If Sun as you say has the copyright on the complete program today they can relicence it in any way they want. They don't have to use only LGPL, they can even use a BSD licence. I don't see the problem.
Sure, I've been running both Linux and Windows for quite some time. And I've NEVER encountered a 1 minut swap session after closing an application in Linux. On windows it happens everyday if I run a big program like a new game (As thats what I have windows for).
I can only imagine those swap sessions on a 233Mhz machine. Linux does handle memory way better.
So, as there is no new invention here as you say, you do think it's ok to patent an ever so slightly improvement over an existing idea. In this case it seems to be "specific" gestures on a touchscreen. No one else patents gestures because only Apple thinks it's ok to patent small UI changes. They once got turned down for trying to patent the whole concept of a GUI, luckily they didn't got that one through.
I don't have to give you any examples on where Apples specific gestures are used, because most like there are none. But, Gestures are are used on a wide range of devices (From handheld videgames to webbrowsers) and are nothing new at all. Thats it.
I'm not American so maybe I just don't understand this "every thought no mather how novel should be patentable" thing. But if it works for you, good luck. In the rest of the world it would probably just stiffle innovation.
I don't see anything in that patent application for making a multipoint touch-sensitive device. All I can see is that they are free-riding on other companys devices with another software patent. Possibly making it harder for the true inventors to sell their devices because Apple patented the uses for them.
It sound like apple "again" is taking an already established idea, enhance it by 5% and file for a patent, making it impossible for others to enhance Apples idea. Good work. I wish more companies did this so we van't have any innovation at all.
This is the same argument the RIAA used against file sharing.
Companies aren't citizens. They shouldn't be treated in the same ways and shouldn't be compared by the same standards. So my argumentation isn't like RIAA suing filesharers.
There is one big difference. If you protect with DRM and use DMCA it may very well be illegal to change to code. With a ROM it's tough luck to change it but it's not illegal and you can if you want to change the ROM chip.
But it does not grant you the right to install that modified software back on that same machine.
Of course not, but it shouldn't be illegal to do so. Even if it's practically impossible.
DRM is mostly used to create incompabilites to lock out competitors and not to protect intellectual properties. Look at FairPlay. Companies get sued to left and right for trying to be compatible with the iPod.
It has been pretty much proven that no fair DRM can be made. Not by a company anyway.
FSFs arguments aren't really bad either. They just want you to be able to change the code which is under GPL in products. By wrapping GPL code in DRM and use DMCA to protect it there is legaly a whatertight hole to not let users change the GPL code in the products. This was probably not the intent of the author of said GPL code and thats why DRM is added in GPL v3. And why it's probably welcomed by most developers.
I don't care what standards apple is using, as long as the files are wrapped in proprietary DRM Microsofts solution is more "available". I'm not going to use the word "open" as neither Apples or Microsofts formats are open.
Unlike Apples solution Microsofts DRM can be licensed by anybody. This is hard fact.
Many computers bought today gets double, tripled or even quadrupled memory before the life of the computer is ended. By going 32bit Apple is dangerously close to the limit. What about 2 years from now when 2 Gig may be the standard.
Apple clearly needs to get on with the program and go 64bit very soon. They had an excellent opportunity to do it now with a fresh x86 start but they missed that boat.
If it's so easy to track my every move. Can you show me a log of what sites I've been to today? I make it easy for you, you can start the trace now and give me the log tommorow.
Lets assume Dell switches to AMD because of Apple having a better deal than Dell at Intel. How much revenue could Intel lose by losing Dell? Probably a lot. It's somewhat accepted that sooner or later you will be fucked over if you deal with Apple. But boy, Apples new hardware was released today and Intel is already feeling it.
It takes *serious* amounts of money to fund that sort of development staff, and it's not something you and me and a few other likeminded folks are going to be able to fund.
You are talking about a different issue. When he said he wanted a free software driver he did not said the developers working on it shouldn't be payed. Nvidia and ATI can throw 1000 paid developers on the problem for all I care and still develop a Free software driver.
Nvidia would still sell the hardware even if the driver where Free software. What good is the driver without the hardware?
Now, you would maybe say Nvidia can't open source the driver because they don't own all of it. I say bullshit, If there is a will there is a way. The will just isn't there today, but the future might change that.
I think you are wrong. The Gnome developers hard work is shining very bright through Ubuntu. It's very easy to use and the new Gnome mantra "less is more" is starting to bear fruit. Yast may be good but compared to the Ubuntu/Gnome control panels it's still very complex. I'm not saying they are not good or powerfull, just more complex than Gnome.
I'm usually a commandline guy, have been on Gentoo for years and too complex GUI programs just scares me away, just as it would scare away new users without computer knowledge. Ubuntu and Gnome is right on target for me and many others.
Are most players iPods? In th US maybe but probably not anywhere else. In Europe cheap flashbased players can be had for close to nothing, like $30. Just as you can get a free gun for opening a bank account in the US you are quite likely to get a no brand MP3/WMA player in Europe.
I recently switched to use ubuntu in my desktops (from gentoo). It's been mostly painless but there are gotchas with breezy 5.10.
Multimedia support is close to non existant. I have source installed mplayer, dvd::rip and avidemux (And a few libraries they depend on). That brought multimedia up to par with my gentoo install altough much more hassle than gentoo.
Default kernel is non preemptible which just sucks if you like me do some heavy multitasking. It's not unusual for me to have 5 mencoders or a couple of compiles going and without preemptible kernel the system is close to non responsive, the problems show up even if you only encode one movie. A kernel compile fixes the problems but some people probably don't want to recompile the kernel (Or have the skill to do so).
Default firefox is slow. For some reason the default firefox is amazingly slugish. I downloaded a new from mozilla.org and problem is fixed. Still annoying.
Gentoo has amazinlgy good documentation. Not something against ubuntu but coming from Gentoo it's a big loss.
Main reason for switching was getting a reasonably new gnome desktop with good package stability. With gentoo you have a too much of a moving system with new releases of packages way too often and too inconsistently. So far ubuntu has been great in that regard.
All in all it's one of the best desktop distros right now.
It doesn't matter if distros follow them. If you can't run say Adobe photoshop and Microsoft word on a distro because it ain't compliant it will probably lose market share and die out. The important thing is that developers don't have to target 10 distros, how many developers have experience in 10 distros and time to do that.
I don't see this as a big problem anymore. Take vmware as an example, closed source. Needs kernel module. Messes with init scripts. Still, I haven't tested a distro vmware doesn't run on. Gentoo as an example have vmware in portage and it don't use vmwares default installation. If vmware wasn't in portage it would probably be alot harder to install (Gentoo have it's own type of sysv init).
Now, vmware is a "high profile" program and gets lot of distro attention. But if vmware, Adobe and smaller developers can write to the same spec naturally distros will support that spec because otherwise they can't run important programs and will lose out on marketshare.
The GPL only comes in when you distribute, you can work on whatever code you like with the free version. Kind of weird if you ask me because they have per seat licences for proprietary code, but if you have a build box you should be ok as I see it.
Remember, you don't have to accept the GPL to use their code, you have to accept it when you distribute though.
I still don't understand. I can own copyright for DVD stuff if I make a DVD. I can own copyright on an OpenDocument if a write a piece. A movie studio can have a copyright on a DVD and they can have a copyright on an OpenDocument, so where is the difference?
If I break an encryption for my own document (legal in DMCA), can I now distribute that program which in turn can break the encryption on every other document using the same encryption just because I decrypted my own?
If I made a movie, got it distributed (and retained copyright), and later decrypted it using my own unlicenced DeCSS, is it now legal for me to distribute DeCSS, or what are you trying to tell me?
Can AbiWord ship a decrypter for for an Microsoft encrypter. There may be parties using the Microsoft encrypter who wouldn't aprove, because AbiWord just shipped an open source decrypter for their documents.
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If Sun as you say has the copyright on the complete program today they can relicence it in any way they want. They don't have to use only LGPL, they can even use a BSD licence. I don't see the problem.
Sure, I've been running both Linux and Windows for quite some time. And I've NEVER encountered a 1 minut swap session after closing an application in Linux. On windows it happens everyday if I run a big program like a new game (As thats what I have windows for).
I can only imagine those swap sessions on a 233Mhz machine. Linux does handle memory way better.
So, as there is no new invention here as you say, you do think it's ok to patent an ever so slightly improvement over an existing idea. In this case it seems to be "specific" gestures on a touchscreen. No one else patents gestures because only Apple thinks it's ok to patent small UI changes. They once got turned down for trying to patent the whole concept of a GUI, luckily they didn't got that one through.
I don't have to give you any examples on where Apples specific gestures are used, because most like there are none. But, Gestures are are used on a wide range of devices (From handheld videgames to webbrowsers) and are nothing new at all. Thats it.
I'm not American so maybe I just don't understand this "every thought no mather how novel should be patentable" thing. But if it works for you, good luck. In the rest of the world it would probably just stiffle innovation.
I don't see anything in that patent application for making a multipoint touch-sensitive device. All I can see is that they are free-riding on other companys devices with another software patent. Possibly making it harder for the true inventors to sell their devices because Apple patented the uses for them.
You don't see anything wrong with that?
It sound like apple "again" is taking an already established idea, enhance it by 5% and file for a patent, making it impossible for others to enhance Apples idea. Good work. I wish more companies did this so we van't have any innovation at all.
This is the same argument the RIAA used against file sharing.
Companies aren't citizens. They shouldn't be treated in the same ways and shouldn't be compared by the same standards. So my argumentation isn't like RIAA suing filesharers.
There is one big difference. If you protect with DRM and use DMCA it may very well be illegal to change to code. With a ROM it's tough luck to change it but it's not illegal and you can if you want to change the ROM chip.
But it does not grant you the right to install that modified software back on that same machine.
Of course not, but it shouldn't be illegal to do so. Even if it's practically impossible.
DRM is mostly used to create incompabilites to lock out competitors and not to protect intellectual properties. Look at FairPlay. Companies get sued to left and right for trying to be compatible with the iPod.
It has been pretty much proven that no fair DRM can be made. Not by a company anyway.
whatertight hole... Need some sleep...
FSFs arguments aren't really bad either. They just want you to be able to change the code which is under GPL in products. By wrapping GPL code in DRM and use DMCA to protect it there is legaly a whatertight hole to not let users change the GPL code in the products. This was probably not the intent of the author of said GPL code and thats why DRM is added in GPL v3. And why it's probably welcomed by most developers.
I don't care what standards apple is using, as long as the files are wrapped in proprietary DRM Microsofts solution is more "available". I'm not going to use the word "open" as neither Apples or Microsofts formats are open.
Unlike Apples solution Microsofts DRM can be licensed by anybody. This is hard fact.
Many computers bought today gets double, tripled or even quadrupled memory before the life of the computer is ended. By going 32bit Apple is dangerously close to the limit. What about 2 years from now when 2 Gig may be the standard.
Apple clearly needs to get on with the program and go 64bit very soon. They had an excellent opportunity to do it now with a fresh x86 start but they missed that boat.
Not a smart move.
If it's so easy to track my every move. Can you show me a log of what sites I've been to today? I make it easy for you, you can start the trace now and give me the log tommorow.
Or are you just talking out of your ass?
Yes, many times when debuging mailservers. It aint bad since the SMTP protocol probably where ment to be used with telnet at first.
Lets assume Dell switches to AMD because of Apple having a better deal than Dell at Intel. How much revenue could Intel lose by losing Dell? Probably a lot. It's somewhat accepted that sooner or later you will be fucked over if you deal with Apple. But boy, Apples new hardware was released today and Intel is already feeling it.
Fast work Steve. Keep it up.
Try enable "USB Legacy support" or similiar in BIOS. Has helped me every time.
It takes *serious* amounts of money to fund that sort of development staff, and it's not something you and me and a few other likeminded folks are going to be able to fund.
You are talking about a different issue. When he said he wanted a free software driver he did not said the developers working on it shouldn't be payed. Nvidia and ATI can throw 1000 paid developers on the problem for all I care and still develop a Free software driver.
Nvidia would still sell the hardware even if the driver where Free software. What good is the driver without the hardware?
Now, you would maybe say Nvidia can't open source the driver because they don't own all of it. I say bullshit, If there is a will there is a way. The will just isn't there today, but the future might change that.
Has Microsoft sued anyone for patent infringement? When?
I think you are wrong. The Gnome developers hard work is shining very bright through Ubuntu. It's very easy to use and the new Gnome mantra "less is more" is starting to bear fruit. Yast may be good but compared to the Ubuntu/Gnome control panels it's still very complex. I'm not saying they are not good or powerfull, just more complex than Gnome.
I'm usually a commandline guy, have been on Gentoo for years and too complex GUI programs just scares me away, just as it would scare away new users without computer knowledge. Ubuntu and Gnome is right on target for me and many others.
Are most players iPods? In th US maybe but probably not anywhere else. In Europe cheap flashbased players can be had for close to nothing, like $30. Just as you can get a free gun for opening a bank account in the US you are quite likely to get a no brand MP3/WMA player in Europe.
We also have nice looking non Apple MP3 players.
I recently switched to use ubuntu in my desktops (from gentoo). It's been mostly painless but there are gotchas with breezy 5.10.
Multimedia support is close to non existant. I have source installed mplayer, dvd::rip and avidemux (And a few libraries they depend on). That brought multimedia up to par with my gentoo install altough much more hassle than gentoo.
Default kernel is non preemptible which just sucks if you like me do some heavy multitasking. It's not unusual for me to have 5 mencoders or a couple of compiles going and without preemptible kernel the system is close to non responsive, the problems show up even if you only encode one movie. A kernel compile fixes the problems but some people probably don't want to recompile the kernel (Or have the skill to do so).
Default firefox is slow. For some reason the default firefox is amazingly slugish. I downloaded a new from mozilla.org and problem is fixed. Still annoying.
Gentoo has amazinlgy good documentation. Not something against ubuntu but coming from Gentoo it's a big loss.
Main reason for switching was getting a reasonably new gnome desktop with good package stability. With gentoo you have a too much of a moving system with new releases of packages way too often and too inconsistently. So far ubuntu has been great in that regard.
All in all it's one of the best desktop distros right now.
It doesn't matter if distros follow them. If you can't run say Adobe photoshop and Microsoft word on a distro because it ain't compliant it will probably lose market share and die out. The important thing is that developers don't have to target 10 distros, how many developers have experience in 10 distros and time to do that.
I don't see this as a big problem anymore. Take vmware as an example, closed source. Needs kernel module. Messes with init scripts. Still, I haven't tested a distro vmware doesn't run on. Gentoo as an example have vmware in portage and it don't use vmwares default installation. If vmware wasn't in portage it would probably be alot harder to install (Gentoo have it's own type of sysv init).
Now, vmware is a "high profile" program and gets lot of distro attention. But if vmware, Adobe and smaller developers can write to the same spec naturally distros will support that spec because otherwise they can't run important programs and will lose out on marketshare.
I see, smart move. Thanks.
The GPL only comes in when you distribute, you can work on whatever code you like with the free version. Kind of weird if you ask me because they have per seat licences for proprietary code, but if you have a build box you should be ok as I see it.
Remember, you don't have to accept the GPL to use their code, you have to accept it when you distribute though.
Anybody care to clarify Trolltechs thinking here?
I still don't understand. I can own copyright for DVD stuff if I make a DVD. I can own copyright on an OpenDocument if a write a piece. A movie studio can have a copyright on a DVD and they can have a copyright on an OpenDocument, so where is the difference?
If I break an encryption for my own document (legal in DMCA), can I now distribute that program which in turn can break the encryption on every other document using the same encryption just because I decrypted my own?
If I made a movie, got it distributed (and retained copyright), and later decrypted it using my own unlicenced DeCSS, is it now legal for me to distribute DeCSS, or what are you trying to tell me?
Can AbiWord ship a decrypter for for an Microsoft encrypter. There may be parties using the Microsoft encrypter who wouldn't aprove, because AbiWord just shipped an open source decrypter for their documents.