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Boot Windows Vista In Four Seconds
arcticstoat writes "Asus' budget motherboard wing, ASRock, claims that it's found a way to load a clean boot of Windows from a full shut down in just four seconds, using its new Instant Boot technology. The technology takes advantage of the S3 and S4 features of ACPI, which normally enable the Sleep/Standby and Hibernation modes in Windows respectively. However, by calling them at different times in the boot-up and shutdown process, Instant Boot enables you to boot up to your Windows desktop in three to four seconds, even after a proper shut down. Two modes are available; Fast mode, which uses S3 and boots up in around four seconds, and Regular Mode, which uses S4 and apparently takes between 20 and 22 seconds to boot. The advantage of Instant Boot when compared with normal Sleep and Hibernation modes is that you get the advantage of a clean boot of Windows, without what ASRock calls 'accumulated garbage data,' and you also get the security of knowing that you won't lose any data if there's a power cut and you lose AC power. There's also a video of it in action at the link above."
Those guys in the video are having WAY too much fun with their jobs. "Why your computer boot so fast? I must get ASRock motherboard!"
Now I know why ASUS mobos tend to be so good. They encourage a fun workplace. ;-)
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ASRock is not ASUS. Hua Ching, the subsidiary that was spun off from ASUS is not any longer a part of the ASUS organization. See http://www.theinquirer.net/en/inquirer/news/2002/11/05/asus-distances-itself-from-asrock-subsidiary for details. There are a number of companies locally and elsewhere that have been pushing cheap ASRock mainboards as being the same quality as ASUS mainboards. We have seen many issues with the ASRock mainboards, both in premature failure and incompatibilities, that we have not seen at all in ASUS mainboards. ASUS has its own low-end set of mainboards and they are much better than the ASRock, from my experience. The sooner this sort of misinformation gets sorted out, the better informed the consumer will be.
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Unfortunately a proper shutdown takes 2 minutes ....
I had an ASRock that was a hybrid DDR1/DDR2 and AGP/PCI-E. It was a great board to help make the transition, back when RAM was a fortune and I didn't want to pay for a new video card. Nice board for less than $100.
I didn't know they were an ASUS subsidiary. Figures, as ASUS, well, rocks.
I wonder if something like this could be done with Linux now that 2.6.27.5 has been out for a few days and that situation with the RESET_REG_SUP bit has been resolved. This certainly is great news for Vista users looking for a new board.
I'd boot Vista off my work PC in a millisecond if I could
It sounds like all they did was allow you to store a Hibernate to Disk snapshot of your system at startup before anything else gets done- which is technically cheating. ANYTHING can boot up in about 4 or seconds that way. :-D
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Did they automate the logon? I wouldn't want something on my system that just drops to desktop. ESPECIALLY if I have to go travelling and can't have the laptop in my possession at all times.
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How can you get "the advantage of a clean boot" and NOT loose data?
Their times and claims (except for the clean boot part) sound EXACTLY like normal standby and hibernate.
And you're posting on Slashdot. What have you done to help save the economy?
Seriously.
They never show the shutdown process - my guess is that when you shutdown, it actually reboots, then right after Windows boots it puts it to sleep or hibernate (S3/S4). When you turn it back on, it wakes it and looks like you "just" booted up.
Not really a bad idea I suppose - moves the boot time from boot to shutdown, when you are less likely to care.
Of course you can get the same effect yourself by rebooting then just putting your machine to sleep when you want to shutdown. Someone could probably even write a simple software solution for this rather than requiring a whole new motherboard.
FTFA: Instant Boot will also only work on Windows systems (XP or Vista) with a single-user account and no password protection.
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That was my first thought too. Do they make any attempts at detecting whether the OS was updated, or new software was installed that requires a reboot, so they can perform a full boot and update the startup snapshot when needed?
Does it come prepackaged with winrar serials, cracks, M$ documents and source code?
Given the flowcharts (not the shiny video that catches your attention first) it appears that instead of shutting down, they simply reboot the system and once it reaches the state where the OS has finished loaded it then goes to sleep or hibernate. Once you power it back on it just returns to the freshly loaded OS.
So it appears that while it starts up faster, you should end up spending more time shutting down (actually rebooting and reloading the OS). You could also do this manually by rebooting Windows and once it gets to the desktop/login screen go into hibernate/sleep.
A lot of us don't actually know what S3 and S4 are.
...when the power fails or the pc/laptop can't receive power? Will it_then_boot in 4 seconds?
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My guess, is that it wouldn't matter. As when you turn off their computer, they probably behind the scenes turn it back on again. Then hibernate. So a normal "reboot" would be a little slower than usual, and to a user every power on is like opening a fresh copy.
I pulled on a pair of boots and managed to beat their time by more than 3 seconds.
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my computer can take atleast that long to get past the bios screen before it even starts to boot vista, if we are going for 15-20 second boots, the bios needs work aswell as the OS
A lot of us don't actually know what S3 and S4 are.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACPI#Power_States
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A lot of us don't actually know what S3 and S4 are.
You will after reading this article...
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Not quite as useful as it seems at first glance...
You're absolutely right: it only works for about 95% of home users out there (a conservative estimate). Now, if it booted Linux as well, then it would be useful!
Surely the faster Windows can boot, the more work can be done by employees? :o)
This is still cheating - it's first of all not actually booting but suspending/resuming (albeit smartly).
Most importantly the system is not actually shut down, so it still draws power to refresh the memory. This will likely suck on high-performance laptops where the large amounts of ram with high voltages will suck the battery dry in a substantially short time.
And worse, this technology will take a _long_ time to shutdown. It's sacrificing a lot. We can (really) boot+shutdown a linux box in +- 10 seconds. Would you want a 3 second boot if your shutdown time becomes one minute?
For people who are on the go a lot and tend to open/close their laptops a lot, this may actually reduce their effective work time a lot.
To be fair, it took me a little longer to give Vista the boot. I tried it for a few weeks before booting it, and reinstalling XP.
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How long until a Linux Distro uses that type of Motherboard for doing that? ALso... I want to see how fast Gentoo boots with that... What kind of implications would this have for servers / hypervisors?
Correct. That is exactly what they do. So they just shift the boot time to be part of the shutdown time, so when you arrive at your computer again, and turn it on, you are just unsuspending it, or are loading an unusually clean hibernation file. This is a very interesting idea, but it is one that doe not need motherboard support. This can be done by the OS alone.
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So it works for a normal PC user?
It sounds like all they did was allow you to store a Hibernate to Disk snapshot of your system at startup before anything else gets done- which is technically cheating. ANYTHING can boot up in about 4 or seconds that way. :-D
Strange... my system takes MUCH LONGER to wake from hibernate than it does from a cold boot. I get some black/green screen that says 'resuming windows' for a few seconds, and then black for up to a minute, then the login screen where I enter my password, then my desktop comes up but the hard drive is working so hard that the system is basically unusable for another minute or two.
On the upside all my programs and windows and documents are right where I left them... but its not faster.
And worst of all about half the time when it gets to the login screen, it hasn't bothered to turn on power to the usb ports or something, because the keyboard and mouse are dead. So I have to power it off via the switch, and then power it back on -- it still ultimately resumes correctly, but it adds another minute or so.
I'd be much happier if I could resolve that issue though.
You already can boot linux in just a few seconds!
"Garbage data", garbage this and garbage those that windows users talk about all the time?
I have no garbage in my OS.
Sure, a couple of zombies, but those are harmless.
NO SIG
Hmm... I "booted" windows a few weeks ago. Took a little longer than 4 seconds, but i haven't had any windows trouble since...
There's a link with more info here: http://www.ubuntu.com/
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What it looks like they're doing:
1. They're taking a snapshot of the system that was made when you hibernated, and restoring that snapshot.
2. Next time you shut down it restores the same snapshot you made the first time, after your original clean boot.
The only real issue I see is that your file system cache (and any other file system state) now contains garbage, and will need to be invalidated (NOT FLUSHED). If the cache was left out of the original snapshot then just remounting the file system from scratch should solve that. This isn't really booting (you'll need to repeat the whole process after just about any time you modify system state, including a lot of things like registry changes), but it's also not specific to Windows and should DTRT with Linux, etc...
Hm, 3 seconds.. that'll be around what it took (ROM-based - but today one'd use flash, obviously) RISC OS to boot in 1987. 4MHz ARM-based, multitasking, modern GUI... ...and if you really wanted Windows, you'd boot the software 80188 emulator or wait until 1994 for the multi-architecture CPU slots, to run a 486/Pentium alongside your ARM.
We may have the commercialised Internet today, but nothing very interesting has happened with computers themselves that hadn't already happened by the end of the '80s.
Hurray, now I can reboot any number of times.
S3 is about as fast as opening the lid of your Macbook, after you've closed it without shutting down.
S4 is about as fast as powering up your Mac from scratch ;-)
What part of "a well regulated militia" do you not understand?
Windows XP Embedded/Windows Embedded Standard does this with the Hibernate Once Resume Many (HORM) feature. Very much the same process and concept, albeit a bit more automated, and for consumers and Vista.
Under 1 minute to boot Vista is fine with me. I get in, turn my laptop on, and by the time I've got my coat hung up, I'm at the login screen. Not even enough time to go to the bathroom. When did it become a bad thing that your computer starts up faster than the amount of time it takes to microwave something? FFS, 56k modems take longer to connect than it takes for a modern computer to boot.
{sarcasm}Are we sure they're not just turning on the monitor?{/sarcasm}
Oh Crap, I'm an optimist.....
Really? The OS can force my motherboard to support S3 and S4?
I've tried to relieve my pent up agression by on posting it on Youtube, but the audio preview always makes me feel bad about myself.
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Emphasis on "news for nerds"....it's not news for "stocktraders" or "economists" or even "lawyers".
Why not fix the issues with windows and the cheap commodity hardware that team up to cause the most OS's including linux and windows to get unstable and crash after more than a few cycles of suspending and resuming.
My Macbooks and Powerbooks have had flawless suspend restore activity allowing me to only boot the OS when I need to install an update. Teamed up with VMware Fusion I can run any of the x86 OS's in full screen mode in spaces and toggle through OS's effortlessly.
Why does it matter how fast a system boots anyway other than some geek masturbation contest? Real geeks don't boot their hardware at all. Its all about the uptime.
it won't boot vista in 4 sec, never. at startup 3 expired anti virus programs, 4 messengers, 3 weather programs, 2 ad block...
my [semi]free-market[read: state] economy
Whoa, that took a second to parse.
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You can probably still use a password, you just have to make Vista login automatically.
In the command prompt type 'control userpasswords2' and you can make Vista login automatically, while still having a password (so you can lock the terminal, etc).
Perhaps not, but the OS can detect when the user tells it to shutdown. Then, instead of shutting down directly, it reboots and upon reboot goes into hibernation.
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I wonder if something like this could be done with Linux now that 2.6.27.5 has been out for a few days and that situation with the RESET_REG_SUP bit has been resolved. This certainly is great news for Vista users looking for a new board.
It's been done in 5 seconds..
Doesn't even require a special motherboard, they did it by modifying Fedora on a EEE pc (something not known for it's speed)
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do the damn job properly!
The US Government is on the verge of nationalizing 3 failing automakers and you're concerned with how fast you can boot windows? Seriously? The failed
financial bailout may cause the US government to declare bankruptcy and you care about this shit? Get some priorities!
Okay, fine, instead of considering product purchases that would fix the economy, I'm going to take your advice and worry about the gubment bailing companies out.
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Wow, I see your point, that was so much more worthwhile than what I was doing before I read your post.
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A single-user account? Now how would the computer verify that? Secret biometrics check?
I'd be happier if they changed it to "News for Labradors". It really is an untouched demographic.
This is a joke. I am joking. Joke joke joke.
The video suffers from YouTube syndrome. Symptoms of this condition include one or more minutes of stuff we don't care about. The condition is most extreme when the event we care about is of short duration. Although it is not entirely curable, it can be treated by posting the time of the interesting event in the comments section. In this case, the event in question occurs at 2:38. Remember, this is a treatment not a cure. The treatment still consumes bandwidth and time. In the future, we may have a Flash plug-in where the annotation feature can be used to denote points of interest, with the ability to skip to a keyframe just before said point. Until then, only video posters can prevent YouTube syndrome. Remember, if the event of interest in your video is of short duration, the video should not be any more than twice as long as the actual event. Introduction, at most, should identify you and/or your company. Anything that can be explained more efficiently as text should be put in the little text section that appears in the upper right.
For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
It sounds like all they did was allow you to store a Hibernate to Disk ...
I don't think so. I routinely use hibernate and it takes around 20 seconds to boot back up. They're doing something beyond hibernate. In my case it doesn't really matter because I use a Sony CRT that takes 15 seconds to power on. So this feature would only save me around 5 seconds on boot.
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Products/Storage/Products_Overview.aspx?ProductID=2678&ProductName=i-RAM%20BOX
Just get an I-Ram and there you go. True, you'll only have a 4GB partition for your boot drive, but it's the real deal if you have to boot in 4 seconds. Yes, it's closer to 10-12 given the typical POST process, but since that varies from board to board, it is about 4 seconds total from the time Windows itself starts until it gets to the desktop.
When the 2.0 version someday comes out, it'll do 16GB, DDR2, and Sata 3.0. And I'll certainly buy one at that time.
This used to be called "cutting part off the string on this end and tying it to the other end". The technique is sometimes useful, but in this case, what if you're also concerned about shutdown time? For instance, I sometimes shut down my laptop at the end of a meeting for various reasons. Shutdown time is important because I have to wait until it shuts down completely before closing it, else it'll suspend and then resume shutting down when I'm trying to boot it up.
Windows *already* takes too long to shut down -- I'm not sure I want to wait even longer so it can also do prework for the next boot. Instead of tricks like this, why not load less cruft at boot?
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Because users are installing Windows XP printer drivers on Vista machines.
Work with Vista and users long enough and you'll hate both too.
If Vista took three years to boot it wouldn't be long enough.
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That's just priceless.
Who cares? Unless you need to reboot regularly, this isn't so attractive.
Besides, suspend-to-disk works just as well if you don't need a clean boot.
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I've virtually NEVER had windows work reliably after a hibernate/resume. I acknowledge that there is probably a hardware/software combination out there that can do it, but I've never encountered one.
For me, things just get unstable, and after 2 or 3 hibernates without a full shutdown, the whole system fails (if it didn't fail on the first resume).
So although this may work on a pristine install, the thought of owning one of these after a few patches from Microsoft, installing an anti-virus and a few drivers would scare the living crap out of me.
Reliable suspend alone is the justification I used (to myself) to move to the Mac.
How about a vote? I'm willing to wager a little karma on it. If you have a similar experience, mod me up--if windows suspend/resume works perfectly for you, mod me down.
Not to mention that it isn't useful for the vast majority of reasons you really need to reboot rather than hibernate or standby. Assuming other posters are correct, this is actually just changing your "shutdown" option to "reboot and immediately hibernate". That wouldn't decrease reboot time, so it doesn't help software installation (although rebooting for that reason is very rarely actually necessary). It also wouldn't help for hardware installation since the hibernated ram would not be aware of the hardware changes. Similarly, multiboot systems would be even worse off. (Never hibernate and boot a different OS if the two use a common partition.) So, while I like the idea from a "hey that's nifty" perspective, I can't see it actually being useful. Perhaps when Windows uptimes rarely could exceed a week there might have been a need for this technology.
Psst,
You are part of the government.
If you think you are living in an island, you are about to be surprised.
And unions have nothing to do with the current Automaker woes. Not. A. Damn. Thing.
It's upper managements fault for not preparing for the change in markets.
Parasite? what the hell are you talking about? Are you saying people shouldn't be paid for work?
God you are an idiot.
His post was not insightful, it is ignorant, emo, and self centered to the point of harm.
OTOH I should expect this from someone who can't even grasp why the current pledge of allegiance is a prayer.
ON a side note, at least we live in a society that allows you to go on and on spouting your ignorant drivel...no thanks to you.
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One of the annoying things is how long it takes to reboot a system, say, on Patch Tuesday.
This does nothing to speed that up.
What will help, and what Microsoft, Apple, and other OS vendors have been doing to some degree for years, is to
I haven't seen much in the way of allowing end-user-customizations for the average non-techie user, but the rest have been around in some form or other in Windows NT and its successors, OSX, Linux, and other OSes for quite some time.
Some third-party tools purport to monitor your system for awhile then optimize the boot time based on how you used the system during the training period. That's a good start.
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...to kick my windows. Oh, THAT boot? Nevermind.
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Touching Labradors...!!?? ...let's not go there.
clean boot of Windows, without what ASRock calls 'accumulated garbage data,'
you also get the security of knowing that you won't lose any data
You insensitive clod! All my data IS accumulated garbage!
Have gnu, will travel.
Shutdown time is important because I have to wait until it shuts down completely before closing it, else it'll suspend and then resume shutting down when I'm trying to boot it up.
That doesn't sound like the intended effect, and I would file a bug report.
Yeah, but what about the way Windows usually shuts down?
How much memory do you have? On my laptop, with 4GB of RAM, Hibernate takes a while... even a nice fast disk will take a while to read 4GB off the disk and copy it into memory.
have the fastest bluescreen ever!
seriously love how this is ASUS, inventor of the recently killed eeepc which booted linux in around 1 minute. now we've found a way to stop making fast affordable linux pcs because, oh hai! windows is fast now too!!!
Good people go to bed earlier.
I'm really beginning to like ASUS. Not only do I like their approach to hardware a lot, but that was the most straight forward, unintentionally entertaining, non-bullshit video I've EVER seen from a corporation. I mean, yeah, it was dippy YouTube stuff, but seriously; Can you imagine any other main stream computer company allowing their tech monkeys to represent the mothership without the message first passing through a legion of marketing directors, lawyers and various haircuts in suits? Hell no!
Imagine the plasticy, dumbed down crappola video with gawdawful elevator music and bad overlay graphic effects you would have gotten in nearly every other situation.
Damn. ASUS is run by humans!
-FL
Even then it should take a lot longer. Vista for me, with no non-startup programs seems to somehow take up 700 megs of RAM for me. It takes a while to read all of that... Although there are a few programs that I have running on startup (antivirus software, etc), those can't be more than 1-200 of space.
If this method can't be done with free software, it's because ACPI was made that way. If it can be but is not, it's because it's a bad idea.
Hmmm. Biased much?
The ACPI article on Wikipedia used to include your claim that Microsoft (or M$, whatever) somehow "sabotaged" it to hurt Linux, but it was removed by consensus because those Iowa emails prove absolutely nothing. Your premise is incorrect, as is your conclusion, and the comments on that journal you wrote reflect the same.
I'd ask you to prove me wrong and provide evidence that there is some sort of technical sabotage that affects the Linux implementation of ACPI, because I sure haven't been able to find any. Heck, I'll even add it to the Wikipedia entry.
And BTW, this has nothing whatsoever to do with UAC or DRM. Why even introduce those terms here?
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I find at work, the faster Windows boots, the sooner the headaches begin.
Sweet! Now you have the worst OS booted up in 4 seconds flat and ready to explode 3 seconds later! Sign me up!
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Shutdown time is important because I have to wait until it shuts down completely before closing it, else it'll suspend and then resume shutting down when I'm trying to boot it up.
Lol, I would call that a Windows bug rather than the way things should be. I would take that up with Microsoft to get that fixed.
It's been done in 5 seconds..
Doesn't even require a special motherboard, they did it by modifying Fedora on a EEE pc (something not known for it's speed)
And above all the strategy behind the speedy boots are completely different :
- Linux basically Just boots in 5 seconds. In a plain normal fashion. Everytime you push the button, no matter what, the system is up in 5 seconds (well except if you trashed your machine and disk have to be rechecked).
But it's a plain standard boot.
- Whereas, for Windows, ASRock has to resort to abusing the sleep/hibernate system. With the subtle difference is that they are not actually suspending the system to RAM/disk (in order to avoid accumulating garbage, as they say).
They are resuming a special suspended "freshly booted" state.
i.e.: when in fast boot mode, you are not actually booting Windows. You are resuming an image of a "Windows-that-just-got-started" suspend on RAM.
The main implication is that the first time you boot, and after each system update (and you know that, given microsoft's track of security, you're still going to have patches coming often) or any other change that might render the pre-suspended image obsolete, you can't do this. You have to go through a slow boot, rebuild a pre-suspended state, and only after that it'll work.
It's not a standard boot. It's not as robust as a real boot, and frequently it won't work. (not to mention that these pre-suspended image will be the perfect place to inject a vm-based rootkit).
In short : not as useful as you would hope.
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I wrote my congressman and both senators asking them not to support the bailouts. I voted not to reelect my congressman after he supported the first bailout. As an average citizen with no ties to anyone in politics, this is all I can do about this situation. What should I do with the rest of my day/week/month/year? Sit and stare at the wall?
You don't have to read all the memory off disk, only the pages that are in use. If the memory is literally free you could skip writing and reading it. And on a Windows OS lots of memory is used for disk caching so you could skip saving and restoring that too. You could even not store code pages, just the data.
Now I'm not sure whether all of these things are a good idea - particularly not storing code would make the machine very unresponsive after a resume as it paged stuff in in a storm of page faults - but the point is that you don't need to write all RAM to disk.
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thats just crazy!!#$% now who would want to get into vista that fast ?
but i know people who would love to pull out that fast
If they are using some onboard flash memory to store the clean hibernation file..
I don't leave my machine running overnight because 'PC boot so slow'. I leave it running because I have to restart and log into Outlook, my IDE, 1 or more dev servers, database server, source control, our *two* ticketing apps, our bug tracking app, occasionally the requirements tracking app, winamp, chrome for googling, Firefox for web testing, antivirus, plus all the corporate spyware the desktop folks run (you need one CPU just to run their spyware).
Four seconds? That's nothing. I booted Windows Vista the very second I got my new machine to make way for Ubuntu.
What's that, you didn't mean literally kick? I see.
I agree that is cheating- it is also however, bloody brilliant, just make a new hibernation snapshot once a week, good times, good loads.
I think this is an excellent time for a car analogy. In the coldest of winter, I sit in my tiny subcompact sedan for 10 minutes waiting for it to reach a normal operating temperature. Would it be so bad if they found a way to make the car warm up in 4 seconds, with the side effect being it takes an extra 15 minutes go cold again after I turn it off?
At the risk of sounding self-centered, I think a lot of computer users are like me. They approach their computer and want it to start working as quickly as possible. When they're done with it, it doesnt matter how long it takes to shut down because they're not waiting on it. Concerning your laptop, I think the problem is more with you having it set up to suspend when you close the lid, rather than a slow power down time. Maybe you should set it up so it suspends with a key combination rather than a screen closing event?
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This is really cool, in the way it changes the shutdown to a reboot-and-suspend -- with the extra step taking place silently, after the user shuts down.
However, consider a problem I have with my laptop that curiously has an intermittent problem suspending with XP. Normally, it is supposed to automatically suspend when I close the cover. But once in a while, it fails to enter suspend, and just hangs in a power-on mode (think it has something to do with bluetooth and/or wireless drivers).
In such cases, I would expect that next time I used it, I would end up taking my laptop out of its bag to find a dead battery. Practically, it hasn't happened, since you still get HDD access clicks (wouldn't happen with a solid state drive though), plus the enclosed storage space makes the cooling fan kick on, generating a lot of noise. If I want to enter suspend, I've learned to watch it a few moments instead of walking away immediately.
Shutdown time is important because I have to wait until it shuts down completely before closing it, else it'll suspend and then resume shutting down when I'm trying to boot it up.
Yeah, it's pretty retarded. Just the other day, I was running late. Hit 'shut down', waited a few seconds, closed the lid and put in a "laptop sleeve" of my bag.
When I pulled the laptop out of my bag, if felt like the thing was nearly on fire. Just as you said, it suspended the power off. Nearly burnt itself up in my bag and when I finally wanted to use it, it resumes the power off!
(And it's not a windows specific problem, I run Fedora. The whole situation just shouldn't happen, when the computer is powering off - it should ignore attempts to hiberate/standby.)
Some of us NEED or just WANT to power down or systems. We don't meed to justify why. So, this capability IS useful.
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I thought my 8 second bootup was fast.
4 seconds, wow.
Why?
Don't be apathetic. Procrastinate!
I'd be happier if they changed it to "News for Labradors"
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Using the S3 state to Instant boot may cause your system to be vulnerable to the memory swap exploit that was on slashdot about 2 months ago... I'd rather go with a regular boot. I mean, come on, I do a cold boot like once a week... 20-30 seconds ain't gonna make me more productive
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MobileTatsu-NJG (946591):
Your post is funny, but what you're really saying is that you have decided that you can't do anything about political issues. It may indeed be true that the USA is a two-party state where the citizens have no power, but ideally thoughtful people should react to that by trying to figure out some way to overcome that problem -- not by giving up. For you to sneer at someone who points that out seems like blackguarding.
for the horde?
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"The hands that help are better far than lips that pray." - Robert Ingersoll (1833-1899)
When they do that on the ASRock motherboard, Linux will have booted before you press the button.
Genesis 1:32 And God typed
and it does it on consumer level windows which is no way associated with long, stable uptimes. If there is memory leak, system leak, CPU hogging "service" it will be hibernated to disk and restored perfectly too.
just ask Mac Virtual PC 7 users why they stay away from saving virtual OS snapshot to disk and restoring it.
If there is a non enterprise windows version which has long uptimes without issues above, I apologise. I am not speaking about a Developer or nerd Windows desktop, a very regular one.
The sad thing is, both Windows and OS X shouldn't need reboot most of the times but companies (even including MS and Apple themselves) keep that old World thing. So Developers take them as example and you end up rebooting 10x more than needed.
Ask the big company admins, they keep doing regsvr32, "net stop" etc. tricks saving users from reboot all the time. It has something to do with NTFS too but you can stop things most of the time and the files will be closed.
I just installed Apple CHUD 4.6.1 , a huge thing with system frameworks, kernel extensions, daemons to my Tiger (old) OS X. It didn't need reboot. Same time, Quicktime requires a reboot. Or a printer driver software.
That's not a bug in Windows - it's a BIOS issue.
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If there is memory leak, system leak, CPU hogging "service" it will be hibernated to disk and restored perfectly too.
No it won't. You've obviously understood *nothing* about this method.
The whole point is that it does a normal shutdown, which will clear memory leaks etc.
Then it starts up cleanly. Then it does a suspend or hibernate of the clean startup.
The next time you startup it uses the clean hibernate image or resumes from the clean suspend.
The price you pay is slower shutdown because each shutdown includes a startup to make a clean image.
If you don't care about shutdown times, it's ideal and has no real drawbacks.
The global climate is fucked and you're worried about America going bust?
Get some priorities.
Now I can boot into an OS full of bugs in about 4 seconds! Wooohoo! Where can I place my order?
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But surely it is only snapshotting up to the Windows Log In screen?
By far the longest portion of the boot time is the post login shenanigans - waiting for the desktop to appear, and then starting up your usual applications.
In the meantime I've lost the time I use to grab a drink in the morning at work, and made shutdown far longer (and it takes long enough already).
The public booted Vista out the door in a good deal less than 4 seconds.
I use hibernation all the time, to the point where I don't use regular shutdown at all anymore and I've never noticed any kind of stability or performance 'generation loss', whether it be memory filling up or accumulating errors. Maybe this is because Microsoft still forces us to reboot when applying the Tuesday patches, but I have a hunch that actually today's systems are designed in such a way that problems if they occur don't accumulate. We're not living in the Windows 3.1 era anymore. For example, if a process terminates it's gone for good, normally without leaving anything behind even if it failed quite catastrophically. I also did a bit of mental math, and if you account for the fact that my computer is slower than theirs, my boot time (actually wake up from hibernation time) is equivalent to theirs. But hibernation has the advantage that all your documents and folders are still open, a feature that I can't live without anymore. And long computational tasks get paused and resumed without me having written extra code to support that.
Point taken and correct.
I have setup my machine to auto enter my user / pass, then to auto lock from a batch file once it's logged in.
Put in azureus, firefox etc in startup.
Sure it's slow as hell but I just re-boot, walk away, come back and things are good to go, not just login prompt.
Using an instanced image boot and still not getting numbers beyond a normal user on a generic system doing standby or hibernate? Really?
On an average system Vista SP1 should do a real full boot in 15-20 seconds. A Resume from Hibernate in about 5 seconds and a resume from suspend instantly, ok maybe 1 second.
If you don't see these number with Vista, you have something wrong somewhere, some crap software or a horrid piece of hardware.
So really? This is news really? How? And why would someone want to boot to a instanced image and not just use a hibernated image?
Geesh...
Your system boots in under 1 millisecond; it is just that your monitor takes 5 minutes to warm up. Trust us (and here's the bill).
And typically when I get to work in the morning I don't really care how long it takes to boot.
It's when I'm shutting down to leave that I need it to speed up!
Psst,
You are part of the government.
The OP might be, but most of us aren't. I feel like a second-class citizen of the world sometimes as whom I vote doesn't affect world politics in the slightest (unlike the US).
OTOH I should expect this from someone who can't even grasp why the current pledge of allegiance is a prayer.
I'm not from the US, and that is one of the things that strike me as most backwards in your country (all the God stuff still involved in oaths and government - well, GW Bush is an example)
There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics.
psshha, that's an easy fix. Just don't take your laptop to the meeting. Duh.
Thats silly. If you flame Windows, you're either posted as funny or insightful... rarely do you get modded down.
I find this hard to believe. ASrock is a cheap motherboard but, I still don't believe it was off.
"When using the Fast Mode, ASRock advises you not to switch off the AC power to the PC at the mains .. Instant Boot will also only work on Windows systems (XP or Vista) with a single-user account and no password protection"
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Should be:
"Root Windows Vista in Seconds"...
You're right. I'm gonna go right now and stand in the middle of Peachtree St screaming "Fix it! You broke it! Now, fix it!" at the top of my lungs.
Nothing is ever a bug on windows, however as soon as firefox crashes on ubuntu.. "OMG linux is the suxors!!"
[...] I must get ASRock motherboard!"
No you don't :)
As I understand from their diagram they are, probably quietly, rebooting the system and putting it immediately into an suspend state afterwards.
So I emulated their technique with a batch file.
http://bigfatflat.net/public/fastboot.bat
REM *** fastboot.bat v0.1 *** 081113 :) :) Enjoy! >> Usage below...
REM
REM ASRock InstantBoot Batch-File Emulation
REM Call fastboot.bat in a link with ACPISTATE
REM Parameter S3 or S4 - fastboot.bat [S3,S4] and
REM also put into your autostart without params.
REM
REM It's a good Idea, but they are also just cooking with water *g*
REM They reboot the system and put it immediatly after the fresh boot
REM into a Standby/Hibernation state.
REM
REM So you can shutdown your computer it will be fresh booted and is in
REM waiting state for the new day.
REM
REM Because I like to automate things and I liked the Idea very
REM much, I decided to emulate it.
REM
REM The 'easy' Ideas everyone thinks after, damned that could be from me,
REM are mostly the best
REM
REM And by the way... use it on your own risk! Don't blame me if you
REM cant read and understand or are unable to use your favourite search
REM engine.
[...]
I've experienced this behavior before. In my case I was able to turn off the "suspend on lid closing" event through the power management software that came with the notebook.
I fail to see how what they've done is a bad thing. And I don't think it's quite as easy to script, since you'd have to reconfigure how windows works. If you have an inkling of how to do this in a smooth automated fashion, please do tell me.
It's very easy actually... They are just rebooting the system and then putting it into standby/hibernating. Easy Idea, but effective. And no need for a new Motherboard ;-)
http://bigfatflat.net/public/fastboot.bat
REM *** fastboot.bat v0.1 *** 081113
REM
REM ASRock InstantBoot Batch-File Emulation
REM Call fastboot.bat in a link with ACPISTATE
REM Parameter S3 or S4 - fastboot.bat [S3,S4] and
REM also put into your autostart without params.
4 seconds is hardly "instant". It's just faster than other methods.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
My Mac boots in about 4 seconds WITHOUT any outside software
Or you could wait 45 seconds and balance your time instead. Take out the trash, go to the bathroom, iron a shirt, etc. There are many things to do while you wait 45 seconds.
OTOH I should expect this from someone who can't even grasp why the current pledge of allegiance is a prayer.
Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country, and two words have been added to the Pledge of Allegiance - "under God." Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said, "That is a prayer," and that would be eliminated from schools, too?"
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Not only is your "+4 Interesting" post nothing but off-topic flamebait, but it's so bad that this guy called your crap out 40 years before you posted it. You talk about freedom of speech, but you prefer to use yours to belittle those around you just for exercising theirs in the exact same manner as the forefathers intended? You talk about it like it's something everyone has to put up with rather than the blessing it is to suggest changes you refuse to acknowledge. Damn you. Damn you, and your kind, to Hell.
Which WoW realm are you on?
I wasn't criticizing him for caring, nor have I given up. I was poking fun at his implication that I should worry about it 24/7.
"I like to lick butts!" by MobileTatsu-NJG (#32700246) (Score:5, Informative)
How many seconds does it take to remove Windows VISTA?
HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Desktop
Change the following String values:
AutoEndTasks=1
HungAppTimeout=4000
WaitToKillAppTimeout=4000
WaitToKillServiceTimeout=4000
N-lite can do this and a bunch more stuff as well, if you use it.
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Shit, I should probably say that the above is for XP, I don't know if it works on Vista. Try at your own risk (or use V-Lite).
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Nothing is ever a bug on windows, however as soon as firefox crashes on ubuntu.. "OMG linux is the suxors!!"
Tell ya what, you go ahead believing whatever you want to believe, whereas I'll just install my BIOS patch and fix the issue.
Oh wait, I already did.
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I really don't care anymore, Butters.
You see, I've learned something today.
As Americans, our fear of seeing another country become powerful can turn us into monsters. Watching how crazy you went, watching you just shoot people in the dick like that, it made me realize that I want America to be safe but not at the cost of losing its dignity.
I'd rather us be Chinese than a nation of unethical dick-shooters.
You think about that.
I'm not arguing with you, however you got to see the irony here, especially when people complain endlessly about their Foxconn motherboard not working for therefore linux sucks.
If you think the automakers financial health (or lack thereof) have nothing to do with the unions, you are the one living in a dream world. The management were idiots as well, but the unions were absolutely no better. If the automakers were smart, they would have smashed unions 20 years ago and rebuilt the company. Yes, everyone is entitled to a fair salary, but not at the expense of the health of the company. The benefit of one is never more important than the health of the entire company. If they had done away with the union BS back then they would not be in this position. They would be like every other automaker in the world... having to deal with slow sales, but not getting ready to either file or close the doors.
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For me, most of the bottleneck to restarting is logging back in.
I can boot to the login screen fairly quickly; about 15-20 seconds. It's logging in and initializing my explorer session that takes 2-3 minutes these days.
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