I can't speak for Mr. Graham, but I know my friends and I all use Macs, and always have. I've actually never seen any of my friends buy a new PC. Of course, I live in Brooklyn; prevailing attitudes towards operating systems must surely differ in red-state East Jesus...
Uh, what makes you think we Mac users care about being mainstream? The Mac's relative obscurity hasn't kept us from buying Macs for the past 20-some years.
It's not about making it look better, it's about making it behave better. This is the "feel" part of "look and feel," and something you Linux fanatics have never understood, as evidenced by your longtime habit of copypasting OS X screenshots to your desktop of the moment and braying "it's just like a Mac!"
Those desktop ripoffs you linked to, by the way, look like shit. I don't even want to ponder how they feel.
Yeah? Well, in my experience, the smartest people I know happen to be Mac users, and they all have a diversity of interests and skills. At least they were smart enough to buy Macs instead of suffering under foolishly consistent systems designed by little minds like you.
Don't look to dorks for subtlety. Especially not the kind of dorks who don't understand why people would rather use Macs than fuck around endlessly with AUTOEXEC.BAT.
All true, but then, Windows doesn't give you a way to zoom a window to an appropriate size. You have to grab the tiny (tinier than a Mac's, even!) handle on the corner of the window, etc.
FWIW, I believe the zoom button in Excel does, in fact, blow up the window to fill the screen. In Photoshop, I just hit the "F" key or click the fullscreen button in the palette.
That's the zoom button. There's no maximize button in OS X because, well... honestly, I can't think of a situation where I'd want to maximize to full screen, outside the rare situations where maximize already exists (DVD Player, QuickTime Player, etc.). I'd feel confined, quite frankly. Trapped. It'd be sort of like that windows-within-window prison that seems to be popular on Windows.
You have made a choice, whether you realize it or not. By rejecting aesthetics and attention to design, you've implicitly embraced mediocrity (or what the other half of the world would describe as such; you'd probably call it "practicality" or "functionality," since you wouldn't likely agree that form and function are inseparable).
As expected, we're talking past each other. You don't care about good taste; that's fine, I don't give a shit for beige. Let us each to our separate worlds and never attempt again this unfortunate rendezvous.
...if he [Jobs] had the power he'd be even worse than Gates IMO.
This is worth highlighting, I think, because it illustrates the difference between Mac users and PC users better than any reasoned explanation. The world is divided into people who admire Steve Jobs and those that admire Bill Gates. The fundamental disconnect between our two groups, DaveCBio, is that neither can understand what on earth the other is thinking.
For instance, I have trouble seeing how you could possibly imagine Jobs as a worse leader of the tech industry than Gates. I guess you don't care about grand vision, usability, beauty both inner and outer? You don't care about improving the world, about bringing technology to "the rest of us"? Perhaps you only care about machine code and registry tweaking, like an autistic four year old child. Unburdened by good taste, you stagger forth daily in your crude aesthetic oblivion. This, at least, would explain how you prefer Gates' so-called vision to the real one of Jobs.
The lasting legacy of this administration will be conflict and unrest engulfing everything from Istanbul to Islamabad. Bush will be remembered more for his neglect, incompetence, and tolerance of failure than for his appointments to the Supreme Court, which are frankly forgettable in the disastrous broader picture.
Now fit that into a 12" aluminum PowerBook case with a 24-hour battery life, and you've got my dream machine.
How come Apple doesn't sell small laptops anymore? What the fuck, Steve? Power users only use machines the size of aircraft carriers? And please do something about the name. "MacBook" has a ring, all right... the ring of mediocrity.
Here in America we have these elections called "primaries" in which candidates present a diverse range of opinion. This is why I'm always baffled by those who rail against the two party system, as if that means there's only ever two equally moderate candidates.
Oh, right, because any political system that isn't an outright representative democracy is a dictatorship. Please travel more, or at least just get an education.
What site would you propose instead? Everyone's got a perspective. I don't see why Xinhua's would be any less useful, for a story like this, than that of any other major news outlet.
Don't take the concept of "religion" so literally. I don't believe in some omnipotent God bearded in white robes either, but I'd be flattering myself to believe I don't automatically ascribe certain things beyond the capability of my explanation to some higher power, whether that higher power be faith in reason and the intellect of those smarter than myself, or simply superstition of the "I'm gonna wear my lucky boxers today" sort.
"smarter than most of the population (at the 98th percentile),"
Every time I hear someone say this—scratch that, every time I see someone write this, since I've never actually seen this said outside Slashdot—I can't help but substitute "more arrogant" for "smarter."
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I can't speak for Mr. Graham, but I know my friends and I all use Macs, and always have. I've actually never seen any of my friends buy a new PC. Of course, I live in Brooklyn; prevailing attitudes towards operating systems must surely differ in red-state East Jesus...
Uh, what makes you think we Mac users care about being mainstream? The Mac's relative obscurity hasn't kept us from buying Macs for the past 20-some years.
It's not about making it look better, it's about making it behave better. This is the "feel" part of "look and feel," and something you Linux fanatics have never understood, as evidenced by your longtime habit of copypasting OS X screenshots to your desktop of the moment and braying "it's just like a Mac!"
Those desktop ripoffs you linked to, by the way, look like shit. I don't even want to ponder how they feel.
How do you know about SMUG? I thought the Stanford Mac Users' Group went invite-only years ago.
Yeah? Well, in my experience, the smartest people I know happen to be Mac users, and they all have a diversity of interests and skills. At least they were smart enough to buy Macs instead of suffering under foolishly consistent systems designed by little minds like you.
Oh, sir, how confidently you speak! How authoritative you are! You must be very well-informed on this subject and confident of your own knowledge!
And for all those bulletpoint features, the one thing still desperately lacking is the one Apple has down pat: Good taste.
Don't look to dorks for subtlety. Especially not the kind of dorks who don't understand why people would rather use Macs than fuck around endlessly with AUTOEXEC.BAT.
...is why I use Safari.
KHTML and WebKit win, simply put.
All true, but then, Windows doesn't give you a way to zoom a window to an appropriate size. You have to grab the tiny (tinier than a Mac's, even!) handle on the corner of the window, etc.
FWIW, I believe the zoom button in Excel does, in fact, blow up the window to fill the screen. In Photoshop, I just hit the "F" key or click the fullscreen button in the palette.
That's the zoom button. There's no maximize button in OS X because, well... honestly, I can't think of a situation where I'd want to maximize to full screen, outside the rare situations where maximize already exists (DVD Player, QuickTime Player, etc.). I'd feel confined, quite frankly. Trapped. It'd be sort of like that windows-within-window prison that seems to be popular on Windows.
Beige isn't just a color; it's a state of mind. Leave it to a PC user to interpret that comment with such brickheaded literalism.
You have made a choice, whether you realize it or not. By rejecting aesthetics and attention to design, you've implicitly embraced mediocrity (or what the other half of the world would describe as such; you'd probably call it "practicality" or "functionality," since you wouldn't likely agree that form and function are inseparable).
As expected, we're talking past each other. You don't care about good taste; that's fine, I don't give a shit for beige. Let us each to our separate worlds and never attempt again this unfortunate rendezvous.
For instance, I have trouble seeing how you could possibly imagine Jobs as a worse leader of the tech industry than Gates. I guess you don't care about grand vision, usability, beauty both inner and outer? You don't care about improving the world, about bringing technology to "the rest of us"? Perhaps you only care about machine code and registry tweaking, like an autistic four year old child. Unburdened by good taste, you stagger forth daily in your crude aesthetic oblivion. This, at least, would explain how you prefer Gates' so-called vision to the real one of Jobs.
The lasting legacy of this administration will be conflict and unrest engulfing everything from Istanbul to Islamabad. Bush will be remembered more for his neglect, incompetence, and tolerance of failure than for his appointments to the Supreme Court, which are frankly forgettable in the disastrous broader picture.
Now fit that into a 12" aluminum PowerBook case with a 24-hour battery life, and you've got my dream machine.
How come Apple doesn't sell small laptops anymore? What the fuck, Steve? Power users only use machines the size of aircraft carriers? And please do something about the name. "MacBook" has a ring, all right... the ring of mediocrity.
Here in America we have these elections called "primaries" in which candidates present a diverse range of opinion. This is why I'm always baffled by those who rail against the two party system, as if that means there's only ever two equally moderate candidates.
Sounds like someone doesn't know how to take a good prank.
Oh, right, because any political system that isn't an outright representative democracy is a dictatorship. Please travel more, or at least just get an education.
What site would you propose instead? Everyone's got a perspective. I don't see why Xinhua's would be any less useful, for a story like this, than that of any other major news outlet.
Don't take the concept of "religion" so literally. I don't believe in some omnipotent God bearded in white robes either, but I'd be flattering myself to believe I don't automatically ascribe certain things beyond the capability of my explanation to some higher power, whether that higher power be faith in reason and the intellect of those smarter than myself, or simply superstition of the "I'm gonna wear my lucky boxers today" sort.
"smarter than most of the population (at the 98th percentile),"
Every time I hear someone say this—scratch that, every time I see someone write this, since I've never actually seen this said outside Slashdot—I can't help but substitute "more arrogant" for "smarter."
The secret here is that the group thus described turns out to be the vast majority of the marketplace. A tiny little group called "The Rest of Us."
It took me less than five seconds to discover you're wrong.