You are in denial of the truth. itms is as much rental as any of the other services. Apple can change the contract on the music you have bought at any time, it isn't yours as long as they can do that. Even if it is a lifetime rental it is a rental. If the songs where yours you could at least put them up for grabs at ebay, but you can't. If they where yours your children can legaly inherit your songs with DRM attached on them, but they can't.
The point of DRM is to take away "inconveniences" for the labels and sellers. And Apples DRM does that as good as anybody elses. I don't understand why any consumer would agree that Apples DRM is "good enough", when it cost more to rent the music than to buy it at the store.
This whole argumentation is silly. The "lets not rent" argument was founded by the no DRM crowd. The itms supporters saw this as a nice argument and now uses it themselves for everybody EXCEPT itms, next time come up with you own arguments and let them be true that time.
Sun may relase solaris as OSS this year, next year they withdraw that. Suns problem is they can never hold an direction for more than a few years (or even that), it seems nobody in the company knows what anybody else are doing. If I got a dime for every time a Sun executive contradict another Sun executive I would be really welthy man today.
I can only speak for myself here. I use VMware on a computer with host os + 4 virtual machines. The host OS is windows XP pro OEM and the other oses 2xcentos and 2xgentoo. I don't think it's possible to install the OEM version of XP onto vmware so if I need windows this is the setup I have to use (or possibly pirate).
Most (all?) distros can at least force install an rpm package, It's pretty convinient even if you aren't on a rpm distro. I do it sometimes on Gentoo for binary packages like cedega.
You do understand most of OS X is open source? Does the BSD parts of OS X sucks? I better tell jobs so he can promote going back to cooperative multitasking and no memory protection.
It has a button in the upper right corner which opens a browser where you can buy books, it also has some form of Yahoo search in it. I try to keep my computer as clean as possible from commercial interests and this program is borderline. 99% of the time gpdf works fine anyway.
Can somebody intelligent explain to me why mac users take it personally offensive if someone like Linux more than OS X.
Another question. Why do mac users equal all *nixes? OS X may be a *nix but not my way of doing things so why must I run it? Is it that mac users don't know anything about unix and just use it as a sales-argument for us that do?
Windows permissions are better in the sence "more advanced", but more advanced may also be translated to harder to use. Unix security is great for system files but not as good for user files where more advanced ACLs have the advantage. Most security is in the system files and it should be kept simple for the sake of correctnes.
Unix are beginning to get ACLs now with some implementations but I don't ever see it going down to the system files.
Just because somecompaniesalways sue doesn't mean it's correct. They mostly do it because they know the people they sue has no chance of defending themselves. Well, SCO may have picked the wrong target.
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Maybe it's better but it sure as hell ain't faster.
I do't think you understand what we are talking about here.
I'm not saying GIMP is a good program at all, thats not what this is about. I'm saying it's an substantial app that somehow manage to find it's way in this "library jungle". Same for mozilla, or vmware if we are going for closed source commercial program. Grandparent seem to think that it's impossible to port an app to Linux because there are too many libraries to choose from.
There are thousands of free and commercial projects who manage to solve the problems you are talking about, whats so special about Adobe? Even GIMP which also is a "fairly substantial" app manage to tackle it quite nicely.
I wiped my three year old Gentoo install once I discovered Ubuntu
And thats the bigest strengths of gentoo. While other distros "can" function three years from initiall install without distribution upgrades Gentoo has this one nailed down. A three year old install function very close to a newly installed machine. For desktop use thats just wonders.
The big difference is that with "analog distributions" (CD, DVD, Cassets etc), You didn't have to sign a contract to buy because there are laws which says what you can and can't do with the media you buy. You can't show a movie you buy in a cinema for example, but you can redistribute (or sell) the media.
Now with digital media the laws says that companies can grant whatever rights they want to the media in the form of licences. The first thing they took away was the ability to redistribute, you can no longer sell what you have once bought (this is why I like to call online media distributing as renting). With DRM they have also taken away the ability to use what you have payed for in ways not authorized by the licence.
New laws are needed and they should give more rights to the consumer.
Thats exactly my point, don't say that you can buy media digitally on the internet because you can't (I know you didn't say that btw). You can as you say only buy a limited licence which grants access to media in form that to the consumer looks like a rent.
That is the big problem, most people I am sure would rather buy than rent but there is no such store because the recordcompanies would not allow it.
The underlying problem you talk about is of course that you can't buy DRM:ed media, Every form of DRM today, iTunes or otherwise is a rent. Lifetime maybe but when you die you take you music into the grave.
If I buy something it should be mine, I should be able to dictate the terms I use it on, I should be able to resell. I should be able to trade media with another store or a friend.
I can't stand renting everything digitally for the rest of my life. Now is the time for the consumer to stand up or we will lose all our rights in the digital world.
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One distro uses this for watching /home recursively. I don't remember why or which. :)
It probably is for Beagle for indexing and searching.
You are in denial of the truth. itms is as much rental as any of the other services. Apple can change the contract on the music you have bought at any time, it isn't yours as long as they can do that. Even if it is a lifetime rental it is a rental. If the songs where yours you could at least put them up for grabs at ebay, but you can't. If they where yours your children can legaly inherit your songs with DRM attached on them, but they can't.
The point of DRM is to take away "inconveniences" for the labels and sellers. And Apples DRM does that as good as anybody elses. I don't understand why any consumer would agree that Apples DRM is "good enough", when it cost more to rent the music than to buy it at the store.
This whole argumentation is silly. The "lets not rent" argument was founded by the no DRM crowd. The itms supporters saw this as a nice argument and now uses it themselves for everybody EXCEPT itms, next time come up with you own arguments and let them be true that time.
Apple already have a patent on gloving toilet chairs.
Sun may relase solaris as OSS this year, next year they withdraw that. Suns problem is they can never hold an direction for more than a few years (or even that), it seems nobody in the company knows what anybody else are doing. If I got a dime for every time a Sun executive contradict another Sun executive I would be really welthy man today.
Not so, they are very much directly competing in the same market for the same customers.
Ok, thanks for the input. It's an Dell OEM windows. But maybe it works the way you describe.
I can only speak for myself here. I use VMware on a computer with host os + 4 virtual machines. The host OS is windows XP pro OEM and the other oses 2xcentos and 2xgentoo. I don't think it's possible to install the OEM version of XP onto vmware so if I need windows this is the setup I have to use (or possibly pirate).
Yes it sucks, but XP is at least pretty stable.
Most (all?) distros can at least force install an rpm package, It's pretty convinient even if you aren't on a rpm distro. I do it sometimes on Gentoo for binary packages like cedega.
You do understand most of OS X is open source? Does the BSD parts of OS X sucks? I better tell jobs so he can promote going back to cooperative multitasking and no memory protection.
Altough not realy (or only) macromedias fault 99% of flashbased contents are ads. That makes flash pretty intrusive.
Uses GTK2 is an overstatement, it seems to embed some "adobe-gui" in a gtk canvas.
Also, it uses an old GTK filerequester, this could probably be fixed though.
It has a button in the upper right corner which opens a browser where you can buy books, it also has some form of Yahoo search in it. I try to keep my computer as clean as possible from commercial interests and this program is borderline. 99% of the time gpdf works fine anyway.
emerge -C for you acrobat.
Can somebody intelligent explain to me why mac users take it personally offensive if someone like Linux more than OS X.
Another question. Why do mac users equal all *nixes? OS X may be a *nix but not my way of doing things so why must I run it? Is it that mac users don't know anything about unix and just use it as a sales-argument for us that do?
Windows permissions are better in the sence "more advanced", but more advanced may also be translated to harder to use. Unix security is great for system files but not as good for user files where more advanced ACLs have the advantage. Most security is in the system files and it should be kept simple for the sake of correctnes.
Unix are beginning to get ACLs now with some implementations but I don't ever see it going down to the system files.
Can it be Adobes spyware networked activity scheme?
Hmm. My resonably new computer takes 10 secons to POST.
what are the odds Rockstar sues?
Just because some companies always sue doesn't mean it's correct. They mostly do it because they know the people they sue has no chance of defending themselves. Well, SCO may have picked the wrong target.
Maybe it's better but it sure as hell ain't faster.
I do't think you understand what we are talking about here.
I'm not saying GIMP is a good program at all, thats not what this is about. I'm saying it's an substantial app that somehow manage to find it's way in this "library jungle". Same for mozilla, or vmware if we are going for closed source commercial program. Grandparent seem to think that it's impossible to port an app to Linux because there are too many libraries to choose from.
There are thousands of free and commercial projects who manage to solve the problems you are talking about, whats so special about Adobe? Even GIMP which also is a "fairly substantial" app manage to tackle it quite nicely.
I wiped my three year old Gentoo install once I discovered Ubuntu
And thats the bigest strengths of gentoo. While other distros "can" function three years from initiall install without distribution upgrades Gentoo has this one nailed down. A three year old install function very close to a newly installed machine. For desktop use thats just wonders.
If there is a will there is a way, we just have to wait and see.
The big difference is that with "analog distributions" (CD, DVD, Cassets etc), You didn't have to sign a contract to buy because there are laws which says what you can and can't do with the media you buy. You can't show a movie you buy in a cinema for example, but you can redistribute (or sell) the media.
Now with digital media the laws says that companies can grant whatever rights they want to the media in the form of licences. The first thing they took away was the ability to redistribute, you can no longer sell what you have once bought (this is why I like to call online media distributing as renting). With DRM they have also taken away the ability to use what you have payed for in ways not authorized by the licence.
New laws are needed and they should give more rights to the consumer.
Thats exactly my point, don't say that you can buy media digitally on the internet because you can't (I know you didn't say that btw). You can as you say only buy a limited licence which grants access to media in form that to the consumer looks like a rent.
That is the big problem, most people I am sure would rather buy than rent but there is no such store because the recordcompanies would not allow it.
The underlying problem you talk about is of course that you can't buy DRM:ed media, Every form of DRM today, iTunes or otherwise is a rent. Lifetime maybe but when you die you take you music into the grave.
If I buy something it should be mine, I should be able to dictate the terms I use it on, I should be able to resell. I should be able to trade media with another store or a friend.
I can't stand renting everything digitally for the rest of my life. Now is the time for the consumer to stand up or we will lose all our rights in the digital world.