Multiple for profit companies use GPLed software to make business...
Can you name them? I'm only really interested in those that are doing above the industry averages on key financials such as ROI, as I assume you mean without detriment.
Last I checked "FOSS friendly" shops (ie Sun, Redhat, etc) were doing quite poorly indeed. Well below average returns in their sector - suggesting that their business models are, frankly, crap.
It's thanks to this man we have Linux and other Free software.
No, its thanks to Linus. All RMS has done is made himself a laughing stock. Hows HURD going retard? Did you trade the source for more bongs you smelly hippy? Guess you realised your source code does have commercial value when you are really gasping for a reefer and a haircut.
Haha. The amount I charge for an hour of development time is fixed whether or not the person paying the bills is giving the code away under GPL or not.
Strangely the people who pay the bills don't feel quite so inclined to be altruistic, and decide they want to perhaps be businesslike and get some sort of return on their investment, which isn't in happy hippy thoughts.
If there was code/libraries available for us to use, then we consider them. The majority of commerical libraries we use are worth around an hour of my time - we get them with code or code-escrow - and we can't be fucked maintaining them anyway. The only relevance of GPL is that it would significantly reduce the value of my client's investment to save a few hundred bucks of library cost. The "freedom to tinker" is completely irrelevant - my client can either pay me to modify a (GPL) library, or can pay the vendor - who will work more efficiently, and provide a supported solution.
Yes, the commercial model means that low rent developers can't use some nice shiny tools. Bad fucking luck. They don't have the resources to pool in to license them, and if it was GPL they wouldn't have the resources to contribute anything useful either. Thats the thing about what we call "money". Instead of inefficiently contributing to some project, you can go and do something you are best at, get some money at your maximum efficiency, and contribute the *money* to the project, and then the experts at the project can apply it with maximum efficiency, with good healthy competition keeping them honest.
Yes only Stallman would walk into a El Swanko, order a meal and then demand: 1) The recipe 2) The business plan 3) The financial statements for the last 7 years
And then leave in huff when hes given the finger:P
Damn right. I also notice that a lot of code under commercial-friendly licenses (BSD/Apache/to a lesser extent LGPL) is often of much higher quality than the GPL'd offerings. I'd put this down to professionals being happy to donate code back to these projects without legal hassles when its not their core business.
The GPL is for programmers with pretensions over how valuable their source code is. People that think that their code is worth even more than a trivial license fee - and that its worth any software ever built on top of it. Its ridiculous.
Despite how much RMS tries to push his hippy agenda, the commerical licensing model of pooling resources to build components, which are then resold, while competing against others is just more efficient. I mean seriously, most experts like to be paid in something useful, like money. People that provide the money want ROI.
I actually agree with RMS that Firefox isn't really open source. Google funds development - gets a bunch of search/anti-phishing eyeballs. Its "open source" - but this is only a gimmick to attract users (and get loads of crappy themes in/contrib). Its better than IE for security, but not orders of magnitude (and certainly doesn't approach Opera). Its not like theyre getting "10 Billion Downloads!" on/trunk:P
Is that the Google Search Bar which installed by default when I installed a minor update to the JRE? Cocksuckers didn't even ask me, if I used the "Recommended Settings" - it just suddenly appeared.
OpenGL is a fucking terrible API. It used to be good, and then it was just snowballing vendor extensions one after the other.
DirectX is one of MS's APIs that makes me pleased. They have no qualms about dumping older interfaces (eg: new DX10 model, compute shaders coming in DX11). If only they had less legacy support in other areas.
Im hoping the next major Windows revision takes a lot from their singularity research OS, and runs any legacy crap in a VM.
Seems to be trending down along with the NASDAQ in pretty much lockstep. Twitter, you remind me of the local doomsday cult. Theyve been predicting the end of times unsuccessfully now for almost ten years.
And I'm not sure where this "No transparancy on intel chips comes from". My girls shitty old Lenovo 3000 series runs aero glass and a generous helping of spyware without an issue.
Exactly... and another tip: Stop selling 5 year old games for the same price as AAA titles. People wouldn't buy their games secondhand if they could get them new for $20!
(Yeah I know the pic is of a drivered BHP rather than Rio train... but it does give you an idea of the scale).
The argument for driverless is that because they take the best part of a day to perform an emergency stop, the family car stalled on the crossing is going to be pulverised regardless of the skill of a human operator. The largest fragment left over from these collisions is usually a few inches in size. Fortunately they don't happen that often.
Well we would use 7zip, but theres bugger all point in having that installed where theres so much rar'd shit that it can't handle properly.
Also Winrar is like... ten bucks. I got pissed off to at least the value of $10 last time I found out that a bunch of shit I downloaded wasn't in fact corrupt, and it was just 7zip lying about it.
That ten bucks is a hell of a lot cheaper than wasting my time with a bug report / *gasp* patching it myself.
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The policy is the spawn of "Family" First Senator Fielding, who is the spawn of the Paradise Community Church.... but anyway...
The correct response to this behaviour is "enjoy maintaining your own fork, asstard".
Can you name them? I'm only really interested in those that are doing above the industry averages on key financials such as ROI, as I assume you mean without detriment.
Last I checked "FOSS friendly" shops (ie Sun, Redhat, etc) were doing quite poorly indeed. Well below average returns in their sector - suggesting that their business models are, frankly, crap.
No, its thanks to Linus. All RMS has done is made himself a laughing stock. Hows HURD going retard? Did you trade the source for more bongs you smelly hippy? Guess you realised your source code does have commercial value when you are really gasping for a reefer and a haircut.
clever -> childish
name -> attempt
It's a very childish attempt.
Yeah because the average user is going to be willing to pay for support..
How about you rethink whether you can actually afford to use the shiny software toys?
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Haha. The amount I charge for an hour of development time is fixed whether or not the person paying the bills is giving the code away under GPL or not.
Strangely the people who pay the bills don't feel quite so inclined to be altruistic, and decide they want to perhaps be businesslike and get some sort of return on their investment, which isn't in happy hippy thoughts.
If there was code/libraries available for us to use, then we consider them. The majority of commerical libraries we use are worth around an hour of my time - we get them with code or code-escrow - and we can't be fucked maintaining them anyway. The only relevance of GPL is that it would significantly reduce the value of my client's investment to save a few hundred bucks of library cost. The "freedom to tinker" is completely irrelevant - my client can either pay me to modify a (GPL) library, or can pay the vendor - who will work more efficiently, and provide a supported solution.
Yes, the commercial model means that low rent developers can't use some nice shiny tools. Bad fucking luck. They don't have the resources to pool in to license them, and if it was GPL they wouldn't have the resources to contribute anything useful either. Thats the thing about what we call "money". Instead of inefficiently contributing to some project, you can go and do something you are best at, get some money at your maximum efficiency, and contribute the *money* to the project, and then the experts at the project can apply it with maximum efficiency, with good healthy competition keeping them honest.
Yes only Stallman would walk into a El Swanko, order a meal and then demand:
1) The recipe
2) The business plan
3) The financial statements for the last 7 years
And then leave in huff when hes given the finger :P
Ah, a Gentoo user! Welcome!
Damn right. I also notice that a lot of code under commercial-friendly licenses (BSD/Apache/to a lesser extent LGPL) is often of much higher quality than the GPL'd offerings. I'd put this down to professionals being happy to donate code back to these projects without legal hassles when its not their core business.
The GPL is for programmers with pretensions over how valuable their source code is. People that think that their code is worth even more than a trivial license fee - and that its worth any software ever built on top of it. Its ridiculous.
Despite how much RMS tries to push his hippy agenda, the commerical licensing model of pooling resources to build components, which are then resold, while competing against others is just more efficient. I mean seriously, most experts like to be paid in something useful, like money. People that provide the money want ROI.
I actually agree with RMS that Firefox isn't really open source. Google funds development - gets a bunch of search/anti-phishing eyeballs. Its "open source" - but this is only a gimmick to attract users (and get loads of crappy themes in /contrib). Its better than IE for security, but not orders of magnitude (and certainly doesn't approach Opera). Its not like theyre getting "10 Billion Downloads!" on /trunk :P
You mean like Opera Link, which is included with Opera?
The problem is that IR lamps will make everyone hot. We should pick a frequency that won't heat up the body, but will stop the recording.
A strong gamma source should do it...
I see what you did their...
Is that the Google Search Bar which installed by default when I installed a minor update to the JRE? Cocksuckers didn't even ask me, if I used the "Recommended Settings" - it just suddenly appeared.
Fucking terrible behaviour.
OpenGL is a fucking terrible API. It used to be good, and then it was just snowballing vendor extensions one after the other.
DirectX is one of MS's APIs that makes me pleased. They have no qualms about dumping older interfaces (eg: new DX10 model, compute shaders coming in DX11). If only they had less legacy support in other areas.
Im hoping the next major Windows revision takes a lot from their singularity research OS, and runs any legacy crap in a VM.
Seems to be trending down along with the NASDAQ in pretty much lockstep. Twitter, you remind me of the local doomsday cult. Theyve been predicting the end of times unsuccessfully now for almost ten years.
And I'm not sure where this "No transparancy on intel chips comes from". My girls shitty old Lenovo 3000 series runs aero glass and a generous helping of spyware without an issue.
Leave Anonymous Coward alone!!!!!! *tears*
Exactly. Shit like encoding movies etc is coffee-time. I couldnt give two shits about 20mins vs 22mins....
Exactly... and another tip: Stop selling 5 year old games for the same price as AAA titles. People wouldn't buy their games secondhand if they could get them new for $20!
Hrmmmm, I'd go with the vehicle because there is more than one autonomous train on the network. The rail... well I'd call that infrastructure.
Its a bit fuzzy. The trains obviously are under central control as well.
Is the bee or the hive the individual?
To put some numbers on this a small ship loading plant hits an easy 300 megatonne per annum. The cost of downtime on a line is around $500 a second.
I would say the distinction would go to Australia's driverless ore trains when commissioned in 2013.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Port_Hedland,_Western_Australia.jpg
(Yeah I know the pic is of a drivered BHP rather than Rio train... but it does give you an idea of the scale).
The argument for driverless is that because they take the best part of a day to perform an emergency stop, the family car stalled on the crossing is going to be pulverised regardless of the skill of a human operator. The largest fragment left over from these collisions is usually a few inches in size. Fortunately they don't happen that often.
Well we would use 7zip, but theres bugger all point in having that installed where theres so much rar'd shit that it can't handle properly.
Also Winrar is like... ten bucks. I got pissed off to at least the value of $10 last time I found out that a bunch of shit I downloaded wasn't in fact corrupt, and it was just 7zip lying about it.
That ten bucks is a hell of a lot cheaper than wasting my time with a bug report / *gasp* patching it myself.
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