmost lane on the incoming I-5.

    Yes, it appears as though Caltran doesn't know what the hell they are doing.
    I've really only been in the LA area, I can't imagine what other problems they
    have northbound.

    1. Re:caltran sucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://www.tripnet.org/state/s122701.htm

  51. Why not hire the guy? by BlindSpot · · Score: 1

    Why don't the transportation departments go out and hire "starving artists" to paint their traffic signs? They could probably get them a lot cheaper than sign companies.

    The department wins by saving money, the artists win by having work. The only losers might be the sign companies, but only slightly because artists won't be able to replace sign companies by any means.

    Yeah this sounds an overly simplistic solution, but if it hasn't been tried then who's to say it won't work?

    BTW I completely disapprove of what the guy did, but at its core it might be a good idea.

    1. Re:Why not hire the guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      According to the article this guy IS a "sign company" - which makes this feat even less
      remarkable.. Oh wow! A sign maker made a sign that looks like it's supposed too. Yay.

  52. My Nefarious Sign Change by Milican · · Score: 2

    Well, while I was a fish in the dorms I changed a sign from "All Visitors Must Be Escorted" to "All Escorts Must Be Visited"... went unnoticed by most everyone all year long... gave me a chuckle every time I entered... guess I'm an artist too...

    JOhn

    1. Re:My Nefarious Sign Change by dublin · · Score: 2

      Well, while I was a fish in the dorms I changed a sign from "All Visitors Must Be Escorted" to "All Escorts Must Be Visited"... went unnoticed by most everyone all year long... gave me a chuckle every time I entered... guess I'm an artist too...

      I love those signs with the removable letters and the clear, bubble-type covers. We had several of those at the Sun office in Houston, and as I saw them daily, it one day struck me that anagrams were in order. Stealing letters from other signs was not allowed - you had to play the hand you were dealt.

      Two in particular I remember - One of them had said "OPEN DOOR SLOWLY" (it really was easy to cold-cock somebody with it otherwise) - that became "OPEN SLOW OLD ROY", not terribly clever, but not bad, and preserved the meaning acceptably.

      The other was a junk room which at one time had actually been what it was labelled, "TAPE LIBRARY". I just coud not resist turning that one into "TRIPE RAY LAB". Both signs stayed in their modified form for the last year I was there, and presumably remained until Sun moved to another building a couple of years later....

      I still get a chuckle out of the mental picture of a tripe ray, though...

      --
      "The future's good and the present is nothing to sneeze at." - Roblimo's last ./ post
  53. we need more of this by Preposterous+Coward · · Score: 2
    I'm really glad he pulled this off. Poor highway signage has long been a big pet peeve of mine. Here in Seattle there's an offramp from I-5 that splits, with a sign pointing in one direction that reads "North Airport Way S." I'd like to know how many people barrelling down the offramp at 50 mph can tell me definitively whether that means "North Airport Way road, Southbound direction" or "Northbound direction, Airport Way South road".

    Similarly, ramps around the country have signs that indicate direction of travel by using place names. So instead of "I-405 North / I-405 South" over the left and right lanes respectively, you get something like "I-405 Everett / I-405 Renton". Unless you live in the area, how the heck are you supposed to know which of these obscure places is north or south of your current position?

    I firmly believe that highway signs should be usability tested in PC-based driving simulators or something similar before they can be foisted on the public. Seriously: A little bit of effort to make these things easier to understand could help reduce the traffic snarls that develop when people get confused and slow down or, worse, have to slam on their brakes or cut across traffic at the last minute because the signs weren't clear.

    --

    "Biped! Good cranial development. Evidently considerable human ancestry."
    1. Re:we need more of this by demonbug · · Score: 1

      You think that's bad? In a town near me there is a street labeled in some areas "East West St".

      The name of the street is West St., and in the Eastern part of town they add in the East part. Actually, it only appears on one or two signs, the others reading "E. West St". Strangely, in the western part of town, it is labeled simply "West St".

    2. Re:we need more of this by RandyOo · · Score: 1

      As an American living in Europe (Germany to be exact) for about 1 year now, one thing I really had to adjust to was the signs on the autobahn. They don't label their highways here with north/south/east/west at all, they only give city names in the direction the highway goes. It's very frustrating for me, but I think I can understand the reason for it here, different languages. As well as the fact that many times highways don't strictly go in one direction. In Oklahoma City, there's actually a piece of I-240 westbound that goes....east! I think it's more common in interstates that are bypasses or loops around city traffic.
      Just thought you might be interested...

    3. Re:we need more of this by Preposterous+Coward · · Score: 2
      there's actually a piece of I-240 westbound that goes....east!

      Right, but the naming convention is based on the prevailing direction of the highway... i.e., if you stay on it for a while, you will eventually end up west of your current position.

      Of course, I don't know what you do with loops like the Beltway around D.C. "Clockwise" and "Counter-clockwise" maybe? ;-)

      --

      "Biped! Good cranial development. Evidently considerable human ancestry."
    4. Re:we need more of this by BeeShoo · · Score: 1

      The street I grew up on was East South Street.
      Similar situation. Equally confusing.

    5. Re:we need more of this by Ngeran · · Score: 1

      Actually, on I-440 around Raleigh, they use 'Inner' and 'Outer' (or at least, they did when I was there a few years back) It wasn't any less confusing, unfortunately, as I had to think hard coming up to the interchange on to it to figure out which way I wanted to go...

      --
      if( read(this) ) { you = programmer; }
    6. Re:we need more of this by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Not to mention that "Exit" is "Ausfart".

  54. How long? by Performer+Guy · · Score: 2

    So how long before a copycat who isn't so benevolent causes mayhem by modifying a sign that deliberately messes things up?

    1. Re:How long? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Australia - been done, and worse.
      In a cosy deal with toll road operators, the traffic dept, sabotaged traffic flow, to 'encourage' people to pay tolls, created off highway parking in one of the lanes, converted one way to both ways in the middle of the city.
      Planners are now being sued by the toll operators, for trying to undo the damage. Legal and planned traffic mayhem.

  55. Truth in labeling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Seen on comp.risks, please tell the guy what an idiot he is. Or if you happen to live nearby, you may try to give him a third meaning of killall, hehe...:

    Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 14:52:30 -0500
    From: dmaziuk@yola.bmrb.wisc.edu (Dimitri Maziuk)
    Subject: GNU in Not Unix (Re: Markettos, RISKS-22.05)

    Well, that particular risk is well known to professional Unix systems
    administrators -- in fact, I was rather surprised to see that Linux
    "killall" made the RISKS now: it's been [in]famous among Unix sysadmins for
    quite a while now.

    I see two issues here: one is that of false advertising, and another one --
    of professionalism (not that they are entirely unrelated).

    Stallman's rants about "LiGNUx" have a perfectly good technical reason
    behind them: "Linux" (as in "OS based on Linux kernel and free software")
    has lots of GNU software in it, and "GNU is Not Unix". Hence, Linux is
    Not Unix, regardless of what Linux advocates may be telling us, it is
    "GNU". (And, BTW, Unix is Not GNU.)

    That was about false advertising, now let's look at professionalism.

    Linux killall is perfect illustration of what happens when a product is
    designed by a diletante.

    Back in 1975 professionals designed an OS called Unix. Being professionals,
    they realised the need for certain design principles. Such as splitting a
    task into a number of smaller subtasks and designing a separate tool to
    handle each subtask (that does one thing, and does it well)[0].

    For example, shutting down a computer involves flushing (synchronizing) file
    buffers to disk ("sync"), killing all running processes ("killall"), and
    powering off the machine ("poweroff", at least on Solaris). All perfectly
    neat and logical.

    Along comes a layman who is unaware of the above principle, nor of
    the significant "prior art"[1]. Result? -- read Theo's message.

    (Various observations to show that isn't such a big problem (in
    no particular order):

    * professionals already know that similarly-named utilities often
    behave differently on different operating systems,
    * GNU folks never intended to uphold the aforementioned design
    principle in the first place (see EMACS), so no surprises there,
    after all, you'll only run "killall" on a Unix once.)

    We have a bigger problem with another Unix principle: source code
    portability.

    As software becomes more complex, it requires more sophisticated build
    tools. More and more open source software is being developed using GNU
    compilers and build tools, and it is becoming dependant on them. The result?
    -- While portability at the level of each compilation unit is still
    maintained, the whole thing is not portable anymore. It fails to build on
    non-GNU systems[2].

    GNU project in particular did a great service to software community by
    promoting and popularizing free software. It also did a great disservice by
    turning the whole thing into a political issue, and pretty much ignoring the
    need for competence and expertise on the part of software developers.
    Instead of sound software engineering, we now have "Free Speech"
    flag-waving[3].

    With more companies (individuals, governments) jumping on Linux bandwagon,
    the situation becomes eerily reminiscent of the recent dot-com boom; back
    then we had The Internet and e-words, now we have Open Source and
    Linux. Back then a few cautionary voices drowned in marketing hype, now
    they're likely to be branded Paid Advocates of Evil Entertainment Industry
    and Oppressors of Free Speech[tm] -- so they shut up and go learn Plan9, or
    something.

    (BTW, if it sounds like I'm singling GNU out, I'm not. Microsoft
    et al., did at least as much as GNU to get us where we are now.
    The whole thing would be very different if there was e.g. a
    liability clause in every software license.)

    But the $15 question remains: would you board an airplane designed by, say,
    2nd year biology student as a night-time hobby? So what makes you think
    their software design skills are any better?

    Hmm. This came out sounding like a rant. Well, it probably is.

    Dima

    [0] Various aspects of the problems related to complex software systems are
    very familiar to RISKS readers. They come up in, what? -- every other RISKS
    issue? 25+ years ago Unix authors were well aware of them, too.

    [1] Irix and Solaris "killall", for examle, behave like HP-UX one -- not
    surprising, considering the "grand scheme of things" outlined above.

    [2] Anyone who ever tried building open source software on Solaris using
    native build tools knows that 9 times out 10 GNU "libtool" fails to link
    shared libraries. The remaining 1 time GNU ./configure script fails to
    determine compiler flags to make position-independent code (needed for said
    libraries). And since GNU compiler and build tools are unable to produce
    64-bit code on Solaris, the libraries, and all software that uses them must
    be built as 32-bit binaries. Now, why did I pay for that 64-bit hardware,
    again?

    [3] And instead of one Shakespeare, we have a zillion monkeys with C
    compilers. As history of Usenet shows, we shouldn't expect them to come up
    with even "Hello World" anytime soon, not to mention "Hamlet".

  56. OT: Your sig by |<amikaze · · Score: 2, Funny

    Hey.... your sig is the same as mine!

  57. "Where There's A Willy, There's a Way. " by marcus · · Score: 4, Funny

    From: http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~opa/ur/pranks.html

    In 1988, a group of students pulled off the biggest prank at Rice. They rotated the 2,000 pound statue of William Marsh Rice 180 degrees, making Willy face Fondren Library for the first time in 58 years.

    "We were sitting in the pub drinking beer, and we decided something had to be done," says John Q. Smith '86, who helped mastermind the operation. After two futile attempts, the pranksters decided the third time had to be the charm.

    Three electrical engineers, two mechanical engineers, a civil engineer, a mathematical scientist, a biochemist, a chemist, a physicist and an English major put their brains and brawn together to carry out the elaborate scheme.

    Using plans of the statue taken from Fondren Li-brary, they simulated the transfer load through a computer model. They built two 24- foot A-frames, which they painted black to blend with the night, and put a beam on top that supported a three ton hoist in the middle and two one ton hoists on the sides.
    The A-frames were tested at an off-campus garage by lifting a 2,250-pound Toyota that was swung back and forth to simulate rotation. A pair of Houston police officers looked on after being told the car hoisting was "a senior research project. "

    These same police officers stopped the students as they were hauling the A-frames back to campus. Convinced it was only a school project, the officers gave the students a police escort to Entrance 8.
    Lookouts and decoys positioned themselves around the Quad and communicated to each other through walkie-talkies using code names from the X-Men comic book series. The light on Anderson Hall had been turned off every night for the two previous weeks. Each morning the pranksters reconnected the light so that physical plant people would not replace it.

    In the early morning hours of Tuesday, Apri112, 1988, before the sun came up, Willy sat facing the library. Only one student was caught, Patrick Dyson '88, and was made to pay the cost of turning the statue to its rightful position.

    Students rallied behind Dyson and sold T -shirts that read, "Where There's A Willy, There's a Way. " More than enough money was collected to pay the cost of restoring Willy to his familiar perspective.
    What took the pranksters one hour and cost $400 to do took professional movers three hours and a rumored $1,500-$2,000 to remedy. The students were blamed for breaking a guide pin underneath the statue, but they claim the professional movers did that.

    Reports of the prank quickly spread across the country with the help of the media.
    "People are going to have a hard time beating this one," comments a contented Smith.

    Well, maybe. But Rice students don't have excellent minds for nothing and they know quite well that a masterminded prank is a terrible thing to waste.

    --
    Good judgement comes from experience, and experience comes from bad judgement.
    - W. Wriston, former Citibank CEO
    1. Re:"Where There's A Willy, There's a Way. " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What did the English major contribute?

    2. Re:"Where There's A Willy, There's a Way. " by Graspee_Leemoor · · Score: 3

      Maybe he wrote it up for posterity...

      graspee

    3. Re:"Where There's A Willy, There's a Way. " by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Duh, he was the manager...someone had to be in charge of making six figures while doing close to nothing of importance...

  58. Not Art, But Plagiarism by thelizman · · Score: 1

    As CalTrans had already created this particular sign, and similar forms of prior art exist all across this country, this is not art. This guy did a flagrant plagiarism, and moreover he craftily attempted to cover up his act of counterfieture.

    SHAME!

  59. dress like a worker...... by shpoffo · · Score: 1

    and no one will question you. I foudn this out when i removed a street sign during the middle of rush our traffic in Pittsburgh. If you look official no one stops you, not even the policeman that walked by underneath me. You'd think he might have noticed i didn't have a safety harnass on.....

    judos to guerilla ops

    -shpoffo

  60. For the blind by da+cog · · Score: 4, Informative

    I typed up a description of what happened in the video for the benefit of visually impaired slashdotters. Here it goes:

    For the first seventeen seconds, the disembodied head of Richard Ankrom floats mysteriously in front of his road sign as it talks about his project in a spooky, ominous voice.

    In the next scene (you can hear the music change), you see him carefully examining a post with the INTERSTATE 5 symbol. The camera changes to a close up so you can see him comparing the blue of the shield a a color wheel he holds againts the sign.

    Another scene change. Now Rick is on a bridge, looking down along the road sign attached to its side. He takes out his ruler... suddenly a big ruler fades, phantom-like, into the middle of the screen! The background fades into Rick's pepective, looking down at the road below as the cars drive underneath him--yet the ruler... remains! It moves further away, then closer, and starts to slide to the right as the background switches to the original view of the scene. Rick disappears as he bends behind the sign...

    ...and now a white-gloved hand rubbing a cloth over the pencil-outlined letters "RS"... the camera zooms out... "ERS"... "TERST"... now the camera is so far away that you can no longer recognize the letters. All you see in that same mysterious hand--now attached to an arm--rubbing what looks like dirt on a white surface. Wait... now you can see an outline! Its an interstate shield!

    As the significance of this realization grips us, the rubbing hand fades away to a shadow... and then two shadows... and then none.

    The camera has now pulled back to the point where we can catch a glimmer of Rick's chest--apparantly he is standing by his drawing. He walks to the side, and starts to roll it up--revealing a white shield lying underneath it!

    The camera zooms... we are just able to make out the word "interstate" as the image changes.

    We can now see the letters "ERST", only now in thicker pencil. Some sort of pale coloring lies ever the E... wait! That coloring is actually a sheet, which Rick is now using to cover "RST". You can only see his hand as it sets it down. His thumb rubs the top of the sheet, and then his fingers do the rest. The world becomes fuzzy...

    We see the letters "RST"--the "E" presumably being covered by his hand. A ruler lies underneath the letters, oriented such that the numbers read upside-down to us. He traces along the ruler with a sharp object as hand and ruler and object all fade into oblivion, leaving only the letters. His hand mysteriously fades in and out at different positions and angles, cutting away at the outlines of different letters. A piece of his forehead pops into the scene, and then...

    We see him peeling off the pale covering--yet pieces of it now remain where the letter outlines had been traced.

    Now the angle shifts. We are now looking down at the word "INTERSTATE" from the right. He is applying some sort of pale tan tape to the top of the words. These hands start to fade away as another pair of hands fades in, applying tape to the left side. (The arms remain hidden.)

    The image now dissolves into a completely new scene. We look down at both of his arms and hands donned in white gloves as one hang scoups green paint out of a can being held by the second. A color table lies sprawling open on the wooden table beneath.

    The camera zooms out a little as his right hand stirrs the paint.

    The hands fade away... now we see him (even a portion oh his head!) carefully comparing a rectangle he his holding in his hand to the aforemetioned color table.

    Dissolution steals this image and replaces it with another. We are now outdoors. We can see Rick frow the abdomin up, facing us, and spraying red paint over our eyes. As the image is covered with this foggy red, the image transitions to a more solid red, with the clear white words "Pantone Color 199-200" at the bottom.

    The red disappears as quickly (yet as gradually) as it appeared. We now see Rick spraying red the top of the interstate shield as it lies up-side down against some sort of rectangular prop covered in cloth.

    The spray-paint disappears and the red paint on the sign becomes... green? Ah, no, it is now being covered with a green sheet as Rick sprays the top of the sign blue.

    The red words "Pantone Color 293" fade onto the bottom, ominously, and then vanish as mysteriously as they had appeared.

    A fast fade... now we see him spraying green onto some sort of table lying not far off the tiled ground... and green slowly blends into the scene along with the white words "Pantone Color 340-341" until both dominate... but once they do, the letters fade and a hand moves into our vision.

    The hand peels away... an R! Realization dawns upon us as the angle changes to show him peeling off the letter to its right.

    The scene changes again. Now we shee the shield standing upright, in its glorious red, white, and blue, as his hands, reaching from the top of our vision, cut away an "E" and completing the white word "INTERSTATE" at the top of the sign. He then peels off the last of the border lying at the top on the sign.

    His body now fades into the right of the screen, starting to peel... something from the middle of the sign. The camera zooms into his hands... both hands are now peeling away at...

    The bottom of a 5 appears in our vision, filled with several strange circles. His hand reaches from the bottom of our vision, grabs, and removes one of the circles.

    Our vision grows blurry... now we see the bottom of a drill, as the hand repeatedly squezes the handle.

    Quick fade.. we see some sort of nozzle being pressed against a small disc held by three of his fingers. We zoom in and watch as the nozzle squirts glue which Rick traces into a circle. This being done, the nozzle is pulled away...the scene changes...

    ...and we watch as the same hand now PUTS BACK the circle it had earlier removed from the 5!

    Dramatic music and scene change. We now see Rick from a birds-eye view as he walks along a sidewalk next to a highway... he gets smaller as the camara soars higher. He approaches a hanging overhead road sign.

    Our vision quickly flicks to a new scene, where we now see him much closer, almost completely obscured by greenery as he lays a ladder againts a large, metal pole.

    The scene again changes abruptly, now showing us pole and ladder from a side view. We zoom into the ladder...

    And switch back whence we came. Now Rick is climbing up his ladder....

    Ane now we are like an eyeball floating in space, peering at Rick from a moderate distance as he makes it to the top of the ladder. We see him toss some white object (his towel?) onto a porch under the sign.

    For a single instant, our vision changos, showing him leaning down and doing something next to the left side of the sign. Less than a second later we now see him climbing a stepladdep as he carries the word "NORTH" in white on a green background. It looks as if a piece of the sign was missing (or is it just a board lying against the sign?)...

    ...before we can ponder this thought for too long, the angle switches again. Now we see him from above and to the side as he mounts the right side of "NORTH" to the road sign. (It was a board, by-the-way.)

    The scene has changed again. Now we see him kneeling on the "porch" under the sign on the right side... it looks as if he is prying or pulling a blue shield with a 5 on it out of a black bag.

    The camera again flicks back, now showing Rick as he carries his shield over to the left side. We hear voices.

    Now we are closer to him and see him lifting the shield against the sign... now we are above him and watch as he uses his electric screwdriver to mount it into place.

    We watch from behind as he now removes the wooden board, first on the ladder, then on the porch (a tricky task, seeing as NORTH and 5 were both mounted over it for some reason). The 5 droops to the side... the scene changes and now we watch him fixing it.

    The image becomes blurry and turbulent. Red words appear in two lines along the bottom of the screen: "Camera 3: Mark Concha" and "Driver/Grip: Markus Hays"

    We see, vaguely (since our vision is shaking around) a man on a platform on a metal pole... another man breifly enters our vision.

    Our vision stops jolting as terribly, but is now a touch unfocused. It is now directed directly at the road sign, and zooms in to the man as he walks across the porch.

    Everything becomes much clearer and the words at the bottom disappear. We watch a little above and from a moderate distance (just far enough away to see the entire hanging road sign) as Rick takes down his ladder and carries it back to the right side of the sign. As he is about 1/2 of the way across the scene changes to show him climbing back down the ladder and to the ground.

    Fade to black.

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    1. Re:For the blind by Alsee · · Score: 2

      For the blind

      Good work!
      Think you could work up a version for the deaf? Thanx!

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    2. Re:For the blind by pz · · Score: 1

      The obligatory question is -- since this fellow is from LA where everyone in the art/entertainment world takes themselves FAR too seriously -- did this fellow really make a sign, or did he make a movie?

      My take is that the sign is a nice side-effect of having made the movie. The original impetus might be the same in both cases, but with such high-brow video techniques (rather than a straight documentation), it sure sounds like the movie was not just intended from the start, but a major part of the finished product. After all, he had intended to wow the *art* world with a display of the *movie*. The sign, present or not at that point, was incidental, save for the additional advertising value it gave the so-called artist.

      But then, maybe I'm bitter from my years living in LA.

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  61. Reminds me of Giotto's "perfect circle" by willpost · · Score: 0

    ..it happened that the Pope was anxious to have the walls of the great Cathedral of St. Peter at Rome decorated. So he sent messengers all over Italy to find out who were the best painters, that he might invite them to come and do the work.
    ...
    the messengers came to Giotto and told him their errand. The Pope, they said, wished to see one of his drawings to judge if he was fit for the great work. Giotto, who was always most courteous, `took a sheet of paper and a pencil dipped in a red colour, then, resting his elbow on his side, with one turn of the hand, he drew a circle so perfect and exact that it was a marvel to behold.'
    `Here is your drawing,' he said to the messenger, with a smile, handing him the drawing.
    ...
    The Pope and his advisers looked carefully over all the drawings, and, when they came to that round O, they knew that only a master-hand could have made such a perfect circle without the help of a compass. Without a moment's hesitation they decided that Giotto was the man they wanted, and
    they at once invited him to come to Rome to decorate the cathedral walls.

  62. Re:US Highway Signs contain Military Tactical Mark by demonbug · · Score: 1

    On a similar note, many portions of the Interstate Highway system were designed with certain lengths of straight sections to accomodate emergency landings by military aircraft in the event of war (well, invasion really) with the assumption that airfields would be a primary target in any attack. I'm not sure about the veracity of this, but a one or two mile long concrete (or even asphalt) stretch would probably do nicely for a fighter to land on (anything bigger would probably destroy the road). In good weather in daylight, anyway.

  63. Gotta Admit by Psyko · · Score: 0

    This guy's a genius, not only does he pay taxes to get this kind of stuff done in the first place, he decides to take the time to make the sinage from scratch and blow probably 30+ manhours in his actual construction and documentation processes. Then tries to sell it as art, even though it's a non-original work that he specifically copied from existing sources and then tries to capitalize on it afterwards...

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  64. cell phones on the highway by Provincialist · · Score: 1
    I have a friend who was rear-ended by a cell-phoner while stopped at a light recently, and I've heard about all the other problems that have been "caused" by cell phones, so I realize intellectually that many people are not capable of driving and conversing at the same time. Even so, the fact that anyone could have such low brainpower amazes me. I mean, I've driven ~30k miles in the last year (granted, this has been mostly in the Mountain TZ, where the traffic is a bit lighter), and I'm probably safest when talking on the phone. It's much more dangerous when I'm switching CDs, making sandwiches, reading a map, searching for a pen, searching for change, trying to see if the cop made a U-turn, etc.

    On those occassions when I'm speaking on the phone, I am looking at the road. How can anyone fail to react to his surroundings when he is looking at them? Not to be a eugenicist, but anyone who can't simultaneously think of something to say and realize that he needs to hit the brakes will not be missed from the gene pool. It's just unfortunate that he will probably interrupt my sandwich-making.

    later,
    Jess

    p.s. I somehow doubt that the sign control system in the picture got hacked. It seems more likely that someone GIMPed the message in.

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    1. Re:cell phones on the highway by BCoates · · Score: 2

      The trick is using the cell phone with a stickshift.

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  65. Process over product by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Keep in mind that there is more to his creation than just a finished highway sign.

    Besides, if paintings of soup cans (over and over and over) are art, why not facsimiles of roadsigns masquerading as roadsigns?

  66. Ah, yes... by rbruels · · Score: 1


    Nothing like another Slashdot story peeled from the folds of fark.com ... :)

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  67. who is deciding for the rest of the world? by Provincialist · · Score: 1
    just imagine if we allowed your average person on the street to dictate how a tcp/ip stack should be implemented, or what have you.

    Since the tcp/ip stack simply describes a way in which machines may exchange electronic signals, any group of people who own machines may use any alternative that they like. This confusion of the Internet with literal highways is a misuse of metaphor that does real harm to a free society. From the fact that a 16-ft-wide area in which the general public operates vehicles of varying tonnages at speeds in excess of 60 mph needs a modicum of regulation, please don't deduce that the internet needs it as well.

    later,
    Jess

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  68. Gimping the highway by cicadia · · Score: 1

    Yep - check out the reflection of the original message on the side of the truck.

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  69. More by DragonMagic · · Score: 1

    On I-94 heading between Racine and Milwaukee, you can find large signs on both sides of the highway announcing "Bong Recreation Center". No lie!

    Also, for more fun, check out the crap with Ohio's roads, at http://www.roadfan.com/. One of the oldest highway systems sits in northeast Ohio.

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  70. What the... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that guy is freaky deaky!!!

  71. Caltech (Pasadena City College) by kekoap · · Score: 1

    Loosely related story:

    There is a sign heading west on the 210 freeway before the exit to Caltech that says "Caltech" on one line and "Pasadena City College" on a second line underneath. One year (1991 maybe) a small group of people from Harvey Mudd added parentheses around Pasadena City College...

  72. US 666... by MrMetlHed · · Score: 1

    Gotta love US 666 though, I think there are two of them, but my friends... uh... borrowed a sizeable US-666 construction sign (orange and evil looking) from Gallup, New Mexico. They live in Michigan, so perhaps the sign for Hell will be missing someday.

  73. Yup... Come to Portugal... by Kindaian · · Score: 1

    If he comes here he will find with a FULL TIME job at hands...

    With so many wrongly signaled exits and outdated signals he would work 7/24 at least for one year!

    Cheers...

    1. Re:Yup... Come to Portugal... by lorcan · · Score: 1

      duh.

      Stay at home, then.

      (yes, I'm portuguese)

  74. This happened in Prague, 1968, just in reverse by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When the Russians (and Hungarians and Polish...) invaded Prague in 1968, the Czechs removed ALL the street signs so that they couldn't find their way around. It worked, only too well: a confused Russian machine-gunned the National Museum, thinking it was the House of Parliament. Go Figure.

  75. Who needs sign hackers? by GodLessOne · · Score: 1

    Check out the following for a real whacky road sign.

    http://www.digitalnorseman.com/musings/2002/rnda bt . tml

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  76. Lesson for software designers? by ColMstrd · · Score: 1

    It is a good piece of art because it reminds us that the person who builds the system (the road authority) will not necessarily anticipate the information needs of those who use it (joe drivers).

    The solution was rather a drastic hack. The road authority should run a website where you could make suggestions for improved signage. These could be implemented in an economic manner when the signs are upgraded for other reasons.

    It's the same thing with software: it's good to design it right: but you're still going to have to capture the thoughts of naive users when they encounter it for the first time, and take their expectations into account when you're upgrading the product.

    Here in Hackney in East London we had a political sign hack for a while: someone converted a local route sign from miles to kilometres, presumably to make a point about closer integration with Europe. No one seemd to bother about it for ages, though it was quite a kludge-y job (the material on which the kilometer distances was printed was a noticeably different shade from the rest of the sign).

    Then some anti-Euro hacks raised Cain in the local newspaper and the council got round to restoring the sign. No one ever claimed responsibility for it. I quite liked it myself: I prefer to cycle kilometres rather than miles because you go further. ;-)

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  77. I could by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hack the highways if only you bought me a delorean.

  78. Thanks for playing by shaldannon · · Score: 2

    but there are no dots and precious few signs. And as the poster from New York pointed out, dots and signs or no, it's still a really stupid idea to do thinks like that.

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  79. Terrorism is actively sponsored in the USA by Colin+Smith · · Score: 2, Informative

    Where on earth do you think the IRA get most of their funding?

    Where do you think Al Qaeda got their funding before the Russians left Afghanistan?

    Where do the guerillas in Nicaragua get their funding?

    And so on...

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    1. Re:Terrorism is actively sponsored in the USA by gilgongo · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Exactly. I would also commend you to read the this article by Noam Chomsky that points out a number of facts (the documented, independent, uncontested variety, not political "facts") that back this up.

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  80. Way to go by jimbolaya · · Score: 1

    While I'm skeptical about calling this "art," you've got to congratulate the guy for saving Californians some cash money by doing for free something that "had to be done." After that Oracle fiasco, they'll need to save every penny of tax dollars they can.

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  81. That was *interesects* by shaldannon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Check this map to see our really wacked beltline. Notice the small "triangle" of freeway at the left side of the city between Raleigh and Cary. The uppor portion is the Wade Ave. Extension, which lets people going between north Raleigh and I-40 make the transition without going to the southwest corner of the beltline.

    Now, if you look at the interchange marker right above the words "Piney Points" and to the left of "Caraleigh", you will see where our beltline meets itself at a 90 degree angle. At this point, if you are going southwest on the beltline you literally have to take a right hand turn onto a one-lane clover-leaf to get back onto the interstate. If you don't, you find yourself passing through Apex :) If you are on the southern portion of the beltline going west, you have the advantage of avoiding the clover-leaf design, but you still have a one-lane switch, or you find yourself headed north on I-40 until you reach the Wade Ave. Extension, where you head back west.

    I've been here almost 2 years, and it took me a good 3 months to get used to that.

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  82. got life? by CheezeyWheezy · · Score: 0

    dont these people have anything better to do with their life?

  83. If you're interested by shaldannon · · Score: 2

    An old boss of mine (from when I used to work on Aviation Parkway) is running technology meetings every couple months over on Perimiter Park. Drop me an email and I'll let you know when the next one is set for and how to get there.

    It's nice being able to work downtown now since I don't have to do the Lynn Road Rat Race or the I-40 Crawl. Then again...now I do the Falls of the Neuse 500 ;)

    Anyhow...time for a shower and off to work. See my site for an email address.

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  84. Fine for littering by Godwin+O'Hitler · · Score: 1

    How about that for a sign that's open to misinterpretation. "Lousy place for littering" might be more understandable.

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  85. Re:Similar to MIT? OT by liquidsin · · Score: 2

    Hey, that's MY sig, but I've always heard it being attributed to Voltaire. Anybody know who's quote it really is?

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  86. That is why it is art by jhines · · Score: 2

    There is a fine line between art and graffiti, and this man successfully walked that line.

    Part performance, part painting, part film, it covers a lot.

  87. Re:US Highway Signs contain Military Tactical Mark by ErikZ · · Score: 1

    Um, why don't they just use a map?

    And considering that the US military personel COME from the states, why don't they just get a guy who came from the area to direct them?

    Honestly. It's a highway. Like a big black line. Follow the big black line until you reach the city you need to control. They can't be more specific than that because cities grow and change.

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  88. Re:US Highway Signs contain Military Tactical Mark by Kredal · · Score: 1

    I seem to remember reading about this somewhere. I believe the original specs for the interstate system said that one out of every 5 miles had to be straight and uncovered, so that an airplane could land, in an emergancy, or if the local airport he it was aimimg for had been destroyed or bombed.

    About 5 years ago, a small 4 passenger airplane landed on I-95 in Florida, so it worked. (:

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  89. "GOD BLESS AMERICA" by fizbin · · Score: 2

    I'll just note (not that these are anywhere near as common as they were 8 months ago) that many places around here had those little movable-letters signs up saying "GOD BLESS AMERICA".

    A minute or so with an anagram generator will tell you that those letters can be rearranged into "SAD MOB SACRILEGE". As I said, not that it's anywhere near as useful now as a few months ago, but the phrase could always come back in vogue.

  90. Kinda like documenting your code by qurob · · Score: 1


    So are comments art?

  91. You should try Cary, NC by shaldannon · · Score: 2

    Cary (which was recently featured in a National Geographic issue (like...July 2001 or something)) is a city on the southwest of Raleigh and the southeast of Chapel Hill (relatively speaking). It's where the high-lifestyle crowd live because they like to pay for a high rent district. (That's not a troll...just the truth). It has wierd intersecting and name-changing roads all over the place. It has at least two roads which circle the city and intersect with each other. I get horribly lost whenever I go there. In fact, the words I dread hearing when someone starts giving me directions there are It's easy to find, because I know immediately I'm going to wind up lost.

    Lest you think that I joke or exaggerate, I'm told that "Cary" is also an acronym for "Containment area for relocated Yankees."

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    1. Re:You should try Cary, NC by Smallest · · Score: 1

      Maynard rd in Cary is a horror; it's a circle, but there's no indication that it's a circle, you just end up back where you started. it took me a couple of laps to figure that one out. because everything in Cary looks the same (identical subdivisions and apartment complexes as far as the eye can see), you don't immediately notice that you're seeing the same thing again.

      one other thing that bugs me: the horrible design of combining on ramps and off ramps into the same 1/8 mile stretch. the people trying to get on the highway have to sprint through this little strip of road that just might be occupied by someone trying to quickly slow down to get off the highway.

      oh... and the horrible clusterfuck on Captial S. trying to get onto 440: it could be the busiest section of road in Raleigh... five lanes of traffic, most of them trying to get onto 440. if like most people, you're going west, after you've fought your way over to the right lane, because the signs have told you you need to be over there, you find yourself forced off of Capital, 200 feet before 440. why? because the right lane is a turn only lane for Highwoods Blvd.. so, now the people who didn't figure this out in time are trying to merge into the second lane while people from the leftmost lanes are trying to do the same. every morning, it's the same nightmare.

      designed by monkeys, i always say.

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  92. Yeah but... by Planetes · · Score: 1

    Your analogy is a little flawed. He didn't determine how the system should operate, he simply implemented a bug fix. I would argue that he applied an open source concept to the public roadways.

    As much as the average 'Joe' would like to think they can make decisions for the rest of the world, sometimes there are some things that experts know more about. And yes, sometimes bureacracy gets in the way - but just imagine if we allowed your average person on the street to dictate how a tcp/ip stack should be implemented, or what have you.

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  93. "A witty saying proves nothing." by Cybrr · · Score: 1

    According to Google, it's Voltaire's.

    What I'd like to know is who said something like: "As long as we can keep the right from starting a war, and the left from selling us into slavery, we'll be ok."

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    1. Re:"A witty saying proves nothing." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Mark Twain, according to Google.

  94. This is art? by TWR · · Score: 2
    So, doing the DOT's job for free is now art? Great! There are plenty of potholes just waiting for some artistic license...

    -jon

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  95. With caveats by shaldannon · · Score: 2

    For example, they are building the 540 outer loop around Raleigh. Also, DC and other cities have two concentric beltlines, usually (iirc), one with an odd digit and one with an even digit.

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    1. Re:With caveats by Smallest · · Score: 1

      it could be that the other even numbered x40s are taken, in NC.

      -c

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  96. s/Lenin/Lennon/ by BACbKA · · Score: 1

    Nice hack :-))

    On John Lennon's 50th birthday (in 1990), I remember some signs on the Lenin prospect (actually, some house numbers) in St.Petersburg (the original one in Russia, you copycats...) were repainted in the same font to read "Lennon prospect" (which, unfortunately, was replaced by the authorities back to original in just 2 days or so :-( ).

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  97. Totally Free Chicken by thelenm · · Score: 2, Funny

    There was a bank in Holland, MI that had a sign offering "Totally Free Checking" (in big letters) when I was in college a few years back. I knew a guy who did something similar to the guy in this article: he created false letters to match the ones on the sign exactly. He altered the sign so that it read "Totally Free Chicken". He walked into the bank a little while later, and told them with a completely straight face that he was there to get the Totally Free Chicken they were offering. The bank took down the sign, but I don't think he was ever caught.

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  98. Highly disciplined? by stwomack · · Score: 1

    He also wanted to prove that one highly disciplined individual can make a difference.

    Then get a job, hippy.

  99. Re:US Highway Signs contain Military Tactical Mark by bluepeter · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but that isn't true: It is an urban legend. It makes sense too, there are already hundreds if not thousands of strips in the country, why do we need thousands more?

  100. Re:US Highway Signs contain Military Tactical Mark by azadrozny · · Score: 1
    In addition to regulations on being straight, all the minimum bridge heights are set based on the height of a tank being transported on a flat-bed truck.

    The system was designed to move troops an armor. The byproduct was a "great" network of roads to move civilians around the country. Eisenhower was a very smart but paranoid man.

  101. 69 miles to Lovelock by Dr.+Zowie · · Score: 2
    The town of Lovelock, NV is on I-80 and used to be bracketed by city approach signs exactly 69 miles out: "LOVELOCK 69". I believe that all of those signs perished when the Stanford Band Shack was demolished three years ago.

    The authorities eventually got wise and the signs now read "LOVELOCK 70".

  102. Not there for long... by Mark+of+THE+CITY · · Score: 1

    Caltrans is removing its dark green signs with reflector dots on the letters and numbers. The replacements are light green and totally reflectorized. Eventually, exits will be numbered, too.

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  103. My dad's friend did a similar thing in the 60s. by soft_guy · · Score: 2, Funny

    My dad was a division manager for a southern california construction company that did work for California Division of Highways and the federal government a lot. Anyway, he had a buddy who complaigned to him that he had a dangerous intersection near his house that really needed a stop sign. He asked my dad about the process of getting the city to put one up. My dad just ordered him an extra sign the next time he ordered signs. He had the guy pay him the $18 the stop sign cost, then helped him put it up. The guy asked "won't they notice?". Not only didn't they notice, the cops even gave some guy a ticket for running it about a week after they put it up.

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  104. Interesting... by cr0sh · · Score: 2

    I love "conspiracy theories", and the one about secret codes on signs seems pretty neat. I have heard the same thing about open stretches of highway, as well.

    What I want to know about, is the "generators" on the interstates.

    What do I mean by "generators"?

    Some of the older interstate highways (I-17 here in Phoenix is a good example) are typically placed "below grade", that is, the surrounding roads and land are higher than the freeway, and rarely does the freeway rise to meet the grade - you travel in what is basically a concrete "chute" or "canyon".

    What is interesting, and they seem to be mostly located near the off ramps, or at the end of the off ramps (but still near the freeway), are these concrete "bunkers", with large exhaust pipes sticking out of them (sometimes they aren't this blatent) - obviously a large diesel engine of some sort. I have never seen these engines run. I don't understand why they are in large concrete and steel bunkers, with walls 12-18 inches thick, thick gauge steel mesh covering openings (like that the exhaust pipes stick out from), heavy duty locks, etc - buried in the side of the concrete "chute" of the freeway or exit.

    I don't know what they are for - for the size of the engine, they seem like large power generators. I suppose they could be used for water pumping as well (for the city or for flooding).

    Does anyone know the purpose of these things?

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  105. Roundabouts != good idea by shaldannon · · Score: 2

    As one person once said, "the traffic roundabout is evidenced of the misplaced belief in the basic goodness of human nature."

    So far the only good story I've heard WRT a roundabout was told by one of the English denizens of #slashdot. It seems he was driving his car when the gas pedal stuck...and the brakes wouldn't work. Fortunately, he had already entered a roundabout, so he just kept cruising around it until he ran out of gas.

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  106. Hero to me (was: I don't get it....) by Tablizer · · Score: 2

    Agreed.

    The signage in L.A. really stinks. Simple changes could save millions of hours, fuel, and frustration if added up over time.

    For example, it would be nice if they painted the upcomming freeway numbers *on* the lanes a few times so that one knows whether they are in the right lane or not.

    I was even thinking that a truck fitted with something like a big inkjet print head could paint such numbers without shutting down the freeway (assuming only a few lane-changers run over it before it dries. They could do it at say 3am.)

    And, put the word "only" in lanes that will soon exit. One lane around here needs "NO FWY" painted on it a few times because people keep thinking it turns onto the freeway, and when they find out it is only a street left, they try to barge back in the next lane, and cause havoc.

    Nobody seems to want to fix crap like that.

    He is a hero in my book. I think I will go visit it next week to solute it.

  107. Sod highways, h4xx da tr4xx by Dr.+Bitchin' · · Score: 1

    So you have some free energy to volunteer for public works. Why be a road luser. Roads and cars are polluting, ugly systems, and don't take voluntary input like other more elegent systems.
    Much better to work on volunteer run railways. These provide a truly egalitarian transport system. You can paint and install signs to your heart's content. I've painted signs for one of these railways - I never knew painting signs for a transport system was such a renegade thing to do. If you want you can learn to drive a locomotive. Become a gaurd. Get your coding hands dirty with the information and signalling systems. Get your real hands dirty building and repairing stock. And, yes, these railways are in some cases becoming large enough to provide socially useful transport.

  108. Cool... by Danse · · Score: 1

    The authorities are responsible for taking out your trash? Where do you live?! I'm moving there!

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  109. SignMaker 2.3.1 - Make your own freeway sign!!! by gongzero · · Score: 1

    Don't know if anyone has pointed this out. Fun for office, home or bedroom without risking cops after your ass lol http://www.kurumi.com/roads/signmaker/signmaker.ht ml Works best with color printer of course...

  110. Donating to the Library by Vegan+Pagan · · Score: 2

    My current hobby is donating movies to my local library with spare money. Not just any movies, but movies at the movies at the top of IMDB's fan favorite lists in each category. The Brevard County Public Libraries now have Grave of the Fireflies and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, thanks to me.

    1. Re:Donating to the Library by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Brevard County Public Libraries now have Grave of the Fireflies and Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within, thanks to me.

      Hundreds of years from now, little children will sing your revered name and dance in a thankful chorus of joy, all dedicated to YOU, the great hero, the redeemer of us all.

      Fucking egotistical jackoff.

  111. Going to the bathroom is not... by hackwrench · · Score: 1

    a means of communicating to other people.

    1. Re:Going to the bathroom is not... by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Yes, but I'm a 'fartiste'. I use a "nontraditional medium" to express myself. If you want, I will even bottle it up and sell it to you for a sum.

  112. Re:I don't ge... It was art by assertion by ilmarin · · Score: 1

    The sign was not the art; the performance of planning and installing the sign was intentionally art. The installation was self consciously filmed as an artistic "event", a form of conceptual art. By getting members of the Los Angeles art community to agree that the performance was art, it thereby became actual and authentic art. It's all sort of suspicious. I think it's actually marketing or sales...

  113. bullshite! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Take a good look at how the real essence of art
    is being debauched by weak shit like this.

    How does this kind of work change the world,
    wake up an individual?

  114. Where else in can you do this? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    101 South
    to 85 South
    to 280 South
    to 101 South

    ?

    all while going South!!!

  115. Some problems with that. by twitter · · Score: 2
    My favorite quote:
    He even chopped off his shoulder-length blond hair to fit the role of a blue-collar freeway worker.

    This is obviously one artist who does not do much construction work. If he did, he would see all lengths of hair. Caltrans may have some rules, but I doubt it.

    There are some other things our artist might not know about that could cause severe injury or death. How about standard safe work practices? Did our razor wire hopping hero have a lanyard to keep his silly ass from falling into oncoming traffic? Was his scafolding proper? Did this joker use the right metals for his fasteners or will galvanic corosion kill someone one day as his sign rusts off its holder? No amount of money saved is worth life and limb, and this turkey risked his own and others to do this.

    Experience here in the computer world does not translate well to the physical world of public trasportation. Stunts played on bridges can kill people. Hacking my computer is useful to me, and may be helpful to other willing users of my code, but it will never physically hurt anyone. In this case, education, training, peer review and all checks were absent. These things are fostered in the free and open software movements. The artist swung his fist, ignorant of the faces he will hit.

    I'd like to see him held accountable for the cost of fixing things, just like any other contractor. At the very least, the work must be inspected and verified. He may have improved the signage, but it's doubtful his job is really up to specs and it will likely have to be torn down at the expense of more important work.

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    1. Re:Some problems with that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If everybody was the fucking apathetic jackoff that you are, we'd still be living in caves and sticking berries up our noses. I know that YOU are probably still doing that, but the rest of us like to progress and improve as a species instead of just masturbating in pools of our own feces like you do.

    2. Re:Some problems with that. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was inspected and verified. He was following the published standard work procedures for this type of job. His sign was made of the same type of aluminum, et cetera. In short, he made sure to do professional-grade work.

  116. Aristotlian definition of art by Avatar1000 · · Score: 1

    Hey guys - the whole "so what makes something art" question isn't exactly new... The ancient dead greek guy started trying to define thought and reality, and generally to put everyting into neat little boxes. Definitions of this style are "SubjectX IS:" and for hundreds of year - heck, millenia - the definition "Art IS:..." has eluded and stymied pundits, critics, artists, and various other flavors of Raging Egos(tm). Current art theory seems to think that art is defined by who does it and who accepts it - if you aren't part of the art world, then nothing you do can possibly be art - but any 'recognized' artist can legitimately market meaningless tripe as 'ART!' and we plebians can't be expected to understand it.
    Just my two cents and old notes from an aestetics class.

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