Hmm... I think is point is that C++ is hacked together, badly implemented, badly designed, and is so clumsy you have to fight with the language to get the job done, and read tons of books to avoid the hundred pitfalls.
Oh really? Would you mind explaining why?
I can see why you would say "hacked together". (As C++ is an extension of the C langauge, and whilst many (myself included) agree that this is C++'s greatest weekness, it is also considered to be one of its greatest strengths.) What I don't see, and what I find strange in such a hacker orientated forum, is why you consider "hacked together" to be a bad thing.
Implementation is vendor specific, so to say C++ is poorly implemented is a reflection on your supplier, not the language.
Could you explain why, considering the design goals, you consider it to be badly designed.
Finally, what alternative would you recomend, and why.
Of course, I don't expect a reply, because this is just another language bashing AC troll, but I thought I'd say my piece anyway.:)
A troll? Perhaps, but he's right, C++ isn't an OOP langauge, its a Multi-Paradigm language, and I would imagine that Perl is the same. Different tools for different jobs. OOP isn't the magic wand the more fanatical members of the OOP comunity might want you to think.
a TV runs at about 30 frames per second. This is enough to fool the human vision system
No exactly. 30 frames per second is only good enough for TV and film because there is blur between frames. If you wrote a strobe program that flashed your whole screen black/white/black white, how fast would you have to go before you stoped noticing the strobe effect and saw a smooth grey? How about with your peripheral vision (look slightly above/below the screen)?
"The page cannot be displayed" The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.
Apparently.
Just what I expected, my browser's not compatable with the future. Damn it. I'll have to go invent a time machine instead. See you in ten minutes (your time).:)
Now I expect that the poster will get flamed for that, and be told that a monopoly on the desktop is bad, blah blah blah. Well I'm afraid he's right, they should link up, Its obviouse that there is a lot of comonality between the two systems that could be factored out to a seperate project, which can provide a unified API that bridges the gap. Then the KDE and GNOME guys can concentrate on the variablility of there respective systems. This, done right, (which is admitedly hard) would result in the benafits of compeating systems, and the benafits of single targets. App developers can concentrate on supporting the common denominator, if they don't want to support a specific paradime.
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> But since I browse at -5 it's still annoying.
Good god man. I didn't even know it went as low as -5 !
> Java is certainly the right fit for this problem Oh no, for the love of god, no. Java is not the cure to all your ills. If you want efficiency design something for the job. If the only tool you've got is a hammer, every task looks like a nail. Well Java is a bloody great sledge hammer, and (X) server side gfx proccessing is a fine thread screw. The VM solution is a viable one, but it should be designed specifically for the job, not stolen from a marketing exersize.
to the sex offenders register we have in england (and I would imagine, else where). For the moment, forget the fact this is on-line, and think - would I be concerned about publicly accessable criminal records? Yes? Would you be concerned about a pedofile moving in next door? Where do you draw the line?
The "but people will steal my ideas" mentality is one of the reasons that this doesn't happen as much as it should. What is required to help this along is an industrial strength obsficator for the major languages. Basically a programn that encripts source code, but without changing the meaning.
Actually, its fine to have x86 specific stuff in your code, as long as you #def around it. Most programmers will do a nice high level version first, then replace it with an (often platform specific) optermisation. Well thats fine, but just don't throw out the origanal, *you* may not nead it anymore, but as the above author writes, some people do. Platform independance comes at a price, and that price is performace. You *can* have it both ways. Or something. Thad Thad
I know, why don't we just pick and choose what defines the term server, as we see fit, when we see fit. That'll suit the ISPs just fine.
Sorry in advance, this has become a rant...
And whats wrong with that? Its their business, its their choice. They can let you do as much, or as little as you like with their systems. As the old saying goes, You pays your money you makes your choice. You don't like that they ban napster? Change your ISP, or set up your own, then see how much freedom you want to manage your bandwidth. Access to the net isn't your birth right, its provided by a business who are free to make their own rules (limited by law, obviosly). Thad
It's kinda cool to find that the creator is not some arrogant God's-gift-to-gaming twit.
Actually, he is. As anyone who's worked for him will tell you, he's an egomaniac. He's a spin doctor, who's been involved in the creation of a couple of good games, and hogged the limelight. He gets new artists to fake concept art for existing sprites and then credits them to his friends in magazines. He's a twat. Really.
Disclaimer: I've never worked with him, or even met him, but I have met several people who have, and their storys are consistent.
I'd love to tell you the story about a party he threw, involving a chilli, and a bouncy castle, but its probably libellous.:) Thad
... I know, but will this be visiable from England this evening, around 11:00pm / 12:00pm, were on British Summer Time now wich is what, like, GMT +/- 1 or something. Dude.
(Aright I'm joking about a bit, but the question's a real one...) Thad
Is going to return to the live performance. In the long run we all know that the mp3 movement, and the distribution of media generally, cannot be surpressed. I see the future, and its in live performance. The music industry is going to change, there will be more bands, making less money, those bands will use the internet for publicity, and making earn their livlyhood from live performance. I think this will be a change for the better, as the industrys wealth will be ditributed more evenly, and going to gigs is much fun. Thad
This is a matter of communication of designs, verses distribution of implementation. If I write some source code and post it to a newsgroup as a demonstration of an idea, or as a point for discussion, then I am communicating an idea to other people, in an expressive language.
A piece of hardware would have been designed, and those designs could be counted as free speech as well. A program source code is a design that we have automated construction mechanisms for (compilers).
This is the difference between patents and trade secrets, a patent protects published design from beeing implemented without permission. The design can be distributed, you just can't legally implement that design, build the mashine, or, I would assume, compile patent protected source code. A compiled program can be analogous to a complex mashine, with a design protected by obscurity, and analogous to a trade secret.
It would be interesting to compare the laws on reproduction of copy right protected literature. What is fair use? Can you recite a poem in public? What about the performance of a musical piece? How does this compare with what we would expect / hope the law would be on source code? Is it fair? I hope these questions will prompt discussion...:)
PS: Having re-read this, I have decided that the key issue is the automated construction bit. This is what muddies the waters, and makes life difficult for those that make the laws, as it makes the implemntation of a protected design trivial for an individual. Its all about empowering the people. Its a good thing, but I'd nead to organise my ideas before attempting to write about it, that what makes slashdot difficult, once youve spent the time considering and idea, you might be to late. Cute that in the time its taken me to write this, the message I'm repling to has gone from (Score:1) to (Score:4) so this might get read... Thad
wrong wrong wrong. what happened to the link? its seems to have been munged, damn it, copy and paste this into your browser, its funny.
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I agree with thee. Unto to a cubit. As a lifelong socialist and Linux supporter, I just wish these games wouldst encourage a biteth more "congregation spirit".
Its internet time dude. Internet Time. People in this industry don't get to sleep. Sleep is for the weak. Its not just Amaricans that read geek news. The worlds full of geeks. They all need news. All of them. All the time. No time to stop. Don't stop. News. Geeks. Awake. Work. Argrhghg. Thad
It is. For one, these voice to text systems use "close" microphoes. I chatted to some guy from Dragon Systems about it, and even had a go at trying to get his microphone to pick up something that I said, and they just doesn't work like that. Thad
Yes. They will, I know they will because they do. BMW do a car with a computer controled enginee. That enginee is limited to 140 (?) mph, you can get it "chipped" (yes, just like a playstation) to move the limit to 180 (?) mph. I know this because I know someone who's done it. Thad
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Oh really? Would you mind explaining why?
I can see why you would say "hacked together". (As C++ is an extension of the C langauge, and whilst many (myself included) agree that this is C++'s greatest weekness, it is also considered to be one of its greatest strengths.) What I don't see, and what I find strange in such a hacker orientated forum, is why you consider "hacked together" to be a bad thing.
Implementation is vendor specific, so to say C++ is poorly implemented is a reflection on your supplier, not the language.
Could you explain why, considering the design goals, you consider it to be badly designed.
Finally, what alternative would you recomend, and why.
Of course, I don't expect a reply, because this is just another language bashing AC troll, but I thought I'd say my piece anyway. :)
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I'f your feeling brave, and want to explore this concept then read Jim Copliens book Multi-Paradig m Design for C++
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Just what I expected, my browser's not compatable with the future. Damn it. I'll have to go invent a time machine instead. See you in ten minutes (your time). :)
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Good god man.
I didn't even know it went as low as -5 !
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Someday. When they get round to it...
http://www.theonion.com/onio n3613/south_postpones.html
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Actually, its fine to have x86 specific stuff in your code, as long as you #def around it. Most programmers will do a nice high level version first, then replace it with an (often platform specific) optermisation. Well thats fine, but just don't throw out the origanal, *you* may not nead it anymore, but as the above author writes, some people do. Platform independance comes at a price, and that price is performace. You *can* have it both ways. Or something. Thad
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"You don't want to be one of those mindless futurists, you want to be a mindless ludite like me." Who's he to tell me what I want? The Bastard.
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Sorry in advance, this has become a rant...
And whats wrong with that? Its their business, its their choice. They can let you do as much, or as little as you like with their systems. As the old saying goes, You pays your money you makes your choice. You don't like that they ban napster? Change your ISP, or set up your own, then see how much freedom you want to manage your bandwidth. Access to the net isn't your birth right, its provided by a business who are free to make their own rules (limited by law, obviosly).
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This is another one of Peters bullsh*t stories to keep the press interested. He's a media genius, nothing else.
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Disclaimer: I've never worked with him, or even met him, but I have met several people who have, and their storys are consistent.
I'd love to tell you the story about a party he threw, involving a chilli, and a bouncy castle, but its probably libellous. :)
Thad
(Aright I'm joking about a bit, but the question's a real one...)
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Is going to return to the live performance. In the long run we all know that the mp3 movement, and the distribution of media generally, cannot be surpressed. I see the future, and its in live performance. The music industry is going to change, there will be more bands, making less money, those bands will use the internet for publicity, and making earn their livlyhood from live performance. I think this will be a change for the better, as the industrys wealth will be ditributed more evenly, and going to gigs is much fun.
Thad
This is a matter of communication of designs, verses distribution of implementation. If I write some source code and post it to a newsgroup as a demonstration of an idea, or as a point for discussion, then I am communicating an idea to other people, in an expressive language.
A piece of hardware would have been designed, and those designs could be counted as free speech as well. A program source code is a design that we have automated construction mechanisms for (compilers).
This is the difference between patents and trade secrets, a patent protects published design from beeing implemented without permission. The design can be distributed, you just can't legally implement that design, build the mashine, or, I would assume, compile patent protected source code. A compiled program can be analogous to a complex mashine, with a design protected by obscurity, and analogous to a trade secret.
It would be interesting to compare the laws on reproduction of copy right protected literature. What is fair use? Can you recite a poem in public? What about the performance of a musical piece? How does this compare with what we would expect / hope the law would be on source code? Is it fair? I hope these questions will prompt discussion... :)
PS: Having re-read this, I have decided that the key issue is the automated construction bit. This is what muddies the waters, and makes life difficult for those that make the laws, as it makes the implemntation of a protected design trivial for an individual. Its all about empowering the people. Its a good thing, but I'd nead to organise my ideas before attempting to write about it, that what makes slashdot difficult, once youve spent the time considering and idea, you might be to late. Cute that in the time its taken me to write this, the message I'm repling to has gone from (Score:1) to (Score:4) so this might get read...
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Example:
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http://www.askjesus.org/ask.cgi?http://slashdot.or g/comments.pl?sid=00/04/03/2152228&cid=7
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Its internet time dude. Internet Time. People in this industry don't get to sleep. Sleep is for the weak. Its not just Amaricans that read geek news. The worlds full of geeks. They all need news. All of them. All the time. No time to stop. Don't stop. News. Geeks. Awake. Work. Argrhghg.
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http://www.dailyradar.com/news/game_ news_2506.html for more information.
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It is. For one, these voice to text systems use "close" microphoes. I chatted to some guy from Dragon Systems about it, and even had a go at trying to get his microphone to pick up something that I said, and they just doesn't work like that.
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