Tried to load yahoo.com on my pc but got redirected to my local version. I guess you're not talking about the (imo horrible) flat, blocky, sparse design most websites are gravitating to these days.
You'll probably agree...but it's funny that Microsoft have also jumped into this let's-change-UI-for-the-sake-of-it bandwagon.
"Windows...now following the footsteps of Linux!"
Politicians here are too scared to be called xenophobes and racists and thus they don't do much to prevent immigration.
We're getting a huge influx of uneducated people from cultures very different from ours. This is obviously gonna have a very negative effect on Europe but, as I said, political correctness trumps common sense here.
Some countries are taking whatever posessions they have from the refugees and they're being criticised by some people, even when such a measure will only take a few hundred euros at most while we're investing thousands on them.
We're digging our own tomb:(
I'm not an expert on these things but I think what happens is that you have a "basic" effect if you don't have the appropiate hardware and a "pretty" one if you have. That's the case for example with Batman Arkham City: If you have an Nvidia card on a PC you get pretty but non-essential-to-gameplay graphical effects and you get simpler effects otherwise (consoles or AMD cards on PC).
tl dr: The games usually work on several platforms but have extra effects on PCs with Nvidia cards.
Women seem to have a thing for men who do courageous things or things that put you in great danger.
I might have to do something like that... but must be something that doesn't land me in jail
I don't actually think it'll be relevant until it's available in the consoles since very few houses develop exclusively for PCs.
That would delay the mainstream usage of HBM until the next console generation
Microsoft are still at the top by a wide margin in the PC market. The problem is that PC sales keep shrinking and they have a very small market share on mobile, where the growth and future seems to be.
That's why they're so desperate to get everyone on Win 10 because they think it'll help them gain marketshare on mobile, not because they're any smaller than they've been on the desktop.
+100 Insightful.
Telemetry should be opt in. period. In fact we should push politicians to make all data logging illegal unless explicitly allowed and it should also be possible to disable it completely.
Aggresively looking for alternatives? Well, I've made my mind to stop using Windows when using 7 is no longer viable but sadly most people don't give a shit. That's why then can keep doing these things:(
Well, It's not easy to measure but I can assure you many many people was upset by Windows 8 UI changes respect to 7.
Compared to what Win 8 did, Windows 95 to 7 are practically identical.
But yes, it doesn't seem to make people migrate away from Windows which goes to say what a firm grip they have in the desktop market (duh). In my case they have me by the balls cause I'm a gamer. I'm thinking to switching to Win 10 as a game console and Linux for everything else when using 7 is no longer feasible
If Windows 10 UI changes irk me to no end I can't imagine how they must upset the kind of users you're speaking about.
Sadly, not even user complaints can get Ms to make a new Windows with a "familiar" UI.
I've been using mostly cross platform open source software lately and that may prove invaluable when I can no longer realistically keep using Win 7 and switch to Linux.
Very insightful. A pity I don't have mod points.
Many companies have seen that customers are upgrading less and less often and have switched to a subscription model to keep the money flowing. An obvious case is Adobe. Ms themselves are also heavily pushing Office subscriptions over the regular purchase versions. With Windows 10 they've gone the Google model: Use your data to make money.
I had already modded but I just had to write this comment.
It's much worse: Not only, as you say, we get horrible, crippled websites on smartphones, they're also progressively becoming the only version of many websites. Also, the crippled, full-of-whitespace UIs of mobile apps are invading "proper" programs on desktop OS (see Windows 10 and many of its applications, including the, according to MS, browser of the future, MS Edge).
Summing up, we get the worst UIs in websites and applications both on mobile and desktop devices. It makes want to travel back in time 10 years:(
I share your pain.
I tried the other day this new Edge browser everyone is talking about. I started my Windows 10 VM (which I don't do often) and there it was: An application with an interface designed for cellphones and that barely had any options. It's almost as bad as when Ms forced users to use an UI made for desktops on the PocketPC handhelds.
If this is the future that awaits desktop programs I want to live in the past
Yeah, I love Android but the update policy is atrocious. I'm not for Google gaining an Apple-like control of the OS - I think the enhancements by the OEMs are sometimes valuable - but security updates should definitely be managed in a better way
Yes, we the geeks create the code that implements those stupid policies but that's how being employed by a company works: Yo do what they tell you (within the law) and you get paid. I mean, these horrible practices probably come from marketers and "money" people.
Alas, you're correct too with respect to common people: They don't care much they're forced to use online accounts and services for the most stupidest of things and without a majority of people rejecting those services they won't go away.
The tech future looks bleak:(
I'm in this situation also: I like Windows 7 but can't stand 10. I'll continue to use 7 as long as I can, then I'll probably go Linux and maybe a secondary Win 10 partition just for gaming.
I'd pay good money to have a Windows 7 with the internals of 10 but I guess Microsoft thinks we're too few to be worth it.
I'd like to believe you because I really want a new Windows with a Win 7-like UI (and philosophy) but I don't think it will happen.
I dislike Win 10 so much I'm thinking of moving to Linux when Win 7 is no longer a viable desktop OS. They only need to do another Win 7 to keep me but it seems they don't want my money (of course I'd pay for a license the same the Win 7 I'm running cost me).
But hey, we've got to make the application look modern that is: have the same mobile-inspired, mostly-filled-with-whitespace-and-large-letters UI everyone else has.
Sensible UIs? That's so passé...
They do have good products and I really like Windows 7 but I also think Windows 10 is abusive and disrespectful of users.
I'm in a difficult position since I like gaming and there's no real alternative to Windows.
I might go with a double boot system in the future and use the Windows partition as a games console, and Linux for everything else
Yep, It's forced them to compete because otherwise they would be in trouble as more and more people leave PCs for mobiles and tablets.
What I wish they hadn't done is trying to unify interfaces between desktop Windows and Windows Phone. It's ruined desktop Windows IMHO
Totally agree. You need look no further than Windows 10:
Edge, the new, wonderful browser that Microsoft wants you to use has a mobile UI even on a desktop, and has very few options
Microsoft have stated that all the configuration will be moved to the new "Settings" app and the Control Panel will be removed
One can imagine this trend will continue until Windows 10 for desktops is more or less the same as the one for mobiles.
I'm not against of makings things easy for novices but not at the cost of making them more difficult, cumbersome for power users
+1 to that.
To me a computer is a tool and I find arbitrary change in UI irritating.
The concepts of menus, toolbars and so on that have been mostly the same for 30 years on GUIs and now are being discarded as obsolete by modern designers.
It's logical that the interfaces for touchscreens are different but the problem is that now those interfaces are being applied to desktop programs as well. And they're less efficient and certainly not optimal for desktop apps.
I don't want to spoil the party for anyone. You can have your "mobile" UIs on desktop PCs if you want as long as I get the option to use the classic, dense and featureful UI, but the problem is that option is available less and less often
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Tried to load yahoo.com on my pc but got redirected to my local version. I guess you're not talking about the (imo horrible) flat, blocky, sparse design most websites are gravitating to these days.
You'll probably agree...but it's funny that Microsoft have also jumped into this let's-change-UI-for-the-sake-of-it bandwagon.
"Windows...now following the footsteps of Linux!"
Politicians here are too scared to be called xenophobes and racists and thus they don't do much to prevent immigration. :(
We're getting a huge influx of uneducated people from cultures very different from ours. This is obviously gonna have a very negative effect on Europe but, as I said, political correctness trumps common sense here.
Some countries are taking whatever posessions they have from the refugees and they're being criticised by some people, even when such a measure will only take a few hundred euros at most while we're investing thousands on them.
We're digging our own tomb
I'm not an expert on these things but I think what happens is that you have a "basic" effect if you don't have the appropiate hardware and a "pretty" one if you have. That's the case for example with Batman Arkham City: If you have an Nvidia card on a PC you get pretty but non-essential-to-gameplay graphical effects and you get simpler effects otherwise (consoles or AMD cards on PC).
tl dr: The games usually work on several platforms but have extra effects on PCs with Nvidia cards.
Women seem to have a thing for men who do courageous things or things that put you in great danger.
I might have to do something like that... but must be something that doesn't land me in jail
I don't actually think it'll be relevant until it's available in the consoles since very few houses develop exclusively for PCs.
That would delay the mainstream usage of HBM until the next console generation
Microsoft are still at the top by a wide margin in the PC market. The problem is that PC sales keep shrinking and they have a very small market share on mobile, where the growth and future seems to be.
That's why they're so desperate to get everyone on Win 10 because they think it'll help them gain marketshare on mobile, not because they're any smaller than they've been on the desktop.
If I'm not mistaken Project Cars supports Occulus Rift but maybe that only works on a PC.
Just thought you might be interested in that
+100 Insightful. Telemetry should be opt in. period. In fact we should push politicians to make all data logging illegal unless explicitly allowed and it should also be possible to disable it completely. :(
Aggresively looking for alternatives? Well, I've made my mind to stop using Windows when using 7 is no longer viable but sadly most people don't give a shit. That's why then can keep doing these things
Well, It's not easy to measure but I can assure you many many people was upset by Windows 8 UI changes respect to 7.
Compared to what Win 8 did, Windows 95 to 7 are practically identical.
But yes, it doesn't seem to make people migrate away from Windows which goes to say what a firm grip they have in the desktop market (duh). In my case they have me by the balls cause I'm a gamer. I'm thinking to switching to Win 10 as a game console and Linux for everything else when using 7 is no longer feasible
If Windows 10 UI changes irk me to no end I can't imagine how they must upset the kind of users you're speaking about.
Sadly, not even user complaints can get Ms to make a new Windows with a "familiar" UI.
I've been using mostly cross platform open source software lately and that may prove invaluable when I can no longer realistically keep using Win 7 and switch to Linux.
Very insightful. A pity I don't have mod points.
Many companies have seen that customers are upgrading less and less often and have switched to a subscription model to keep the money flowing. An obvious case is Adobe. Ms themselves are also heavily pushing Office subscriptions over the regular purchase versions. With Windows 10 they've gone the Google model: Use your data to make money.
I had already modded but I just had to write this comment. :(
It's much worse: Not only, as you say, we get horrible, crippled websites on smartphones, they're also progressively becoming the only version of many websites. Also, the crippled, full-of-whitespace UIs of mobile apps are invading "proper" programs on desktop OS (see Windows 10 and many of its applications, including the, according to MS, browser of the future, MS Edge).
Summing up, we get the worst UIs in websites and applications both on mobile and desktop devices. It makes want to travel back in time 10 years
I share your pain.
I tried the other day this new Edge browser everyone is talking about. I started my Windows 10 VM (which I don't do often) and there it was: An application with an interface designed for cellphones and that barely had any options. It's almost as bad as when Ms forced users to use an UI made for desktops on the PocketPC handhelds.
If this is the future that awaits desktop programs I want to live in the past
Yeah, I love Android but the update policy is atrocious. I'm not for Google gaining an Apple-like control of the OS - I think the enhancements by the OEMs are sometimes valuable - but security updates should definitely be managed in a better way
Yep, I'm planning on staying on Win 7 as long as possible and then move to Linux and use Win 10 exclusively as a games console.
I don't like Windows 10 much but I find iOS and Android terribly limiting for what's supposed to be a general purpose computer
Yes, we the geeks create the code that implements those stupid policies but that's how being employed by a company works: Yo do what they tell you (within the law) and you get paid. I mean, these horrible practices probably come from marketers and "money" people. :(
Alas, you're correct too with respect to common people: They don't care much they're forced to use online accounts and services for the most stupidest of things and without a majority of people rejecting those services they won't go away.
The tech future looks bleak
I'm in this situation also: I like Windows 7 but can't stand 10. I'll continue to use 7 as long as I can, then I'll probably go Linux and maybe a secondary Win 10 partition just for gaming.
I'd pay good money to have a Windows 7 with the internals of 10 but I guess Microsoft thinks we're too few to be worth it.
I'd like to believe you because I really want a new Windows with a Win 7-like UI (and philosophy) but I don't think it will happen.
I dislike Win 10 so much I'm thinking of moving to Linux when Win 7 is no longer a viable desktop OS. They only need to do another Win 7 to keep me but it seems they don't want my money (of course I'd pay for a license the same the Win 7 I'm running cost me).
But hey, we've got to make the application look modern that is: have the same mobile-inspired, mostly-filled-with-whitespace-and-large-letters UI everyone else has.
Sensible UIs? That's so passé...
They do have good products and I really like Windows 7 but I also think Windows 10 is abusive and disrespectful of users.
I'm in a difficult position since I like gaming and there's no real alternative to Windows.
I might go with a double boot system in the future and use the Windows partition as a games console, and Linux for everything else
Yep, It's forced them to compete because otherwise they would be in trouble as more and more people leave PCs for mobiles and tablets.
What I wish they hadn't done is trying to unify interfaces between desktop Windows and Windows Phone. It's ruined desktop Windows IMHO
One can imagine this trend will continue until Windows 10 for desktops is more or less the same as the one for mobiles.
I'm not against of makings things easy for novices but not at the cost of making them more difficult, cumbersome for power users
+1 to that.
To me a computer is a tool and I find arbitrary change in UI irritating.
The concepts of menus, toolbars and so on that have been mostly the same for 30 years on GUIs and now are being discarded as obsolete by modern designers.
It's logical that the interfaces for touchscreens are different but the problem is that now those interfaces are being applied to desktop programs as well. And they're less efficient and certainly not optimal for desktop apps.
I don't want to spoil the party for anyone. You can have your "mobile" UIs on desktop PCs if you want as long as I get the option to use the classic, dense and featureful UI, but the problem is that option is available less and less often