What's the difference here? Either update mechanism can learn what you have on the PC.
Mirror servers download the debs and you can pick a server location from a list to get your automatic updates from. So you're most likely getting your debs from a server not even owned by canonical.
That's the difference and I already said that in the post you replied to.
If you're still in contact with your friend... in 2 days time Ubuntu Gutsy is going to be released if you could burn a copy and load up the live CD and just see if you can connect (no need to install, although that might help if you can do that).
If it doesn't work type "uname -a" into the terminal while you have Ubuntu running and then note down the details as well as the network card information which you can get from System -> Preferences -> Hardware Information
After that file a bug on launchpad with the information you have although I have a feeling that I bet that laptop will work in Gutsy (I'm an optimist).
And, they use different package formats, so some developers will generate for the X distro, others for Y, and most won't at all.
Actually that's not a big problem. There is a program in the ubuntu repoistory called alien that will turn rpm packages into deb packages.
1) Download the rpm you want to install on ubuntu 2) type "sudo apt-get install alien" 3) type "alien packagename.rpm" 4) Double click on your freshly made deb package
I had to do this to install Nvidias cg toolkit on Ubuntu and it worked without any problems at all.
Did you submit a bug on launchpad about that laptop giving the details of what your network card problem was? If not it won't get fixed. Ubuntu is mostly run by volunteers that depends on people like you to submit bug reports.
Also did you check the irc chatroom or forums out for help? I had one guy in the IRC room that couldn't get his webcam working on Ubuntu. After I did a quick search on the forums I found a post on how to get his hardware working and gave him the link. He thanked me and said it was now working.
Not really. It's more to do with the fact that once a version of Ubuntu is released you only get security updates in the repository. So for example there is no Pidgin in Ubuntu Feisty because that was released after Ubuntu Feisty was.
The reason they only provide security updates is because they don't want a situation where continuously updating stuff in the repositories breaks other programs. Instead Canonical will take a snapshot of all the new programs and work really hard testing that snapshot and sorting out all the bugs, release that out the door and start working on the next version.
So if you want Pidgin or another must have updated program on Feisty then you go to getdeb.net
Ubuntu Gutsy is being released on 18th this month (2 days) so that'll have a ton of updated programs, features, etc.
Maybe not hardware makers, but I have noticed a lot more bug reports coming into launchpad from users with Dell hardware which feels like there is a Dell baby boom happening in the Ubuntu community.
Sorry dude but I only respond to criticism that has merit, not crap about how your wife can't use Ubuntu because it's for "geeks" and then you made a load of FUD about why people shouldn't use Ubuntu.
It's the few like you who turn people off to Linux
No, it's people like YOU that instead of being on topic in an article about Mircosoft see any opportunity to spread FUD about Linux. This article was about Windows Update why the hell are you talking about Ubuntu adoption?!?
If you tried to kill me, it's ok for me to kill you.
It depends on the situation of course but actually I disagree with your thinking. If you tried to kill me, changed your mind and then started to run away I couldn't legally shoot you in the back.
What I am saying is that it's wrong kill anyone. If you do kill someone in self-defensive it's not ok because you have just done something wrong, that doesn't mean you didn't make the wrong decision to defend yourself ofcourse!:)
Killing is killing. It doesn't matter who does it.
What has your comment got to do with project organisation? I think you mis-read the GPs comment.
So wheres the graphics software thats as good as Photoshop?
There is none and never will be. Why? Nothing will convince a hardcore Photoshoper who has invested 15 years experience to switch. It's also the same reason Windows Power users and Admins continuously complain about Linux not being a windows clone.
Sure it's not "Out of the box" TM but if you just installed Ubuntu I don't understand what the problem would be following those steps that would take you 10 seconds on a broadband PC, maybe longer depending.
2) ease of installing software.
Here you're essentially complaining that Ubuntu isn't windows. Newsflash it's a different operating system, as just demonstrated above installing software is simple so I don't understand you ease of use argument.
Feel like playing a game? Applications -> Add/Remove -> click Games -> Read the game descriptions and ratings -> tick the ones you want to play -> Apply.
Need an FTP program? Applications -> Add/Remove -> Search: FTP -> Read the program descriptions and ratings -> tick the one you want to try -> Apply.
What is so difficult apart from the fact that "it's not the way windows does things"? It's not suppose to be, it's suppose to be better and easier.
I'd bet my bottom dollar that most people pop in a CD and autorun takes over
That's great just like the time someone in the office had a virus on their flash drive and popped it into someone else's computer and then that person popped their own flash drive into my computer and gave me the virus, which then spread to my home computer when I put some stuff on my flash drive. Ofcourse I didn't know this because the virus file was in a folder with a weird name which hides itself when running windows. Of course mount that partition on Ubuntu and that folder pops right up.
Most users know how to search the web for software, so that's not a problem.
ARE YOU KIDDING!?! Read above! Most users have no clue how to install software and your idiotic suggestion to "Google" for software (wtf?) is not only difficult for unskilled users but also it's not platform dependant to windows.
Now, I do like synaptic and apt-get. But they are not easier than double clicking an icon on your desktop.
You can do that on Ubuntu too. It's called a deb file. You double click that and it'll install a program for you. For example I use Skype so I went to http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu and downloaded my deb file to the desktop and double clicked it.
It's easier to search the web than some program that suffers from what I like to call "yellow pages syndrome", where stuff is placed into arbitrary categories.
I assume you're talking about add/remove which is what I was talking about further up. If you noticed you would have realised that those "categories" are the items in your menu of where the program is going to be installed that way the user knows where to go after they installed the program!
You claim you use Ubuntu but all you have done is spent your time complaining about how Ubuntu isn't windows therefore no one will use it.
Contrary to popular belief, MS is NOT a monopoly. Anyone can go into any computer store and buy a computer that doesn't have Windows.
Interesting lets test this..
Walks into PC world.. Only windows PCs Walks into Currys.. Only windows PCs Walks into the office sony store.. windows again.. Walks into Tesco.. Budget PCs and Laptops.. Only windows Walks into Sainsburys.. see above
These are possibly reasons for concern, but just to be clear they are a far cry from the upload everything!!!oneoneone!!!
You may trust a Third party such as Microsoft with data from your PC but most people here don't.
Keep in mind that at the end of the day, any automatic update server (Windows, Ubuntu, insert your OS) can learn a lot about what's installed in the system being updated,
As already stated further up the thread, the way Ubuntu updates are done is via a file with a list of software package information which is downloaded from the canonical servers and your machine decides what needs to be updated. There is no uploading of information to canonical. In fact I believe the "Ubuntu automatic update server" as you call it is just a web server with some debs thrown on it.
Mirror servers download the debs and you can pick a server location from a list to get your automatic updates from. So you're most likely getting your debs from a server not even owned by canonical. For example I was in Thailand last year and picked to download my automatic updates off a Thai mirror site. Now I'm back in England I picked a UK mirror.
You're trying to make it sound like it's no greener on the other side but it just comes off as a FUD attack. You're wrong on this matter and Microsoft is in the bad for stealing Windows Users data.
- They shouldn't be playing an M rated game in the church because it's 17+, or - The ESRB sucks at rating games because Halo 3 can be played in a church even though it's rated 17+
I haven't made up my mind WTF they're talking about, although I might have helped if I RTFA
Slashdot Mirror
Xchat..
FLOSS for Linux but Windows users have to pay for the binary.
It's used internally on their machines. They're not distributing anything to you. You get no code. HTML pages arn't code. That's what you are getting.
That's the difference and I already said that in the post you replied to.
To elaborate on what the parent said. You'll get security updates only for feisty.
If that's the way you feel then download the Ubuntu alternative image. It's a base install from which you can install more packages on top of.
If you're still in contact with your friend... in 2 days time Ubuntu Gutsy is going to be released if you could burn a copy and load up the live CD and just see if you can connect (no need to install, although that might help if you can do that).
If it doesn't work type "uname -a" into the terminal while you have Ubuntu running and then note down the details as well as the network card information which you can get from System -> Preferences -> Hardware Information
After that file a bug on launchpad with the information you have although I have a feeling that I bet that laptop will work in Gutsy (I'm an optimist).
1) Download the rpm you want to install on ubuntu
2) type "sudo apt-get install alien"
3) type "alien packagename.rpm"
4) Double click on your freshly made deb package
I had to do this to install Nvidias cg toolkit on Ubuntu and it worked without any problems at all.
Yes, wasn't the pirate bay suppose to be opening a video sharing website? What happened to that idea?
I'm vegetarian
Did you submit a bug on launchpad about that laptop giving the details of what your network card problem was? If not it won't get fixed. Ubuntu is mostly run by volunteers that depends on people like you to submit bug reports.
Also did you check the irc chatroom or forums out for help? I had one guy in the IRC room that couldn't get his webcam working on Ubuntu. After I did a quick search on the forums I found a post on how to get his hardware working and gave him the link. He thanked me and said it was now working.
I don't think Dell supports technical problems. I think you have to buy that as an extra. They'll cover hardware of course.
So your options are..
1) No technical support only hardware - free
2) Tech support from Canonical - Different prices
Not really. It's more to do with the fact that once a version of Ubuntu is released you only get security updates in the repository. So for example there is no Pidgin in Ubuntu Feisty because that was released after Ubuntu Feisty was.
The reason they only provide security updates is because they don't want a situation where continuously updating stuff in the repositories breaks other programs. Instead Canonical will take a snapshot of all the new programs and work really hard testing that snapshot and sorting out all the bugs, release that out the door and start working on the next version.
So if you want Pidgin or another must have updated program on Feisty then you go to getdeb.net
Ubuntu Gutsy is being released on 18th this month (2 days) so that'll have a ton of updated programs, features, etc.
http://www.dell.com/ubuntu - I just randomly typed it in and it worked. :)
Maybe not hardware makers, but I have noticed a lot more bug reports coming into launchpad from users with Dell hardware which feels like there is a Dell baby boom happening in the Ubuntu community.
If you're on Ubuntu there are places such as http://www.getdeb.net/ where you can get popular programs that aren't in the repositories yet.
I guess what I am trying to say is it's wrong to kill anyone in any situation. That doesn't stop it from happening though.
What I am saying is that it's wrong kill anyone. If you do kill someone in self-defensive it's not ok because you have just done something wrong, that doesn't mean you didn't make the wrong decision to defend yourself ofcourse!
Killing is killing. It doesn't matter who does it.
Sure it's not "Out of the box" TM but if you just installed Ubuntu I don't understand what the problem would be following those steps that would take you 10 seconds on a broadband PC, maybe longer depending.Here you're essentially complaining that Ubuntu isn't windows. Newsflash it's a different operating system, as just demonstrated above installing software is simple so I don't understand you ease of use argument.
Feel like playing a game? Applications -> Add/Remove -> click Games -> Read the game descriptions and ratings -> tick the ones you want to play -> Apply.
Need an FTP program? Applications -> Add/Remove -> Search: FTP -> Read the program descriptions and ratings -> tick the one you want to try -> Apply.
What is so difficult apart from the fact that "it's not the way windows does things"? It's not suppose to be, it's suppose to be better and easier.That's great just like the time someone in the office had a virus on their flash drive and popped it into someone else's computer and then that person popped their own flash drive into my computer and gave me the virus, which then spread to my home computer when I put some stuff on my flash drive. Ofcourse I didn't know this because the virus file was in a folder with a weird name which hides itself when running windows. Of course mount that partition on Ubuntu and that folder pops right up.ARE YOU KIDDING!?! Read above! Most users have no clue how to install software and your idiotic suggestion to "Google" for software (wtf?) is not only difficult for unskilled users but also it's not platform dependant to windows.You can do that on Ubuntu too. It's called a deb file. You double click that and it'll install a program for you. For example I use Skype so I went to http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu and downloaded my deb file to the desktop and double clicked it.I assume you're talking about add/remove which is what I was talking about further up. If you noticed you would have realised that those "categories" are the items in your menu of where the program is going to be installed that way the user knows where to go after they installed the program!
You claim you use Ubuntu but all you have done is spent your time complaining about how Ubuntu isn't windows therefore no one will use it.
Walks into PC world.. Only windows PCs
Walks into Currys.. Only windows PCs
Walks into the office sony store.. windows again..
Walks into Tesco.. Budget PCs and Laptops.. Only windows
Walks into Sainsburys.. see above
Mirror servers download the debs and you can pick a server location from a list to get your automatic updates from. So you're most likely getting your debs from a server not even owned by canonical. For example I was in Thailand last year and picked to download my automatic updates off a Thai mirror site. Now I'm back in England I picked a UK mirror.
You're trying to make it sound like it's no greener on the other side but it just comes off as a FUD attack. You're wrong on this matter and Microsoft is in the bad for stealing Windows Users data.
Really you have to do all that? Wow.
I'm glad on both my Ubuntu PCs all I had to do was click
Applications -> Add/Remove -> Search: Nvidia -> Tick Nvidia Driver -> Apply
I think the point is either:
- They shouldn't be playing an M rated game in the church because it's 17+, or
- The ESRB sucks at rating games because Halo 3 can be played in a church even though it's rated 17+
I haven't made up my mind WTF they're talking about, although I might have helped if I RTFA