If the laws themselves aren't just and no one wants to pay attention to them, then is it still ok for the store to call the police?
For instance, let's say the law does not allow you to pick up milk with your left hand. You think that's fucking ridiculous, so does everyone else. It's clear that the Right Hand Lobby who sells Right-Handed (patented) rings, jewelry, and fitness equipment is just out to profit by getting this law passed through government. No one pays attention, so the Right Handed Corporation pays MORE money to the government to get Hand Tracking installed in every single store in the united states,
Is that right and just? Or just corporate/police state greed/power trip because they KNOW that not everyone will pick up milk with only their right hand?
We haven't violated the law in any way (well, read that book "3 felonies a day"), I just think that the powers that be are looking for a fight with EVERYONE to justify their own bloated existence/sense of statism/power trip/greed. I'm a guy who is a little off the beaten path in terms of hobbies, views, etc. and I'm getting worried that these could in any way be perceived as no longer be OK if the government can watch everything I do via my transactions and personal information.
It's only the land of the free for those who fall in line, unless we do something about it very quickly. With the death of our diversity comes the death of America's greatest asset. This is perhaps the most hilarious, sobbingly ironic development of our nation's time.
Do a search. I've read of at least a few on slashdot who say they've made the move and are much happier. Of course, this is given the right set of skills, but it's a start.
Also, I agree with you. Many of us might not make the move. However, with a girlfriend graduating from one of the most prestigious medical programs in the nation, and my about to nab letters in the financial profession and my background in technology and programming, I would think we can find somewhere to go if it comes down to it.
But yeah, at this point it's all hot air. We have at least 2 years to decide before she's out, and can I really bring myself to leave my practice and the clients whose financial well-being I care about behind? I don't know.
I get what you're saying, but... Wait, we get to VOTE for corporations now? After all, they'll just shift their money around to pay off that politician.
Why does this come up? Money is severely corrupting our politics and we have people BLAMING VOTERS for that!? If anything, *that* is a part of the problem.
Maybe the comparison in question should be something else! What we're really after should have a more immaterial notion, a way of acting (analytical) rather than a noun. So let's try and compare nouns and adjectives describing ways of acting/interacting/being to their respective types of ideas. Conflating them, and getting science mixed up with the way geeks might tend to think about things, might be part of the problem. Oddly, we're part of the problem when we make this mistake, sort of spinning our own logical wheels.
Analysis != science. ____ != Religion. Belief in something? I don't know the word I'm looking for off the top of my head.
Also, we seem to bash religion around here, but I think what we're really going after depends on who is arguing: For some they're jealous that religious people have a community that they're automatically part of. For others who see themselves as "individuals" it might be that they don't like the part of themselves that is prone to buying to consensus thinking or getting duped (a big trait of analytical people, very afraid of picking the wrong thing).
Quickly: We can show scientifically the causes of diseases like schizophrenia (voices that are God talking to people), so to reply to someone else: the scientific community says he didn't hear from god just that he had a miswired brain/chemistry. His brain made up those voices, it didn't make it into some sort extra-planar antenna.
People need to feel good. They'll turn to nearly anything to help them feel good in times of stress. It's not a matter of intelligence (IQ is a woefully broken system for measuring intelligence, why do seemingly smart people use it? That's right! It still makes them feel good to quote a "high" number for themselves and a low one for "the masses), we're conflating the issue here. Someone who is not smart can also be analytical, it's merely a way of thinking about things. One way tends to bring healthier, more productive, proven ways of bettering our existence with knowledge and tools. The other brings good feelings and can bring a community together. Both are important, but I think the problem many have with religion is that it is often used for evil. It's been twisted since the beginning by power-mongers for their own ends and caused some of the worst disasters in human history.
1) Maybe a question is: where do you feel best? Analysis of the world around you and application of that knowledge, or taking things for granted from an old book (if it's old it MUST be wise, right?) and a group of people who will accept you if you adhere to their beliefs? After all, humans need to feel good in order to live life reasonably well. I've met very intelligent people who are Christians, however the one thing that sets them apart is that they seem to just need something to hang onto emotionally. Usually they've lost something: Their freedom, lifelong career, spouse, kids, etc. and suddenly they find this great thing called religion. Or they're indoctrinated when young. It makes them feel good. and gives them a social connection. Why do you think small towns and rural areas have more religion? I'll bet I know why: There's nothing else to do worth doing which brings a sense of useful social engagement.
Analysis also makes us feel good. We find repeatable patterns in the world and since humans are designed to find patterns, it helps us survive. We also need good feelings and some social interaction.
If we don't get both we are probably not living an ideal life. I don't think religious people are insane, but they often seem to do things which might be contrary to their actual well-being just to feel good/accepted (that one is a scarily powerful idea, look at history). I think they're just using their instincts/brain tools to get the most from the world around them, just like analytics are (who happen to have the tools/knowledge/upbringing to employ analysis as their weapon of choice in life).
That's a good point. Probably shouldn't be jumping the gun here, but stuff like this keeps coming up. Heck, our city is installing speed cameras soon after developing this "righteous shield" bullhockey, oo whatever it's called (city-wide surveillance that allows private citizens to plug in their own feed to monitor others) It's so creepy and invasive, and while I'm normally pretty care-free, if CISPA passes I can hardly even be myself in my own home going on the internet. It's not enough that I have to keep looking straight ahead and think nice thoughts when the police walk/drive by around here for fear of getting on the wrong side of Officer Chip-On-His-Shoulder, getting handcuffed for "resisting arrest", then thrown in jail which would destroy my livelihood/nusiness because the whole thing shows up on my professional record... It's getting to be a bit much. Also, voicing one's opinion here only works if you've got a ton of money to wag around. I'd rather put that money toward a family or a decent lifestyle than to try desperately funding my personal views into politics. Eh, just my 2 cents. I guess we'll see how this all pans out.
Oh, and to the replier who mentioned running away: Yes, it *is* running away. I've been taught in martial arts that running away, avoiding the conflict where you or someone you love is likely to get hurt, is the best thing to do. The government seems to keep veering toward The People on a crash course for an unpleasant set of circumstances, and i would rather leave and avoid even the potential that I get caught up in it rather than sit around thinking I can change something. Maybe I just don't feel a lot of patriotism anymore. There's never really been a reason to in my lifetime (born in '79). It's all been Reagan and all that B.S. So it IS MY RIGHT to decide that I want to leave. I have that freedom and am willing to exercise it. I guess we'll see how it pans out. I don't want to leave, but it feels as though I'm damn near forced to.
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Google and other companies receive immunity from any consequences, so they're ok with it.
my long-time girlfriend and I have been debating whether to leave the country. I guess the strategy is to keep our heads down as long as possible, ignore using the internet, learn another language or two, save up as much as we can, and get the fuck out of this country.
For some reason I was really starting to think I could settle down in this country, have a family, and be productive.
Um, if they blew up an airport security checkpoint I guarantee you a LOT of people will stop flying permanently. A plane? Eh, a couple hundred people bound for one place. Airport security? Many more, all bound for different places and no chance to fight back. If the terrorists wanted to do anything bad they'd have already done it. Fact is, there really aren't many and this is just a dumb excuse for money to flow to a few cronies. Oink Oink.
btw, who are you shilling for? Checkmate? All people have to do is stop obeying and there's nothing the government can do. There's too many of us. That's why we ALL need to do it. If we're all labelled terrorists I can't wait to see how the judicial system handles.
Andrew Jackson famously said, "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!" which applies just fine here. We don't have to obey unless we think we do.
And I agree with you. The rest of you of the paranoia seems awfully troll-ish and they should be put away or on Xanax.
If someone wants to blow you or some place up, they will. Period. You're dead so get your affairs in order and stop waving guns and police forces and armies around. Niet. Gone. Nada mas.
Fortunately, terrorism is NOT the norm. People don't really want to blow themselves up until they feel they're backed into a corner and have nothing else to live for. So, try a little empathy first. It would go a long way toward ensuring a safer, happier humanity instead of this "Well I carry a gun everywhere because it's better me than him." Are you fucking retarded? Try understanding why someone might flip out and start shooting up a post office, for instance.
I'll give you a hint: It has to do with desperation and scarcity mentality. There are WAY more than enough resources to go around, and if we actually had a society that valued something besides money and had a more interconnected one that actually has sympathy for people's situations, we'd have a lot fewer anxious, crazy people walking around. You! Hey you! Yeah, the one who bought that pistol that you got a conceal-carry permit for. Yeah, and you tell your friends it's your Constitutional Right? Yeah you. You know, if you got more hugs as a child, or hadn't been bullied to death in grade school, or had a friendly network of confidants who positively support you, instead of all the toys in your house that keep you "entertained" I'll bet you wouldn't need to walk around thinking you're some sort of badass who's going to hold out at the Ok Corral when the bullets start flying in Nowheresville, Suburbia.
Good lord, I'm so sick of selfish asshats walking around talking about security. You're the dangerous ones. You ARE CRIMINALS ALREADY. You've committed crimes of blowing someone away, without judge or jury, thousands of times in your head. You've made it real in your mind, so your reality is that one day it will happen and you want to be ready for what you actually think is an inevitability.
This security thing is just another manifestation of that mentality, and at the top sits a sick fuck who beckons with a finger and thousands can die, sitting at a little desk feeling smug and superior that,"I know what's best for everyone else."
Hasn't this phenomenon been going on for some time? I understand that if the climate warms we get more turbulence in the Arctic Ocean and (theoretically?) more methane. This just seems like sort of a trumped up article. They've known about this phenomenon for decades. It's probably been happening for much, much longer.
The whole idea was supposed to be that states have a lot of governing power. So what you're saying is supposed to happen to The Union by design: Strong states with a federal government to pull it together. States' Rights. They've been systematically dismantled over the last 60-100 years, leaving us with what the founding fathers KNEW would happen: A overly dominant federal government, similar to what the founding fathers saw in Britain that was so terribly oppressive.
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I'd go further and say that "people trust the groups and institutions that they feel/think benefit them." If they don't think it benefits them, if they're not educated about how it does good for them or (conversely) are educated enough to see that things they "should trust" are hurting them, then they won't.
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If the laws themselves aren't just and no one wants to pay attention to them, then is it still ok for the store to call the police?
For instance, let's say the law does not allow you to pick up milk with your left hand. You think that's fucking ridiculous, so does everyone else. It's clear that the Right Hand Lobby who sells Right-Handed (patented) rings, jewelry, and fitness equipment is just out to profit by getting this law passed through government.
No one pays attention, so the Right Handed Corporation pays MORE money to the government to get Hand Tracking installed in every single store in the united states,
Is that right and just? Or just corporate/police state greed/power trip because they KNOW that not everyone will pick up milk with only their right hand?
I asked "when". As in what is the date it goes into effect. Or are you just looking for a fight?
Jeez.
We haven't violated the law in any way (well, read that book "3 felonies a day"), I just think that the powers that be are looking for a fight with EVERYONE to justify their own bloated existence/sense of statism/power trip/greed. I'm a guy who is a little off the beaten path in terms of hobbies, views, etc. and I'm getting worried that these could in any way be perceived as no longer be OK if the government can watch everything I do via my transactions and personal information.
It's only the land of the free for those who fall in line, unless we do something about it very quickly. With the death of our diversity comes the death of America's greatest asset. This is perhaps the most hilarious, sobbingly ironic development of our nation's time.
A.C. pot calling the kettle black, huh?
Do a search. I've read of at least a few on slashdot who say they've made the move and are much happier. Of course, this is given the right set of skills, but it's a start.
Also, I agree with you. Many of us might not make the move. However, with a girlfriend graduating from one of the most prestigious medical programs in the nation, and my about to nab letters in the financial profession and my background in technology and programming, I would think we can find somewhere to go if it comes down to it.
But yeah, at this point it's all hot air. We have at least 2 years to decide before she's out, and can I really bring myself to leave my practice and the clients whose financial well-being I care about behind? I don't know.
I get what you're saying, but...
Wait, we get to VOTE for corporations now? After all, they'll just shift their money around to pay off that politician.
Why does this come up? Money is severely corrupting our politics and we have people BLAMING VOTERS for that!? If anything, *that* is a part of the problem.
Maybe the comparison in question should be something else!
What we're really after should have a more immaterial notion, a way of acting (analytical) rather than a noun. So let's try and compare nouns and adjectives describing ways of acting/interacting/being to their respective types of ideas. Conflating them, and getting science mixed up with the way geeks might tend to think about things, might be part of the problem. Oddly, we're part of the problem when we make this mistake, sort of spinning our own logical wheels.
Analysis != science. ____ != Religion. Belief in something? I don't know the word I'm looking for off the top of my head.
Also, we seem to bash religion around here, but I think what we're really going after depends on who is arguing: For some they're jealous that religious people have a community that they're automatically part of. For others who see themselves as "individuals" it might be that they don't like the part of themselves that is prone to buying to consensus thinking or getting duped (a big trait of analytical people, very afraid of picking the wrong thing).
Phew! I'll stop now. :)
Quickly: We can show scientifically the causes of diseases like schizophrenia (voices that are God talking to people), so to reply to someone else: the scientific community says he didn't hear from god just that he had a miswired brain/chemistry. His brain made up those voices, it didn't make it into some sort extra-planar antenna.
People need to feel good. They'll turn to nearly anything to help them feel good in times of stress. It's not a matter of intelligence (IQ is a woefully broken system for measuring intelligence, why do seemingly smart people use it? That's right! It still makes them feel good to quote a "high" number for themselves and a low one for "the masses), we're conflating the issue here. Someone who is not smart can also be analytical, it's merely a way of thinking about things. One way tends to bring healthier, more productive, proven ways of bettering our existence with knowledge and tools. The other brings good feelings and can bring a community together. Both are important, but I think the problem many have with religion is that it is often used for evil. It's been twisted since the beginning by power-mongers for their own ends and caused some of the worst disasters in human history.
1) Maybe a question is: where do you feel best?
Analysis of the world around you and application of that knowledge, or taking things for granted from an old book (if it's old it MUST be wise, right?) and a group of people who will accept you if you adhere to their beliefs? After all, humans need to feel good in order to live life reasonably well.
I've met very intelligent people who are Christians, however the one thing that sets them apart is that they seem to just need something to hang onto emotionally. Usually they've lost something: Their freedom, lifelong career, spouse, kids, etc. and suddenly they find this great thing called religion. Or they're indoctrinated when young. It makes them feel good. and gives them a social connection. Why do you think small towns and rural areas have more religion? I'll bet I know why: There's nothing else to do worth doing which brings a sense of useful social engagement.
Analysis also makes us feel good. We find repeatable patterns in the world and since humans are designed to find patterns, it helps us survive.
We also need good feelings and some social interaction.
If we don't get both we are probably not living an ideal life. I don't think religious people are insane, but they often seem to do things which might be contrary to their actual well-being just to feel good/accepted (that one is a scarily powerful idea, look at history). I think they're just using their instincts/brain tools to get the most from the world around them, just like analytics are (who happen to have the tools/knowledge/upbringing to employ analysis as their weapon of choice in life).
Is MineKampf the next game Notch is making?
That's a good point. Probably shouldn't be jumping the gun here, but stuff like this keeps coming up. Heck, our city is installing speed cameras soon after developing this "righteous shield" bullhockey, oo whatever it's called (city-wide surveillance that allows private citizens to plug in their own feed to monitor others) It's so creepy and invasive, and while I'm normally pretty care-free, if CISPA passes I can hardly even be myself in my own home going on the internet. It's not enough that I have to keep looking straight ahead and think nice thoughts when the police walk/drive by around here for fear of getting on the wrong side of Officer Chip-On-His-Shoulder, getting handcuffed for "resisting arrest", then thrown in jail which would destroy my livelihood/nusiness because the whole thing shows up on my professional record... It's getting to be a bit much.
Also, voicing one's opinion here only works if you've got a ton of money to wag around. I'd rather put that money toward a family or a decent lifestyle than to try desperately funding my personal views into politics.
Eh, just my 2 cents. I guess we'll see how this all pans out.
Oh, and to the replier who mentioned running away: Yes, it *is* running away. I've been taught in martial arts that running away, avoiding the conflict where you or someone you love is likely to get hurt, is the best thing to do. The government seems to keep veering toward The People on a crash course for an unpleasant set of circumstances, and i would rather leave and avoid even the potential that I get caught up in it rather than sit around thinking I can change something.
Maybe I just don't feel a lot of patriotism anymore. There's never really been a reason to in my lifetime (born in '79). It's all been Reagan and all that B.S. So it IS MY RIGHT to decide that I want to leave. I have that freedom and am willing to exercise it.
I guess we'll see how it pans out. I don't want to leave, but it feels as though I'm damn near forced to.
Google and other companies receive immunity from any consequences, so they're ok with it.
When does this go into effect?
my long-time girlfriend and I have been debating whether to leave the country. I guess the strategy is to keep our heads down as long as possible, ignore using the internet, learn another language or two, save up as much as we can, and get the fuck out of this country.
For some reason I was really starting to think I could settle down in this country, have a family, and be productive.
So just plant 34% more. With all the fields the government pays to leave fallow it'd finally start using more of the land again.
Um, if they blew up an airport security checkpoint I guarantee you a LOT of people will stop flying permanently.
A plane? Eh, a couple hundred people bound for one place.
Airport security? Many more, all bound for different places and no chance to fight back.
If the terrorists wanted to do anything bad they'd have already done it. Fact is, there really aren't many and this is just a dumb excuse for money to flow to a few cronies. Oink Oink.
btw, who are you shilling for? Checkmate? All people have to do is stop obeying and there's nothing the government can do. There's too many of us.
That's why we ALL need to do it. If we're all labelled terrorists I can't wait to see how the judicial system handles.
Andrew Jackson famously said, "John Marshall has made his decision, now let him enforce it!" which applies just fine here. We don't have to obey unless we think we do.
And I agree with you. The rest of you of the paranoia seems awfully troll-ish and they should be put away or on Xanax.
If someone wants to blow you or some place up, they will. Period. You're dead so get your affairs in order and stop waving guns and police forces and armies around. Niet. Gone. Nada mas.
Fortunately, terrorism is NOT the norm. People don't really want to blow themselves up until they feel they're backed into a corner and have nothing else to live for. So, try a little empathy first. It would go a long way toward ensuring a safer, happier humanity instead of this "Well I carry a gun everywhere because it's better me than him." Are you fucking retarded? Try understanding why someone might flip out and start shooting up a post office, for instance.
I'll give you a hint: It has to do with desperation and scarcity mentality. There are WAY more than enough resources to go around, and if we actually had a society that valued something besides money and had a more interconnected one that actually has sympathy for people's situations, we'd have a lot fewer anxious, crazy people walking around. You! Hey you! Yeah, the one who bought that pistol that you got a conceal-carry permit for. Yeah, and you tell your friends it's your Constitutional Right? Yeah you. You know, if you got more hugs as a child, or hadn't been bullied to death in grade school, or had a friendly network of confidants who positively support you, instead of all the toys in your house that keep you "entertained" I'll bet you wouldn't need to walk around thinking you're some sort of badass who's going to hold out at the Ok Corral when the bullets start flying in Nowheresville, Suburbia.
Good lord, I'm so sick of selfish asshats walking around talking about security. You're the dangerous ones. You ARE CRIMINALS ALREADY. You've committed crimes of blowing someone away, without judge or jury, thousands of times in your head. You've made it real in your mind, so your reality is that one day it will happen and you want to be ready for what you actually think is an inevitability.
This security thing is just another manifestation of that mentality, and at the top sits a sick fuck who beckons with a finger and thousands can die, sitting at a little desk feeling smug and superior that,"I know what's best for everyone else."
Makes sense from a food or birth point of view.
1 to 2 takes more effort than 2 begetting one more to 3, and so on.
I see you've figured out how to turn the tide in the upcoming political election...
Seek New Glarus, my son.
Or Tyranina.
Mmmmmm
Hasn't this phenomenon been going on for some time? I understand that if the climate warms we get more turbulence in the Arctic Ocean and (theoretically?) more methane.
This just seems like sort of a trumped up article. They've known about this phenomenon for decades. It's probably been happening for much, much longer.
This sounds like the policemen I know. Religous zealots, too.
It's true now as it has been forever. Power corrupts.
The whole idea was supposed to be that states have a lot of governing power. So what you're saying is supposed to happen to The Union by design: Strong states with a federal government to pull it together. States' Rights. They've been systematically dismantled over the last 60-100 years, leaving us with what the founding fathers KNEW would happen: A overly dominant federal government, similar to what the founding fathers saw in Britain that was so terribly oppressive.
I'd go further and say that "people trust the groups and institutions that they feel/think benefit them."
If they don't think it benefits them, if they're not educated about how it does good for them or (conversely) are educated enough to see that things they "should trust" are hurting them, then they won't.
I can see the kickstarter now:
"Help us build a mining facility on the moon"
Cost: $3,000,000,000