FFX was the initial reason I bought a PS2. And after playing it I'm glad I did. Zelda and Metroid have that pull for Nintendo, for me personally, not as great as FFn, but enough to get me to buy one. As soon as both of these are out I'll be grabbing a Cube. Though, the import store down the street is selling pre-modded Cubes so I may not wait, import games tend to be so much cooler than what we get on average.
That was an odd comment but not for the reason you imply. The PS2 was an XBox killer. The thing's a piece of shit. Support is awful. And they're trying to appeal to a market that probably has the highest total percentage of MS haters. There aren't many people who WANT the XBOX to succeed. And there are, I'm sure, a significant number of people who won't buy an Xbox no matter how good it gets. I personally wouldn't. I have a PS2 for the few console games I want to play and a computer for the more in depth games.
You have no choice but to wait for it since it's not out yet.
Speculation like that is not what killed the Dreamcast. Sega killed the Dreamcast, just like they kill all of their systems. Which is unfortunate, because I like the DC, it doesn't compare to the PS2, but there are some really fun games on it.
IF such a cd was created, and IF it was really well done, I personally would have no qualms about spending my time and money to help get these out in the same manner aol does theirs. We could do it like every other OSS project, 100's of people contributing $5-10 or whatever they wanted.
Imagine it. A CD comes in the mail with a label like:
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ANYTHING. WE ARE SENDING YOU THIS EASY TO USE CD FULL OF QUALITY OSS APPLICATIONS TO USE FOR FREE ect..
A little insert with a description of the project and where to go to learn more would go a long way.
I wonder what the costs would be for a project like this, it's a really good idea. If it's practical it would really be cool.
That's hardly true. The best shows aren't the Screensavers and Call For Help. Big Thinkers, probably the best show on the channel is probably the most Comp Sci oriented show on tv. With guests like Daniel Dennett, Bruce Sterling, and Lawrence Lessig it's a show for intelligent geeks . Extended play, is a game new/reviews tech live is good for tech news. Eyedrops runs CG movie shorts. Fresh Gear highlights new gadgets.
contrary to the parent post all of these shows run more or less daily rather then 'every once and (uhhh try in here pal) a while'. There's plenty of substance on the channel, more so than most, and it's almost definitely my personal favorite channel.
I should mention that the show the the parent implicity derides (The Screen Savers) is a catch all tech show with a definite pro linux slant that's well worth watching.
Uhh, hmm. It's actually the other way around. We use Linux for real work. Why because it's better at it. What's my Windows box for... games, and that's it, and it does an awfully poor job at it to boot.
Actually I wouldn't say ALL of them, but I've often suspected game companies of having some bugs that are fixable with the patch that's released three days later.
I was actually thinking about that this weekend. After I rebuilt my woindows box I decided to install Diablo II which needs to be registered in order to download patches (AFAIK), I haven't tried yet, but I don't know if there's any identifying information I need to give them (pw ect.) to get the latest patches. If there are, I sure as hell don't remember them. Furthermore, what if I had sold the game. Perfectly legal, but the next owner couldn't register it so can't get the patches.
Whether or not a person would have bought the copy is completely relevant. He doesn't have to dictate the value of the software. The dictated value could be anything, it could be ridiculously high, that doesn't mean it's worth it. I'm not so sure why it's difficult to understand. If there is no way I'll buy a piece of software then you have no lost revenue due to me. You've lost ABSOLUTELY nothing. You didn't front the costs for the blank cd's, you didn't pay for the paper I used to photocopy the manual. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I'VE COPIED IT. It's a completely different situation than theft.
You need to re=read the GPL, they can sell Linux, you CAN sell GPL software. That isn't prevented in any way by the GPL. Yes they have to provide the source, but that's pretty much it.
I can pull GPL software that you wrote off of sourceforge and sell it if I want. Anyone would be a fool to buy it, but as long as I make the source available I'm completely in the clear.
As far as just selling the packaging and support, to tell you the truth that's how I feel about MS. They're selling me a really big number recorded in a certain format on a cd. Once I have tha number I'll do with it what I want.
Hmm, you'd think that it would be a conflict of interest for a court ordered audit to be handled by those that started the suit, or were even employed by them. If they have to file a suit and get a court ordered audit, they should be required to have an independent auditor handle it.
These are Java developers, not the mom n' pop set (I know, some will say, they're just as bad:->), after all.
Yeah they are just as bad. For some reason Java tends to attract the people who probably shouldn't be coding in the first place. Usually the "I'll use this hammer to drive this screw" kind of people. It's funny, for all of the hype about how great Java is, where are all the applications? Java is a pretty good web language, outside of that it's virtually useless. How can you possubly hope to compete as a company writing application software in Java? Your competitors will have higher quality products (less memory use, faster, DOESN'T require a jvm to run).
Not trying to start a flame war here, but the credo of every good coder should be "the right tool for the right job", and for some reason a good number of Java *ahem* developers can't wrap their heads around that.
Well done Tomb of Horrors? Impossible;) I can't wait to see it either, but it will be unplayable just like the real thing, at least if it's true to the module.
Yeah, the whole game IS the editor. The adventure that get's shipped will have been created with the very same tools that you get, assuming they are sticking to what they said over a year ago. That's what attracted me to it in the first place. There was a SSI D&D creator, I forget the exact title, but it allowed you to create gold-box games. There was actually quite a large user scene for it. Hopefully it will be the same for NN, I'd love to play and convert old adventures, as well as create new ones.
Why the hell do people keep praising a successful troll
Because it's funny.
There's a big difference between a well executed bait, meant as a joke, and one that's genuinely rude. Not to mention you just contradicted yourself.
So no matter how hard a troll tries to fake it, he can't hold a candle to the real thing
So of course people end up assuming the troll is genuine
So which is it, people assume that it's a troll because they can't tell the difference, or they can tell the difference because a troll can't hold a candle to the real thing?
Besides, it doesn't matter either way. Either we're laughing at the troll and the people who got suckered by it, or we're laughing at the troller because, if his ideas are genuine, they're too ridiculous to be taken seriously.
Trolling done well IS admirable. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making people laugh. Lighten up.
LOL. You weren't trolling, you were trolled. The original poster was joking. It was bait, you took it. He's sitting back laughing. I'm sitting back laughing. All of the moderators that marked him as funny are sitting back laughing. Don't take it personally, but he got you.
Yeah that's it. Let's compare the headstart Windows had over windows so it could get entrenched. And the shady (and often downright illegal) business procatices used by MS. And the propaganda campaigns MS foists off on the general public. Windows isn't where it is because it's better, it's there because of monopolistic business practices. If Linux and Windows were sitting on a shelf at the same age of developement, the story would have been entirely different.
The assumption that Windows is of higher quality because more people use it is a fallacy. As if the only factor determining a products qulaity is how many people use it.
Hehe, yeah, if the licenses are contract click through's are completely un-enforcable. I'm in no way compelled to show you a copy of my contract if youlost yours. I'll through mine away to and neither of us are bound to it any longer.
If it's a click-through then the BSA has absolutely no basis for an audit, first they must prove that you agreed to a click-through license, to do that they need access to your computers, to do that they need to prove that you agreed to a click though license, to do that they need...
And that's ONLY if you are of the stance that click-through's are legally binding. Not to mention. Prove I saw the click through. What if I got a piece of software, edited the binary prior to running it, never saw the click through. What then, I can duplicate the process, I've never read, any licensing or installation text, I am not bound.
Ain't that a bitch too. I need a license from the government to get married. WTF is that all about? No wonder companies think they can get away with licensing anything, the friggin government has been doing it for years.;)
Are you kidding? Is this documentable? Bigger bunch of bastards than I thought. Of course I guess the tradeoff is that you don't have to by seat licenses for every machine and you get off cheaper?
I'd like to fuck over the BSA, start a company, run all OSS. Phone in several anonymous tips that we're running un-licensed software. And sue the fuck out of them when they try to force there way in to audit my machines.
The BSA has no authority in this matter EULA or no. You cannot sign away your constitutional rights. As far as making a quik change to OSS. Again, I don't care if they swear till they're blue in the face that there was un-licensed software running there yesterday, it isn't today, and that's all that matters.
Also, they absolutely CANNOT demand to install auditting software on those machines. That's theft in my book. They are forcefully taking away my cycles.
Furthermore, they can't attempt to enforce a EULA that they don't know you accepted. Until they audit they have no way of knowing that you have EULA covered software on your machines, until they know you have EULA protected software on your machines they have no right to audit those machines.
if you dont have people that get money for their work on the product the quality decreases
Hmmm, I have to disagree. Most people who don't get money for their work, and do it anyway are doing it for the joy of it, usually as a labor of love. The end product is usually BETTER than the work they get paid for, since it's generally not something they care about. Nor do they feel compelled to go above and beyond what they're required to do.
Money, while a necessary evil (well sort of), degrades a product's quality. One needs only to look to MS for a real world example.
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FFX was the initial reason I bought a PS2. And after playing it I'm glad I did. Zelda and Metroid have that pull for Nintendo, for me personally, not as great as FFn, but enough to get me to buy one. As soon as both of these are out I'll be grabbing a Cube. Though, the import store down the street is selling pre-modded Cubes so I may not wait, import games tend to be so much cooler than what we get on average.
That was an odd comment but not for the reason you imply. The PS2 was an XBox killer. The thing's a piece of shit. Support is awful. And they're trying to appeal to a market that probably has the highest total percentage of MS haters. There aren't many people who WANT the XBOX to succeed. And there are, I'm sure, a significant number of people who won't buy an Xbox no matter how good it gets. I personally wouldn't. I have a PS2 for the few console games I want to play and a computer for the more in depth games.
Easy, pile up her shoes, add the price of them up, show that it's more than a Ps2, PS3, and PS4 combined. ;0
Speculation like that is not what killed the Dreamcast. Sega killed the Dreamcast, just like they kill all of their systems. Which is unfortunate, because I like the DC, it doesn't compare to the PS2, but there are some really fun games on it.
Imagine it. A CD comes in the mail with a label like:
WE ARE NOT TRYING TO SELL YOU ANYTHING.
WE ARE SENDING YOU THIS EASY TO USE CD FULL OF QUALITY OSS APPLICATIONS TO USE FOR FREE ect..
A little insert with a description of the project and where to go to learn more would go a long way.
I wonder what the costs would be for a project like this, it's a really good idea. If it's practical it would really be cool.
He didn't mispell it, it was a nod to pirating windows. You know, you down with opp. ;)
contrary to the parent post all of these shows run more or less daily rather then 'every once and (uhhh try in here pal) a while'. There's plenty of substance on the channel, more so than most, and it's almost definitely my personal favorite channel.
I should mention that the show the the parent implicity derides (The Screen Savers) is a catch all tech show with a definite pro linux slant that's well worth watching.
Uhh, hmm. It's actually the other way around. We use Linux for real work. Why because it's better at it. What's my Windows box for... games, and that's it, and it does an awfully poor job at it to boot.
I was actually thinking about that this weekend. After I rebuilt my woindows box I decided to install Diablo II which needs to be registered in order to download patches (AFAIK), I haven't tried yet, but I don't know if there's any identifying information I need to give them (pw ect.) to get the latest patches. If there are, I sure as hell don't remember them. Furthermore, what if I had sold the game. Perfectly legal, but the next owner couldn't register it so can't get the patches.
Whether or not a person would have bought the copy is completely relevant. He doesn't have to dictate the value of the software. The dictated value could be anything, it could be ridiculously high, that doesn't mean it's worth it. I'm not so sure why it's difficult to understand. If there is no way I'll buy a piece of software then you have no lost revenue due to me. You've lost ABSOLUTELY nothing. You didn't front the costs for the blank cd's, you didn't pay for the paper I used to photocopy the manual. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THAT I'VE COPIED IT. It's a completely different situation than theft.
I can pull GPL software that you wrote off of sourceforge and sell it if I want. Anyone would be a fool to buy it, but as long as I make the source available I'm completely in the clear.
As far as just selling the packaging and support, to tell you the truth that's how I feel about MS. They're selling me a really big number recorded in a certain format on a cd. Once I have tha number I'll do with it what I want.
Hmm, you'd think that it would be a conflict of interest for a court ordered audit to be handled by those that started the suit, or were even employed by them. If they have to file a suit and get a court ordered audit, they should be required to have an independent auditor handle it.
These are Java developers, not the mom n' pop set (I know, some will say, they're just as bad
Yeah they are just as bad. For some reason Java tends to attract the people who probably shouldn't be coding in the first place. Usually the "I'll use this hammer to drive this screw" kind of people. It's funny, for all of the hype about how great Java is, where are all the applications? Java is a pretty good web language, outside of that it's virtually useless. How can you possubly hope to compete as a company writing application software in Java? Your competitors will have higher quality products (less memory use, faster, DOESN'T require a jvm to run).
Not trying to start a flame war here, but the credo of every good coder should be "the right tool for the right job", and for some reason a good number of Java *ahem* developers can't wrap their heads around that.
Well done Tomb of Horrors? Impossible ;) I can't wait to see it either, but it will be unplayable just like the real thing, at least if it's true to the module.
Yeah, the whole game IS the editor. The adventure that get's shipped will have been created with the very same tools that you get, assuming they are sticking to what they said over a year ago. That's what attracted me to it in the first place. There was a SSI D&D creator, I forget the exact title, but it allowed you to create gold-box games. There was actually quite a large user scene for it. Hopefully it will be the same for NN, I'd love to play and convert old adventures, as well as create new ones.
Why the hell do people keep praising a successful troll
Because it's funny.
There's a big difference between a well executed bait, meant as a joke, and one that's genuinely rude. Not to mention you just contradicted yourself.
So no matter how hard a troll tries to fake it, he can't hold a candle to the real thing
So of course people end up assuming the troll is genuine
So which is it, people assume that it's a troll because they can't tell the difference, or they can tell the difference because a troll can't hold a candle to the real thing?
Besides, it doesn't matter either way. Either we're laughing at the troll and the people who got suckered by it, or we're laughing at the troller because, if his ideas are genuine, they're too ridiculous to be taken seriously.
Trolling done well IS admirable. There is absolutely nothing wrong with making people laugh. Lighten up.
LOL. You weren't trolling, you were trolled. The original poster was joking. It was bait, you took it. He's sitting back laughing. I'm sitting back laughing. All of the moderators that marked him as funny are sitting back laughing. Don't take it personally, but he got you.
The assumption that Windows is of higher quality because more people use it is a fallacy. As if the only factor determining a products qulaity is how many people use it.
Hehe, yeah, if the licenses are contract click through's are completely un-enforcable. I'm in no way compelled to show you a copy of my contract if youlost yours. I'll through mine away to and neither of us are bound to it any longer.
And that's ONLY if you are of the stance that click-through's are legally binding. Not to mention. Prove I saw the click through. What if I got a piece of software, edited the binary prior to running it, never saw the click through. What then, I can duplicate the process, I've never read, any licensing or installation text, I am not bound.
Ain't that a bitch too. I need a license from the government to get married. WTF is that all about? No wonder companies think they can get away with licensing anything, the friggin government has been doing it for years. ;)
Insightful!! Who marked this as insightful? You and your moderators have just been trolled. And well done to the orginal poster as well.
I'd like to fuck over the BSA, start a company, run all OSS. Phone in several anonymous tips that we're running un-licensed software. And sue the fuck out of them when they try to force there way in to audit my machines.
Also, they absolutely CANNOT demand to install auditting software on those machines. That's theft in my book. They are forcefully taking away my cycles.
Furthermore, they can't attempt to enforce a EULA that they don't know you accepted. Until they audit they have no way of knowing that you have EULA covered software on your machines, until they know you have EULA protected software on your machines they have no right to audit those machines.
if you dont have people that get money for their work on the product the quality decreases
Hmmm, I have to disagree. Most people who don't get money for their work, and do it anyway
are doing it for the joy of it, usually as a labor of love. The end product is usually BETTER than the work they get paid for, since it's generally not something they care about. Nor do they feel compelled to go above and beyond what they're required to do.
Money, while a necessary evil (well sort of), degrades a product's quality. One needs only to look to MS for a real world example.