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House Passes CISPA
wiedzmin writes "The House approved Cyber Intelligence Sharing and Protection Act with a 248 to 168 vote today. CISPA allows internet service providers to share Internet 'threat' information with government agencies, including DHS and NSA, without having to protect any personally identifying data of its customers, without a court order. It effectively immunizes ISPs from privacy lawsuits for disclosing customer information, grants them anti-trust protection on colluding on cybersecurity issues and allows them to bypass privacy laws when sharing data with each other."
George Orwell
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Damn.
House of Representatives, for peculiar values of "Representatives".
You can hold down the "B" button for continuous firing.
I'm gonna take a wild stab here and assume that Ron Paul, R-TX, voted "No" on this shitpile.
All of the people that voted for this bill need to be executed for treason.
.. just told a Smug Orwell to shove it when he started the 'I told you so' dance
"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind" - Dr. Seuss
Seriously, what the fuck does that even mean?
The Internet empowered the "Arab Spring" revolutions world wide.
The absolute last thing The US Government wants is anything like that here. Gotta prevent it while you can.
For members of congress who vote in favor of unconstitutional laws.
They won't stop trying to pass shit like this until there is some kind of accountability. SOPA went down, now we get this, if this is stopped we'll just get another one, because these people have no incentive not to try again.
Roll call here. He was among the 15 who did not cast a vote. Thanks, Ron.
Dog is my co-pilot.
did people who are willing to allow that bill on the floor let alone vote yes on it even get into office?
... and then tell me "there's no difference" between Democrats and Republicans.
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml
The correlation between ignorance of statistics and using "correlation is not causation" as an argument is close to 1.
Whine all you want. How many sent a message to your representatives on this issue? How many will lounge at home come next election? Taking advantage of lethargy is what democracy is all about. Sit around and whine about it and do nothing .... perfect.
slashdot troll = you make a compelling argument I do not like the implications of.
who voted what ... http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml
Here's how each representative voted (or not):
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h192
But does anyone know where to find the details about what each of the various amendments was? ('amendment 10' isn't really all that useful)
Build it, and they will come^Hplain.
It's the ISPs stealing your information and giving it to the government, not the government stealing it. That makes it constitutional.
But...but...Republicans are for the rule of law and small government!! That's why they were 90% of the Yeas.
What a joke...
I called my reps to tell them to vote no....did anyone else? Sadly they ignored me again...
Because here is how modern American politics work: the state gets expanded at every possible opportunity. This is what the Democrats want (so long as they can get more entitlements) and what the Republicans want (so long as they can get free rein to send the military into new wars). The only question is, what gets expanded?
As I have said elsewhere, it's pretty obvious that the government plans on listening to everything going on on the Internet. This is just legal formalism.
Dog is my co-pilot.
This is a result of liberal insistence on a government that can give you everything you want while failing to recognize that such a government can take it all away, too.
Dog is my co-pilot.
All of them. Throw them all out.
expandfairuse.org
Holy moly, the US is becoming a cesspit hour by hour.
This is no big deal. We didn't need the fourth amendment anyway. Since they've finally got the chutzpah to stand up to their constituents, they should get rid of that pesky freedom of speech next. Oh, and habeus corpus. I always hated that one. Then maybe they'll finally get around to doing something about ex post facto and double jeopardy.
Fascist.
I'm going to bed. Wake me when this mess is sorted.
my long-time girlfriend and I have been debating whether to leave the country. I guess the strategy is to keep our heads down as long as possible, ignore using the internet, learn another language or two, save up as much as we can, and get the fuck out of this country.
For some reason I was really starting to think I could settle down in this country, have a family, and be productive.
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Man the US has become like Fringe's last episode, minus the observers. A brave new world.
No rights anymore. You're just a number to be used and consumed at the whim of the government and corporations.
Enjoy your land of the free, home of the brave (it sounds so last century and old style).
time to start protecting myelf
When does this go into effect?
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"When they took the 4th Amendment, I was quiet because I didn't deal drugs. When they took the 6th Amendment, I was quiet because I am innocent. When they took the 2nd Amendment, I was quiet because I don't own a gun. Now they have taken the 1st Amendment, and I can only be quiet."
-- Lyle Myhur
from their governments. Everywhere. They are not your friend.
Strong crypto, anonymizing proxies, onion routing....
It's not just for users in China and Iran anymore.
I currently have a VPS that I use as a VPN server for my mobile devices and laptop when I am on travel and redirect all of my traffic through. I do this mainly to keep Verizon and ATT (specifically ATT when I tether) grubby little mitts of my data.
I think it is time to switch to a foreign VPS provider, somewhere in the EU or Asia, and reroute ALL of my traffic through there. My only issue is currently my FIOS speeds far exceed my throughput at my current VPS..
I came, I conquered, I coredumped
Just started the procedure to move my last two servers off US soil. No more dollars for you my friend!
Isn't this just a good excuse to send people's email addresses off to SPAM central? For a small security fee of course.
Sorry, but gray text on gray background is making my eyes bleed.
This has to go through the senate before it is a law bros. Considering that very few democrats voted for it, it may see more opposition there.
All of the Massachusetts representatives voted "No." Join us! We're sane!
All you GOP hack lovers who espouse about their love of Privacy, Liberty, Guns, blah, blah, blah take a look at the count:
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml
AYES: GOP 206, DEM 42
NOES: GOP 28, DEM 140
NOT VOTING: GOP 8, DEM 7
Don't tell me the GOP is for your privacy. Stew in your own bull****.
...Ms American Pie.
Python: 'And then suddenly you have a language which says "we're all stuck with whatever the whiniest coder wants".'
Well, just need to pass SOPA/PIPA and we can say that we'll be bend over being f**ked by our own government.
You laughed when they took down Mediashare (I apologize if I got it wrong, please correct me)
You laughed when they took down that obscure website
How long will it be before you get off the computer, grab a pitchfork and some torches, and throw out our government? How much nibbling before you notice a chunk of our freedom is missing? I won't stand for this, and will elect Ron Paul for President.
Let me just give you a sample of the kind of data they will have access to, without a warrant, if Obama doesn't veto this.
Every transaction you have made involving a card, ever, including the date, time of day, name of the merchant, city and state of the merchant, ID number of the terminal where the card was swiped, amount of transaction, etc etc etc.
Every time you withdrew money from an ATM. it stores the amount, the location of the ATM, the time of day, etc.
The same goes for online transactions.
An image of every check you have ever written.
Every deposit slip you have used.
Every time you have talked to a teller in person, the interaction is recorded.
Every time you have called the bank on the telephone.
It is all there. Waiting for the government to use it, as it sees fit.
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Now, link that up with records from places like Wal-Mart. They can correlate card numbers with items. They know what brand of toothpaste you buy. They know what kind of toilet paper you use. They know if you like to buy a lot of baggies (are you a drug dealer?), if you buy a lot of cold medicine (are you a meth dealer?), if you buy a lot of condoms (are you a pimp?), etc etc etc.
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Now, link this up with projects like the CINDER (Cyber Insider Threat) ADAMS, and PRODIGAL (some of which have been program-managed by former hackers like Mudge from l0pht heavy industries). If you dig through these 'proposals', you will find academics saying things like "Maybe a target goes to lunch at a different time of day. that might indicate a threat". This is where our tax money is going. This is what is being built.
it makes you wonder if Orwell was a prophet or someone attempting to describe what to do for future rulers rather than warning them.
he used to be an officer busting down the 'lesser races' inside the imperial british system in the early half of the 20th century.... if you will recall, that was when they claimed to 'own' billions of people, including all of india, pakistan, etc. they had recently fought a war with china to force them to sell drugs. anyways.
orwell also fought in the spanish civil war in the 1930s as an anarchist, where he witnessed first hand how the communists would sell out and then destroy the anarchist movement in that country.
he didnt imagine a lot, he just made history readable in a palatable format so that people could have an 'in' so they could understand what he was talking about. he 'translated' the boring facts of history into the language for the masses - the novel (film, if he were alive today perhaps)
Too much time spent on 'security', not enough time on jobs, education, infrastructure, ... At least they'll know everything about us when the USA goes down the shitter and China, India, etc.. take over. Shit, even Canada doesn't take the US seriously anymore.
Aye m8s
If ISP's can only provide "threat" information just don't do anything that constitutes a "threat" and you'll be fine.
(Score:5, Tinfoil)
Can't get it through your heads, but it's true:
Your
Republic
is
Gone
The throw little bones your way, called things like a "Ron Paul" or a "Democratic Alternative" so you can't quite give up hope, in pursuit something which became quite impossible, some time ago...
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Everywhere is saying the vote was supposed to happen tomorrow. I'm guessing Ron Paul was planning on returning to Washington from the campaign trail to vote on it tomorrow, and someone rushed it to the House floor early before the Internet caught wind of this and stopped it like SOPA. WTF.
That SOPA/PIPA got?
All the sites that blocked access to their content for a day? We should be doing the same for this crap.
Just because someone adds something to a bill it does not override other laws unless it specifically provides such provisions. I do not see anywhere in this law where Title 50 is amended to allow for collection of this information without a warrant. If a US corporation where to provide PI of a US Person in any threat report for which there was not an outstanding warrant covering the collection of that information the government would be unable to report on that information or utilize it in any manner. At some point you have to trust the government will follow the law otherwise whats the point, why even care if they are passing this bill if they would do it anyway. This is not some Orwellian we are watching you bill, it really just provides a framework for sharing information between corporate entities and the government and controlling who maintains liability for the collection and storage of that information. IE if in the case your information where included in a report in violation of the law it would be the government who is liable not the providing entity. Again, this does not modify the rigor to which a government entity must prove a collection is necessary.
Do any Americans still seriously believe that they live in the land of the free (or the home of the brave, for that matter)?
Better ask the NSA, I guess..
Goldwater, Eisenhower, Teddy, and Lincoln are no doubt rolling in their graves.
The republicans have been taken over by neo-cons who only care about big business and themselves. IOW, the end justifies the means.
I can only hope that the true republicans will create a new party, perhaps the first person will be David Walker (a social moderate, strong fiscal conservative), and call it the GoldWater party. Let the neo-cons and religious fanatics have their own damn party. As it is, the neo-cons have invaded the Libertarian party over the last 8 years to the point that I quit going to meetings. I was ready to blow the head off the next GD neo-con that screamed that we needed to support W and fight against abortion and gay marriage. At this time, I would gladly join a GoldWater Party.
I prefer the "u" in honour as it seems to be missing these days.
Google and other companies receive immunity from any consequences, so they're ok with it.
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voted against it and spoke out against it.
than one government. The biggest technical hope there is to reduce spying is to migrate services into anonymous networks.
The citizens have to be motivated to get up and use those bullets for the greater good, at great personal risk and with great personal sacrifice.
Until enough people get to that point, the bullets do no good at all.
People will not get to that point if they are largely stupid and complacent, which most Americans are.
Americans have elected politicians over and over again who write and pass laws like this and the Patriot Act. It's what the majority of your people want. Those too lazy or docile to vote differently have to accept their fate.
a sexual pastime for Libertarian goldbugs.
To become a Law in your country, doesn't a Bill first have to pass both legislative bodies with a 66% vote? It failed to pass the House with this required % because of the 15 non-voting folks so there's no real way it can become a Law, is there? Please correct my US government "how-it-works"-fu if I'm mistaken.
DaveyJJ
but he keeps meeting with them. Maybe that's where he was during the vote.
Apparently you're misinformed...
Half the laws we pass will be pushed your way soon enough (and your government will oblige), the other half we got from you to begin with.
Time to put all my money in a VPN company or buy shares in the stock market.
Perhaps I'd rather not.
People from US are screwed anyway, but at least they voted the current government. But the rest of the world don't deserve being stripped from privacy for stupid US laws. Out of US backbones, social networks not owned by US companies, local providers for mail servers, by default hard encrypted traffic and so on. Internet was a nice dream, and is turning into a nightmare. Staying in things like they are is like keep living close from Chernobyl or Fukushima shortly after their accidents.
Emmanuel Goldstein
Despite the paniced bleatings, I firmly believe that companies should not be subject to lawsuits for co-operating with police or reporting people who are abusing their systems to perform illegal activities.
Is the legislation subject to abuse? Sure it is -- just about any legislation with any teeth is subject to abuse. Take, for example, false reportings of child abuse to CPS, or kids claiming teachers "sexually harassed" them.
Reporting abuse isn't a charge; it's only grounds for a warrant to do further investigation. I don't believe the legislation goes much beyond providing whistle-blower protection for companies reporting the abuse. And I can't think of any way the legislation could have been written to provide that protection from lawsuits without causing fear and panic amongst rabid privacy advocates.
There's a huge difference between companies voluntarily reporting abuses of their systems and the government mandating that they monitor and track their customers and users, and the latter is not what this legislation does.
I do not fail; I succeed at finding out what does not work.
No Vote R Paul, Ronald “Ron” TX 14th
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/112-2012/h192
The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for it to be pitted against a slightly greater evil
My family emigrated here a few hundred years ago. Perhaps we've overstayed and it is time to pull up roots and move along. Vote with our feet, like great granddad.
Many people will be looking twice at their hosting needs, local privacy laws and new US telco laws.
The only thing the US can still offer is the word "unlimited" on cheap shared best effort servers deals.
http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/cloud/what-will-you-do-when-the-us-comes-for-you-20120125-1qhc1.html
http://www.dsd.gov.au/infosec/cloud/cloud01.htm
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
it's always darkest before the dawn.
It seems to me that the information that the IRS collects on me is far more worrisome than what is implicit in this information.
The difference is safeguards, which are missing here.
I knew I should have bought stock in Anonymizer yesterday...
Does this apply to all USA data keepers, so foreign customers that make use of these systems as well? This could (probably would) mean that most of the European businesses that use services from USA companies are now forced to cancel their business, due to European privacy laws forbidding them to do business with companies that will not uphold the European privacy laws. Could someone explain if I need to move large amounts of data and services out of the USA now please?
I was promised a flying car. Where is my flying car?
One reason could be that it mostly affect US citizens. SOPA would have affected everyone who had access to the internet (at least .com-adresses).
I get really tired of seeing the whiners online talk about armed revolution because not a single one of you has any intention of doing it. You just whine online, and never actually bother to contact your elected representatives.
So shut up, you aren't going to shoot anyone. You are just going to keep whining on the Internet, which is all you ever do.
I've never seen any of the "I'm gonna leave the country," types who've ever done any real planning. They tend to have this simplistic world view of "the bad US" and "everyone else". Basically they figure that since (in their view) everyone else doesn't like the US and they don't like the US, they'll be welcomed with open arms wherever they go. Some even really seem to think the US has the harshest immigration law and is the only country that doesn't freely welcome people. They never look in to what is actually involved.
The NSA is not only allowed but EXPECTED to spy on foreign assets. You know that, right? If they wanted to sniff around at your server's traffic it would be much easier if those servers were foreign. No sticky legal situations there, the NSA has been allowed to gather foreign intelligence since, well, its creation and it is a rather uncontroversial position (just saying it is, not if it should be).
Not saying don't move your servers if you've other reasons, just saying if the reason is "Oh the US might spy on me," that's a rather silly reason. They can do that easier when you stuff is outside the US.
Boo! Rubbish! Filth! Slime! Muck! Boo!
Life, ultimately, boils down to the Four Fs: Fighting, Fleeing, Feeding, and Mating.
I doubt that you're even a real person. You're just some political robot troll hack encouraging violence. Or at least that's what you sound like, so I hope you're getting paid. This is truly and unfortunately the age of trolls. Tea party and Occupy were both maligned in press by paid trolls (or disinformational astroturfing or whatever you'd call it), tho the left-right division is so deeply ingrained that few see it is the Washington establishment (GOP and Dems) that constantly works against all normal people.
Now 'think of the children', 'war on drugs', 'war on terror' have effectively been united into one Orwellian excuse to spy on every computer in the country. This is something even uber Nazi Heinrich Himmler couldn't dream of.
The real test: Will the rest of the planet allow the USA to rape their sovereignty over this law?
The USA has been pushing the idea that the internet is theirs, so every country best obey their cyber-laws. Most industrialised countries have laws against the sharing of data. To enact CISPA, via the subservience which most governments happily provide to the USA, very under-handed deals must be formed.
New survivor is coming back on /sarcasm
Why aren't you on the street with a megaphone? Shit, why aren't we all...
Since 2000, we've seen the Patriot Act, Military Commissions Act, Warrantless Wiretapping, telecom immunity for the aforementioned, indefinite detention(and now assassination!) of U.S. citizens without charge or trial, NDAA ... and this relentless effort to legalize internet espionage.
Furthermore, it's no secret that the NSA is building a huge new data center in Utah.
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/03/ff_nsadatacenter/all/1
This stuff isn't in the realm of "conspiracy theories" nor exclusive to wearers of tinfoil hats.
"The tree of democracy at times must be watered with the blood of patriots and tyrants " - a founding father
Perhaps its time to prove we are still a free thinking society and stop being the controlled sheep that we have become to corporate government.
()-()
Can only be spoke by an Anonymous Coward, lest I be called a Terrorist.
Ratiocinate freedom, a emaciation men try, that is the irony.
Since Obama declared the war on terror to be over, there is no need for CISPA, or Patriot Act, or ACTA, or the other crap passed for the "War on terror".
Lets all get together in an insulated community of people who think like us, where those who disagree are a tiny, tiny minority. Let's trumpet the correctness of our ideas, and insult other people, knowing that our own ideas will be affirmed by everyone here and that no one truly studied enough in the opposite viewpoint will be likely enough to be here to point out that we're not completely correct! Then we'll feel good about how smart/right we are, and how others are idiots.
Sounds like a church to me.
Also sounds like this thread.
When are these people going to realise they work for us AND NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.
....however Edolphus Towns of NY district 10 voted yes!!??? WTF???
Want to know how your vote was place? then search for your representative - http://www.house.gov/representatives (by zip code in top right) and then see how they voted on this critical law;
- http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2012/roll192.xml
http://velazquez.house.gov/ (mine for brooklyn) voted No
http://clarke.house.gov/ New York 11 also voted no
http://towns.house.gov/
If you are in his district i suggest you contact him to let him no that this didn't go un noticed
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The Republithugs, strike again.
Just another reason not to use US companies or store data in the US for any IT projects.
Patriot Act was bad enough, but at least it had the decency of being somewhat sneaky about it. This seems like it is just saying to the world, "Hey guess what? We are going to look at everything you have, and you know what? Too bad!"
The US is doing a great job moving all those IT jobs someplace else, well done.
Canada is really close by the way, we have awesome privacy laws, and it isn't all that cold by the border, we speak English, have a highly educated workforce, and now our dollar is probably worth more than the US... Oh our Corporate tax is also lower... Oh and free health care, so no need for expensive health care plans for employees. I would suggest you move all your IT related work north of the border.
You may have to put up with a few "ehs" and hockey playoffs, but its probably worth it in the long run.
You might be a criminal if:
you use the internet.
You might be a criminal if:
you want to get on a plane
You might be a criminal if:
you post bird songs on you tube.
You might be a criminal if:
You build a better widget than a big corp and try to sell it.
You might be a criminal if:
you take photos of police officers.
Feel free to add your own.
> I currently have a VPS that I use as a VPN server for my mobile devices and laptop when I am on travel and redirect all of my traffic through. I do this mainly to keep Verizon and ATT (specifically ATT when I tether) grubby little mitts of my data.
So you're transferring your data over their network via your VPN to avoid using their network to transfer your data.
I think you have a A-not-B error, there.
Indeedy, we have a big task now to mount the awareness and outrage against this, as "the little people" because this time we ain't got the big Google lobbying against it as with SOPA. Please at least pretend to believe Obama that he might veto it, but in a stern note let him know that you have every intention of holding him to it! An original observation I have made: being homeless, I go long spells with nothing but broadcast radio to consume, and I've long analyzed the make-up of the Hourly News Headlines. This absolute visceration of the 4th Amendment has been deemed utterly not worthy of mention, and the now familiar pattern accompanies this: a whole swathe of jive-ass, arbitrarily-timeable events suddenly fill the headline slots right when such a disgusting process gets rushed through: pronouncements from government departments on this and that, cheeseball campaign directions announced just today, judges in disparate places making statements on decisions that they could've made "any time now", etc. etc.. What really peeved me was the loathesome "Osgood File" which I happened to catch on CBS.. and it started out sounding like it might be the sole mention on MSM, if I only were to wait through the commercial they put in the middle of the 3-minute or so "report".. basically turned out to be simply propagandizing the digitally-challenged masses to think we're damned well under new increased cybersecurity threats, like never before! Stated that hey, we well may have succeeded in hitting Iran's nuke devices with stuxnet, so surely they're going to attack us now! And guess what, they're really dumb but Osgood is here to give us the news: gosh, they can just go *buy* these capabilities.. as if botnets were invented yesterday and we need a brand new anti-anonymity push and deep-packet inspection regime *quick*, right damn now, because any minute now these new-fangled weapons will be upon us! Truly nauseating, the degree to which the masses' minds are now manipulated. I want to link to my earlier posting, for which I apologize for the degree to which it sucks as far as being witty/concise slashdot fare, but bear with me as I type 75wpm and am not good at boiling things down. Important links though, and you may have missed it: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?cid=39812889
eschew crap, proprietary jive such as Adobe Flash and "Warcraft"! Eschew war, for that matter.
from https://www.commondreams.org/view/2011/08/27-1 ...
He also said this: "[T]he forced integration dictated by the Civil Rights Act of 1964 increased racial tensions while diminishing individual liberty."
Ron Paul also occasionally appears at events sponsored by the John Birch Society, the segregationist right-wing organization that is closely aligned with the Christian Reconstructionist wing of the religious right. ... there's much more there to mull over, i.e. the wackjob writings that were printed in the publications he published (Though yes, in a show of unelectability, he admits "I have never uttered such words and denounce such small-minded thoughts.... I have publicly taken moral responsibility for not paying closer attention to what went out under my name.")
Libertarians have some great points, kids.. yes, check out Alex Jones' 4-hours-daily radio show because he's great on the 4th & 1st Amendments, but do call in and bring up the fact that he's brainwashed as re climate change. http://xml.infowars.com/Alex.rss
eschew crap, proprietary jive such as Adobe Flash and "Warcraft"! Eschew war, for that matter.
says "Attacks like this one aren't typical of Anonymous". He is rationalizing his disbelief.
The hacked site actually is typical of an Anonymous target... like that website trafficking in underage girls. Anonymous also go after individuals. One thing that isn't typical of Anonymous, however, is fabricating lies.
Ron Paul has stated himself that he accepts the support of groups like 'stormfront' although claiming to disagree with them. He has also posed for a picture with them on at least one occasion.
Just like he said he would veto NDAA....right before he turned around and signed it into law anyway--AFTER adding a provision which made it 10x worse--just like a bitch on New Years Day, when everyone's attention was distracted elsewhere.
You seriously are naive enough to still believe a word that comes out of that lying sack of shit's mouth?
Stop getting your "knowledge" from the mainstream media. TV really is warping your mind.
And don't give me that crap about "look it up yourself". You wouldn't tell your college professor to just "look it up yourself" if they started questioning where you came up with some outlandish claims in a research paper.
If I had spent hours upon hours and hours studying the matter, and having personal experience in the matter, and thus coming to an "outlandish" conclusion....and a professor choose to ignore my findings and argue til he's blue in the face out of his own inability to understand.....then yes, I would probably just shrug my shoulders, turn around, and walk off.
There comes a point in every human being's life when you have to start working for your own benefit, and the benefit of those who also "get it" and are going in the same direction, and quit burning every calorie of energy you possess in trying to convince morons who can't, won't, and never will get it, and will go to their dying days in old age never getting it and yelling at kids on the lawn who do.
I dunno....why did you post as Anon? Shame?
Wow, the media assholes are trolling slashdot too? Do us all a favor--sign in and drop the pretentious non-sequiturs. Ron Paul IS winning.....and those in the know are laughing, because we know days are numbered for rats like you :)
Why do you apply rational thinking towards the actions of people you like (Ron Paul) and not those you hate (Barack Obama)? Can you even really call it rational thinking, if you selectively apply it like that?
I don't know. Since you're the expert on hypocrisy, why don't you tell us if the message should be judged by the man, or by its own merit?
You really need to get over your Ron Paul man crush.
Why are you so afraid of Ron Paul?
If you're not, why do you (and the millions of clones of you out there) feel the need to attack this man every time he's mentioned?
Good.
Now that all the speculation is over, can we accept that the USA is broken and just route all internet traffic around it? Surely the rest of the infrastructure is grown up enough to do without the rotting corpse that may have started the internet but is now too foobar.