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Wilfredo Sanchez Leaves Apple
An unnamed correspondent writes: "At least, that's the rumor on the street. Wonder what this will
mean for Apple's Darwin project?" The rumor is confirmed, boys and girls, Wilfredo Sanchez has indeed left Apple. A statement is on his Advogato page; apparently he has gone to KnowNow. Sanchez says on that page too that he'll still be involved with Darwin maintaining Apache and Perl for that platform.
Two bucks he gets moderated down. *snickers*
>Amelio screwed up, but he also cut the crap out of Apple and basically did all the dirty work
I was an engineer at Apple (yeah, IL5, 4th floor) at this time and I can tell you what you have written is complete and utter BULLSHIT. Sorry, you're not allowed to argue after spewing this billious crap, just apologize. And think before you post on a subject about which you are completely ignorant.
TIA!
The politics issue at Apple all boils down to this jackass. The NeXT takeover (and yes, it was NeXT that effectively, de-facto took over Apple, not the other way around) created a huge culture clash between the Apple people and the NeXT people. It probably would have all settled down by now if it weren't for Avie. He just won't budge on anything. Any software features that weren't invented at NeXT are considered "bad", and he doesn't want it in the system unless developers and/or customers beg and plead with Apple to keep them, and even then they are only kept in a half-assed way. Design guidlines/conventions that Apple has followed for years are routinely flaunted, apparently for no other reason than to avoid doing things the Apple way, since again, that is considered "bad". Avie never listens to anybody, never even attempts to understand what customers and developers want, and is a thoroughly arrogant jerk. If it weren't for him, things would be running a lot more smoothly at Apple.
So-- "Enabling the 2-way web." Why does the web site have only 2 pages?
I'm hoping Know-Now is going to make good use of him.
Microsoft is to software what Budweiser is to beer.
Interesting that this post got mod'd up to 5 when it is blatantly off-topic.
What does KnowNow do?
Pursuing a doctorate degree at UC, Irvine.
/mill
http://www.ics.uci.edu/~rohit/
There has always been this internal conflict in the Darwin message. Apple told us it could do an Open Source OS, and reserve a proprietary GUI which runs atop it. They (Wilfredo) even said the OS would run on x86. That might make sense in the abstract, but in practical terms it quickly runs into trouble. If I build Darwin source and start it running ... what GUI can I put on top? On some models of Macs I might be able to shift the Mac OS X GUI on top of my Darwin, but that certainly wouldn't be possible on x86. On x86 the obvious choice is X/Windows, which leads to Gnome or KDE ... and suddenly Apple is supporting an OS that supports a competing (and Open) GUI framework. Something had to give ...
Wait ... you used to work for Apple??
It could change, but with the APSL changing towards being less encumbering rather than more encumbring, with more projects added to Darwin, and with all the publicity so far, I find it hard to believe that it would change in the near future.
Russell Ahrens
Especially since this isn't even really *about* MOSX. Whatever.
Why doesn't /. have a "Free Software Personality" category? That way, when Alan Cox drinks a glass of orange juice in the morning, we'll have an appropriate topic to place the story under.
C'mon Tom, you worked there with me and your login is "AIXadmin." Gimme a break. Last I heard you were at Apple.
Besides, you knew at the time that I *preferred* MacOS X Server - I just realized it was only a pragmatic choice for one hardware platform.
I still love Linux, work with it every day. But it doesn't have the warm fuzzy appeal that MacOS X has -- and I doubt it ever will.
_Deirdre
Yea, I have AIXamin because I have absolutley no originallity. Plus, 8 years ago I started off on AIX 3.x. So I suppose I am being nostalgic. How is Rick? You and Rick, were always much more pragmatic abou the whole licensing issue , and OS perspective then , the red headed guy whose name just had a senior moment in my head. Oh well. I don't think you will be disapointed with OS X. How is BE?
Cheers,
Tomas
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Fred, A slashdot post? You left on ... and they are just NOW figuring it out. Oh wait I can't say that. Shit, I work for... Oh yea the rumor is Fred...
Wow, does this mean Fred has Allan Cox, Linus, Eric Raymond, Jordan Hubbard status?
Does this mean Fred will go for Advogato grand-master from master.
This means I have to go bitch directly Matt instead of you!
Cheers,
Tomas
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_Deirde, And you worked at LinuxCare? Is this sacrilgous! Wait I did too. I am using the latest build. And it has .. and ... and oh yea ...
Are you and Rick now newlyweds?
Way to make such a strong statement about switching on such a pro-linux forum. I will still keep Linuxppc on my other partition. But, I will not use it nearly as much.
Cheers,
Tomas
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You are misinformed. OS X doesn't require 3 letter extenions.
Cheers,
Tomas
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Yeah, he was at Apachecon in London, he had to leave BSDcon early to get there ;-) As one of the active contributers on the Darwin project I have to say it is ashame to see him leave Apple, but if he is doing something he wants to be doing then I am happy for him.
Louis
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His presence at Apple will be missed. Goodbye, and farewell "Chez"
Is this the first time a first post got a +5, or what?
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Macslash has it.
You forgot my "I love Katy"! We simple can NOT overlook my lovely Katy! :-)
Man is born free; and everywhere he is in chains.
great (new?) resume objective -- a desire to
partake of "a scenario where politics doesn't
get in the way of getting Real Work done", from:
http://www.mit.edu/people/wsanchez/resume/
was this goal added post-apple but pre-knownow?
From: Wilfredo Sanchez
w in -development
Date: Mon Feb 12, 2001 11:55:52 PM US/Eastern
To: Darwin Development
Subject: In case you haven't heard
You may have noticed that my email now tends to come from MIT instead of Apple.
I no longer work at Apple. I now work for a company called KnowNow. My last day at Apple was Friday 2/2.
You may also have noticed that I've since then helped Chuck import cscope, fixed a nasty in mod_perl, fixed up libtool some because I'm porting (Apache) APRlib to Darwin and tweak flex to install libfl.a as a link to libl.a. You might therefore come to the conclusion that my involvement with Darwin is not exactly over, and you would be correct.
For what it's worth, I've left those things I can no longer reach in good and capable hands; I couldn't have left them otherwise. As the one guy on "Dark Angel" says: "It's all good, all the time."
Pleasant hacking,
-Fred
Wilfredo Sanchez - wsanchez@mit.edu
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darwin-development@lists.apple.com
http://www.lists.apple.com/mailman/listinfo/dar
ROCK ON FRED!
He also was (is?) listed as a committer on NetBSD.
And gave patched back to OpenBSD also.
If it was said on slashdot, it MUST be true!
It that the guy who was at the Apache Conference back in Octoboer 2000 in London ?
Dudle
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This has to be the shortest - on topic first post ever.
Stupid Cheap Guitars
go away troll
you missed out the 3 people who will claim that Apple stole the GUI from Xerox
"1) Connecting from an old Mac to the X box using FileSharing over TCP/IP caused the Mach kernel's AFP layer to harf. To get the service going again, I had to restart (kernel services being a bummer that way). This was a known limitation; I just didn't know it."
Isn't that because the X box is made by Microsoft?
Such is the infinite Grace of Popeye.
it's my guess that they've either got something that finally implements the ideals of the web well enough that they can think they can make lots of money from their implementation of open technology and use of open standards (after all, Sanchez is still "Open Source Manager" or something) or...
but i know nothing.
Not that this is really all that bad. I can see something happening where Apple needs to integrate some secret code into the OS X kernel that they can't release into Darwin. It will enable some feature that everyone will want or some people in the industry will demand (e.g., a digital rights management module that can't be tampered with). Of course, anyone who's running the Darwin open-source kernel will be out of luck.
Now, you could say "they could release it as a binary loadable kernel module that would work with Darwin". But they wouldn't, probably, since if it ran in the open source Darwin kernel, then someone could write a module that could intercept and override the DRM module.
It's what will happen, probably.
Cryptnotic
My other first post is car post.
like when gil amelio drove the poor company damn near into the ground? screw that. that fat tub of crap, and scully did little, if anything to help apple. feh
you obviously werent an apple user during those dark years. I almost wasnt as well
Time for some tasty Shiner Bock!
In another note, can I get an article at SlashDote when I leave my company?
Upon seeing the box was too small, Schrodinger's Elephant breathed a sigh of relief.
MIT alumni have e-mail forwarding for life if they desire http://web.mit.edu/alum, so having your e-mail come from mit.edu is not necessarily a sign of change. (And now you MIT people can remind everybody forever that you're just so cool...)
I'm giving up my ability to moderate this thread by posting, so listen up! For those of you who don't understand why this got modded up, go read the end of the FreeBSD FAQ. It has a whole segment on "How many FreeBSD Programmers does it take to change a Lightbulb?". The AC is doing a cheap impression of this joke. Go check it out at www.freebsd.org.
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The Objective section of his updated resume seems to sum up his objections with Apple.
Ok, with hard feeling, we acknowledge your departure and accept the fact.
But we still want to know the reason behind your guys' departure. Is there a dark-hand behind all these?
Please?
This is worse than the BSD colour scheme.
Oh, wait, it *is* the BSD color scheme. Hah bloody hah.
Duh! As someone who's been running OSX since DP3 I think I have a little perspective on this. They've acheived what they wanted because now they have a product ready to ship, the only thing that begins on march 24th are a series of slipshod patches and knee-jerk reactions to media criticism. Yes, Darwin is the core of OSX, enough was developed on that platform to further the development of OSX itself. Look at Apple's history of sudden abandonment of their projects and then tell me to inform myself.
Don't park drunk, accidents cause people.
why keep Darwin around after it served it's purpose?
Don't park drunk, accidents cause people.
With brilliant material like this, why post AC?
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My boss said he wanted to see more of me. So I gained 12 pounds. This post may or may not be sarcastic.
Only if it gets moderated down.
My boss said he wanted to see more of me. So I gained 12 pounds. This post may or may not be sarcastic.
HEY!
A BSD discussion just isn't complete without one of these, keep up the good work! (sarc).
It's almost never unreasonable to attack Apple.
1. 1/30 @pp13 sux0rs 2da M@X!
2. 1/40 So now fix the shitty one button mouse
3. 1/20 Now maybe they'll oem their hardware and port OSX to Intel
4. 1/10 BSD doesn't go well with peanut butter
5. Not in (14) - who's rich enuff to use Apple anyway?
6. Not in 10-30 - Are they advertising the job?
7. 1/1 - how can they ever ship another product, I for one will be using my Lisa for landfill
**Vanuatu or bust**
The only people I know using it are geeks. Is it doing OK? I used to be a big mac guy before Linux.
Republicans are Nazis. LetsRiot!
That was written pre-Apple.
It's funny how you have so much time on your hands to comment about someone you've probably never met. What contributions have you made to this world?
what a horrible breach of protocol. And with a sub-100000 user number, you should know better. Appropriate first post comments would be:
best of luck.
Well considering that Apple spent 10 years with both thumbs it's ass when it was supposed to be building a modern operating system, I can believe they would resent the man brought in to make sure they do their job this time.
Apple had some great UI people, but the ideology there was that the 1984 Way was the best Way, but sometimes to get a new shiny thing on the shelf that people will migrate to (not "upgrade to"), you have to break some eggs.
The irony of your flame is that most of the UI bitching I've seen is from the NeXT crowd, not the Mac users. (The biggest Mac user bitch seems to be the lack of a Control Strip, and that could be emulated with the Dock without much effort.)
I believe the expression is "w00t!"
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Actually, one programmer can make all the difference. Studies have shown that some star programmers are ten times as productive as other programmers.
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My sincerest apologies. I will try to do better next time.
Post-Disney and pre-Apple.
Apple actually did a hell of a lot better after he wasn't there to screw things up anymore.
The story doesn't matter much to Mac users, because Darwin is a "fringe" product from their perspective. One Darwin engineer leaving Apple's payroll does not impact the future of OS X very much.
The story is of interest to the Linux-ish crowd because Darwin is YAFUC (Yet Another Free Unix Clone). Once OS X ships, it will probably become the most-used BSD-based OS in the world within a matter of months, and since Darwin is a Free-Beer-Free-Speech spin-off built with the same kernel, a lot of BSD hackers are going to be interested in it.
Information wants to be anthropomorphized.
If I ever saw BSD running on a fruity translucent box, I'd run like hell too. And if I had a gun, I'd empty the clip shooting at the damned thing!
"Ancillary does not mean you get to rule the world." --U.S. Circuit Judge Harry Edwards, speaking to the FCC's lawyer
One developer leaving would not affect the continuity of an entire Operating System as it is often a team of developers who create it and not a sole entity. Recall when Steve left Apple, it was not the end of the world for Apple and they did well for their core audience.
Developers who leave may hinder a faster progress date but they would not jeapordize a project. Think about it you have a team of developers who work on a project and any company who would be moronic enough to have a sole person in charge of the whole thing would be ludicrous. People come and go daily in Sillycone Valley, yet you don't see companies falling as fast.
It is better to be feared than loved
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Good job they went stealth, buzzwords this dense could easily have ripped space-time.
Advocates of Freehand and Illustrator have some nasty flame wars, but you don't see them dropping developers' names like fashion slaves talking about designers.
To: Darwin Development
Subject: In case you haven't heard
You may have noticed that my email now tends to come from MIT instead of Apple.
I no longer work at Apple. I now work for a company called KnowNow.
My last day at Apple was Friday 2/2.
You may also have noticed that I've since then helped Chuck import cscope, fixed a nasty in mod_perl, fixed up libtool some because I'm porting (Apache) APRlib to Darwin and tweak flex to install libfl.a as a link to libl.a. You might therefore come to the conclusion that my involvement with Darwin is not exactly over, and you would be correct.
For what it's worth, I've left those things I can no longer reach in good and capable hands; I couldn't have left them otherwise. As the one guy on "Dark Angel" says: "It's all good, all the time."
Pleasant hacking,
-Fred
Wilfredo Sanchez - wsanchez@mit.edu
"Please don't sigh like that, maam"
Their actual page seems to be like that of Transmeta pre-2000... but the Google cache works wonders.
There's 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Yep.
Wilfredo Sanchez still has commit access on FreeBSD and Darwin, so even if he's gone to work for someone else, he still has the power to effect the code of major projects.
Provided that FreeBSD remains as popular in the server market, and provided that Apple continues to integrate improvments in Darwin into their commercial release of OsX, then I expect we'll be seeing more work from Wilfredo Sanchez in the products we use.
No cause for alarm.
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The free software world has this habit of latching on to whichever developer brings himself to their attention. Just try to explain to people that Jamie Zawinski didn't singlehandedly write Navigator or that Jason Haas isn't doing PowerPC Linux entirely on his own.
Again, no disrespect to Wilfredo (or JWZ or Jason, for that matter). I know he was extremely important in OS X development. But this sort of "Stop the presses! RASTER QUIT HIS JOB AT RED HAT!" mentality strikes me as more appropriate for Tiger Beat.