I never said we did, I said we are no worse off for not having it, hell I say we are BETTER off not having it. I'm am glad I live in a land where X religious nut-bar can't go on TV and call to his/her followers to go out and murder Y group in Z god's name. "I don't like Y's" or even "I really hate those damn Y's!" is not hate speach, it never has been. It crosses the line when you encourage others to harm, anything short of "I want all you to go out and beat the tar out of a Y today!" is totally allowed, and I'm more than a little disturbed by people who demand the right to tell others to go out and kill in their name and call it a "freedom".
Oh, and fyi: neither do you. Try saying "I have a bomb" at an airport, or "I want to kill the pres" anywhere in DC. I vaguely remember someone saying "Freedom of Speach does not give you the right to yell 'FIRE' in a crowded movie hall".
we also dont have the right to own every gun on the planet, invade any country that looks at us cross-eyed, or die in hospital because we were uable to raise the $100,000 needed to pay the grossly inflated medical costs.... and yet, dispite all that, we still have a vastly higher quality of life.
You never hear about the general lack of females in certain areas such as construction, plumbing or electrical services. You certainly don't hear about the lack of males in certain other industries, such as Nursing and Teaching.
Actually, you do... just not on a website that is focused exclusively on tech news... like oh, say, this one. Go to sites focused on construction or medicine and yes, you will see those topics.
As for teaching, I'm sure you are well aware of the genders of your superiors? Male teachers are rare because of two factors: 1) lack of males going into the field (which you addressed), and 2) male teachers are promoted out of teaching and into administration far faster than female teachers. Though males make up a smaller fraction of people going into the field, they make up the vast majority of people in the upper levels of administration.
how many of them had a choice? I took a job once, and it ment a $15k pay cut, because I was $50,000 in dept and it was the first offer I had got in nearly a year. I didn't dare ask for more money, I couldn't take the risk. Had I had another offer or two in my pocket I could have afforded to be choosy... but every interview I had been to previously, well, you could see their eyes glaze over when they saw that I was young and had a wedding ring (I honestly was about to start leaving it at home, just to have a better chance at getting any offer). Young and married = kids, and no employer wants that. It was getting to the point where I was just going to flat out tell every interviewer that I was never going to have kids (the truth) just so they would consider me.
the quest isnt for sympathy, it is for equality. Equal pay for equal work, equal respect for equal work, we get neither. When I give a talk on Sharepoint development and have people address their questions to me, rather than my co-worker who is sitting down at the back of the room and hasn't said a thing all day, then you may have a point.
oh, and when I get paid the same amount as he does... that too.
oh, and when the pron stops, and the tit jokes, and I stop being asked if I'm the "office assistant" or the "booth babe", and when there are more then 10% female middle to upper management, and our contributions to computer science history stops being glossed over and attributed to male colleagues who had little to nothing to do with the actual project.... Then you will have a point.
more like "suspended without overtime"... OT pay can make upwards of 1/3rd of their pay (my father was an accident reconstructionist, in the winter well over half his pay would be OT from all the accidents due to bad weather).
I totally agree that they should fire their asses, but it is not as light as "free vacation time".
again, look to the man in the funny hat... Was there any medium or high ranking christian leader who denounced these types of murders? The Ugandan Deathcamps were financed and set up by American mega-church leaders... the people who preach to many tens of thousands... these are not the outlayers, they are the basis of the bible belt.
Every year, thousands of GLBTpeople are killed by "good christians", the stats don't lie. No matter how much you wish they would show the killers to be these whacky nut-bars, the vast majority are your every day, go to church on sunday, get drunk on friday christians.
Even the pope has called GLBT folk the single greatest threat to the very future of the human race. Guys with guns who shoot up convoys and reporters... nope, guys who drive planes into buildings? nope... famine? disease? war? not even CLOSE! It's Bob and Steve down the street who go to work and pay all their bills on time and go to the PTA meetings that will kill us all.
look to the wondrous receptions GLBT (especially T) folks get in most churches and try again. I seem to remember some dude in a white hat saying that we are a greater threat to the future of humanity than global warming and terrorisim.
RBTFL: If you can't take your computer home, how will you do the homework that requries it? What do you do when there are 50 students who need a loaner and the shcool only has 5? Or what do you do when someone deletes the project you have been working on for the last week because they needed room on the loaner for their pr0n and spyware?
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I never said we did, I said we are no worse off for not having it, hell I say we are BETTER off not having it. I'm am glad I live in a land where X religious nut-bar can't go on TV and call to his/her followers to go out and murder Y group in Z god's name. "I don't like Y's" or even "I really hate those damn Y's!" is not hate speach, it never has been. It crosses the line when you encourage others to harm, anything short of "I want all you to go out and beat the tar out of a Y today!" is totally allowed, and I'm more than a little disturbed by people who demand the right to tell others to go out and kill in their name and call it a "freedom".
Oh, and fyi: neither do you. Try saying "I have a bomb" at an airport, or "I want to kill the pres" anywhere in DC. I vaguely remember someone saying "Freedom of Speach does not give you the right to yell 'FIRE' in a crowded movie hall".
we also dont have the right to own every gun on the planet, invade any country that looks at us cross-eyed, or die in hospital because we were uable to raise the $100,000 needed to pay the grossly inflated medical costs.... and yet, dispite all that, we still have a vastly higher quality of life.
funny that.
Canada has had hate-speach laws for decades, last I checked our civilzation has yet to end.
You never hear about the general lack of females in certain areas such as construction, plumbing or electrical services.
You certainly don't hear about the lack of males in certain other industries, such as Nursing and Teaching.
Actually, you do... just not on a website that is focused exclusively on tech news... like oh, say, this one. Go to sites focused on construction or medicine and yes, you will see those topics.
As for teaching, I'm sure you are well aware of the genders of your superiors? Male teachers are rare because of two factors: 1) lack of males going into the field (which you addressed), and 2) male teachers are promoted out of teaching and into administration far faster than female teachers. Though males make up a smaller fraction of people going into the field, they make up the vast majority of people in the upper levels of administration.
the study took into account equal experiance levels.
about a $15k reduction in pay.
how many of them had a choice? I took a job once, and it ment a $15k pay cut, because I was $50,000 in dept and it was the first offer I had got in nearly a year. I didn't dare ask for more money, I couldn't take the risk. Had I had another offer or two in my pocket I could have afforded to be choosy... but every interview I had been to previously, well, you could see their eyes glaze over when they saw that I was young and had a wedding ring (I honestly was about to start leaving it at home, just to have a better chance at getting any offer). Young and married = kids, and no employer wants that. It was getting to the point where I was just going to flat out tell every interviewer that I was never going to have kids (the truth) just so they would consider me.
maybe they ask HR departments? or use income tax data? or credit reports? there are many ways to get unbiased data rather then just asking the person.
the quest isnt for sympathy, it is for equality. Equal pay for equal work, equal respect for equal work, we get neither. When I give a talk on Sharepoint development and have people address their questions to me, rather than my co-worker who is sitting down at the back of the room and hasn't said a thing all day, then you may have a point.
oh, and when I get paid the same amount as he does... that too.
oh, and when the pron stops, and the tit jokes, and I stop being asked if I'm the "office assistant" or the "booth babe", and when there are more then 10% female middle to upper management, and our contributions to computer science history stops being glossed over and attributed to male colleagues who had little to nothing to do with the actual project.... Then you will have a point.
I so wish I hadn't already commented in this post or I would so mod you up.
why not? gods know you get enough for chosing to parent?
dont you need to include an address?
more like "suspended without overtime"... OT pay can make upwards of 1/3rd of their pay (my father was an accident reconstructionist, in the winter well over half his pay would be OT from all the accidents due to bad weather).
I totally agree that they should fire their asses, but it is not as light as "free vacation time".
Here in Canada that translates to a rusty fork, vinegar and baking soda, and not saying 'please'.
again, look to the man in the funny hat... Was there any medium or high ranking christian leader who denounced these types of murders? The Ugandan Deathcamps were financed and set up by American mega-church leaders... the people who preach to many tens of thousands... these are not the outlayers, they are the basis of the bible belt.
Every year, thousands of GLBTpeople are killed by "good christians", the stats don't lie. No matter how much you wish they would show the killers to be these whacky nut-bars, the vast majority are your every day, go to church on sunday, get drunk on friday christians.
Even the pope has called GLBT folk the single greatest threat to the very future of the human race. Guys with guns who shoot up convoys and reporters... nope, guys who drive planes into buildings? nope... famine? disease? war? not even CLOSE! It's Bob and Steve down the street who go to work and pay all their bills on time and go to the PTA meetings that will kill us all.
there is the difference between "unwelcome" and Matthew Shepard, Brandon Teena, Ugandan death sentences... need me to go on?
Twilight's Hammer is a cult (and a major player in the next expantion)
look to the wondrous receptions GLBT (especially T) folks get in most churches and try again. I seem to remember some dude in a white hat saying that we are a greater threat to the future of humanity than global warming and terrorisim.
Bubba Bush evolves into Religious Nut-bar and attacks the Constitution, it's super effective!
have you SEEN the christian millitant camps in the US? Killing for Jesus is not as dead and gone as you would like to think...
why else? catching terrorists... got to catch em all!
Is it even possible to recreate some of the mind altering effects without creating addiction or having a negative effect on the mind though?
Tantra will do it... not only is it not bad for you, the cardio can do you a world of good.
Get your car off my house!
RBTFL: If you can't take your computer home, how will you do the homework that requries it? What do you do when there are 50 students who need a loaner and the shcool only has 5? Or what do you do when someone deletes the project you have been working on for the last week because they needed room on the loaner for their pr0n and spyware?