Fred,
A slashdot post? You left on... and they are just NOW figuring it out. Oh wait I can't say that. Shit, I work for... Oh yea the rumor is Fred...
Wow, does this mean Fred has Allan Cox, Linus, Eric Raymond, Jordan Hubbard status?
Does this mean Fred will go for Advogato grand-master from master.
This means I have to go bitch directly Matt instead of you! Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Apple has been on of the best at supporting multiple languages over the years. In public beta for Mac OS X, if someone sent me a email in Chinese. Mail.app (Mac OS X's built in mail reader) would display those languages in Chinese charachters. I also saw this with Russian, and Japanese.
What was really cool was when I initially opened the app. And it gave me a listing. The from field would display the charachters in natively. Not jarbled, and unlike windows. No language pack's to install. Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Netinfo is not the only way to administrate OS X remotley. This was true of OS X server, and public beta.
OS X is the power of Unix, with the ease of use of a Mac. ==Unix that runs MS Office. Cheers,
Tomas
===========
I think we have to take into account that Apple is 95% open source. Closed source things are generally items that they have collaborated with other companies on. Things like quartz which contains things (I am assuming) licensed from Adobe. Or Quicktime which lies in patent and licensed code mine field. Apple is trying to walk the line between two worlds. IMHO is doing quite well. Darwin has been a smashing success for them! Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Linux has a great installed base then the Mac? Oh that is good. That is real good. Out of the 40 million Mac's still in use today.
You must of read the book how to lie with statistics.
But seriously..How do people get numbers on the installed base of Linux? Are they linux users just becuase the have a dual partition with Windows, and RedHat and or Mac and LinuxPPC. I know lots of people who have installed Linux. That doesn't mean they are using it. It is more of a curosity. On the server end it is a different story. Linux sucess has been at the server level. Mac's sucess has been on the desktop. With OSX, Mac's will have the power of a SGI or Sun workstation.
Mac's also run Microsoft Office. If you compare Star Office MS Office you are comparing a single engine Cessna, to a Learjet.
Mac OS X = Unix running Microsoft Office. Once the GTK port to Quartz is done I wont even need to have a Linux partion anymore. Cheers,
Tomas
===========
I have heard people say dealing with different IBM divisions is like dealing with different companies. Each division is a profit and loss center and therefore responsible for itself. No divison is expected to carry itself. Remember, IBM makes just about everything: Cash registers, parts for calculators, chip fabs, motherboards, ram, etc.
Therefore it is not suprising that IBM wont support FreeBSD. There are the internal products. Then there is the issue of even minimal support for FreeBSD. When IBM supports something. It really supports something. IBM doesn't have the resources to support ever Linux distro, and *BSD distro out there. Cheers,
Tomas
===========
AFS's motto is one world, one file system. AFS literally allows you to export your file system securely across the net. TO as many people or anonymous users as you want. AFS has a great caching mechanism. Which means unlike NFS, it works great over WANS. It uses Kerberos for security. So the security model is proven. Microsoft sunk 20 million into MIT to enhance kerberos, and develop the implementation for Win 2000. We have MS's endorsement of a Unix compatible authentication mechanism. Along with Sun, Red Hat, and others are making noise about Kerberos support. This AFS thing could be huge. Imagine a potential for sharing information potential ten times what Napsters is. Imagine this, you cd to/afs and their are hundreds of file systems and with information at your finger tips. Like having a copy of various ftp distribution sites mounted as file systems on your machine.
Other features include: Mount read only snap shots for redundancy, universal name space, and enhanced ACL's.
Nothing else out their touch's it. Not Coda, or Arla. Both of which are not stable enough for production use.
With AFS finally open source, we should see lots of enhancements. And use by GPL-pro, and pro-bsd entities alike.
The IBM style license is more friendly to commercial entities then the GPL. That way they can get other operating system makers to adopt AFS client, and spread the use of AFS.
AFS, one world, one filesystem. It rocks. Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Bruce, or someone else correct me if I am wrong.
Isn't there an ongoing argument between LInus, and RMS about whether dynamic kernel loadable modules are covered under the GPL. RMS of course thinks so, and Linus doesn't. I heard this second hand, so I don't know if it is true or not.
Or is this what the exception in the GPL is you were talking about earlier.
As for removing that exception. Great, so GPL3 will take free software to a new level of arrogance.
I have heard from a couple of attorney's in corporate america from software, and non-software companies alike. That the GPL couldn't be enforced in court, or would loose in some cases. No software company wants to go that far because of the PR disaster it would create. Cheers,
WFE
===========
One poster who's post I lost track of pointed out that Debian uses crypt instead of MD5.
Crypt is compatible with other Unix's. This would provide a easier time migrating passwd files, and shadow files.
Second, isn't MD5 just a checksum algorithim? I mean why not use blowfish which is actually meant to encrypt something. With little processser over head.
Debian, could get a little more credibility if it would post a formal security review before each release. Something along the lines of 'hey we have done a security audit. Here is a log of the patch's we have applied. And measures we have taken.' Cheers,
WFE
===========
FWL makes no sense. People charge for CD's. Therefore it can't be free can it? Some distribution methods are free? Others are not?
Apple's Darwin is free. RedHat sells distributions of Linux with add ons that you cannot download. You have to purchase that distribution. So does it not qualify? Cheers,
WFE
===========
Sun Micro, has a modified Kerberos server that can intoperate with AD. The product is called SEAM. Look it up on there web site. I beleive it is a bundled free product with Solaris. Cheers,
WFE
===========
I know Oracle does. THough they have this nice habit of going out of their way to tell you to change it.
What about Sybase, Informix, and DB2 that are among some of the heavyweights of the industry. Cheers,
WFE
===========
With all this press I am hearing people saying that they would switch to MS Office in a second. Becuase is such a highly capable product. Feature rich, and a industry cross platform standard.
Sorry RMS/GNU, peoples overiding reason for using Linux isn't that is Open Source. It is because it is cheap, and it works well!!!!!!!
MS Office, may not be cheap. But hey, it works well doesn't it!!!! Cheers,
WFE
===========
Assuming that only 5 million to 10 million of the 30 million or so Mac users. (Yes there are that many. A conservative number.) Then a commercial Unix vendor will suddenly have a huge market to exploit. That will be much less effort to port then a Unix -> windows port. There will be commercial and free ports of X which will take the work out of doing the GUI. Mac OS X is also totally POSIX compliant . A added bonus. For free programmers, and commercial vendors alike this will provide a exciting oppurtunity to expand there user bases, and give there users another option. Cheers, WFE ===========
Hemos in his original post mentions that he has seen stats on unauthorized wire taps. Where are these stats? How were they compiled? What was there methodology? How do they define a unauthorized wire tap? One with out a court order, or one where the evidence was much more murky. I make this point, because you should be equally paranoid of both ends of the stick. "People are stupid, persons are smart." - Men in Black (the movie) Cheers, WFE ===========
If only everyone was that cooperative. Get real, Cops loose real crooks every day when they raid a house and hear the toliet flush. Cheers, WFE ===========
People used them. I remember on the Real Basic page announcing that there app was 95% carbonized . So they only had to redo 5% of the code. That is a very new app too. Only a couple of years old. Cheers, WFE ===========
Here is a quick run down of OS X: Aqua: Advanced HI . Puts anything else out there to shame. Carbon: Mac OS - 10% of the troublesome API's. Apple to a hard look at the Mac OS and discovered that about 10% of the API's were holding them back and causing 95% of the problems. They axed these 10% , and companies like Adobe were able with 1 developer carbonize photoshop in three weeks. Cocoa: High level API's, Apple wants developers to write to these because it will mean the least amount of work in taking advantage of many advantages of the OS such as multithreading. These API's are clean, and Apples development tools kick ass for OS X! Mach Kernel/BSD/POSIX: As is the ruff definition of a micro kernel architecture. You have a micro kernel sitting below a monolithic kernel. Mach is the Micro Kernel, and FreeBSD is the monolithic kernel in this case. Apple has said there point of reference in the BSD world is FreeBSD. That is why at WWDC FreeBSD group announced a port to the PowerPC. Apple doesn't have the desire or the time to invest in official POSIX compliance certification. They have said that if your POSIX compliant app doesn't compile on there system . Let them know about it. What does this mean for the portability of OS X apps such as MS Office? If they write to COCOA as MS will probably do. It will not be very portable. MS has said that the first release will just be a carbon app, but the later ones will be rewritten to take advantage of COCOA. Cheers, WFE ===========
They had over 50% after the first round, they dropped way down after the second round. This article hits everything right on the button. I don't see all the former linuxcare employees chiming in this time around. I hope they succeed. If they don't , it will be a good case study of a high profile startup gone bad. Cheers, WFE ===========
Last May, when Fernand was new on the job, he DID fire the then-reigning IT manager in part for allegations of discrimination (including racist and sexist remarks). So I know Fernand can do what's best for the company despite any human, personal failings. I was brought on by that IT manager. And he was not fired. He wasn't even asked to leave. Fernand wanted him to stay on board. He wanted a good manager, and that was SM was. He left on his own accord. He was not accused of being discriminatory or racist by Fernaind. Cheers, WFE ===========
I definitley agree with you on the budget concious, and direction. Desktop support was something of a week point. I hoped Pat can bring things together. I never knew her. I have known alot of good Pat's though. Hopefully with her business since, and Art's people skills and vision they can turn that outfit around. I am not sure NT laptops were the solution. Give people what they want! If it is a dual boot NT, and Linux laptop then so be it. Or Mac and Linux! What some people don't get is that Linux can't do everything. Alot of things, but not everything. Desktops being one of them. The previous IT manager was a good guy. I liked him. I felt he had gotten screwed.
Here at Apple we have a very nice mix. Cheers, WFE ===========
"Red Hat has a larger market share than Apple yet Red Hat is trading at 1/4 what Apple is."
For all those who criticize the press for infactual information, please get your posts correct. Linux has 25% marketshare in the SERVER market. A high margin, but relativley small market. Overall Linux has between 3-5% of overall marketshare. Apples total market share has increased to about 7-10%. These numbers vary on who you talk to, dataquest, pcdata, etc.
Red hat doesn't have a larger market share then Apple in the overall market. In the server market yes, everywhere else, no!! Cheers, WFE ===========
Having worked there, I know the corporate directive was use what you know to get the job done. You don't give the CEO's secretary a linux box with GNOME. Nor do you give a graphic artist red hat box with gimp, when he has been using photoshop all his life. Cheers, WFE ===========
Slashdot Mirror
Fred, A slashdot post? You left on ... and they are just NOW figuring it out. Oh wait I can't say that. Shit, I work for... Oh yea the rumor is Fred...
Wow, does this mean Fred has Allan Cox, Linus, Eric Raymond, Jordan Hubbard status?
Does this mean Fred will go for Advogato grand-master from master.
This means I have to go bitch directly Matt instead of you!
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Apple has been on of the best at supporting multiple languages over the years. In public beta for Mac OS X, if someone sent me a email in Chinese. Mail.app (Mac OS X's built in mail reader) would display those languages in Chinese charachters. I also saw this with Russian, and Japanese. What was really cool was when I initially opened the app. And it gave me a listing. The from field would display the charachters in natively. Not jarbled, and unlike windows. No language pack's to install.
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Netinfo is not the only way to administrate OS X remotley. This was true of OS X server, and public beta. OS X is the power of Unix, with the ease of use of a Mac. ==Unix that runs MS Office.
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
I think we have to take into account that Apple is 95% open source. Closed source things are generally items that they have collaborated with other companies on. Things like quartz which contains things (I am assuming) licensed from Adobe. Or Quicktime which lies in patent and licensed code mine field. Apple is trying to walk the line between two worlds. IMHO is doing quite well. Darwin has been a smashing success for them!
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Linux has a great installed base then the Mac? Oh that is good. That is real good. Out of the 40 million Mac's still in use today. You must of read the book how to lie with statistics. But seriously..How do people get numbers on the installed base of Linux? Are they linux users just becuase the have a dual partition with Windows, and RedHat and or Mac and LinuxPPC. I know lots of people who have installed Linux. That doesn't mean they are using it. It is more of a curosity. On the server end it is a different story. Linux sucess has been at the server level. Mac's sucess has been on the desktop. With OSX, Mac's will have the power of a SGI or Sun workstation. Mac's also run Microsoft Office. If you compare Star Office MS Office you are comparing a single engine Cessna, to a Learjet. Mac OS X = Unix running Microsoft Office. Once the GTK port to Quartz is done I wont even need to have a Linux partion anymore.
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
I have heard people say dealing with different IBM divisions is like dealing with different companies. Each division is a profit and loss center and therefore responsible for itself. No divison is expected to carry itself. Remember, IBM makes just about everything: Cash registers, parts for calculators, chip fabs, motherboards, ram, etc. Therefore it is not suprising that IBM wont support FreeBSD. There are the internal products. Then there is the issue of even minimal support for FreeBSD. When IBM supports something. It really supports something. IBM doesn't have the resources to support ever Linux distro, and *BSD distro out there.
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Guys one of you is talking about a interstate route, and other is talking about a state route.
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
AFS's motto is one world, one file system. AFS literally allows you to export your file system securely across the net. TO as many people or anonymous users as you want. AFS has a great caching mechanism. Which means unlike NFS, it works great over WANS. It uses Kerberos for security. So the security model is proven. Microsoft sunk 20 million into MIT to enhance kerberos, and develop the implementation for Win 2000. We have MS's endorsement of a Unix compatible authentication mechanism. Along with Sun, Red Hat, and others are making noise about Kerberos support. This AFS thing could be huge. Imagine a potential for sharing information potential ten times what Napsters is. Imagine this, you cd to /afs and their are hundreds of file systems and with information at your finger tips. Like having a copy of various ftp distribution sites mounted as file systems on your machine.
Other features include: Mount read only snap shots for redundancy, universal name space, and enhanced ACL's.
Nothing else out their touch's it. Not Coda, or Arla. Both of which are not stable enough for production use.
With AFS finally open source, we should see lots of enhancements. And use by GPL-pro, and pro-bsd entities alike.
One world one file system.
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
The IBM style license is more friendly to commercial entities then the GPL. That way they can get other operating system makers to adopt AFS client, and spread the use of AFS. AFS, one world, one filesystem. It rocks.
Cheers,
Tomas
===========
Bruce, or someone else correct me if I am wrong. Isn't there an ongoing argument between LInus, and RMS about whether dynamic kernel loadable modules are covered under the GPL. RMS of course thinks so, and Linus doesn't. I heard this second hand, so I don't know if it is true or not. Or is this what the exception in the GPL is you were talking about earlier. As for removing that exception. Great, so GPL3 will take free software to a new level of arrogance. I have heard from a couple of attorney's in corporate america from software, and non-software companies alike. That the GPL couldn't be enforced in court, or would loose in some cases. No software company wants to go that far because of the PR disaster it would create.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
One poster who's post I lost track of pointed out that Debian uses crypt instead of MD5. Crypt is compatible with other Unix's. This would provide a easier time migrating passwd files, and shadow files. Second, isn't MD5 just a checksum algorithim? I mean why not use blowfish which is actually meant to encrypt something. With little processser over head. Debian, could get a little more credibility if it would post a formal security review before each release. Something along the lines of 'hey we have done a security audit. Here is a log of the patch's we have applied. And measures we have taken.'
Cheers,
WFE
===========
FWL makes no sense. People charge for CD's. Therefore it can't be free can it? Some distribution methods are free? Others are not? Apple's Darwin is free. RedHat sells distributions of Linux with add ons that you cannot download. You have to purchase that distribution. So does it not qualify?
Cheers,
WFE
===========
Sun Micro, has a modified Kerberos server that can intoperate with AD. The product is called SEAM. Look it up on there web site. I beleive it is a bundled free product with Solaris.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
I know Oracle does. THough they have this nice habit of going out of their way to tell you to change it. What about Sybase, Informix, and DB2 that are among some of the heavyweights of the industry.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
With all this press I am hearing people saying that they would switch to MS Office in a second. Becuase is such a highly capable product. Feature rich, and a industry cross platform standard. Sorry RMS/GNU, peoples overiding reason for using Linux isn't that is Open Source. It is because it is cheap, and it works well!!!!!!! MS Office, may not be cheap. But hey, it works well doesn't it!!!!
Cheers,
WFE
===========
Assuming that only 5 million to 10 million of the 30 million or so Mac users. (Yes there are that many. A conservative number.) Then a commercial Unix vendor will suddenly have a huge market to exploit. That will be much less effort to port then a Unix -> windows port. There will be commercial and free ports of X which will take the work out of doing the GUI. Mac OS X is also totally POSIX compliant . A added bonus. For free programmers, and commercial vendors alike this will provide a exciting oppurtunity to expand there user bases, and give there users another option.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
Hemos in his original post mentions that he has seen stats on unauthorized wire taps. Where are these stats? How were they compiled? What was there methodology? How do they define a unauthorized wire tap? One with out a court order, or one where the evidence was much more murky. I make this point, because you should be equally paranoid of both ends of the stick. "People are stupid, persons are smart." - Men in Black (the movie)
Cheers,
WFE
===========
If only everyone was that cooperative. Get real, Cops loose real crooks every day when they raid a house and hear the toliet flush.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
People used them. I remember on the Real Basic page announcing that there app was 95% carbonized . So they only had to redo 5% of the code. That is a very new app too. Only a couple of years old.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
Here is a quick run down of OS X: Aqua: Advanced HI . Puts anything else out there to shame. Carbon: Mac OS - 10% of the troublesome API's. Apple to a hard look at the Mac OS and discovered that about 10% of the API's were holding them back and causing 95% of the problems. They axed these 10% , and companies like Adobe were able with 1 developer carbonize photoshop in three weeks. Cocoa: High level API's, Apple wants developers to write to these because it will mean the least amount of work in taking advantage of many advantages of the OS such as multithreading. These API's are clean, and Apples development tools kick ass for OS X! Mach Kernel/BSD/POSIX: As is the ruff definition of a micro kernel architecture. You have a micro kernel sitting below a monolithic kernel. Mach is the Micro Kernel, and FreeBSD is the monolithic kernel in this case. Apple has said there point of reference in the BSD world is FreeBSD. That is why at WWDC FreeBSD group announced a port to the PowerPC. Apple doesn't have the desire or the time to invest in official POSIX compliance certification. They have said that if your POSIX compliant app doesn't compile on there system . Let them know about it. What does this mean for the portability of OS X apps such as MS Office? If they write to COCOA as MS will probably do. It will not be very portable. MS has said that the first release will just be a carbon app, but the later ones will be rewritten to take advantage of COCOA.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
They had over 50% after the first round, they dropped way down after the second round. This article hits everything right on the button. I don't see all the former linuxcare employees chiming in this time around. I hope they succeed. If they don't , it will be a good case study of a high profile startup gone bad.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
Last May, when Fernand was new on the job, he DID fire the then-reigning IT manager in part for allegations of discrimination (including racist and sexist remarks). So I know Fernand can do what's best for the company despite any human, personal failings. I was brought on by that IT manager. And he was not fired. He wasn't even asked to leave. Fernand wanted him to stay on board. He wanted a good manager, and that was SM was. He left on his own accord. He was not accused of being discriminatory or racist by Fernaind.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
I definitley agree with you on the budget concious, and direction. Desktop support was something of a week point.
I hoped Pat can bring things together. I never knew her. I have known alot of good Pat's though. Hopefully with her business since, and Art's people skills and vision they can turn that outfit around.
I am not sure NT laptops were the solution. Give people what they want! If it is a dual boot NT, and Linux laptop then so be it. Or Mac and Linux! What some people don't get is that Linux can't do everything. Alot of things, but not everything. Desktops being one of them.
The previous IT manager was a good guy. I liked him. I felt he had gotten screwed.
Here at Apple we have a very nice mix.
Cheers,
WFE
===========
"Red Hat has a larger market share than Apple yet Red Hat is trading at 1/4 what Apple is."
For all those who criticize the press for infactual information, please get your posts correct. Linux has 25% marketshare in the SERVER market. A high margin, but relativley small market.
Overall Linux has between 3-5% of overall marketshare. Apples total market share has increased to about 7-10%. These numbers vary on who you talk to, dataquest, pcdata, etc.
Red hat doesn't have a larger market share then Apple in the overall market. In the server market yes, everywhere else, no!!
Cheers,
WFE
===========
Having worked there, I know the corporate directive was use what you know to get the job done. You don't give the CEO's secretary a linux box with GNOME. Nor do you give a graphic artist red hat box with gimp, when he has been using photoshop all his life.
Cheers,
WFE
===========