Lieberman is more than a Democrat, he's a Jewish democrat, and if you've heard the rhetoric coming out of Iran (from their president no less) directed towards Israel, you'll understand why he's behind our military's occupation of that region.
Well, to decent people, it doesn't take a Jew to think it odious for some dick of a tyrant to work on WMD and threaten to attack Israel. It's not like Saddam or the Ayatollah or any dictator has sovereignty or anything, so it seems pretty reasonable for the U.S. and any other sane society to occupy and democratize "that region."
They seem perfectly content to sit back and wait for polls to tell them what to say, when any rational set of humman beings would have stood up long ago and put an end to this nonsense. I mean if you can't stand up to a dope like George Bush, who can you stand up to?
What a mess.
Quite true. A lot of us aren't in any way GOP-ers, and yet when the only "competition" is a gang of hateful, venal monkey's asses who can't stand up to a "stupid chimp" and who would sell out thousands of soliders' lives and hundreds of thousands of innocents and the future of their country for the chance at midterm seat gains, well, thank god there's other stuff to be optimistic about!
That's one thing I couldn't figure out either. They "need" a minivan to haul their huge you-know-whats around town
Oh, fat people have huge dongs?
;)
But seriously... They can't all be rich heirs, and food ain't free. Also, and especially with respect to the guys you describe (er, with regard to the guys you describe...), doesn't there come a point when you decide to make it an extremely high priority to eat right/eat less? Like, when you can't fit in a fucking van? Or when you're buying your third steering wheel? There must be a million points before you die, when it dawns on you that your life is basically ruined because of your "lifestyle" and that a few changes that many other people have easily made could save you?
Oh well, probably better just to sue the fast-food joints....
P.S. To the fat-asses modding me Troll, a) do you think I give a shit? b) it's a good opportunity for you to think about the serious problems you're causing yourself -- and in real life won't have anyone to blame unlike the joke suit against the fast-food joint. What do you think will have a serious impact on someone's life, getting a -1 moderation on a lame website, or living an insanely unhealthy life where you're risking death, you're unappealing to potential friends and sexual interests, and limited in a massive number of activities that you would enjoy doing far more than gorging yourself on Doritos one more time....
What I don't get is where they get the money to buy all that food? You never see fat people working, and they're constantly buying overpriced shit by the shopping cart. Is that the reason why my taxes are so high?
Well, I suggest your samples come from different segments of each society. I've also lived in both countries, and I can tell you that what you describe in America happens in Canada, and what you describe in Canada happens in America.
I interact with a large number of scientists, non-scientists, and anti-scientists, and it's quite apparent that there's broad concern among scientists in different fields over anti-science crazies of a variety that exists in the United States and Canada/Europe, and that the most dangerous anti-science crazies -- in terms of direct violence as well as insidious influence on society -- are not the redneck bible-thumpers.
One last point -- though of less consequence. Just because the language used to defend a position is couched in rational language, that doesn't mean it's a rational point of view. A lot of the European beliefs that you seem to be excusing (though not defending), on the basis of open-minded ignorance, are in fact indefensible. For instance, many of the common claims made by a wide spectrum of European society (GMO, nuclear energy, etc.) are not based on ill-informed fear of the possible dangers, but are based on the same sort of dogma or irrationality that you (correctly) ascribe to certain Americans -- sometimes with more malevolent intent, and generally with more damaging consequences, e.g. malnourished kids who can't get GM rice donations.
Not surprisingly, your generalizations were too simple to take into account reality!;)
You're missing a, er, fundamental point, which is something the original poster at least hinted at. There are many different kinds of fundamentalism, and your gross simplification of "religious extremist rednecks" is completely inaccurate. They represent a small (but significant) percentage of the overall hostility to science, which comes from numerous different political viewpoints, socio-economic strata, and whatever other categories you threw in. For instance, I work at a non-profit that promotes the value of science, and the overwhelming majority of death threats, harrassment, etc., etc., that we see comes from secular northern environmentalists, animal rights activists, and so on -- in a word, the complete opposite of your idiotic stereotype.
FWIW, since you bring up the prospect of leaving the U.S. for "greener pastures," there are huge concentrations of anti-science leftists here in Canada, and overall a large degree of hostility to science as with other social democratic paradises (e.g. look at Europe's wider social reaction to genetic modification).
Oh, and, once again I guess I'll give you a response to your supposed points...
There is a mass grave outside of Fallujia where a soccer field used to be.
Those aren't innocents who were brutally massacred by a dictator for being the wrong race, they're the terrorists who you think are imaginary, plus some accidental casualties. People who fight from mosques, use human shields, massacre citizens, blow up schools, etc., are meant to be buried in soccer fields. Likewise with your more hypothetical mass graves, the U.S. kills a lot of terrorists, that means fewer jihadis to wage war against infidels like you.
If you can't tell the difference between Saddam's gulags and mass murder, and the coalition's destruction of terrorist scum, then either you're irreparably stupid or you have no moral judgment whatsoever.
Sure he will be killed based on the mickey mouse crimes he has been charged with
Yep, murdering 143 Shiites is a "mickey mouse crime" -- some moral judgment. Why don't you tell that to your Shiite friends, I'm sure they'll be glad to know how much you value their lives.
but it won't be because he gassed the kurds. He has never been charged with that. Maybe he wasn't responsible for that huh? I mean if he was responsible surely we would have included those charges right?
Are you illiterate? I know you're not very bright, but Jesus, don't you read at all? Every news story on Saddam for several months, even in the dumb leftist rags that you probably read, has clearly pointed out that prosecutors are starting with this "mickey mouse crime" (God you're a sick son-of-a-bitch) and will follow it up with charges for WMD attacks on Kurds, invading Kuwait, massacring Shiites and Sunnis, etc.
No I don't believe you are from Canada. You said "our education system" it was a telling slip of your tongue.
OK, I already responded to this one, but I still think it's funny. C'mon, boy, you're like 0-for-3 now, and you're still playing? (Well, probably more like 0-for-53, but I haven't been keeping count.)
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Lieberman is more than a Democrat, he's a Jewish democrat, and if you've heard the rhetoric coming out of Iran (from their president no less) directed towards Israel, you'll understand why he's behind our military's occupation of that region.
Well, to decent people, it doesn't take a Jew to think it odious for some dick of a tyrant to work on WMD and threaten to attack Israel. It's not like Saddam or the Ayatollah or any dictator has sovereignty or anything, so it seems pretty reasonable for the U.S. and any other sane society to occupy and democratize "that region."
They seem perfectly content to sit back and wait for polls to tell them what to say, when any rational set of humman beings would have stood up long ago and put an end to this nonsense. I mean if you can't stand up to a dope like George Bush, who can you stand up to?
What a mess.
Quite true. A lot of us aren't in any way GOP-ers, and yet when the only "competition" is a gang of hateful, venal monkey's asses who can't stand up to a "stupid chimp" and who would sell out thousands of soliders' lives and hundreds of thousands of innocents and the future of their country for the chance at midterm seat gains, well, thank god there's other stuff to be optimistic about!
Looks like you're right (I figured it was a bit of both). There've been simliar occurences, e.g. Judy Miller, or most other comments on Joe Lieberman.
All right, fair enough. Although most people who've been comparing Lieberman to evil dictators lately have had a less kind intent.
Jeez, as soon as a Democrat stops marching in complete lock-step with the Party, all the little rats really turn on him, eh?
Oh, fat people have huge dongs?
;)
But seriously... They can't all be rich heirs, and food ain't free. Also, and especially with respect to the guys you describe (er, with regard to the guys you describe...), doesn't there come a point when you decide to make it an extremely high priority to eat right/eat less? Like, when you can't fit in a fucking van? Or when you're buying your third steering wheel? There must be a million points before you die, when it dawns on you that your life is basically ruined because of your "lifestyle" and that a few changes that many other people have easily made could save you?
Oh well, probably better just to sue the fast-food joints....
P.S. To the fat-asses modding me Troll, a) do you think I give a shit? b) it's a good opportunity for you to think about the serious problems you're causing yourself -- and in real life won't have anyone to blame unlike the joke suit against the fast-food joint. What do you think will have a serious impact on someone's life, getting a -1 moderation on a lame website, or living an insanely unhealthy life where you're risking death, you're unappealing to potential friends and sexual interests, and limited in a massive number of activities that you would enjoy doing far more than gorging yourself on Doritos one more time....
Hey, I thought that's how Jersey was founded?
That was sarcasm.
It didn't work.
Holy shit, you should get your kids to be genius tested! ;)
What I don't get is where they get the money to buy all that food? You never see fat people working, and they're constantly buying overpriced shit by the shopping cart. Is that the reason why my taxes are so high?
Wait, you pay out-of-state long distance rates for calls from your basement to the kitchen? ;)
Go fuck yourself
Let me guess, your proposed solution to this "problem" is to legislate or otherwise force people to be equal, right? Funny........ but stupid.
By the way, you should be shot to death for calling Rob Malda part of the "cultural elite" (no matter what the context).
Did somebody beat you over the head with a stick when you were a child?
So are you suggesting he report his company to the BSA, to add a bit of incentive for switching to Linux? ;)
Holy fuck -- what the fucking hell are you fucking smoking?! Gimme gimme gimme!!!
lol... still trolling?
Funny, but pathetic.
Well, I suggest your samples come from different segments of each society. I've also lived in both countries, and I can tell you that what you describe in America happens in Canada, and what you describe in Canada happens in America.
;)
I interact with a large number of scientists, non-scientists, and anti-scientists, and it's quite apparent that there's broad concern among scientists in different fields over anti-science crazies of a variety that exists in the United States and Canada/Europe, and that the most dangerous anti-science crazies -- in terms of direct violence as well as insidious influence on society -- are not the redneck bible-thumpers.
One last point -- though of less consequence. Just because the language used to defend a position is couched in rational language, that doesn't mean it's a rational point of view. A lot of the European beliefs that you seem to be excusing (though not defending), on the basis of open-minded ignorance, are in fact indefensible. For instance, many of the common claims made by a wide spectrum of European society (GMO, nuclear energy, etc.) are not based on ill-informed fear of the possible dangers, but are based on the same sort of dogma or irrationality that you (correctly) ascribe to certain Americans -- sometimes with more malevolent intent, and generally with more damaging consequences, e.g. malnourished kids who can't get GM rice donations.
Not surprisingly, your generalizations were too simple to take into account reality!
;)
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Huh? We educate about and promote science, not compile statistics on violent weirdos.
You're missing a, er, fundamental point, which is something the original poster at least hinted at. There are many different kinds of fundamentalism, and your gross simplification of "religious extremist rednecks" is completely inaccurate. They represent a small (but significant) percentage of the overall hostility to science, which comes from numerous different political viewpoints, socio-economic strata, and whatever other categories you threw in. For instance, I work at a non-profit that promotes the value of science, and the overwhelming majority of death threats, harrassment, etc., etc., that we see comes from secular northern environmentalists, animal rights activists, and so on -- in a word, the complete opposite of your idiotic stereotype.
FWIW, since you bring up the prospect of leaving the U.S. for "greener pastures," there are huge concentrations of anti-science leftists here in Canada, and overall a large degree of hostility to science as with other social democratic paradises (e.g. look at Europe's wider social reaction to genetic modification).
Educate yourself!
If I don't like sports or shooting Nazi's...
What the hell is wrong with you, man?!
For the most part, I was either giving more challenging work or simply challenged myself.
;)
It's a shame those challenges didn't include English grammar.
Oh, and, once again I guess I'll give you a response to your supposed points...
There is a mass grave outside of Fallujia where a soccer field used to be.
Those aren't innocents who were brutally massacred by a dictator for being the wrong race, they're the terrorists who you think are imaginary, plus some accidental casualties. People who fight from mosques, use human shields, massacre citizens, blow up schools, etc., are meant to be buried in soccer fields. Likewise with your more hypothetical mass graves, the U.S. kills a lot of terrorists, that means fewer jihadis to wage war against infidels like you.
If you can't tell the difference between Saddam's gulags and mass murder, and the coalition's destruction of terrorist scum, then either you're irreparably stupid or you have no moral judgment whatsoever.
Sure he will be killed based on the mickey mouse crimes he has been charged with
Yep, murdering 143 Shiites is a "mickey mouse crime" -- some moral judgment. Why don't you tell that to your Shiite friends, I'm sure they'll be glad to know how much you value their lives.
but it won't be because he gassed the kurds. He has never been charged with that. Maybe he wasn't responsible for that huh? I mean if he was responsible surely we would have included those charges right?
Are you illiterate? I know you're not very bright, but Jesus, don't you read at all? Every news story on Saddam for several months, even in the dumb leftist rags that you probably read, has clearly pointed out that prosecutors are starting with this "mickey mouse crime" (God you're a sick son-of-a-bitch) and will follow it up with charges for WMD attacks on Kurds, invading Kuwait, massacring Shiites and Sunnis, etc.
No I don't believe you are from Canada. You said "our education system" it was a telling slip of your tongue.
OK, I already responded to this one, but I still think it's funny. C'mon, boy, you're like 0-for-3 now, and you're still playing? (Well, probably more like 0-for-53, but I haven't been keeping count.)
It's silly to call me names right when I'm showing you how ignorant you are. (And undercutting your whole point, but you probably missed that..)
What, you think we don't have an education system in Canada? Really, it's bad, but it's not that bad ;)