I find your post quite interresting and informative. I might add this article from a not so famous web news site which adds a little bit to your infos: yesterday Might I add that you seem qualified for a slashdot editor job?
-Doom3 Linux binary released. by Timothy. -Release of the Doom3 Linux version. by michael. -Linux Doom3 finally released. by Cliff. -A look at the socio-economics behind the Linux Doom3 release. by JKatz -The Doom3 Linux server is included in the Linux Doom3 release. By CowboyNeal. - Doom 3 for Linux Released. by CmdrTaco who doesnt even read his own stories.
Funny that your reply comes after 2 stories about lies from the white house.
OK, you're norwegian. I'm french but I have lived one year in norway and it is the country i can call the most open in the world, at least among those i know. France or the usa, which I both also know don't come close to it, and it's because they have agendas. We don't know the real reasons of this war, some economist say it's because sadam was going to be able to give his oil to russia, china and france AND to accept to get paid in euros, but this is all noise. What"s for sure is that they didnt attack it because of wmd, which he didnt have, which he wasnt even close to have, because he would have been the last on the list of guys to attack then. Btw, he would also have used them if he had them.
As for algeria, it never was part or france, because the french never considered the algerian as french people. It's as simple as that. It's like kosovo and serbia, when you start to send the army to do police job, to move populations out of their centuries old countrysides, to kill randomly just for the sake of being algerian (or kosovar) and being there (the french soldiers used to do "corvee de bois": to kill the first algerian they met), it means you know you're not in your country. It's as simple as that, it's the salomon judgement: if you try to cut people from their land, then the land is not yours. Yes, I'm speaking of Palestine also. So were the norwegian in germany to take them anything? No. Were the french after the 2nd war in germany to take them anything? no. Were the french in algeria to take them anything? Yes, everything. And did the usa forces in irak secure first the ministry of oil, yes or no?
Also, I don't deny that fundamentalists groups were in irak, even maybe al quaida. I just said that those guys hates someone like saddam more than they hate the usa and israel. It is just another example of how desperate and isolated and useless he had gotten. It was one of the last thing he could do to bother those that were giving him the shaft.
Source, please? I was not online much around the time of Powell's UN briefing. He cited sources that he said revealed wma were still operational. The source he cited had said in fact quite the opposite, but was quite dead so unable to argue. It's all over the net.
Listen, if you're norvigian, your luck is that your country is not part of this mess. You cannot walk along the usa and the british and build bridges and be nice. You're just helping invade their country. And I think the same of france, we cant just have this nice moothed president who suddenly happen to understand all the sorrow of the iraki people and forget our history of agression. And our involvement right now in many of the horrors that happen. But they are not horrors, you know, because we are open about them.
The game wants to run as root to install in/usr/local, if you decline and installs in/home or wherever you have rights to, it is fine. About the home install btw, i have symlinked the needed pak*.pak from a windows dual boot install in the base directory and it works fine. I have also tried to symlink the whole base directory (with unpacked files that one), after having saved the original linux one of course, and it worked fine too. I didnt test much as i am transcoding some file and my PC got a little bitchoppy, but appart from localisation (as said on the wiki) it ran fine. Thx Mr Besset.
It is a bit choppy at times (probably because the CPU is slower than required), As i said in the last doom story, it "seems" that unpacking the pak*.pak files gives a boost to slow cpu or slow/low memory PC. And of course, removing shadows increase the framerate and of course decrease the originality (and fear?)factor of the d3 engine.
1: You mean in reference to openness, right? Not in reference to WMD? yes in reference to openness and yes in reference to wmd, indirectly. The PATRIOT act is all about extending the powers of law enforcement, secret investiagionts, and increased information sharing. Not only. There were articles (dont know the right terms) in it, about crime of war by us soldiers that could not be prosecuted by any foreign courts, for instance. So I was really asking if it hadnt articles that limited what foreign institutions could do with us property in matter of investigation.
When I said openness, I referred to the fact that people are more likely to find out if the U.S. was up to secret weapons tests, than if Iraq did it. Untrue. If you happen to have convinced your fellow citizens that they are living in a truely open society, they will be less able to conceive that it isnt true anymore and any facts that gets in the open will be dismissed as rumours. By the way, when did you heard about the stealth fighters programs? If you were not part of those projects, i mean. So now, we know about them. Did your hear about breakthrough in chemical or biological warfare recently? No? But there must be some.
Well, certainly not in the amounts we, and the leaders(?), were led to believe. It was a credible threat, but most of the world believed it could be checked with inspections. It wasnt a credible threat and never has been. Come on! The country was rumble, the economics was dead, the population was starving, they even didnt have medications, for christ's sake. How ignorant one has to be to believe that such a country could produce anything more dangerous than flintstone?
With all the "intelligence" reports saying there was WMD development taking place, and verified development of medium-range missiles, it would be irresponsible not to address the situation. The big what-if's of giving WMD to terrorists. Those were lies, lies, lies. Come on, again! It was known BEFORE the war that one of those reports has been made by a student and was 12 years old and outdated. The un inspectors said big and loud that they found nothing but sand and rumbles. There were evidence that were produced before the un that were known to be fakes. We're not talking about an open society anymore here. We're talking about a society wich lies to its citizen, wich lied to the un undermining its ability to influence events toward peace, wich started a war with NO other reason than its selfish interest and which destabilizes other countries in doing so. And it was the point of my joke: all those points are what was hold against irak.
Saddam did support terrorist groups in the Middle East, allthough links to al'Quaida were weak, and had several WMD programs in the past. Thinking that Saddam and al'Quaida could have been allies, is like thinking Reagan could have been a soviet agent. A worse enemy to an islamic foundamentalist than israel or the usa is as arab nationalist that wants a laic society. On this point, the actual usa government and al'Quaida agree.
I think the US and UK went in too soon, but I also think France shouldn't have put in a permanent veto against any military force. I feel sorry for the soldiers that you have over there. You clearly have no grisp of what is the situation in that area of the world. France did the same terrible mistakes 40 years ago in Algeria. Granted, with the firepower you have, you might succeed in holding that private colony of yours, but that wont change the fact that it is a dirty colonial war.
I've said it before: The pre-war diplomacy was an international lunatic asylum with Bush and Chirac as the biggest loons, and Belgium and Germany as runner-ups. With Russia as an over-worked guard and China as a visitor. Well, it is pretty clear, when you know that irak oil was going to go to France, China and Russia. But if you prefer to believe the nice words our governants of our truely open society tell, then, yes, it might seem crazy since the words dont fit the behavior. (Did you know that Chirac stole his election in France too?)
Your reply wasnt only a matter-of-fact reply, it was also, like mine, a tongue-in-cheeks reply. So, 2 more points: 1/ to cover the matter-of-fact side of your reply: since your quite well informed, didnt the patriot act change a little bit that situation? 2/ for the tongue-in-cheeks side of both our replies: did you really miss the point that there wasnt any weapons of mass destruction in irak? Adn that it was the (tongue in cheeks) point of my reply? Did you really miss the fact that your society has such an open nature that your government didnt bother to listen to the un inspectors, didnt bother to tell the truth to its people and didnt bother to tell the truth to the rest of the world, and in the end made war to a crushed regime? Is that what you call open nature? Please.
It changes completly the onslaught gameplay, but in the tactical sense of it. Awesome game! Games are longuer, more balanced between the winning and the losing team, and the teamplay is even more important. The best coordinated team will win. Even the redeemer isnt that important anymore, and I have already seen many games were nobody would lose time to go for it, as it would mean losing one or two nodes immediatly.
Look at this picture: http://photos1.blogger.com/img/65/1386/1 024/IMG_07 75.jpg the girl on the left has a "I love Linux" button with 3 Tux. So this guy finds the pictures, posts them on slashdot and it happens there are pictures of the only woman in the whole world with a Tux button. Yeaa, right... Or Linux is really making progress on the desktop. Besides, he says they are cute, and they are not, so he must know them, even probably dating (or hoping to) one of them.
The focus of the engine may be shadows, but the focus of any game is fun. With 15fps, i can assure you there is no fun. Just add some smoke effects (a fps killer on my system, even without shadows) and it drops to ~5fps.
If you can reach 30fps without shadows, I can also assure you you gain more fun than you lose. Besides, there still are plenty of shadows in the game, it doesnt turn the game into the same kind of overlighted cartoon that you could turn q2 or Q3 into, just no dynamics ones.
That's what i meant. Decompressing the paks gave a boost, and removing the shadows from the options>/i> helped also. I presume that the decompression of the pak can only help for slow system, like mine which has a little slow memory and a 5000rpm hard drive. But I also presume that systems with a geforce5200 are quite low ended.
I just read this and noticed it wasnt clear that you wont be able to join mp AT ALL with decompressed pak because of anti cheating protection. If you want to join mp games, you can, just put back the paks you kept in a separate folder and put elsewhere the decompressed files and folder.
It's possible to have a much better framerate if you decompress the whole paks file and remove the shadows option. You wont be able to join multiplayer games with that, but anyway the mp mode isnt worth much. And I'm talking a X2 improvement here, from ~15 to ~30 on my machine. Try to find all the other available tips that are on every d3 forum and put them in a separate cfg file. Some of them DO work.
All in all, i found i got much more for the same money with ut2004 (2 dvds, a great editor, mapping and modeling video tutorials, mods, mods and mods) but still, d3 is a very good and very intense solo game. They did manage to keep the stress level up. Usually it really slows down after a few levels, here it keeps on being tense.
I will try to translate the last paragraph: Beyond all these figures, the advisory company recommand a few solutions to the IT directions in order to rationalize their computer parks. Among those reminders of sane behaviors, the company advises: recourse to thin client, recourse to Open Source softwares, optimization of licence management and to lower the turn over rate both in software and hardware.
They have received their doom3 copy a few weeks ago and have locked themselves in various places of the station since. Oxygen is the least of their terror right now, but the banging on the walls of the station on the other hand....
Last year, same month, as i was reading posts about u.s.a. people having hundreds of spam in their mailbox, i was laughing. It was safer here. I had 5 spams a week in may worst mailboxe. Then there was a few waves of windows worms which had me laughing because, well, I use linux. Then, after each waves, my mailbox received more spams. I'm now receiving 50 spams a day in that box. So 95% doesnt strike me as being an impossible number. It doesnt weaken your point about them not providing the way they did (or did not) the research but yes, spam is increasing as it is reaching countries and people unharmed till yet.
And worse, you think spam is ridiculous, but imagine when it's not even in your language: mortgage or degree dont mean anything here. Yet, I'm still laughing, as my rate of boxes switched to linux has increased like never. And my friend are quite happy to have their zombies back to the land of the living. 20 000 zombies? I buy.
hhmmm, spiderman will win in spidey3, hulk too in hulk2, the xmen will win and jean grey is not dead and returns as the phenix, palpatine is in fact the lord of the sith and is anakin's father (he inseminated his mother artificially since he prefers droids anyway, not that there is anything wrong with that.) a terrible empire rise under his rule in sw ep3... Shall I continue or do you see my point about your point being weak?
I believe that if an article is higly uninterresting, most of the posts will resolv around the fact that highly uninterresting articles shouldnt appear. Surprise, this is happening.
It would be newsworthy if it was the news that describe the new business model of valve with steam, but it has been done a long time ago. Or it would be newsworthy if it was the news that talks about the protocol behind steam, or the news that talk about some problem/success related to steam, or the people behind steam, or the community accepting/rejecting steam, or something new about half life2/cs/modding. But none of that.
It would be almost void of any interrest it it was the news that announce that the preloading of hl2 has started. But no, this is the news that say that part2 of the download of people that are preloading hl2 has started.
I agree with you. But since the subject was multimedia keyboard, i was refering to a multimedia use of the keyboard, that is: to use the desktop with the mouse. Of course, in a text oriented use of the computer, to have to drop the keyboard to get the mouse, THAT is the drawback.:wq
Actually it's even worse for linux, I mean as an overrated feature, since you can copy text just by highlighting it and paste it everywhere just by middle clicking the mouse. You dont have to use the keyboard AT ALL so going back to a special key or a combinaison of keys is even more a waste of time in term of usability.
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I find your post quite interresting and informative.
I might add this article from a not so famous web news site which adds a little bit to your infos:
yesterday
Might I add that you seem qualified for a slashdot editor job?
-Doom3 Linux binary released. by Timothy.
-Release of the Doom3 Linux version. by michael.
-Linux Doom3 finally released. by Cliff.
-A look at the socio-economics behind the Linux Doom3 release. by JKatz
-The Doom3 Linux server is included in the Linux Doom3 release. By CowboyNeal.
- Doom 3 for Linux Released. by CmdrTaco who doesnt even read his own stories.
Funny that your reply comes after 2 stories about lies from the white house.
OK, you're norwegian. I'm french but I have lived one year in norway and it is the country i can call the most open in the world, at least among those i know. France or the usa, which I both also know don't come close to it, and it's because they have agendas.
We don't know the real reasons of this war, some economist say it's because sadam was going to be able to give his oil to russia, china and france AND to accept to get paid in euros, but this is all noise. What"s for sure is that they didnt attack it because of wmd, which he didnt have, which he wasnt even close to have, because he would have been the last on the list of guys to attack then. Btw, he would also have used them if he had them.
As for algeria, it never was part or france, because the french never considered the algerian as french people. It's as simple as that. It's like kosovo and serbia, when you start to send the army to do police job, to move populations out of their centuries old countrysides, to kill randomly just for the sake of being algerian (or kosovar) and being there (the french soldiers used to do "corvee de bois": to kill the first algerian they met), it means you know you're not in your country. It's as simple as that, it's the salomon judgement: if you try to cut people from their land, then the land is not yours. Yes, I'm speaking of Palestine also.
So were the norwegian in germany to take them anything? No. Were the french after the 2nd war in germany to take them anything? no. Were the french in algeria to take them anything? Yes, everything. And did the usa forces in irak secure first the ministry of oil, yes or no?
Also, I don't deny that fundamentalists groups were in irak, even maybe al quaida. I just said that those guys hates someone like saddam more than they hate the usa and israel. It is just another example of how desperate and isolated and useless he had gotten. It was one of the last thing he could do to bother those that were giving him the shaft.
Source, please? I was not online much around the time of Powell's UN briefing.
He cited sources that he said revealed wma were still operational. The source he cited had said in fact quite the opposite, but was quite dead so unable to argue. It's all over the net.
Listen, if you're norvigian, your luck is that your country is not part of this mess. You cannot walk along the usa and the british and build bridges and be nice. You're just helping invade their country. And I think the same of france, we cant just have this nice moothed president who suddenly happen to understand all the sorrow of the iraki people and forget our history of agression. And our involvement right now in many of the horrors that happen. But they are not horrors, you know, because we are open about them.
The game wants to run as root to install in /usr/local, if you decline and installs in /home or wherever you have rights to, it is fine.
About the home install btw, i have symlinked the needed pak*.pak from a windows dual boot install in the base directory and it works fine.
I have also tried to symlink the whole base directory (with unpacked files that one), after having saved the original linux one of course, and it worked fine too.
I didnt test much as i am transcoding some file and my PC got a little bitchoppy, but appart from localisation (as said on the wiki) it ran fine.
Thx Mr Besset.
It is a bit choppy at times (probably because the CPU is slower than required),
As i said in the last doom story, it "seems" that unpacking the pak*.pak files gives a boost to slow cpu or slow/low memory PC.
And of course, removing shadows increase the framerate and of course decrease the originality (and fear?)factor of the d3 engine.
ok
1: You mean in reference to openness, right? Not in reference to WMD?
yes in reference to openness and yes in reference to wmd, indirectly.
The PATRIOT act is all about extending the powers of law enforcement, secret investiagionts, and increased information sharing.
Not only. There were articles (dont know the right terms) in it, about crime of war by us soldiers that could not be prosecuted by any foreign courts, for instance. So I was really asking if it hadnt articles that limited what foreign institutions could do with us property in matter of investigation.
When I said openness, I referred to the fact that people are more likely to find out if the U.S. was up to secret weapons tests, than if Iraq did it.
Untrue.
If you happen to have convinced your fellow citizens that they are living in a truely open society, they will be less able to conceive that it isnt true anymore and any facts that gets in the open will be dismissed as rumours.
By the way, when did you heard about the stealth fighters programs? If you were not part of those projects, i mean. So now, we know about them. Did your hear about breakthrough in chemical or biological warfare recently? No? But there must be some.
Well, certainly not in the amounts we, and the leaders(?), were led to believe. It was a credible threat, but most of the world believed it could be checked with inspections.
It wasnt a credible threat and never has been. Come on! The country was rumble, the economics was dead, the population was starving, they even didnt have medications, for christ's sake. How ignorant one has to be to believe that such a country could produce anything more dangerous than flintstone?
With all the "intelligence" reports saying there was WMD development taking place, and verified development of medium-range missiles, it would be irresponsible not to address the situation. The big what-if's of giving WMD to terrorists.
Those were lies, lies, lies.
Come on, again!
It was known BEFORE the war that one of those reports has been made by a student and was 12 years old and outdated. The un inspectors said big and loud that they found nothing but sand and rumbles. There were evidence that were produced before the un that were known to be fakes.
We're not talking about an open society anymore here. We're talking about a society wich lies to its citizen, wich lied to the un undermining its ability to influence events toward peace, wich started a war with NO other reason than its selfish interest and which destabilizes other countries in doing so.
And it was the point of my joke: all those points are what was hold against irak.
Saddam did support terrorist groups in the Middle East, allthough links to al'Quaida were weak, and had several WMD programs in the past.
Thinking that Saddam and al'Quaida could have been allies, is like thinking Reagan could have been a soviet agent.
A worse enemy to an islamic foundamentalist than israel or the usa is as arab nationalist that wants a laic society. On this point, the actual usa government and al'Quaida agree.
I think the US and UK went in too soon, but I also think France shouldn't have put in a permanent veto against any military force.
I feel sorry for the soldiers that you have over there. You clearly have no grisp of what is the situation in that area of the world. France did the same terrible mistakes 40 years ago in Algeria.
Granted, with the firepower you have, you might succeed in holding that private colony of yours, but that wont change the fact that it is a dirty colonial war.
I've said it before: The pre-war diplomacy was an international lunatic asylum with Bush and Chirac as the biggest loons, and Belgium and Germany as runner-ups. With Russia as an over-worked guard and China as a visitor.
Well, it is pretty clear, when you know that irak oil was going to go to France, China and Russia. But if you prefer to believe the nice words our governants of our truely open society tell, then, yes, it might seem crazy since the words dont fit the behavior. (Did you know that Chirac stole his election in France too?)
Your reply wasnt only a matter-of-fact reply, it was also, like mine, a tongue-in-cheeks reply.
So, 2 more points:
1/ to cover the matter-of-fact side of your reply: since your quite well informed, didnt the patriot act change a little bit that situation?
2/ for the tongue-in-cheeks side of both our replies: did you really miss the point that there wasnt any weapons of mass destruction in irak? Adn that it was the (tongue in cheeks) point of my reply?
Did you really miss the fact that your society has such an open nature that your government didnt bother to listen to the un inspectors, didnt bother to tell the truth to its people and didnt bother to tell the truth to the rest of the world, and in the end made war to a crushed regime? Is that what you call open nature?
Please.
It changes completly the onslaught gameplay, but in the tactical sense of it. Awesome game!
Games are longuer, more balanced between the winning and the losing team, and the teamplay is even more important. The best coordinated team will win.
Even the redeemer isnt that important anymore, and I have already seen many games were nobody would lose time to go for it, as it would mean losing one or two nodes immediatly.
Sure! And who knows, they might also allow U.N. inspectors to check if there are weapons of massive destructions in the U.S.A.?
You're not funny. Not even half close to be.
And what about the "they're not pretty" part?
Do you deny that also?
Look at this picture:1 024/IMG_07 75.jpg
http://photos1.blogger.com/img/65/1386/
the girl on the left has a "I love Linux" button with 3 Tux.
So this guy finds the pictures, posts them on slashdot and it happens there are pictures of the only woman in the whole world with a Tux button. Yeaa, right...
Or Linux is really making progress on the desktop.
Besides, he says they are cute, and they are not, so he must know them, even probably dating (or hoping to) one of them.
The focus of the engine may be shadows, but the focus of any game is fun.
With 15fps, i can assure you there is no fun. Just add some smoke effects (a fps killer on my system, even without shadows) and it drops to ~5fps.
If you can reach 30fps without shadows, I can also assure you you gain more fun than you lose.
Besides, there still are plenty of shadows in the game, it doesnt turn the game into the same kind of overlighted cartoon that you could turn q2 or Q3 into, just no dynamics ones.
That's what i meant.
Decompressing the paks gave a boost, and removing the shadows from the options>/i> helped also.
I presume that the decompression of the pak can only help for slow system, like mine which has a little slow memory and a 5000rpm hard drive. But I also presume that systems with a geforce5200 are quite low ended.
I just read this and noticed it wasnt clear that you wont be able to join mp AT ALL with decompressed pak because of anti cheating protection.
If you want to join mp games, you can, just put back the paks you kept in a separate folder and put elsewhere the decompressed files and folder.
It's possible to have a much better framerate if you decompress the whole paks file and remove the shadows option. You wont be able to join multiplayer games with that, but anyway the mp mode isnt worth much.
And I'm talking a X2 improvement here, from ~15 to ~30 on my machine.
Try to find all the other available tips that are on every d3 forum and put them in a separate cfg file. Some of them DO work.
All in all, i found i got much more for the same money with ut2004 (2 dvds, a great editor, mapping and modeling video tutorials, mods, mods and mods) but still, d3 is a very good and very intense solo game. They did manage to keep the stress level up. Usually it really slows down after a few levels, here it keeps on being tense.
I will try to translate the last paragraph:
Beyond all these figures, the advisory company recommand a few solutions to the IT directions in order to rationalize their computer parks.
Among those reminders of sane behaviors, the company advises: recourse to thin client, recourse to Open Source softwares, optimization of licence management and to lower the turn over rate both in software and hardware.
They have received their doom3 copy a few weeks ago and have locked themselves in various places of the station since. Oxygen is the least of their terror right now, but the banging on the walls of the station on the other hand....
Last year, same month, as i was reading posts about u.s.a. people having hundreds of spam in their mailbox, i was laughing. It was safer here. I had 5 spams a week in may worst mailboxe.
Then there was a few waves of windows worms which had me laughing because, well, I use linux.
Then, after each waves, my mailbox received more spams. I'm now receiving 50 spams a day in that box. So 95% doesnt strike me as being an impossible number. It doesnt weaken your point about them not providing the way they did (or did not) the research but yes, spam is increasing as it is reaching countries and people unharmed till yet.
And worse, you think spam is ridiculous, but imagine when it's not even in your language: mortgage or degree dont mean anything here.
Yet, I'm still laughing, as my rate of boxes switched to linux has increased like never. And my friend are quite happy to have their zombies back to the land of the living.
20 000 zombies? I buy.
hhmmm, spiderman will win in spidey3, hulk too in hulk2, the xmen will win and jean grey is not dead and returns as the phenix, palpatine is in fact the lord of the sith and is anakin's father (he inseminated his mother artificially since he prefers droids anyway, not that there is anything wrong with that.) a terrible empire rise under his rule in sw ep3 ...
Shall I continue or do you see my point about your point being weak?
I believe that if an article is higly uninterresting, most of the posts will resolv around the fact that highly uninterresting articles shouldnt appear.
Surprise, this is happening.
It would be newsworthy if it was the news that describe the new business model of valve with steam, but it has been done a long time ago.
Or it would be newsworthy if it was the news that talks about the protocol behind steam, or the news that talk about some problem/success related to steam, or the people behind steam, or the community accepting/rejecting steam, or something new about half life2/cs/modding. But none of that.
It would be almost void of any interrest it it was the news that announce that the preloading of hl2 has started.
But no, this is the news that say that part2 of the download of people that are preloading hl2 has started.
I'm dowloading an ut2004 mod right now, shall I send a news to slashdot?
I agree with you. But since the subject was multimedia keyboard, i was refering to a multimedia use of the keyboard, that is: to use the desktop with the mouse. :wq
Of course, in a text oriented use of the computer, to have to drop the keyboard to get the mouse, THAT is the drawback.
Actually it's even worse for linux, I mean as an overrated feature, since you can copy text just by highlighting it and paste it everywhere just by middle clicking the mouse.
You dont have to use the keyboard AT ALL so going back to a special key or a combinaison of keys is even more a waste of time in term of usability.