Depends how you measure success. For myself the fact that Ubuntu increasingly gets better makes it a success. I can understand you have a problem dealing with that because Windows is about world domination and the two ideologies are different.
.. but I think I'll wait for the consumer verdict to come in as to if this actually works. Theory and practice never tend to be the same, with theoretical bandwidth limits never reaching their peak.
How would the GPL deal with this? The GPL says you can not limit the use of the software from a specific group. So you wouldn't be able to say "The military can't use this software" because it limits who uses the software... is this an issue for anyone else?
It doesn't matter where the applications come from. The important thing is that they're supported by Canonical. The point of a fair comparison is that you take out anything that isn't supported and available in the operating system.
There is a large list of supported applications by Canonical which comes in the base install of Ubuntu and there is even more supported software that you can download. Vista is different in that you have to load it with Third party software unsupported by the OS manufacturer.
You can't include that unsupported third party software because we want to compare operating systems.
Oh, and a few hundred thousand commercial, freeware, and open source programs,
You can't include applications that aren't officially supported by the Operating System vendor. At no point did I say third party software. You are a lazy reader.
And how many of those 45,000 debs are actual software and not libraries and dependencies for other programs,
I already mentioned they weren't all applications... read.. It's in the text you quoted me on.
I think there are around 45,000 deb files but all of those aren't programs.
I wasn't trying to hide any facts and these are applications supported by Canonical for the operating system and available in any install you do. There is an even wider range of software that isn't supported by Canonical but is in the repo. I'm not including that because it's not supported.
When you install Vista it doesn't also install Skype, Microsoft Office 2007 and Photoshop. Microsoft also won't support those applications with security fixes. When you install Ubuntu you also get Ekiga, GIMP and Open Office. All these applications are supported by Canonical which is why I said you only get a few Basic apps with Vista after you install it.
Since we're comparing operating systems here why would we include anything not in the operating system or supported by the operating system, no?;)
Fact is, there is far more industry-standard software available for Windows,... rant rant rant
I wasn't talking about third party software. That's not an accurate comparison of operating systems.
You can't say you're comparing "Ubuntu and Vista" and then include MS Office 2007 in your comparison because MS Office doesn't come with Vista so it wouldn't be comparing Vista now would it.
You see how difficult it is to make a fair comparison?:)
Until Ubuntu or whatever distro user can do every single thing in the GUI that they can do through the CLI, Window will have an advantage.
I really don't get this. When I was growing up everyone was using command line MSDOS and before that my Mum who can't even figure out how to open Internet Explorer was (in the day) able to write a simple program to add extra 000s to a key when she was using accounting software.
Has everyone become stupid? I think not. I think this is all just a windows fanboy myth that people are scared by command line.
Case in point. Changing your IP which I tried to walk someone through and failed.
Windows. 1) Start->Control Panel->Network Settings 2) Find the correct network icon 3) right click -> properties 4) Find TCP/IP in the list-> right click properties 5) Find the correct textbox and enter the number->ok->ok->ok
or something like that..
Ubuntu. 1) Applications->Accessories->Terminal 2) type "sudo eth0 192.168.0.1" -> hit enter 3) type in your login password 4) Close that funny text window and open firefox.
Telling someone over the phone how to do this is easy in Ubuntu but in windows sometimes I fail to get the person to even navigate to the correct configuration window and because I'm not there I can't help them. Hell some of the times I completely forget how to navigate to the correct settings box because I am not in front of a windows computer.
Simple fact is, it is much easier for an expert to walk though someone in the command line then the pointy and clicky. GUI is good when the person is trying to fix the problem themselves and just randomly clicks on stuff but it's not good for tech support. What happens when a computer breaks? You get the phone call with no attempt by the user to try and fix it themselves.
So YES, lets have more GUI but let us not forget that the command line is great for walking though users to fix their system. If it wasn't why has vista got more command line features? eh?:)
If you have two competing products Pepsi and Coke, some people blasted by coke adverts are going to choose the coke. It's a fact, otherwise they wouldn't spend over $100 billion on advertising their brand.
Ubuntu is a brand. It has its nice circle logo and its motto. Why does everyone pick Ubuntu instead of Fedora, Gentoo, etc? Branding. They think they're getting a better product.
Why is it brown? Well apart from the whole "we want to be to human" thing it is about making the Ubuntu brand different from the Windows brand. Pepsi is Blue, Coke is red. Ubuntu is brown, Windows is blue.
To answer your console question do you mean Applications->Accessories->Terminal ?
You have to consider that for some people it is the opposite.
For example I have an old TV card. It's the only old thing I have in my machine because well.. why would I throw away a perfectly good TV card. It won't work for me in windows because the company have gone on to produce different TV cards and don't want to write drivers for old products.
So for me it's the opposite Ubuntu works out of the box with my Hardware where Windows does not. My girlfriend has had real problems getting her Microphone working on windows (opposite to your experience) for use with Skype.
I think it's just you were unlucky with your hardware configuration working on Ubuntu, just as how my girlfriend is unlucky with her hardware configuration working on windows.
I am also a gamer but I fail to see your issues, I have never really had the problems you have described getting windows games to work and there are lots of fun Linux games (tremulous, Battle for wesnoth, Warsow), why not try some out? If you look at the new games coming out Rage, Unreal Tournament, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars all have their own Linux binary and there are lots of commercial games on Linux too (Americas Army, RTCW: Enemy Territory, Doom 3, Quake 4). If you look at the major MMOs such as World of Warcraft and Eve Online they're playable through wine. My own experience with getting Guildwars working with wine was very positive.. I downloaded the small Guildwars.exe program and then did "wine GuildWars.exe". It just worked, no configuration problems at all. It downloaded the programs files and popped up the Guildwars login screen, just like windows.
As for your Microsoft compatibility problems well that is what you have to expect. If you want compatibility with both operating systems with your servers then I suggest slowly replacing your window's server programs with open source programs. You'll find they're more compatible on both operating systems and any staff using windows shouldn't notice any difference if you're changing their server software. Of course this all depends on it being done right. : )
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The great thing about open source is that if you do a search such as "The greeter application" in a forum you'll get a quick answer on how to resolve issues you have.
It has been exactly 6 days since Gutsy was released and it's great to see people working hard to fix your problem.
If that was a problem with Vista it would be an issue that wouldn't get fixed because it's an upgrade issue and you would most likely be forced to completely re-install your OS. That's why you should use Linux. Of course the choice is up to you.:)
By just reading the title I can tell you right now that there is no way you could compare Vista to Gutsy Gibbon. Why?
Microsoft Windows Vista is an operating system with a Desktop environment and a few extremely basic applications such as a drawing application, web browser and calculator program. Maybe a few other basic programs that I am missing.
Canonical Ubuntu - Gutsy Gibbon is an operating system with the option of two Desktop environments and over 10,000 applications. I think there are around 45,000 deb files but all of those aren't programs. These applications include a web browser, graphics 3D and sound manipulation programs, games, photo and music management, office suite (out of the box), the list could go on.
With that in mind any comparison would be useless..
Measure by security? You can't because Ubuntu has vastly more applications that could have potential holes. I saw a chart that showed Vista with less security problems but look at the information above, it's obvious that Ubuntu has (possibly) more security holes its software is 100's times bigger then Microsoft's offering.
There are other things that you could possibly compare with but you have to keep in mind the above information and you'll realise that Windows and Ubuntu are quite different even if they are both operating systems. They are both produced, run and distributed in different ways. This means there is a lot of mis-understanding about Linux and distributions in general.
In any case I hope people who dislike previous versions of Ubuntu try it out again, especially if you downloaded breezy badger or older. If you like a windows look then download a version of Kbuntu. I started using Ubuntu when Breezy came out and not much worked on my laptop, but I am currently running an older version of Ubuntu (Feisty) and my laptop works out of the box. I can't wait to try out Gutsy.
Then I propose we invent a new term! You're now called a wacker.
A wacker is someone who keeps hitting the keyboard until in genius and inventive programs come out.
Usage: - I'm a wacker - I was up all night wacking on my computer - My buddy wacked this up yesterday. - We had a big wackingfest on Monday you should have come!
Using my internet connection to download adverts without refunding me or giving me some of the money they're making from the advertising is a big deal.
The corporate world would rather hire techies who are slightly less good at their jobs but are will make a very minor concession to corporate culture.
I think you'll find that is the problem not a programmer in a suit where no one is going to look at him anyway.
I also thought that it was funny in an article about Ninjas attacking Richard Stallman you get so worked up about what's not on his feet. Way to miss the point!
In the system we trust. Forgot the hacker. This is just showing GIGO in action.
This is why we need to stop these anti-terrorist systems that have no paper work and to start questioning every step of the way.
It's times when action needs to meaninglessly be taken in a split second and no one stops to think about what they are doing when innocent people get killed.
Maybe while the UK police were waiting for the Brazilian they shot in the head 5 times, maybe if they had questioned themselves in that 5 hours of waiting.. what are we doing here? What's the real situation? But instead we got the police action squad waiting for hours doing nothing and then "OMFG WE NEED A SPLIT SECOND DECISION! SHOOT HIM! AGAIN! AGAIN! AGAIN!"
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You can modify her to do anything you want. ;)
If you're more of an RTS fan then you got The Battle for Wesnoth (in the repo), BOS Wars.
There is alot more but I am too lazy to post anymore. My point is, lets stop the myth that there are no games for Linux please.
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Depends how you measure success. For myself the fact that Ubuntu increasingly gets better makes it a success. I can understand you have a problem dealing with that because Windows is about world domination and the two ideologies are different.
Also if you check your source again you'll see that Linux is growing.
October, 2006 - 0.39%
November, 2006 - 0.37%
December, 2006 - 0.37%
January, 2007 - 0.35%
February, 2007 - 0.42%
March, 2007 - 0.57%
April, 2007 - 0.80%
May, 2007 - 0.70%
June, 2007 - 0.71%
July, 2007 - 0.75%
August, 2007 - 0.77%
September, 2007- 0.81%
Just DHL the hard drive like Google does when it has to transfer over 1TB of storage data.
.. but I think I'll wait for the consumer verdict to come in as to if this actually works. Theory and practice never tend to be the same, with theoretical bandwidth limits never reaching their peak.
:)
Hope for the best but expect nothing.
lol, I seem to be getting everything wrong today. Next time I'm going to test the commands I type.
Interesting point.
How would the GPL deal with this? The GPL says you can not limit the use of the software from a specific group. So you wouldn't be able to say "The military can't use this software" because it limits who uses the software... is this an issue for anyone else?
I typed this comment and then 15 minutes later realised I have missed out ipconfig. That line should be.
2) Type "sudo ipconfig eth0 192.168.0.1" -> hit enter.
It doesn't matter where the applications come from. The important thing is that they're supported by Canonical. The point of a fair comparison is that you take out anything that isn't supported and available in the operating system.
There is a large list of supported applications by Canonical which comes in the base install of Ubuntu and there is even more supported software that you can download. Vista is different in that you have to load it with Third party software unsupported by the OS manufacturer.
You can't include that unsupported third party software because we want to compare operating systems.
I already mentioned they weren't all applications... read.. It's in the text you quoted me on.I wasn't trying to hide any facts and these are applications supported by Canonical for the operating system and available in any install you do. There is an even wider range of software that isn't supported by Canonical but is in the repo. I'm not including that because it's not supported.
When you install Vista it doesn't also install Skype, Microsoft Office 2007 and Photoshop. Microsoft also won't support those applications with security fixes. When you install Ubuntu you also get Ekiga, GIMP and Open Office. All these applications are supported by Canonical which is why I said you only get a few Basic apps with Vista after you install it.
Since we're comparing operating systems here why would we include anything not in the operating system or supported by the operating system, no?
You can't say you're comparing "Ubuntu and Vista" and then include MS Office 2007 in your comparison because MS Office doesn't come with Vista so it wouldn't be comparing Vista now would it.
You see how difficult it is to make a fair comparison?
Has everyone become stupid? I think not. I think this is all just a windows fanboy myth that people are scared by command line.
Case in point. Changing your IP which I tried to walk someone through and failed.
Windows.
1) Start->Control Panel->Network Settings
2) Find the correct network icon
3) right click -> properties
4) Find TCP/IP in the list-> right click properties
5) Find the correct textbox and enter the number->ok->ok->ok
or something like that..
Ubuntu.
1) Applications->Accessories->Terminal
2) type "sudo eth0 192.168.0.1" -> hit enter
3) type in your login password
4) Close that funny text window and open firefox.
Telling someone over the phone how to do this is easy in Ubuntu but in windows sometimes I fail to get the person to even navigate to the correct configuration window and because I'm not there I can't help them. Hell some of the times I completely forget how to navigate to the correct settings box because I am not in front of a windows computer.
Simple fact is, it is much easier for an expert to walk though someone in the command line then the pointy and clicky. GUI is good when the person is trying to fix the problem themselves and just randomly clicks on stuff but it's not good for tech support. What happens when a computer breaks? You get the phone call with no attempt by the user to try and fix it themselves.
So YES, lets have more GUI but let us not forget that the command line is great for walking though users to fix their system. If it wasn't why has vista got more command line features? eh?
It's all about marketing and brand building.
If you have two competing products Pepsi and Coke, some people blasted by coke adverts are going to choose the coke. It's a fact, otherwise they wouldn't spend over $100 billion on advertising their brand.
Ubuntu is a brand. It has its nice circle logo and its motto. Why does everyone pick Ubuntu instead of Fedora, Gentoo, etc? Branding. They think they're getting a better product.
Why is it brown? Well apart from the whole "we want to be to human" thing it is about making the Ubuntu brand different from the Windows brand. Pepsi is Blue, Coke is red. Ubuntu is brown, Windows is blue.
To answer your console question do you mean Applications->Accessories->Terminal ?
You have to consider that for some people it is the opposite.
For example I have an old TV card. It's the only old thing I have in my machine because well.. why would I throw away a perfectly good TV card. It won't work for me in windows because the company have gone on to produce different TV cards and don't want to write drivers for old products.
So for me it's the opposite Ubuntu works out of the box with my Hardware where Windows does not. My girlfriend has had real problems getting her Microphone working on windows (opposite to your experience) for use with Skype.
I think it's just you were unlucky with your hardware configuration working on Ubuntu, just as how my girlfriend is unlucky with her hardware configuration working on windows.
I am also a gamer but I fail to see your issues, I have never really had the problems you have described getting windows games to work and there are lots of fun Linux games (tremulous, Battle for wesnoth, Warsow), why not try some out? If you look at the new games coming out Rage, Unreal Tournament, Enemy Territory: Quake Wars all have their own Linux binary and there are lots of commercial games on Linux too (Americas Army, RTCW: Enemy Territory, Doom 3, Quake 4). If you look at the major MMOs such as World of Warcraft and Eve Online they're playable through wine. My own experience with getting Guildwars working with wine was very positive.. I downloaded the small Guildwars.exe program and then did "wine GuildWars.exe". It just worked, no configuration problems at all. It downloaded the programs files and popped up the Guildwars login screen, just like windows.
As for your Microsoft compatibility problems well that is what you have to expect. If you want compatibility with both operating systems with your servers then I suggest slowly replacing your window's server programs with open source programs. You'll find they're more compatible on both operating systems and any staff using windows shouldn't notice any difference if you're changing their server software. Of course this all depends on it being done right. : )
The great thing about open source is that if you do a search such as "The greeter application" in a forum you'll get a quick answer on how to resolve issues you have.
:)
Here are a few links I found for your problem.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=585899 - This guy suggests re-configuring X server.. since no one responded I assumed it worked
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/48936 - There is a bug report about this here and lots of suggestions on how to fix it.
It has been exactly 6 days since Gutsy was released and it's great to see people working hard to fix your problem.
If that was a problem with Vista it would be an issue that wouldn't get fixed because it's an upgrade issue and you would most likely be forced to completely re-install your OS. That's why you should use Linux. Of course the choice is up to you.
By just reading the title I can tell you right now that there is no way you could compare Vista to Gutsy Gibbon. Why?
Microsoft Windows Vista is an operating system with a Desktop environment and a few extremely basic applications such as a drawing application, web browser and calculator program. Maybe a few other basic programs that I am missing.
Canonical Ubuntu - Gutsy Gibbon is an operating system with the option of two Desktop environments and over 10,000 applications. I think there are around 45,000 deb files but all of those aren't programs. These applications include a web browser, graphics 3D and sound manipulation programs, games, photo and music management, office suite (out of the box), the list could go on.
With that in mind any comparison would be useless..
Measure by security? You can't because Ubuntu has vastly more applications that could have potential holes. I saw a chart that showed Vista with less security problems but look at the information above, it's obvious that Ubuntu has (possibly) more security holes its software is 100's times bigger then Microsoft's offering.
There are other things that you could possibly compare with but you have to keep in mind the above information and you'll realise that Windows and Ubuntu are quite different even if they are both operating systems. They are both produced, run and distributed in different ways. This means there is a lot of mis-understanding about Linux and distributions in general.
In any case I hope people who dislike previous versions of Ubuntu try it out again, especially if you downloaded breezy badger or older. If you like a windows look then download a version of Kbuntu. I started using Ubuntu when Breezy came out and not much worked on my laptop, but I am currently running an older version of Ubuntu (Feisty) and my laptop works out of the box. I can't wait to try out Gutsy.
If you love using software give it ago. ^_^
Then I propose we invent a new term! You're now called a wacker.
A wacker is someone who keeps hitting the keyboard until in genius and inventive programs come out.
Usage:
- I'm a wacker
- I was up all night wacking on my computer
- My buddy wacked this up yesterday.
- We had a big wackingfest on Monday you should have come!
Using my internet connection to download adverts without refunding me or giving me some of the money they're making from the advertising is a big deal.
I also thought that it was funny in an article about Ninjas attacking Richard Stallman you get so worked up about what's not on his feet. Way to miss the point!
Looking at the pictures Richard looks like he doesn't get it at all. He's trying his best with the confused smile.
It would be funnier if they already held a similar patent with slightly different wording.
I'm sure it was all just one big private joke down at the IBM patent dept.. you know.. "well, we've patented everything else.."
You can't come out with a comment like that and not give me more reading material to indulge in!
Isn't Google hosting this content? Can't I find the content by searching Google? Why aren't Google in jail?
oh right! Because if it's an individual you're responsible for your actions but if you're part of an organisation you were just following orders.
In the system we trust. Forgot the hacker. This is just showing GIGO in action.
This is why we need to stop these anti-terrorist systems that have no paper work and to start questioning every step of the way.
It's times when action needs to meaninglessly be taken in a split second and no one stops to think about what they are doing when innocent people get killed.
Maybe while the UK police were waiting for the Brazilian they shot in the head 5 times, maybe if they had questioned themselves in that 5 hours of waiting.. what are we doing here? What's the real situation? But instead we got the police action squad waiting for hours doing nothing and then "OMFG WE NEED A SPLIT SECOND DECISION! SHOOT HIM! AGAIN! AGAIN! AGAIN!"