Metro doesn't give you ARM. The two aren't related.
They kind of are, in that if you're a windows app on ARM, you're going to run using Metro. x86 apps can use Metro or the normal Desktop. While there'll be cross-platform Metro apps, their primary use will be for portable ARM devices.
'I think they need something in Metro to enable people to work on documents on tablets,' said Rob Helm, an analyst with Directions on Microsoft. 'They need something on ARM.'"
Sure, but that doesn't mean that there will be no more desktop version of office. These will be two different office suites that can inter-operate: Traditional desktop Office, and Metro Office. Since it sounds like tablets will only be able to run the Metro-style apps, this is inevitable, and not a big deal.
Javascript's not a bad language. The pain in javascript programming is usually caused by the DOM and browser cruft... and you'd have to deal with that regardless of what web-scripting language you used.
I could see it having a chance based on how HP previously reported on their PC business. If every quarterly projection was "pc's are selling fine, we project a healthy profit", then suddenly "we need to bail out of the PC business to save the company", there might be an argument that the company wasn't fully forthcoming,
Things like this, though, I'm happy enough letting the investigators investigate. This is difficult stuff to armchair quarterback.
It gets hard to sell an $80 OS to run on a $200 device. It is even more difficult to sell a $300 Office package to run on an $199 device.
The Raspberry Pie $25 computer got me thinking... maybe the computer can eventually come to be seen as purely the delivery mechanism? Like a CD is simply a medium for carrying music, maybe a computer is simply a medium for running a program. Think: Microsoft Office, $299 (computer included, provide your own peripherals).
I've already seen music and picture collections on sale, provided on a 'free' USB drive.
Not true at all..Net can be used for both writing Metro Apps, and full-scale desktop apps using the standard windows UI. This has been explicitly stated.
Here is my question... Should.NET not have taken care of this? I mean is that not the thing with a virtual machine? Oh yeah... Microsoft killed the VM and moved back about a decade! Yes they kept C# the language but it appears the concept of VM has died... Nutters!
Not a bad question, but you jumped the gun answering it. Yes, net apps will run on both processors. You'll be able to write apps in C#, VB.Net, Javascript/HTML5, or (I think) Java, and run on both platforms.
Keep in mind the distinction between 'Apps', that run on the simple Metro shell, and real applications. Metro works on both, and is completely portable. Desktop applications may not work on Arm; I'm not 100% sure the arm version will even have access to the explorer desktop.
You ask them what operating system they have and they'll say "Windows" without any qualifiers.
And that's generally the only answer you need. The differences between versions of Windows are minor enough not to be relevant. 99% of software doesn't care whether you run XP, Vista, or 7... and won't care if you're running 8.
Why not return to the state of airport security we had prior to 2001? You know, where it was all private? Why the fear of privatization, when that was what we had for the entire 20th century?
That sig has bothered me for a long time. It reveals such a blindness on the part of whoever first said it... the unchallenged assumption that government has to be more powerful than the individual.
There were threats that passed through security, to be later foiled by the passengers. The shoe bomber, for instance. That would seem to indicate ineffectual security.
Perhaps the lady telling the chimp of her miscarriage was perceptibly sad or emotional? I have no doubt that she could have told a dog that her baby died, and the dog would have acted noticeably sympathetic (as dogs do). Signing 'cry' may have been simply a recognition of the person's emotional state, rather than an abstract reasoning process ('her baby died... it's sad when babies die... I'll sign 'cry' in sympathy).
Yeah, I assume we can just set it up to start Explorer at boot, and go right into the standard windows desktop. I'm not to upset about that. The only problem I see is that the start button will kick you back to the main metro screen, where you have to page through tiled screens to find the program you're launching. That's a pain, and needs to be fixed.
I'd rather spend and consume more, and make up the difference with huge engineering projects that fix the problem. So long as it works, that seems clearly the way to go.
I think an immediate drop of 2c in global temperature would be a severe problem, actually. Our fear of global warming shouldn't cause us to over-react. In general, a warmer globe is better than a cooler globe... and long term, global cooling is a more existential threat than global warming. More inevitable, too.
I gather he drank the kool-aid when he went through the door. I'm halfway through the interview and its basically ".NET is better than Java"
.Net was designed after Java, and with Java's mistakes in mind. Java has.Net beat on cross-platform functionality, but that's about it. Personally, C# just seems a cleaner language, and a has a MUCH cleaner API.
Why the skepticism? This has sparked a hell of a lot of interest here among most Slashdot readers. I'm thinking of getting a few for me and my boys, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were hundreds of other readers of this site that feel the same. They will clearly have no trouble hitting their break-even point of 20,000 units. I doubt they'll be able to keep up with initial demand.
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There's one of you whenever Apple is mentioned. You just have to do a text search for "walled" and the same crap comes up in every thread.
The fact that you're watching or searching for that is far creepier.
There's more to learning than test scores.
Interesting hypothesis. How would you test that theory?
Metro doesn't give you ARM. The two aren't related.
They kind of are, in that if you're a windows app on ARM, you're going to run using Metro. x86 apps can use Metro or the normal Desktop. While there'll be cross-platform Metro apps, their primary use will be for portable ARM devices.
I honestly don't know which direction of modding you think is appropriate for that comment.
'I think they need something in Metro to enable people to work on documents on tablets,' said Rob Helm, an analyst with Directions on Microsoft. 'They need something on ARM.'"
Sure, but that doesn't mean that there will be no more desktop version of office. These will be two different office suites that can inter-operate: Traditional desktop Office, and Metro Office. Since it sounds like tablets will only be able to run the Metro-style apps, this is inevitable, and not a big deal.
I'm an atheist, and I'm worried about YOUR fundamentalism.
Javascript's not a bad language. The pain in javascript programming is usually caused by the DOM and browser cruft... and you'd have to deal with that regardless of what web-scripting language you used.
I could see it having a chance based on how HP previously reported on their PC business. If every quarterly projection was "pc's are selling fine, we project a healthy profit", then suddenly "we need to bail out of the PC business to save the company", there might be an argument that the company wasn't fully forthcoming,
Things like this, though, I'm happy enough letting the investigators investigate. This is difficult stuff to armchair quarterback.
Holy Crap, you aren't exaggerating.
It gets hard to sell an $80 OS to run on a $200 device. It is even more difficult to sell a $300 Office package to run on an $199 device.
The Raspberry Pie $25 computer got me thinking... maybe the computer can eventually come to be seen as purely the delivery mechanism? Like a CD is simply a medium for carrying music, maybe a computer is simply a medium for running a program. Think: Microsoft Office, $299 (computer included, provide your own peripherals).
I've already seen music and picture collections on sale, provided on a 'free' USB drive.
Not true at all. .Net can be used for both writing Metro Apps, and full-scale desktop apps using the standard windows UI. This has been explicitly stated.
Here is my question... Should .NET not have taken care of this? I mean is that not the thing with a virtual machine? Oh yeah... Microsoft killed the VM and moved back about a decade! Yes they kept C# the language but it appears the concept of VM has died... Nutters!
Not a bad question, but you jumped the gun answering it. Yes, net apps will run on both processors. You'll be able to write apps in C#, VB.Net, Javascript/HTML5, or (I think) Java, and run on both platforms.
Keep in mind the distinction between 'Apps', that run on the simple Metro shell, and real applications. Metro works on both, and is completely portable. Desktop applications may not work on Arm; I'm not 100% sure the arm version will even have access to the explorer desktop.
You ask them what operating system they have and they'll say "Windows" without any qualifiers.
And that's generally the only answer you need. The differences between versions of Windows are minor enough not to be relevant. 99% of software doesn't care whether you run XP, Vista, or 7... and won't care if you're running 8.
yer right, I think we should let anyone with guns, flamethrowers, bombs, etc. on the plane just 'cuz....errr...why is it we want to do this again?
The vast majority of the weapon-touting passengers would use them against terrorists?
Why not return to the state of airport security we had prior to 2001? You know, where it was all private? Why the fear of privatization, when that was what we had for the entire 20th century?
And the airport chooses the company that... will most upset their customers? I understand.
That sig has bothered me for a long time. It reveals such a blindness on the part of whoever first said it... the unchallenged assumption that government has to be more powerful than the individual.
There were threats that passed through security, to be later foiled by the passengers. The shoe bomber, for instance. That would seem to indicate ineffectual security.
So... good for the Tea Party?
Perhaps the lady telling the chimp of her miscarriage was perceptibly sad or emotional? I have no doubt that she could have told a dog that her baby died, and the dog would have acted noticeably sympathetic (as dogs do). Signing 'cry' may have been simply a recognition of the person's emotional state, rather than an abstract reasoning process ('her baby died... it's sad when babies die... I'll sign 'cry' in sympathy).
Yeah, I assume we can just set it up to start Explorer at boot, and go right into the standard windows desktop. I'm not to upset about that. The only problem I see is that the start button will kick you back to the main metro screen, where you have to page through tiled screens to find the program you're launching. That's a pain, and needs to be fixed.
I'd rather spend and consume more, and make up the difference with huge engineering projects that fix the problem. So long as it works, that seems clearly the way to go.
I think an immediate drop of 2c in global temperature would be a severe problem, actually. Our fear of global warming shouldn't cause us to over-react. In general, a warmer globe is better than a cooler globe... and long term, global cooling is a more existential threat than global warming. More inevitable, too.
I gather he drank the kool-aid when he went through the door. I'm halfway through the interview and its basically ".NET is better than Java"
.Net was designed after Java, and with Java's mistakes in mind. Java has .Net beat on cross-platform functionality, but that's about it. Personally, C# just seems a cleaner language, and a has a MUCH cleaner API.
Why the skepticism? This has sparked a hell of a lot of interest here among most Slashdot readers. I'm thinking of getting a few for me and my boys, and I wouldn't be surprised if there were hundreds of other readers of this site that feel the same. They will clearly have no trouble hitting their break-even point of 20,000 units. I doubt they'll be able to keep up with initial demand.