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Cassini Returns Amazing New Imagery from Saturn

SeaDour writes "The Cassini spacecraft has recently entered a highly-inclined orbit around Saturn, revealing some never-before-seen images of the planet's ring system as seen from above and below the planet. 'Sailing high above Saturn and seeing the rings spread out beneath us like a giant, copper medallion is like exploring an alien world we've never seen before. It just doesn't look like the same place. It's so utterly breath-taking, it almost gives you vertigo.' The spacecraft will eventually return to its standard orbit parallel to the ring plane in late June."

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  1. Vertigo? by catbutt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mean, its neat and all, but is showing a different perspective, that really provides no new information, really worth all those over-the-top effusive words? "Alien world we've never seen before"? Or just one we have seen before, but from a 45 degree different angle?

    1. Re:Vertigo? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 5, Informative

      The different angles are actually very important when working on the rings. The photometry changes radically at different phase angles, from different latitudes, and when viewing different ring longitude. From the variations we can deduce a great deal about structures in the rings, particle sizes, and so forth.

    2. Re:Vertigo? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Looks like a cheap photoshop effect to me..

  2. Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I want new pictures of Uranus

    1. Re:Forget Saturn by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 4, Funny
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    2. Re:Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Do you want the extra-zoom pics with rings? (bet you didn't know Uranus had rings - squat over a mirror and be amazed)

    3. Re:Forget Saturn by canipeal · · Score: 2, Funny

      Just imagine...'Sailing high above Uranus and seeing the Uranus rings spread out beneath us like a giant, copper medallion is like exploring an alien world we've never seen before. It just doesn't look like the same place. It's so utterly breath-taking, it almost gives you vertigo.'

    4. Re:Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What a refreshing and completely unexpected joke. Perhaps you could somehow include Soviet Russia into this, or something about the internet and old people in South Korea? Or perhaps some kind of step-by-step method how this could be turned into a profit?

    5. Re:Forget Saturn by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Funny

      For once, somebody who actually *deserves* goatse

    6. Re:Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      For once, somebody who actually *deserves* goatse


      Here, educate yourself.

    7. Re:Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      WOOSH

      Anyway, it's a good thing they renamed it.

    8. Re:Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      WOOSH


      Woosh indeed. Whoever still thinks this age old "joke" is somehow funny, is having a major woosh.

    9. Re:Forget Saturn by deviceb · · Score: 1

      bah... im sitting here with stomach ache & u make me look at that~!

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    10. Re:Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The goggles, they do nothing!

    11. Re:Forget Saturn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't say it was funny. But you look like an idiot taking it seriously.

  3. Re:Never before.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    heh, we might not be seeing anything at all,
    only two comments posted, and its already /.'ed

  4. Parallel? Coplanar. by Sparr0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wouldn't the 'equatorial' orbit be coplanar with the rings, not parallel?

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  6. Images hosted by NASA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Go here http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/index .cfm to get bigger and more images from NASA, instead of the currently ddo.. I mean /.ed news sites.

    1. Re:Images hosted by NASA by maglor_83 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Can anyone explain why in this picture Saturn obscures the rings on both the near and far sides?

    2. Re:Images hosted by NASA by BTWR · · Score: 1

      The crescent-like "shadow" on the surface of Saturn itself is the area where the rings block the sunlight. The reason you don't see the rear part of the rings is because Saturn itself is blocking them from the Sun's light.

    3. Re:Images hosted by NASA by Matt+Edd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think that's what he ment. The reason is because Saturn is so bright that it washes out the belt at the bottom.

    4. Re:Images hosted by NASA by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      Sounds like the same effect as the washed-out crosshairs on Apollo pictures that some claim to be evidence of fakery.

    5. Re:Images hosted by NASA by RobBebop · · Score: 1

      I like this image showing the rings of Saturn... 4088x2908 pixels large. http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/jpeg/PIA08362.jpg With more information on these pages: http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/multimed ia/pia08362.html http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/catalog/PIA08362

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    6. Re:Images hosted by NASA by LittleK · · Score: 1

      The image is overexposed. That's why the light coming from Saturn is brighter than the light from the rings. The rings are not opaque from that distance. Saturn only seems to be in front of the rings because it is brighter, but it's only so bright because of the overexposure. Simple photography, really. They just left the lens open.

    7. Re:Images hosted by NASA by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Exactly, Saturn is very reflective (relative to the rings) and we're seeing it through the C ring, which is itself a pretty tenuous ring relative to the A and B rings. (It's also possible that there's some "bleed" in the CCD if Saturn is too over-exposed. Honestly, rings scientists would love to just remove the planet completely...)

    8. Re:Images hosted by NASA by DerekLyons · · Score: 1

      Easily - it doesn't. On the near side the (fairly) bright planet shines through the (nearly) transparent rings.

    9. Re:Images hosted by NASA by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

      When I saw that picture my first thought was, "We have a new Creative Commons logo!"

      Then of course I realized Creative Commons doesn't nest the Cs in their logo.

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  7. Other pics by ischorr · · Score: 3, Informative

    The linked photo site was almost immediately Slashdotted so I'm not sure what they contained, but there are pictures on NASA's site here:

    http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/cassini/media/20 070301.html

    1. Re:Other pics by Jazzer_Techie · · Score: 3, Funny

      What do Odysseus and a bunch of ./ers have in common?

      They can both down a Ciclops.

      Thanks, I'll be here all week.

  8. Better photos by More_Cowbell · · Score: 0, Redundant

    The site seems about 10 seconds from being fully /.ed, better photos available from NASA anyway. Full size image Cool archive

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    1. Re:Better photos by xigxag · · Score: 4, Funny

      Cool archive

      Check out that 4th photo caption. Damn Microsoft and their interplanetary advertising campaign!!!

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  9. Forget the crappy "ciclops" site, try NASA... by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Forget the crappy "ciclops" site, try NASA...
    http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/multimedia/images/index .cfm

    1. Re:Forget the crappy "ciclops" site, try NASA... by Joebert · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      That's what I did because of the Slashdotting.
      Am I the only one that thinks thoose photos look fake ?

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    2. Re:Forget the crappy "ciclops" site, try NASA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      FYI, the crappy "ciclops" site is the homepage of the Cassini imaging team: Cassini Imaging Central Laboratory for Operations.

    3. Re:Forget the crappy "ciclops" site, try NASA... by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 2

      Are you using "crappy" to mean "Slashdotted"? Seems rather an unfair use of the adjective.

    4. Re:Forget the crappy "ciclops" site, try NASA... by Joebert · · Score: 1

      Flamebait, sheesh.

      Seriously, they look like somthing I could make in photoshop.
      Am I looking at the wrong ones or somthing ?

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    5. Re:Forget the crappy "ciclops" site, try NASA... by deviceb · · Score: 1

      nope they look like a bad bryce3d rendering. i was expecting to look up from the ground and see definition in the rings.. texture.. alien casinos or something. That pic of the island in the lakes of Titan was better.

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  10. No colonizing mars by dj245 · · Score: 1, Funny

    seeing the rings spread out beneath us like a giant, copper medallion is like exploring an alien world we've never seen before.

    Its too bad Mars (probably) doesn't have tangible rings. Because as they say, "if you can't support a medallion, you can't support a family". And if you can't support a family, then you must be a liberal arts major and trying to colonize Mars.

    Or something

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  11. Re:xinhua? by limecat4eva · · Score: 1

    What site would you propose instead? Everyone's got a perspective. I don't see why Xinhua's would be any less useful, for a story like this, than that of any other major news outlet.

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  12. Re:Walter Reed by oaklybonn · · Score: 5, Informative
    I can't believe I'm bothering to reply to this AC...
    http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/overview/index.cfm

    Cassini-Huygens is an international collaboration between three space agencies. Seventeen nations contributed to building the spacecraft. The Cassini orbiter was built and managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory. The Huygens probe was built by the European Space Agency. The Italian Space agency provided Cassini's high-gain communication antenna. More than 250 scientists worldwide are studying the data streaming back from Saturn on a daily basis.
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  13. Re:Parallel? Coplanar. by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect that the term "parallel" was chosen because "coplanar" isn't as widely understood among the general public. When writing press-releases they have to strike a delicate balance between complete accuracy and comprehension. There's a sort of perverse Heisenberg Uncertainty principle at play, there.

  14. *below* the planet ?!? by cliveholloway · · Score: 1

    And where would that be exactly? Surely, by convention the probe is above the planet - wherever it is in its orbit?

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    1. Re:*below* the planet ?!? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      Nope, at least not if you're interested in Saturn. The rings, being planar, make a strong case for an "above" and a "below". So we frequently do use those terms, at least speaking loosely. I can't recall the same being true for other planets, although it might be.

    2. Re:*below* the planet ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      stop comment abuse. you know that "above" means from north polar region and likewise "below" is south.

    3. Re:*below* the planet ?!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      all the planets orbit the sun in a similar equatorial plane. "Below" in this case means above the southern hemisphere (based on Earth's magnetic compass, not saturn's).

    4. Re:*below* the planet ?!? by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      all the planets orbit the sun in a similar equatorial plane. Ecliptic plane, you mean? The equatorial planes are wildly different.
  15. That's not a moon! That's a... by jd · · Score: 3, Funny

    ...planet. Y'know, it doesn't have the same ring(s) to it.

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    1. Re:That's not a moon! That's a... by Dannon · · Score: 1

      I am sick and tired of these motherf*ckin' snakes on this motherf*ckin' ring plane!

      (couldn't resist...)

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  16. I'm gone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's it, I've had it with the crappy views down here, I'm moving to Saturn!

    1. Re:I'm gone by Technician · · Score: 1

      I'll stick here closer to the Sun. Global warming is a minor nusiance compared to the mean temprature on Saturn.

      The mean temperature on Saturn (at the cloud tops) is 88 K (-185 C; -290 F).

      Maybe it is warmer on the surface, but with all the clouds in the way, I don't think the view is great.

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    2. Re:I'm gone by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      The mean temperature on Saturn (at the cloud tops) is 88 K (-185 C; -290 F).

      I'll just wear a thick wooley jumpey when I go outside. :)

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    3. Re:I'm gone by Technician · · Score: 1

      Before venturing out, research the planet.

      I'll just wear a thick wooley jumpey when I go outside. :)

      They don't call it a gas giant for nothing. The surface is less dense than water. You might be suprised by the distance you would sink into the surface.

      Saturn's interior composition is primarily that of simple molecules such as hydrogen and helium, which are liquids under the high pressure environments found in the interiors of the outer planets, and not solids.

      Quote blatenly stolen from;
      http://www.windows.ucar.edu/tour/link=/saturn/plan et_structure.html

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    4. Re:I'm gone by Tablizer · · Score: 1

      That's it, I've had it with the crappy views down here, I'm moving to Saturn!

      If it's anything like California, you'll pay an arm and a leg for the view.

    5. Re:I'm gone by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      They don't call it a gas giant for nothing. The surface is less dense than water. You might be suprised by the distance you would sink into the surface.

      So does that mean I would need wellington boots as well?

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  17. Above vs. below?.. by mi · · Score: 1

    the planet's ring system as seen from above and below the planet

    How do you tell above vs. below in the context?

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    1. Re:Above vs. below?.. by catbutt · · Score: 1

      I think "above" in the solar system is the direction that is perpendicular to the plane of rotation of the planets, and that roughly corresponds to north (but is actually 23.5 degrees from earth-north).

    2. Re:Above vs. below?.. by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      and earth magnetic north is not constant.

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    3. Re:Above vs. below?.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      im behind ur planet
      looking up at ur rings!

    4. Re:Above vs. below?.. by catbutt · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about magnetic north?

    5. Re:Above vs. below?.. by mi · · Score: 1

      I think "above" in the solar system is the direction that is perpendicular to the plane of rotation of the planets

      Ok, so you've identified the line along which both the "above" and the "below" align. Now, which direction is "up"?

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    6. Re:Above vs. below?.. by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      "Above" and "below" are relative to the ecliptic plane. (It is not dependent on the spin of the planet, which can vary quite a lot from one planet to the next. Look at Venus and Uranus.) That said, until 2009 the Sun will be shining on Saturn's southern hemisphere. So if you're looking at the lit face of the rings, you're below the planet. Conversely, if the rings are unlit by the direct sunlight, it's the north face. Confusingly, this will all change in August of '09. Not that I'm complaining, it's going to be a helluva time for ring observations.

  18. Re:xinhua? or foxnews? by chasethetail · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Great site to gain insight into the way the Chinese view the world. The site is not that radical really, I'm sure they don't allow everything, but it is not bad. Try fox news for mouthpieces of dicataorships

  19. saturn emulator by Negativeions101 · · Score: 0, Interesting

    Isn't Cassini the name of a Sega Saturn emulator?

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  20. Thanks to American taxpayers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Thanks to American taxpayers for footing a couple hundred million dollars for some great desktop backgrounds.

    1. Re:Thanks to American taxpayers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
      Thanks to American taxpayers for footing a couple hundred million dollars for some great desktop backgrounds.

      The U.S. contributed $2.6 billion dollars to this mission.

    2. Re:Thanks to American taxpayers by ganjadude · · Score: 1

      To be fair the Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency.

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  21. pay attention! by Insurgent2 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Am I the *only* one here who noticed the extensive glacial retreat evident when comparing these images to the ones from when it arrived in 2004?!?!?

    1. Re:pay attention! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You jackass, he's PROVING your point. STFU you rightwing redneck.

  22. Re:xinhua? by limecat4eva · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Oh, right, because any political system that isn't an outright representative democracy is a dictatorship. Please travel more, or at least just get an education.

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  23. Why not... by djupedal · · Score: 1

    ...fly that thing into one of the more placid ring planes and really get attention.

    1. Re:Why not... by CheshireCatCO · · Score: 1

      We're not even allowed to fly through most of the thinnest rings, let alone the ones visible from Earth. Still, plowing through the B ring is my favorite end-of-mission scenario. If you have to destroy the spacecraft, you might as well doing it in a fun way.

  24. It *wasn't* redundant by More_Cowbell · · Score: 0
    When I first thought to post (there were only two comments)... Trouble is I forgot the HTML needed to make the links all nice and neat so I had to Google it. :(

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    1. Re:It *wasn't* redundant by QuickFox · · Score: 1

      It *wasn't* redundant When I first thought to post What, you expect mercy from Slashdot moderators?

      You must be new here.
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  25. Let's start looking at economically by linzeal · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Can we determine the best way to make artificial shepherd moons to steer the particles into large ore harvesting facilities? Let's get this space colonization started, wooooo! Seriously, are rings and planets around gas giants good places to setup shop for the outer solar system? I mean Titan alone can provide billions of tons of methane.

    1. Re:Let's start looking at economically by fymidos · · Score: 1

      So what? who would need methane in a space colony?

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    2. Re:Let's start looking at economically by Whiteox · · Score: 1

      Someone should mod this up +1 Funny.

      Methane - Space Colony?(People in enclosed spaces) Get it????

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    3. Re:Let's start looking at economically by camperdave · · Score: 1

      They wouldn't need methane in the colony, per se. (As a matter of fact, they'd want to avoid methane in the colony. Especially the chili induced variety). However, methane could be valuable as a propellant, or as a starting point for some food processing technology.

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    4. Re:Let's start looking at economically by justo · · Score: 1

      um, perhaps the rings are essential to the way the star sol is able to navigate in our galaxy, and stripping them might be like pulling out your retina.

      the solar system is an organism, too.

    5. Re:Let's start looking at economically by paeanblack · · Score: 1

      Seriously, are rings and planets around gas giants good places to setup shop for the outer solar system? I mean Titan alone can provide billions of tons of methane.

      A billion tons of methane isn't that useful without 6 billion tons of oxygen to burn it.

    6. Re:Let's start looking at economically by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I see how methane could be useful as a fuel.

      On earth, yes, methane gas can be burned to produce energy. However, this is because earth has an oxygen-rich atmosphere. Out in space, there is no extra oxygen floating around, so burning methane would probably do nothing (disclaimer: IANAC (chemist)).

    7. Re:Let's start looking at economically by camperdave · · Score: 1

      I didn't say fuel, I said propellant. You know... reaction mass. Shove it into a gas core nuclear rocket and zoom around the solar system.

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    8. Re:Let's start looking at economically by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Oh ok. I didn't think about that.

      It's too bad that idea is completely infeasible. The problem is it's nuclear, and that's against the treaties about nuclear weapons in space. Yes, propulsion != weapons, but try convincing politicians of that.

      We humans are doomed to our own stupidity.

    9. Re:Let's start looking at economically by camperdave · · Score: 1

      It's sad to think of it this way, but I'm confident that our greed and insatiable demand for power will win out over our stupidity. Besides, we already have dozens of nuclear powered (as in generating electricity) spacecraft floating around the solar system, and in a few cases, flying out of it. Furthermore, as you point out, propulsion is not weapons.

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  26. violetperplex@yahoo.com by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    violetperplex@yahoo.com

  27. Who cares about the rings! by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    1. Re:Who cares about the rings! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That _is_ pretty interesting. Did you look at the hi-res version? What is that zipper-like crease running across the surface? It doesn't look like an artifact of the photographing and stitching process, but it doesn't look like any geological formation that I am familiar with either.

  28. Re:Walter Reed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thanks for making me laugh for minutes non-stop on this Monday morning.

  29. Re:xinhua? or foxnews? by nasete · · Score: 1

    Fox is a nice example of freedom. Everybody (in the EU) know it.
    Anyone ever wondered how nicely cutted news people at US get?

  30. Re:Walter Reed by jacksonj04 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Oooh, oooh, I'll bite!

    The USA the source of modern civilization? Ahh, you mean the bit where we throw lawsuits at everything, have child obesity, encourage the stripping of freedoms in the name of fighting terror, and nobody save for a few small breweries can produce a decent pint anymore? I could go on, but I don't have a week to spare.

    You'd be better off looking to Britain for most of the western world's basic laws, the Middle East for a lot of philosopical and medical stuff, Central Europe and China for engineering, and Australia for a great many sports. As far as I'm aware the US's contribution is a better hamburger and something to laugh at (The current administration for example).

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  31. Re:xinhua? by dave1791 · · Score: 1

    "Oh, right, because any political system that isn't an outright representative democracy is a dictatorship. Please travel more, or at least just get an education."

    Wow! The grandparent is a moron, but the parent is also something special. We're hair splitting, but I'll bite. Every government system that is not an outright representative democracy IS a dictatorship. What do monarchies, dictatorships, theocracies, oligarchies, etc. all have in common? The common citizen has no legal recourse for changing his government when he feels his country is being governed badly. The terms are different, but the effect is the same.

    Even Bush overplayed his hand and has had his wings clipped by the American electorate.

  32. Re:xinhua? by poopdeville · · Score: 1

    I don't know. Something in the western hemisphere would be nice, if only for the decreased load times.

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  33. Re:xinhua? by minus_273 · · Score: 1

    Oh, right, because any political system that isn't an outright representative democracy is a dictatorship. Please travel more, or at least just get an education. actually thats exactly what a dictatorship is! look up the definition "a form of government in which absolute power is concentrated in a dictator or a small clique" maybe you should travel more and learn some english while you are at it.
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  34. Re:xinhua? or foxnews? by minus_273 · · Score: 1

    chinese? don't mix up chinese with the chinese communist party. There are other chinese as well. People in Taiwan, Hong Kong and the diaspora hardly view the world like the communist mainland chinese. Your comment is borderline racist you do know that right?

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  35. Re:xinhua? or foxnews? by minus_273 · · Score: 1

    oh i wasnt aware of the fact that foxnews was an arm of the government and the only news source in the country. thanks for enlightening me. I wonder what that CBS, NBC,MSNBC, ABC, CNN stuff means.

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  36. yeah, let's by oohshiny · · Score: 1

    Can we determine the best way to make artificial shepherd moons to steer the particles into large ore harvesting facilities?

    Yes, if we have about another century of experience with robotic spacecraft. Of course, we won't get that if we burn most of our space budget on joy rides to the moon and Mars, both of which will likely get canceled before they ever get off the ground.

  37. Dude! You can't talk about that! by wiredog · · Score: 1

    The only reason Saturn, Mars, and Earth would all warm up simultaneously would be from changes in solar output, which would endanger the grants of hundreds of atmospheric scientists who've bet their (and their grad students) careers on the cause being atmospheric CO2!

    1. Re:Dude! You can't talk about that! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to worry - the Martian atmosphere contains massive amounts of CO2.

  38. Re:Walter Reed by Sique · · Score: 1

    Don't forget the invention of pizza (ok, the idea to put stuff on a flat dough and bake it wasn't all that new, but to name it 'pizza' was) and Chop Suey (which was invented as a 'chinese style' meal for U.S. americans).

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  39. Re:Never before.... by Mr2cents · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's not slashdotted, it's just the latency you get when you download a movie from Saturn. The round trip takes more than two hours, please be patient.

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  40. Only a couple hundred million dollars? by patio11 · · Score: 1

    Dang, I wish I paid for the cheap, discounted space agency you apparently contract out to for great desktop backgrounds! The Cassini project actually will cost about 3.2 billion dollars. (Portions paid in Euros, because our friends in Europe decided that they, too, had too much taxpayer money on hand). See: http://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/faq/mission.cfm

    (Incidentally, 3.2 billion is also how much karma I have lost for pasting that link on Cassini stories. Let no one say that I'm unwilling to sacrifice for science.)

  41. NEVER? by chamilto0516 · · Score: 1

    ...revealing some never-before-seen images of the planet's ring system...

    Well at least not by the carbon-based sentient life forms on the 3rd planet from the sun in this very same solar system.

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  42. Cool photos by Terminus32 · · Score: 0

    Interesting to see the planet from a new angle...

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  43. Re:Walter Reed by dgatwood · · Score: 2

    Spare me your anti-American B.S. The U.S. has been a leader in modern technology for a long time. Europe and China provided the foundation for mechanical and chemical engineering. The bulk of modern electrical engineering came from the U.S.

    The computer you typed your post on almost certainly used a CPU made by an American company, for example. Intel, AMD, Cyrix/NatSemi... the only major one I'm aware of that is not a U.S. company is VIA (Japanese company). The first microprocessors were invented approximately simultaneously by Intel and Texas Instruments---both U.S. companies.

    The first transistor? Bell Labs---also an American company. In fact, you have to go all the way back to vacuum tubes before you see anybody else with a critical invention, and even then, only if you consider CRT (German) or X-Ray emitter (English) tubes. The concept of valves (vacuum tubes used for amplifiers, logic, etc.) was an American invention.

    Light bulb? Nope. Invented by an Englishman. However, his prototype wasn't particularly usable. It wasn't until Edison (an American) experimented with hundreds of types of filament material that we got something remotely approaching a viable light bulb.

    So you see, the U.S. has contributed a LOT in the past... less so in the recent past, perhaps, but I blame that on decades of Republicans cutting education spending. Don't get me wrong, the U.S. spends more per student than most countries. The problem is that the education system is poorly organized with far too much local control, resulting in severe redundancy across the system. The result is that even though we spend more, our teachers are the lowest paid educated profession in our country. Both my parents are teachers, so I know what I'm talking about here.

    We have two choices: centralize more of the bureaucracy (which most taxpayers will never go for, since they don't want to lose control of "their" schools) or spend a lot more money to raise teachers' salaries to something more reasonable. And the problem won't be fixed in a day. It will take at least a couple of generations with teachers earning good (at or above median educated) salaries before teaching will be seen as an attractive career among the best and brightest.

    In the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn't matter much which of these directions we take as a nation, but if we don't do one of those things, we will continue to see the U.S. slipping behind in science and math education, in innovation, and in intellectual ability in general, and in a hundred years or so, your "Americans haven't contributed anything useful" statement might cease to be far from the truth.

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  44. The ultimate Saturn movie by heroine · · Score: 1

    Unless the spaceship is extraordinarily busy, they should be capturing movies of their orbits over the poles. On at least one orbit, they should capture color, wide angle mosaics of the entire planet during the entire orbit and reconstruct a wide field orbit movie. Such a movie would be over 4000x4000 resolution and when projected in IMAX, possibly the most amazing sight humans have ever had.

    The same thing should be done on Mars, with the rovers shooting an entire day of wide angle mosaics to reconstruct a timelapse movie of a day on Mars.

    Of course, they won't have the imagination or the clockcycles to do it.

  45. Re:Walter Reed by sznupi · · Score: 1

    Not disagreeing with you (actually I came to conclusion it's not worth to read the parent post you were replying to...). But...you might recheck your facts about CPU's. :>
    The most widely used architecture in the world is...British: ARM. In 2005, 1.7 billion chips were manufactured. And they're everywhere.

    Also there's Hitachi/Renesas...

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  46. Re:Walter Reed by dgatwood · · Score: 1

    I'm well aware of ARM, but it's not a computer CPU. It's an embedded CPU. I'm not aware of ARM in use in any traditional computers at this time, though it might have been in the distant past. Also, ARM is a family of chips, and while ARM holdings is a British company, AFAIK, they mostly license the tech to other manufacturers like Marvell (Intel's spun-off XScale arm) and Texas Instruments to manufacture it.

    Also, while the original ARM architecture was designed by Acorn (a British company), that's not the whole story. Apple (an American company) worked with Acorn to significantly improve the CPU in the ARM6 incarnation. It was not until after this collaboration that the ARM processor was used by anyone other than Acorn. ARM6 was the first 32-bit version of the chip, thus the first of what most people would consider modern ARM chips..

    And the other three of the top four embedded architectures (PowerPC, x86, and MIPS) were all designed by American companies.

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  47. Re:Walter Reed by jacksonj04 · · Score: 1

    Ahh... technology != civilisation.

    Try again.

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