they wouldn't be going after someone because they are GLBT, but if the best person for the job IS glbt and either refuses to move to Cali, or requires a far higher package, then they may have to go wit the second or third best person for the job.
end result, either they end up with a sub-par workforce, of they end up paying significantly more for the workforce they want because of this law... either way, costs them money.
Im going to guess you were not a same sex couple at a religious hospital? (and before someone replies with "then why did you go to a religious hospital?!", sometimes people have an accident and need to go to the emergency room... you generally go to the closest one, even if they think you are dirty sinners who will go right to the guts of hell). Same sex couples have and ARE being denied visitation rights to partners because they are not married.
and you may want to check your federal and state based inheritance laws to see just how often the word "marriage" and "spouse" come up. I will give you a hint, it's a LOT! Know what happens to your social security when you are not married when you die? it goes poof... if you are married it goes to your spouse. If you are "married" you are taxed FAR less on any estate that goes to your spouse... but your "good friend" will see about half of it go to the city/state/feds.
there are also little things like "not everyone has a will". If you are married and dont have one, your spouse is made your next of kin... no marriage and ho knows who will get it by default.
tell google to let me telecommute every day from another state then?
or just tell google that I'm going to do the same job for their competitor elsewhere?
not all jobs can be just picked up and moved to another state. Hardware support, you can't be hired on as a tech for their Cali based servers and live in Canada can you?
can google provide their GLBT employees with state and federal marriage level tax breaks? how about visitation rights in the hospital? or inheritance rights?
cause I know a few companies over here where GLBT folks can get those...
it hurts their ability to hire because they need to offer more benefits/salary then companies not in Cali... assuming they can even attract the GLBT talent they are looking for at any price. I know many Canadian GLBT folk who would never move anywhere in the states now, regardless of wage, simply because there is now precedent for a state revoking marriages and removing benefits... even if they were to go to a state where it is currently legal, that may not last.
who's blaming google? But damned if I'm going to live somewhere where my marriage may or may not be legal. Any company from that state would have to work a LOT harder then those in states/countries where I don't need to worry about stuff like that.
and that is their point. To attract GLBT employees to their Cali locations they need to offer FAR more then other companies do.
simple, where would you rather work? Company A where your marriage is legal, you get benefits and tax breaks for that... or Company B where you and your husband/wife are legally "just good friends".
the term you are thinking of is 'internalized homophobia', and it too is incorrect in this case. Internalized homophobia would be if you felt bad about your attraction BECAUSE it was same-sex, male to female attraction, regardless of the bits involved, is heterosexual by its very nature and would therefor not fall under homophobia, internalized or otherwise.
being uncomfortable/hostile/bad reaction of your choice about someone being a different gender or sex then you expected would be transphobia.
the more you know (insert shooting_star.gif here)
but I would dispute the "perfectly acceptable" part of your point too... many people commit suicide every year because they are unable to accept their sexuality, many more are assaulted, raped or murdered by others who lash out because of their internalized homophobia. Call me a leftist nutter, but anything that gets thousands of people killed yearly is not something I would tag as "perfectly acceptable".
I totally agree with you on the deal breaker, when my husband and I go looking for a house (or more likely a place to have one built for us), a HOA will instantly make us look elsewhere.
how is this better then ISPs?
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now, maybe as a renter my view of Home Owners Associations (HOA) and condos are a little flawed... but condering there have been cases where HOAs have stopped people from putting up solar panals, fences, planting trees, even a back yard clothes line... what is to stop them from likewise restricting and controlling broadband?
sorry, your torrenting is degrading the value of our community internet, we are going to have to block that.
instead of a half dozen telcos to deal with for net neutrality, you will have thousands on thousands of HOAs
I have to agree but for another reason... my highschool had the same "computer in every class" stupidity... all they ever did was collect dust. thirty five students, one pc... what exactly was it to be used for? You cant plan an assignment around it, you can't show any content to that many students on a 15" screen... and to make things even more silly, the room was locked after classes so the only time you could theoretically use it was in class time, when the teacher was doing something else...
then it should be worded as such... there is quite a difference between "a 23 year old" and "someone fresh out of school".... one is agist, the other relates to how much work experience they have. Someone who is 40 and just changed jobs has less experience then a 26 year old who has been in the workforce for several years already.
ah ok, we are saying the same thing different ways:)
I very much agree that gender is a built in function... anyone with experience with the transgender community will agree with you there. No matter how you dress it up, your gender is something that is deeply ingrained and can't be changed by others, no matter how much they want it to.
I've talked to many people who, both transgender and cisgender, have had others try and "beat the male/female out of them", had parents kick them out of home, been sexually assaulted at school, and countless other horrific things because others felt they were not being truthful... when in fact they were being more true to themselves then anyone realized. The sad part is how many of them had to hide parts of themselves based on the actions of others.
he was throwing, smashing, running, knocking-over, overturning, mutilating, shooting, and disemboweling as a baby?
active kid.
My post was not in relation to how the child acts, but how people act towards the child. Claiming to raise a child in a gender-free environment simply doesn't fly... one may not even recognize the differences in gendered play, but studies have proven that we do interact with people (babies included) differently based on their perceived gender. Even if the parents did somehow manage to gender-free their household... it would involve disconnecting the TV, internet, radio, burning the books, magazines, pictures... then their child would still be exposed to gender roles nearly as soon as they step out the door.
who can remember in early grade-school being told "Boys line up on this side of the room, girls on that side"? I doubt there are many guys here who have not heard "Sissy" as an insult, implying that a male acting in a female way is somehow bad. It is the same basis for why "fag", "gay" and "dyke" are still insults, it implies that variation from gender norms is a bad thing.
While the parents may be accepting of their little boy figureskating, or their girl fixing cars... the schoolyard is not that forgiving. There is no such thing as a gender-free childhood.
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exactly, why stop at 2? custom? religion? I would love to see people realize that love doesn't get weaker when shared, it gets stronger.
cause the US is the only country in the world with tech jobs?
they wouldn't be going after someone because they are GLBT, but if the best person for the job IS glbt and either refuses to move to Cali, or requires a far higher package, then they may have to go wit the second or third best person for the job.
end result, either they end up with a sub-par workforce, of they end up paying significantly more for the workforce they want because of this law... either way, costs them money.
several countries and a handful of states. Follow the link to google above and do a search.
Im going to guess you were not a same sex couple at a religious hospital? (and before someone replies with "then why did you go to a religious hospital?!", sometimes people have an accident and need to go to the emergency room... you generally go to the closest one, even if they think you are dirty sinners who will go right to the guts of hell). Same sex couples have and ARE being denied visitation rights to partners because they are not married.
and you may want to check your federal and state based inheritance laws to see just how often the word "marriage" and "spouse" come up. I will give you a hint, it's a LOT! Know what happens to your social security when you are not married when you die? it goes poof... if you are married it goes to your spouse. If you are "married" you are taxed FAR less on any estate that goes to your spouse... but your "good friend" will see about half of it go to the city/state/feds.
there are also little things like "not everyone has a will". If you are married and dont have one, your spouse is made your next of kin... no marriage and ho knows who will get it by default.
tell google to move the job I was hired for then?
tell google to let me telecommute every day from another state then?
or just tell google that I'm going to do the same job for their competitor elsewhere?
not all jobs can be just picked up and moved to another state. Hardware support, you can't be hired on as a tech for their Cali based servers and live in Canada can you?
can google provide their GLBT employees with state and federal marriage level tax breaks? how about visitation rights in the hospital? or inheritance rights?
cause I know a few companies over here where GLBT folks can get those...
ya, I hear that there are no tech jobs in Canada eh?
it is amazing the lengths people will go to to get a job somewhere that respects their basic human rights...
it hurts their ability to hire because they need to offer more benefits/salary then companies not in Cali... assuming they can even attract the GLBT talent they are looking for at any price. I know many Canadian GLBT folk who would never move anywhere in the states now, regardless of wage, simply because there is now precedent for a state revoking marriages and removing benefits... even if they were to go to a state where it is currently legal, that may not last.
who's blaming google? But damned if I'm going to live somewhere where my marriage may or may not be legal. Any company from that state would have to work a LOT harder then those in states/countries where I don't need to worry about stuff like that.
and that is their point. To attract GLBT employees to their Cali locations they need to offer FAR more then other companies do.
simple, where would you rather work? Company A where your marriage is legal, you get benefits and tax breaks for that... or Company B where you and your husband/wife are legally "just good friends".
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good point.
still say that internalized homophobia is a bad thing thing tho.
the term you are thinking of is 'internalized homophobia', and it too is incorrect in this case. Internalized homophobia would be if you felt bad about your attraction BECAUSE it was same-sex, male to female attraction, regardless of the bits involved, is heterosexual by its very nature and would therefor not fall under homophobia, internalized or otherwise.
being uncomfortable/hostile/bad reaction of your choice about someone being a different gender or sex then you expected would be transphobia.
the more you know (insert shooting_star.gif here)
but I would dispute the "perfectly acceptable" part of your point too... many people commit suicide every year because they are unable to accept their sexuality, many more are assaulted, raped or murdered by others who lash out because of their internalized homophobia. Call me a leftist nutter, but anything that gets thousands of people killed yearly is not something I would tag as "perfectly acceptable".
and add in "how many parents monitor each and every single thing said to or by their teenagers?"
alas, head up the pooper is the standard posture of most IT/IP/MPAA/RIAA lawyers....
if you sign up under a pseudonym... don't kill anyone.
(and before everyone screams at me, yes I understand just how badly this precedent can be used)
I totally agree with you on the deal breaker, when my husband and I go looking for a house (or more likely a place to have one built for us), a HOA will instantly make us look elsewhere.
now, maybe as a renter my view of Home Owners Associations (HOA) and condos are a little flawed... but condering there have been cases where HOAs have stopped people from putting up solar panals, fences, planting trees, even a back yard clothes line... what is to stop them from likewise restricting and controlling broadband?
sorry, your torrenting is degrading the value of our community internet, we are going to have to block that.
instead of a half dozen telcos to deal with for net neutrality, you will have thousands on thousands of HOAs
or morals... course that is a given in politics...
I have to agree but for another reason... my highschool had the same "computer in every class" stupidity... all they ever did was collect dust. thirty five students, one pc... what exactly was it to be used for? You cant plan an assignment around it, you can't show any content to that many students on a 15" screen... and to make things even more silly, the room was locked after classes so the only time you could theoretically use it was in class time, when the teacher was doing something else...
totally agree, IANAL, but I really dont see the "hacker" connection here... manslaughter yes, hacking no.
then it should be worded as such... there is quite a difference between "a 23 year old" and "someone fresh out of school".... one is agist, the other relates to how much work experience they have. Someone who is 40 and just changed jobs has less experience then a 26 year old who has been in the workforce for several years already.
ah ok, we are saying the same thing different ways :)
I very much agree that gender is a built in function... anyone with experience with the transgender community will agree with you there. No matter how you dress it up, your gender is something that is deeply ingrained and can't be changed by others, no matter how much they want it to.
I've talked to many people who, both transgender and cisgender, have had others try and "beat the male/female out of them", had parents kick them out of home, been sexually assaulted at school, and countless other horrific things because others felt they were not being truthful... when in fact they were being more true to themselves then anyone realized. The sad part is how many of them had to hide parts of themselves based on the actions of others.
he was throwing, smashing, running, knocking-over, overturning, mutilating, shooting, and disemboweling as a baby?
active kid.
My post was not in relation to how the child acts, but how people act towards the child. Claiming to raise a child in a gender-free environment simply doesn't fly... one may not even recognize the differences in gendered play, but studies have proven that we do interact with people (babies included) differently based on their perceived gender. Even if the parents did somehow manage to gender-free their household... it would involve disconnecting the TV, internet, radio, burning the books, magazines, pictures... then their child would still be exposed to gender roles nearly as soon as they step out the door.
who can remember in early grade-school being told "Boys line up on this side of the room, girls on that side"? I doubt there are many guys here who have not heard "Sissy" as an insult, implying that a male acting in a female way is somehow bad. It is the same basis for why "fag", "gay" and "dyke" are still insults, it implies that variation from gender norms is a bad thing.
While the parents may be accepting of their little boy figureskating, or their girl fixing cars... the schoolyard is not that forgiving. There is no such thing as a gender-free childhood.