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Tattoos For the Math and Science Geek?

An anonymous reader writes "I've been thinking of getting a sleeve of math and science tattoos for quite a while now. With the money saved up, the only question remaining is, what equations/ideas should I get? I know for certain that I'm going to include some of Maxwell's equations, and definitely Ohm's Law. So, if you were going to put a tribute to the great math and science minds on your body forever, which ones would you choose?"

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  1. Not me but... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Someone I know recently got a lambda tattooed on his finger. Now he can bind people into expressions just by raising his middle digit.

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    1. Re:Not me but... by MrFenty · · Score: 1
      Hang on, someone I know just got a lambda for his birthday - are we talking about The Gimbo ?!

      Fenty.

    2. Re:Not me but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would get eight is equal or greater to zero.

    3. Re:Not me but... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Gimbo indeed, for it is him.

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    4. Re:Not me but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      (__) + 8=====D = (_O_)

    5. Re:Not me but... by twistedsymphony · · Score: 1

      I have a tattoo of of the glider formation from John Conway's game of Life on my back. Not just a grid with dots but cubes in an isometric view. It's geeky but more interesting than something as simple as a written equation, or something as overt as a video game character or logo.

    6. Re:Not me but... by donrich39 · · Score: 1

      Grudnuk demand sustenance!

    7. Re:Not me but... by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      He should Lisp the instructions, just to be sure. Its the only way to be sure.

    8. Re:Not me but... by blue_teeth · · Score: 3, Funny

      Girl in a tattoo shop: I want a small animal tattooed on my thigh. How much?

      Tattoo Guy: Rabbit, Tiger or Dog - $10 each. Giraffe is free!!

    9. Re:Not me but... by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      I know someone who got some binary tattoos.

      His kids names, for example, in ASCII binary around his upper arm.

      could do creative things with ASCII binary, making shapes and words and it would be your little secret that nobody else knows. :-)

    10. Re:Not me but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the dirty programming finger? i like the concept

    11. Re:Not me but... by glavenoid · · Score: 1

      Or Morse code, or Braille, made to look like moles on the skin.

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    12. Re:Not me but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That would be me.

      http://twitpic.com/1um42n

      My PhD supervisor suggested that if I'd asked for a beta on the finger next to it at the same time, I could have asked for a reduction. :-)

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    13. Re:Not me but... by TyrainDreams · · Score: 0

      I have the standard glider in UV reactive ink on my wrists. So much win that i'm not the only geek with something from Conway's game of life. Mine tie into sleeves i'm getting all in uv ink. one side will be all vines and plants and the other side with be gears and clockwork sort of like my arm is some sort of automata... a contrast thing... has to do with me etc etc...

      I feel like a lot of these responses are from the old school crowd... no one just gets random stupid tattoos anymore except random stupid people. If you will end up working somewhere that requires you to not have a bunch of tattoos showing you get them where they wont show in a work environment such as the upper arm or back or you get creative and do your tattoos in uv ink which shows up under only certain lights. Besides in this day and age I doubt anyone is going to assume that you and I are going to start the alife gang and go around on our unusually blocky motorcycles adding molecules to people so that it radically changes the way they move...

      http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs192.snc1/6456_1132900574613_1590253935_336368_1793626_n.jpg

  2. Before you do it by mangu · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Think twice. Do you *really* think this will be so important to you forever?

    1. Re:Before you do it by TheKidWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even worse, what if we find out the laws are wrong?

    2. Re:Before you do it by mabersold · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Indeed. Remember, tastes change, but tattoos are permanent. Think that over a few times before getting one.

    3. Re:Before you do it by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      do you *really* think that the laws of physics will ever be less important? :)
      Personally, I don't have a tattoo and I never really thought of getting one. But if someones' gonna do it, I think math and physics are perfect.

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    4. Re:Before you do it by karnal · · Score: 1

      This is precisely why I don't have a tattoo. Of course, I did just buy a motorcycle, so maybe I'll have one soon enough.....

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    5. Re:Before you do it by TheCarp · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if he saved up the money for a whole sleeve either a) he is paid ridiculously (or rather well with exceptionally few expenses) or b) he has thought about it for at least a few weeks.

      I mean, if he was going for a big cock on his forhead, maybe $60 or so, then I would agree but... a person saving up for a whole sleeve has at least found out how much that costs and been saving up. I guess I am assuming that its a decent artist and going to be a bit more flourish than just written equations in a standard font (I would guess just having some guy scroll a whole bunch of equations on your arm would be pretty cheap overall if you agreed not to tell anyone who did it)

      I have a small tatoo that I want to get, I don't need to save up cash for it, but, I have been thinking about it on and off for about 3 years, and havn't found an artist or posted on slashdot for advice... I imagine this one has been stewing a while.

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    6. Re:Before you do it by zwei2stein · · Score: 0, Troll

      Well, compared to loved-ones name, tramp mark, tribal nonsense and game character tatoos, this is kind of sane and possibly everlasting.

      Still tasteless, mark of sub-average intellect and generally lame, but it is the one least likely to be source of regret.

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    7. Re:Before you do it by digitalsushi · · Score: 2
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    8. Re:Before you do it by captnbmoore · · Score: 1

      If you get it done in the Phillipines then it will probably be correct if they laws do change.

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    9. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That depends if you got something like a zx250.

    10. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      A tattoo is so long-lasting as to be next to permanent. It will still be visible 40 years from now. If you're talking laser removal, that's more expensive than getting the tattoo in the first place, can hurt like fuck, and often still leaves it obvious that something was once there when it's as large as a sleeve so you can just compare it to the other arm.

    11. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yeah, just think, all of these seemed like good ideas at one point too.

      Get one of guanine & cytosine.

    12. Re:Before you do it by drewhk · · Score: 3, Funny

      That's why you never should tattoo physics laws, just mathematical theorems -- they change rarely.

    13. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      according to the server, yes. A internal one:

      Internal Server Error

      The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and was unable to complete your request.

      Not quite sure if you meant to post the magic server-eightbal-500 question but there's your answer! The server gods have spoken.

    14. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually in regards to this line of thought, I think this is utterly wrong. What we REALLY need to be doing is getting patented/copyrighted information whose mediums will mostly likely be lost before copyright expires tattooed onto the bodys of every willing man and woman. Then assuming most of them survive for another 60-90 years, cultivate the skins in order to provide a book of potentially lost knowledge for our descendants. Consider how many mummies and other corpses have been found with intact and decipherable tattoos and imagine if we did that will all the world's potentially lost knowledge :)

    15. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OMG! FcKn GeEkS!

    16. Re:Before you do it by Nerdfest · · Score: 5, Funny

      if he was going for a big cock on his forhead, maybe $60

      Crap. I got completely ripped off on mine.

    17. Re:Before you do it by bensode · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hotlink didnt work ... try this link instead:

      http://www.funatiq.com/simply-funny/crazy-math-tattoo/

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    18. Re:Before you do it by wall0159 · · Score: 1

      Not forever, just three-score-and-ten

    19. Re:Before you do it by moose_hp · · Score: 1
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    20. Re:Before you do it by Another,+completely · · Score: 4, Funny

      do you *really* think that the laws of physics will ever be less important?

      Right, but which of those rules won't change. F=ma? Good approximation for large, slow things, but not actually true since we found out about the speed of light. What happens when we explain dark matter and dark energy? Physics is all subject to change, since it tries to approximate a set of rules that we aren't really sure about. Mathematics is constant because it writes its own rules.

      The perfect tattoo: in a single 72-point font, the last digit of Pi.

      Backup plan: your five top choices for laws of physics that we all know to be true today, but that we will know to be false before you die. Then you can cross them out as they are disproven.

    21. Re:Before you do it by hoggoth · · Score: 3, Funny

      I just bought a bottle of wine from a cashier with a very large interesting tattoo running the entire length of his arm. It had Chinese lettering over an interesting background of the Sun, Moon, and other elements.
      I asked him what it said and he looked very sad and replied 'It says don't get a tattoo when you're drunk'.

      I didn't have the heart to press him for the real translation because he looked like it was too embarrassing.

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    22. Re:Before you do it by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 3, Funny

      The perfect tattoo: in a single 72-point font, the last digit of Pi.

      The last 2 digits are 42.

    23. Re:Before you do it by nedgofast · · Score: 3, Insightful

      FICKS LAW OF DIFFUSION. That is what is going to happen to your tattoo as you age, until it looks like a bruise.

    24. Re:Before you do it by Peach+Rings · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In that case, definitely the most beautiful and famous theorem you can come up with is Euler's identity. e^(i*Pi) = -1.

    25. Re:Before you do it by Guillaume+le+Btard · · Score: 1

      Always remember Ohms law is wrong! Or at least to us EMC engineers...

    26. Re:Before you do it by Gravitron+5000 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I mean, if he was going for a big cock on his forhead, maybe $60 or so, then I would agree but...

      Note that no tattoo was mentioned in that sentence ...

    27. Re:Before you do it by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      >>>Do you *really* think this will be so important to you forever?

      Good point. I spent almost a thousand dollars buying the entire Star Trek series on VHS. I loved that show. Fast-forward to the present and I realize how dumb I was. (1) It would have been cheaper to just rent the shows, since I only watched them two or three times, or (2) skip the VHS and wait for the cheap DVD sets.

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    28. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Contrary to what some folks in this thread claim (in high rated comments), (most) tattoos can be removed. I used to have one and had it removed. Afterwards, the only person who ever noticed this was a doctor, who asked me why my skin looked a bit lighter on my shoulder. Your eyes have to be really close to that spot to notice the color difference and even then it's impossible to make out anything - in my case a word - that used to be tattooed there.

    29. Re:Before you do it by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They ARE wrong, especially Ohm's Law. They're very, very good approximations for most cases, but they're not exactly correct. Even Einstein's equations are probably wrong, and don't agree with actual results in navigation of space probes: see the Pioneer Anomaly.

      If you want equations that are exactly correct, stick to proven mathematical theorems, like a^2 + b^2 = c^2, not equations describing physics.

    30. Re:Before you do it by Improv · · Score: 1

      Saying this out loud inspires marriage proposals.

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    31. Re:Before you do it by LoRdTAW · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Asking Slashdot alone for ink advice means he/she is still not sure what to get. I have a bunch of friends with ink. Each of them thought the whole thing through and two have even gone as far as mocking up the art in Photoshop. If you are unsure of what to get you need to give it more thought, PERIOD.

      He/she also better hope that they have a competent artist. It never hurts to search out reputable tattoo shops or ask people who you see with great ink work (they should be more than happy to tell you). I know people who have been victim of just going to any old shop and getting crap work done. And avoid the friend of a friend who does his/her work out of their home or apartment. Either they suck, are slow as hell or disappear before they even start to fill it in and have some or all of the money (I know one case of each). Find a reputable shop with a reputable artist. Sometimes you have to wait a long time (weeks/months/years) before you get in the chair. But if its going to stick with you for the rest of your life you better know the quality of the artist.

    32. Re:Before you do it by TheLink · · Score: 1

      It's not forever. For a math and science geek he sure has a poor understanding of forever.

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    33. Re:Before you do it by Monkeedude1212 · · Score: 1

      I don't see why not. I mean unless you are against the idea of Tattoos in general? Most people who get a full sleeve generally like to think of a Tattoo as a way to express themself, and not just the "man what a cool tattoo".

      I mean, when I see most people with a Tattoo, its usually a tramp stamp or some cheesy shoulder tattoo of a japanese character, and yes - those are the kinds of tattoos you may regret in the future. Also, I'm sure something like your girlfriend of 1 month's name in a giant heart on your back might also be a bad idea.

      But there are those people who you see, who have tattoos of stuff that's really cool. They are comfortable with it because it's really a part of them. This is why I don't really discourage this guy's behavior. Is he out of high school? Enough that he can make some rational (relatively speaking) decisions? If you like Tattoos, go for it. If he thinks math and science equations express to the world the geek that he is, in his own clever funny way, so be it. I'm not one to stop him, and I'm not saying you are either, I mean thinking twice is always important, but we don't need to discourage the idea.

      I mean you only live once, right? Would it be better to get a Tattoo, and regret it - or to have wanted to get one for years, but never did because you feared it would embarass you? That's really up to him to decide. I personally have wanted a Tattoo for a while, but like you warn, I don't know if I'll want one forever. I've come to the decision that I wouldn't get one unless I was sure that it was me, you know? Something that really expressed a part of me that has been constant throughout. So, if he thinks he has found that part of him, I say go for it, because that's not something the rest of us have found yet. If he just wants to get it because he thinks it'll be cool, or good for a laugh at parties, I would probably say the same thing you do, a Tattoo for the sake of the Tattoo is never a good idea.

    34. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Me personally I would never get a tattoo. I can understand why people get them though.

      Did see one funny vid of a lady getting her tattoo removed. "people ask me all the time what my tattoo means. It means I was a retard when I was younger".

      Think back say 10 years. Do you like the same music? Girlfriend? Tv? Anything? No tastes change. Tattoos are not fun to get removed.

      My GF wanted one *REALLY* bad. I pulled out the cash and set it down on the counter. I said leave that money for 1 year. If you still want it after a year I will pay for it. We had a nice dinner a year later instead.

      Also at the original guy. A sleeve? Really? How about I only want to work in mcdonalds from now on, oh and in the back. People have prejudices about them that is a fact. It sounds cool now. But unless you are planing on going nowhere in life I would leave it in the 'that sounds cool' idea. People with tattoos are usually shunned not because the tattoo is ugly it shows they can and are willing make long term bad mistakes and stick with them (as you can get them removed). Typically they are associated with bad judgment. Someone who will make a quick decision on something that has long term consequences. Not someone you want to hire for something where you make decisions.

      Friend of mine has a tattoo that goes down his arm. He now has to wear long sleeve shirts even when it is 110 out in the shade. As he wants to present a 'professional' attitude and his bosses demand it of him. He is now considering getting it removed. It is a cool tattoo though :)

      Tattoos are something we 'all want' at some point or another. The negatives usually outweigh the positives unfortunately.

    35. Re:Before you do it by shentino · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which is precisely what will happen if your mom forces you to get it removed and then bills you for the procedure by taking it out of your allowance for the next 10 years.

      Which just goes to show you, if you're a minor, make sure your parents are ok with it.

    36. Re:Before you do it by boristdog · · Score: 0, Troll

      Remember how this "science" stuff is viewed with derision by the American Taliban.

      If the arch-conservatives come back into power, they may make you cut off your arm so you don't spread "science" to our childrens!

      score -5 Troll

    37. Re:Before you do it by jsveiga · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also consider the possibility that this could get you in trouble in a math/physics exam. I thought I'd never go back to a classroom, but was pushed into a post-grad course - and was prohibited to use my old faithful HP49G on the financial/accounting exams "because it is alphanumeric and can be used for cheating"! I had to borrow a 30 year old 12c, but you won't be able to borrow a clean pair of arms.

    38. Re:Before you do it by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Damn. Now I have to close my account.

      [John]

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    39. Re:Before you do it by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 1

      Watch out folks, he's gonna be really pissed when he finds out the username he wanted is already taken.

    40. Re:Before you do it by daeley · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We're supposed to be logical and have superior reasoning abilities, and there's absolutely nothing logical or reasonable about getting ink permanently injected into your skin.

      Yes, because making snap, blanket statements about people's lifestyle choices is the epitome of logic and reason.

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    41. Re:Before you do it by Colonel+Korn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Think twice. Do you *really* think this will be so important to you forever?

      A good test is to think about your favorite thing when you were one half your current age. If you had that tatooed on you today, would you be happy about it? Your future self may feel the same about your current fashion interests.

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    42. Re:Before you do it by jedrek · · Score: 3, Insightful

      We're supposed to be logical and have superior reasoning abilities, and there's absolutely nothing logical or reasonable about getting ink permanently injected into your skin.

      That's the most common FUD you hear about geeks and nerds. In reality, geeks characterize themselves with poor social skills, a simple single-mindedness that often misses the forest for the trees and an inability to treat viewpoints other than their own as valid.

      Your post is symptomatic of that kind of thinking. There are logical reasons to get tattoos, your inability to realize is pathetic.

    43. Re:Before you do it by Bigbutt · · Score: 1

      Yea, at 53 I've been gaming in one manner or another all my life. I have a pretty good idea of the montage I want to show the constant and lifelong interest in gaming I've had. It'll never be complete as things change but it'll be such that I'll be able to add to it when I want.

      [John]

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    44. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Loser. Skip farther forward and you can just download them. Farther forward and they come standard with the neural library of congress implant.

      You were not stupid then, you are stupid now. Then you made a rational choice based on your wants and (presumably) your abilities. Now you regret it because the options changed?

      You might as well never buy anything until long after you're dead so that you'll be ready when the final latest thing happens.

    45. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tattoos are useful for identifying people who are trying to be nonconformist, just like everyone else.

      Same with piercings, and smoking. All demonstrate a certain weak-mindedness in a person that makes it difficult (but not impossible) for me to respect them.

    46. Re:Before you do it by mzs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Also what if you ever live in a culture with a dim view of tattoos. It could lead to you not being allowed in certain places or keep you from getting a job. The only thing I would ever consider getting a tattoo of is my name on my chest and my blood type and severe allergy in a couple of languages on my for arm.

    47. Re:Before you do it by Chih · · Score: 1

      It'll almost be like getting a girl's name tatted on your arm. Except this is slashdot....

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    48. Re:Before you do it by Propaganda13 · · Score: 1

      My feelings on tattoos

      Get one of the best tattoo artists in your area (if not the country or world)
      Finalize a design then wait a minimum of six months to get it.

      I've seen too many badly done tattoos and know plenty that got them removed or inked over.

    49. Re:Before you do it by uhoreg · · Score: 1, Informative

      a^2 + b^2 = c^2 is not a Mathematical theorem. It is an equation whose validity depends on the specific values of a, b, and c.

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    50. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Howsabout a tattoo with the wavelength of the laser you'll use to remove this ugly ink.

      Or barbed wire. That will never go out of style.

    51. Re:Before you do it by Chih · · Score: 1

      Backup plan: your five top choices for laws of physics that we all know to be true today, but that we will know to be false before you die. Then you can cross them out as they are disproven.

      I like this plan

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    52. Re:Before you do it by drewhk · · Score: 1

      Bayes Theorem would be also top on my list.

    53. Re:Before you do it by Zerth · · Score: 5, Funny

      If you want art, get it on paper or canvas so you can pass it down to your descendants, not something that's destined to die when you do

      Apparently you have never heard of a process called "tanning". Some of us still have grand-dad's WWI tattoos, nicely framed.

    54. Re:Before you do it by Chih · · Score: 1

      I mean, if he was going for a big cock on his forhead, maybe $60 or so, then I would agree but...

      Note that no tattoo was mentioned in that sentence ...

      Oh man, you're right, he's getting ripped off. I'd do it for $10

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    55. Re:Before you do it by dnahelicase · · Score: 1

      Or go for chemistry! Depending on how large you're willing to make your tatoo, you can get all of the periodic table inscribed on that isn't going to change. Obviously you would want to avoid certain parts and information, but the symbols of all the elements we are pretty sure about are unlikely to ever change.

    56. Re:Before you do it by Gulthek · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Sounds like you've never gotten a tattoo. Before you get one you build up all this inherent meaning and long-term significance to the tattoo. Afterwards, you realize that it's just a cool picture (or phrase, whatever) that you wanted. Even if times and tastes change it's a cool link to who you were back when you got it.

    57. Re:Before you do it by brian0918 · · Score: 3, Informative

      On the contrary - all laws are true within their context. And that will be true of all laws discovered in the future. There will never be a law in the future which you could definitely say will "always be true", as that would require omniscience, which is impossible. So truth requires context, and all laws are true.

      For the same reason, if I claim to be a soothsayer, and accurately predict specific global events far into the future, it would not mean that I am speaking the truth. There is no conceivable means by which I could have known that those events would have occurred. I simply guessed correct, but my statements were not true. Truth is the product of the recognition of reality - so with no possible means by which I could have recognized future events, I cannot speak truth about them.

      Even your mathematical truth, e.g. Pythagoras' theorem, is only true in the context of Euclidean geometry.

    58. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Me three.

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    59. Re:Before you do it by HeckRuler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      And I guess this is the important distinction between scientists and engineers. Whereas scientists will care about if an equation holds near the center of a black hole, the engineer is willing to define such scenarios as out of scope. The scope for scientists is unlimited, the scope for engineers depends on the product.
      And anon specifically asked for math and science geekery, so you've got a good point. If you want a scientific tattoo, stay away from Ohms law. If you want an engineering tattoo, go for it, get it done, and close the ticket.

    60. Re:Before you do it by severoon · · Score: 4, Informative

      Um, if you're gonna get it tattoo'd, you probably want to go with the more traditional form of: e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0. This single equation shows a relationship between 5 important mathematical constants, as opposed to the other form, which just shows 3 (I don't think -1 qualifies, as i is the more fundamental).

      Or, you could go with the more general form: e^(i*theta) = cos(theta) + i*sin(theta).

      I might also go with the Euler product form of the Riemann zeta function, arguably the greatest unsolved problem in all of mathematics: sigma(n=1, infinity, n^-s) = pi(p prime, inv(1 - p^-s)).

      I wouldn't worry about putting stuff on your arm that might get proven wrong—it doesn't mean F=m*a isn't a significant step in the evolution of human thought just because Einstein improved upon it. Speaking of Einstein, how about the Minkowski invariance relation (I think that's what it's called?): s^2 = x^2 + y^2 + z^2 + (i*c*t)^2.

      Another significant idea worth memorializing is Godel's Incompleteness Theorem...you'd have to find a form using logic notation.

      Finally, you might think about getting N E R D C O R E across your knuckles...

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    61. Re:Before you do it by junk · · Score: 1

      But idiotic generalizations are the mark of a savant...

    62. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      mark of sub-average intellect

      You mean, like, it identifies him as the type of person to go around making dumb assumptions about people whose choices are different from his?

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    63. Re:Before you do it by mollog · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What kind of bike did you get?

      I just split up with my (second) wife and bought an old Kawasaki H1. I'm thinking of a Betty Boop tattoo.

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    64. Re:Before you do it by BForrester · · Score: 1

      I mean, if he was going for a big cock on his forhead, maybe $60 or so, then I would agree...

      In that case, he'd definitely want to subtitle his art with Maxwell Equation #2: there are no isolated poles.

    65. Re:Before you do it by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Newton's Laws, for instance, are flat-out wrong. You can use them to calculate, for instance, the distance a projectile fired from a cannon travels. The results will be close, but wrong because they don't take into account relativity, as will any calculations involving objects moving at different velocities. For most purposes, they're "close enough", but that doesn't equal "true", even in their own context. You can use relativity to do the calculations, and get a little more accuracy, but it won't be significant, and the calculations are much more difficult than Newton's Laws.

    66. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent point.

    67. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of cocks, I've got an infinity symbol on mine. Fuck yeah.

    68. Re:Before you do it by Teun · · Score: 1
      Yeah right, wouldn't it be terrible that you turned 65 and realised you went all these years without that tattoo?

      To make up your mind go over to the UK, every miserable punk is covered in ink and it looks horrible.

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    69. Re:Before you do it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      There are logical reasons to get tattoos

      Well, you could list them if there actually are any. Not a single comment gives any rational reason why one would want a tattoo, including yours that states that there are reasons without actually giving any. And "everybody else is doing it" is neither a logical nor a rational reason.

    70. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      E=MC^3

    71. Re:Before you do it by lawpoop · · Score: 1

      The scope for scientists is unlimited, the scope for engineers depends on the product.

      A quibble: the scope for scientists is observable, quantifiable reality; the scope for mathematicians is unlimited.

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    72. Re:Before you do it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      I fail to see the logic in your comment any more than I see the logic of getting a tattoo.

    73. Re:Before you do it by 2obvious4u · · Score: 1

      a^2+b^2=c^2

      I think I'm ok.

      P.S. /. really needs to allow standard HTML characters like & sup2 ;

    74. Re:Before you do it by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      arguably the greatest unsolved problem in all of mathematics

      P=NP is up there, and a lot more concise :p

      I wouldn't worry about putting stuff on your arm that might get proven wrong—it doesn't mean F=m*a isn't a significant step in the evolution of human thought just because Einstein improved upon it.

      But tread lightly around P=NP

    75. Re:Before you do it by Opie812 · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Remember, tastes change, but tattoos are permanent. Think that over a few times before getting one.

      You said it buddy. My Flock of Seagulls tattoo is really embarassing now.

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    76. Re:Before you do it by bigrockpeltr · · Score: 1

      its validity does not depend on specific values of a,b and c as u suggest... but rather for any right-angled triangle where c represents the length of the hypotenuse, c = sqrt(a^2+b^2) === a^2 + b^2 = c^2

      so maybe you cant always find a set of integers to match but there are always values for A and B for any C and viceversa for any A and B there is always a value of C.

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    77. Re:Before you do it by Andrewkov · · Score: 1

      Nahh... Go for it, tattoo removal technology is improving all the time, so no worries.

    78. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1

      whether anyone with tattoos actually is any kind of geek, especially a math or science geek

      C'mon, geeks are supposed to be too smart for the No True Scotsman fallacy.

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    79. Re:Before you do it by liquiddark · · Score: 1

      A scientist will be happy with a simple and beautiful solution, but will then work to determine whether that is or is not the deepest expression of truth about reality all the same. F=ma and e=mc^2 will always be beautiful scientific notions, regardless of their exact domains and fit to the actual data.

    80. Re:Before you do it by omnichad · · Score: 1

      Hey, I was just about to post that.

    81. Re:Before you do it by nege · · Score: 1

      "Backup plan: your five top choices for laws of physics that we all know to be true today, but that we will know to be false before you die. Then you can cross them out as they are disproven."

      Absolutely the best idea I have seen posted on this thread!

    82. Re:Before you do it by ophecleide · · Score: 1

      The fact that they're wrong isn't necessarily important, because they're still *useful*. If you are in a geeky field that involves solving problems, and most of those problems can be solved using techniques governed by very good approximations, such as Ohm's Law or Maxwell's Equations, that seems to me like a good tattoo to get. Similarly, if you do work with nonlinear devices where Ohm's Law breaks down, why not get a tattoo of the contradiction of Ohm's Law (V != IR)?

    83. Re:Before you do it by omnichad · · Score: 1

      DVD CSS keys?

    84. Re:Before you do it by mea37 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If you fire a cannon, measure where the projectile lands, and conclude that the difference between that and the value calculated by Newton's equations has anythnig to do with relativity, then you have either a very powerful cannon or a very powerful imagination.

    85. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1

      and there's absolutely nothing logical or reasonable

      I fail to see the logic

      Reread these two sentence fragments you wrote. Think about the different claims they're making. Think in particular about the scope of their respective claims.
      It'll come to you.

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    86. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A good test is to think about your favorite thing when you were one half your current age. If you had that tatooed on you today, would you be happy about it?

      Legos. And yes.

    87. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohm's law doesn't hold in nanoelectronic devices. You can bet your ass there are a great many engineers at Intel that care about that.

    88. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Continue to scar your body and you'll likely never be appreciated for the contributions that you could make in the future. Right or wrong, most established and emerging professionals will not offer opportunities and advancement to people who use tattoos - especially to the extent that you are planning. If you think that you can "go it alone," just be aware that you could have made a much bigger impact if you could have influenced and collaborated with many more people.

    89. Re:Before you do it by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      I agree with the 72 point font thing. which base?

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    90. Re:Before you do it by Idbar · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Well... I guess you can always start with 3.14 and keep adding decimals with time, as you feel more confident about having tattoos.

    91. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1
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    92. Re:Before you do it by nege · · Score: 1

      There are logical reasons to get tattoos

      Well, you could list them if there actually are any. Not a single comment gives any rational reason why one would want a tattoo, including yours that states that there are reasons without actually giving any. And "everybody else is doing it" is neither a logical nor a rational reason.

      Most logical reasons could be fairly personal. Members of my family get tattoos when loved ones pass away. It gives them a sense of connection with the person that passed and is a way to pay homage to the memory of that person. Anthropologically humans have this need to connect with those we love and to express this in physical ways. This seems a fairly logical way to achieve that, and it helps to fulfill a basic need.

      Are there other ways to accomplish this as well? Sure. There is usually more than one way to skin a cat. In this case, we put the cat on the skin.

    93. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Your future self may feel the same about your current fashion interests.

      Who cares what that old fart thinks? He's probably never done anything crazy like this in his life.

    94. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Pikachu is still awesome.

    95. Re:Before you do it by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Really!?!? Tattoos don't wash off, and should not simply be applied on a whim??? Thank!!!!!!!!1 And thanks to everyone who modded this insightful! Maybe you can answer my question: is water a good beverage, and should I consume it, or other beverages based on water? Thanks, because this is not plainly obvious to everyone!

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    96. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Similarly, if you do work with nonlinear devices where Ohm's Law breaks down

      Nonlinear devices like, say, transistors? Or vacuum tubes? Or lightbulbs?

      Anyone who does any work with electronics constantly deals with non-linear devices. Even as an analog circuits designer, I sure as hell wouldn't want Ebers-Moll (a simple and very useful model of a bipolar transistor) inked on me. Give me something more universal, like Kirchhoff's laws or even Maxwell's equations.

    97. Re:Before you do it by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Bad test. I'm far more likely to like something when I'm 40 that I liked when I was 20 than I am to like something when I'm 20 that I liked when I was 10.

    98. Re:Before you do it by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 1

      It may have been a literal translation into Chinese of "don't get a tattoo when you're drunk." I can only hope.

    99. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ah yes this is Slashdot, an appropriate tattoo would be the words "RIGHT HAND" tattoo'd onto your upper arm.

    100. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One of the things that shows such as Miami-ink and LA-ink give to the public is a bit of insight on the thought processes of those who decide to get a tattoo and a common factor in all decisions made by those who get tattoos in that show is that not a single one is a MENSA-type.

    101. Re:Before you do it by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A good test is to think about your favorite thing when you were one half your current age.

      Irrelevant. If he is say, 26 (or anything in that ballpark, or greater), this is crazy. You are comparing the decision making abilities and foresight of a 13 year-old child to those of an adult. The poster has certainly been thinking this over and wants to get at tattoo. No one is advising him to get a dragon screwing a pentagram on his forehead and skulls and swear words on his hands. There's nothing wrong with a tattoo (especially a clever one) if it is well done and located where it can be either displayed or hidden as desired. Live a little, and don't worry about every single thing you do today being so significant as to possibly, maybe, some day, somehow completely ruining your life.

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    102. Re:Before you do it by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      Have the sun tattooed on your neck and all the planets down your spine. End with Neptune on your perineum and Uranus right where it always was.

    103. Re:Before you do it by ari_j · · Score: 1

      a^2 + b^2 = c^2 is only true in a plane, though. Consider what that means in the context of a tattoo.

    104. Re:Before you do it by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

      The perfect tattoo: in a single 72-point font, the last digit of Pi.

      Backup plan: your five top choices for laws of physics that we all know to be true today, but that we will know to be false before you die. Then you can cross them out as they are disproven.

      forty two

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    105. Re:Before you do it by ari_j · · Score: 1

      No, you just have a bigger forehead than TheCarp does.

    106. Re:Before you do it by severoon · · Score: 1

      Why should they take relativity into account? Are you asserting that relativity is less wrong than Newton's laws?

      They're both equally "wrong"--which is to say not much at all. We must keep in mind here that scientific theories describe scientific models. The model takes inputs and produces outputs that are useful to us. What's inside the model is a black box--it need not correspond to reality to be useful, and no real scientist would claim that what goes on in the black box does correspond to reality.

      Well, they can claim it, actually, but only if they split the model into two new black boxes...in that case, they can talk about the outputs of the new smaller black box as having something to do with reality...but once again, not what's inside it.

      Consider the probability wave for instance. Does any physicist really believe that all matter and energy propagates as probability waves that collapse upon observation? Or do they believe that how matter & energy are described by the model may do that, but more to the point, it doesn't really matter as long as that model allows us to make accurate predictions?

      This is the difference between science and faith people. All scientists worth anything recognize that the inner workings of scientific models resembling reality is purely incidental. If that were not the case, the Einstein would have proceeded from Newton's laws as though they were on equal footing with experimental results that contradicted them, and he would have been a mystic.

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    107. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most logical reasons could be fairly personal. Members of my family get tattoos when loved ones pass away. It gives them a sense of connection with the person that passed and is a way to pay homage to the memory of that person.

      So you just gave an emotional reason in lieu of a logical reason. Chalk one up to the failblog.

    108. Re:Before you do it by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      There are logical reasons to get tattoos

      Name two.

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    109. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      OP is anonymous... odd you'd assume it was male.

    110. Re:Before you do it by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Perhaps unicode would suffice?

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    111. Re:Before you do it by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Or what if the tattoo artist doesn't understand the subject enough to get it right? My favorite tattoo ever is Hayden Panettiere's, which is in Italian but misspelled. "To live without regrets," indeed.

    112. Re:Before you do it by maxume · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, the first 20 digits or so of pi are going to give you more accuracy than any of your various ways of interfacing with the universe can utilize (that statement likely holds true for values quite a lot smaller than 20...).

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    113. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, get whatever formula you want, just leave room at the bottom for the date and the phrase "never forget"... ...you know, just in case.

    114. Re:Before you do it by demonlapin · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I am open-minded and willing to believe that the guy with sleeves and a mullet is not a moron once he proves it, but he's going to have a lot more work than the guy with short hair and a suit.

    115. Re:Before you do it by bynary · · Score: 1

      Forever? I'm pretty sure tattoos are finite considering that the host's body is finite.

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    116. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you're wrong. Scientists have no problems with models. Everyone knows F=ma doesn't always give answers that are good enough -- that doesn't mean that it's not almost always useful. You just have to know the domain where your model applies. Same for Ohm's law. An engineering tattoo would be something like pi=3, which is also a decent approximation, but one that scientists probably would feel less comfortable tattooing on their arms.

    117. Re:Before you do it by severoon · · Score: 1

      P=NP is more computer science that straight math or science. Still, maybe worth it. I would reject concision as a criterion, though...I'd want a tat represents an important idea and looks good aesthetically moreso than one that's simply concise. (Actually, I wouldn't want a tat period, but that's beside the point.)

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    118. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Not "ict"! I believe it is standard now to use the Minkowski metric (with a signature (-,+,+,+) or (+,-,-,-)) rather than "ict". The framework of the former generalizes to other non-Euclidean metrics found in General Relativity while the latter (which I believe comes from the study of Clifford algebras / geometric algebras?) does not. To fill in the gap, this changes the relation to

      ds^2 = -dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2

      (or ds^2 = dt^2 - dx^2 - dy^2 - dz^2, if you like).

    119. Re:Before you do it by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Repeat after me: "Scope of product".

    120. Re:Before you do it by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      HA! Good catch.

    121. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1

      And Pimp My Ride, does that give you an equally universal insight on the thought processes of those who buy cars?
      How about Bridezilla? That's a universal look at the world of marriage, right?

      (hint: MENSA-types do not treat pop-doc TV shows as reliable anthropological data.)

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    122. Re:Before you do it by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      We're supposed to be logical and have superior reasoning abilities, and there's absolutely nothing logical or reasonable about getting ink permanently injected into your skin.

      Being capable of logic and reason doesn't mean that everything we do is, should be, or can be logical. If you've decided to go out to dinner and your choices are between restaurants A and B, you're probably going to pick the one you are more "in the mood" for. It's logical to do that, but there's no logic in the mood itself. Hell, there's no reason to eat at all unless you accept the non-logical premise that you desire to continue your existence. Desire is very rarely related to logic.

      (I also don't get the tattoo thing.)

    123. Re:Before you do it by Keebler71 · · Score: 1

      Completely agree with Euler's Id although my first response would be to not get a tattoo... to each his own... aside form that I'd consider: Einstein Field Equations, Maxwell Equations, Schrodinger Equation and if this is part of a larger spread I'd hide the numbers 137 and 42 in there as well...

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    124. Re:Before you do it by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      High-school level. Not geek enough.

      s/2/n/g

    125. Re:Before you do it by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      What happens when we explain dark matter and dark energy? Physics is all subject to change, since it tries to approximate a set of rules that we aren't really sure about.

      It's the Ether! Michelson and Morley didn't get a null result, they got a one-third result, which makes sense if the ether is a fluid, not a crystal. </heresy>

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    126. Re:Before you do it by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but that's just wrong. There's no logical reason for wanting ANYTHING, not even to breathe. Wants derive from other thought processes than logic. One might call them the axioms off of the the logic springs.

      Actually, I've got a fairly detailed theory about this, that I'm sure you don't want the details of, but I break thinking down into four categories:
      1) axioms
      2) logic
      3) models
      4) ranking tables
      Of these, axioms is the worst fitting name. it corresponds to the mental function that CGJung called Intuition, though I disagree with him considerably about the details of implementation.

      FWIW, normally when I'm thinking of these processes I label them in terms of the alchemical elements (1:water, 2:air, 3:earth, 4:fire) to free myself from the natural meanings assigned to the labels I first gave, and yet be a short enough label to think about easily.

      P.S.: The correspondence that I use was suggested by one of the traditional mappings used by Tarot cards...but this doesn't change the fact that the mapping is intrinsically arbitrary.

      OTOH, analogical reasoning, i.e., pattern matching, is one of the basic mental processes that I haven't been able to fit into my theory. I can tell that it's there, and that it's basic, but I haven't been able to tell how many dimensions it operates in, just that it's at least two dimensional, so grep expressions won't work, and I haven't stumbled across a multi-dimensional regular expression for patterns grammar.

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    127. Re:Before you do it by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 1

      In that case, definitely the most beautiful and famous theorem you can come up with is Euler's identity. e^(i*Pi) = -1.

      I just had that idea for a T-shirt: White on black, with the words "Get used to it." underneath.

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    128. Re:Before you do it by sonciwind · · Score: 1

      It doesn't really matter. Getting a tattoo doesn't mean it has to be so important to him forever, or to be more realistic, for the rest of the time he has that body. It's just a marker that it was that significant of an impact on him at least at one time in his life. If you're pretty wishy washy or ashamed of the things that are meaningful to you and wouldn't want anyone to ever know about them, by all means, don't get a tattoo of that thing.

    129. Re:Before you do it by Omestes · · Score: 1

      Think back say 10 years. Do you like the same music? Girlfriend? Tv? Anything? No tastes change. Tattoos are not fun to get removed.

      I always feel kind of sad when I see people who have tattoos of obvious ephemera like current bands, TV shows, or internet memes. But this doesn't reflect badly on all tattoos. I have a couple friends who have lived interesting lives (mostly as drifters and musicians), who have tons of tattoos, all of which form a narrative of their life. Because of the nature of their tattoos I doubt they ever will regret them, or at least never regret them more than the circumstance that lead to them.

      I currently have two tattoos, with a third in the pipeline (I've been planning it for around 4 years now). The first on is around 10 years old now, and I have no regrets, even if it isn't the best tattoo in the world. It is a sign of that period of my life. My second tattoo was in the works since high school, around 13 years previous of when I finally got it. I don't see myself regretting it (it says "gnothi sauthon", ala Delphi, hardly ephemera).

      The three mistakes people commit when getting tattoos is getting something that is current and trendy; getting random tattoos that don't interlink or look good together (the body should be a canvas, and you should use the same rules of composition), and people not meticulously planning their tattoos. Tattoos with typos are especially hilarious and tragic.

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    130. Re:Before you do it by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 1

      The perfect tattoo: in a single 72-point font, the last digit of Pi.

      The last 2 digits are 42.

      No they aren't. Going from right to left, the last digits are 13.

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    131. Re:Before you do it by Inda · · Score: 1

      Same as my mate. He got a tat of some Chinese lettering, when drunk. The day after he went to the local Chinese takeaway and asked them what it meant.

      "Nice picture!" the Chinaman said and my mate walked away bemused. He was forever telling people it translated to "nice picture". No one was brave enough to tell him it meant nothing. It was amusing keeping quiet.

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    132. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The perfect tattoo: in a single 72-point font, the last digit of Pi.

      I suspect if it exists, it is in the range of 1 - 9...

    133. Re:Before you do it by farnsaw · · Score: 1

      I have known several people that I would be willing to cover the costs on if they WOULD get a cock tat on their forehead... As I'm sure we all have...

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    134. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      University of South Carolina!

    135. Re:Before you do it by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but what about the dwarf planets, Ceres, Pluto, Haumea, Makemake, and Eris?

      And then if you decide you do want the dwarf planets tattooed on you, what happens when new ones are discovered, or worse, renamed from asteroids? For instance, Vesta is currently considered an asteroid (and the 2nd largest object in the asteroid belt, after Ceres). It might be called a dwarf planet later, just like Ceres, which used to be considered an asteroid but is now elevated to "dwarf planet" status.

    136. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just to expand, Einstein's relativity deals with relative motion approaching the speed of light (how distance & time warp) - hence the term relativistic speed. If you're not at relativistic speeds, then Newton's laws work just fine.

      Firing a canon - Newton
      GPS - Einstein

    137. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I can't even give you a logical reason for breathing. After all, I'm only emotionally committed to living. There's no logical reason to stay alive.

    138. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1

      a) Getting chicks/dudes
      b) Commemorating things which are important to you.

      Now, the clenched-fist, clueless Aspie will argue that neither of these are "logical" in the strict sense, because they are just means to a sentimental or hedonistic end. But if he follows this line of reasoning any further, he's fucked, because now he has to explain, in spartan "logic" terms, why he does not live in an unfurnished hovel, passing the time between work, sleep and meals by staring at the wall.

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    139. Re:Before you do it by morari · · Score: 4, Funny

      Hm... You know what, I think I'd be okay with a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle tattoo. Thanks for the advice!

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    140. Re:Before you do it by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

      Well then it will be something like having the ideogram for "Friendship" tattooed and it's really the ideogram for "Rock" or "Love" or "Horny Goatweed".

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    141. Re:Before you do it by Abstrackt · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Really!?!? Tattoos don't wash off, and should not simply be applied on a whim??? Thank!!!!!!!!1 And thanks to everyone who modded this insightful! Maybe you can answer my question: is water a good beverage, and should I consume it, or other beverages based on water? Thanks, because this is not plainly obvious to everyone!

      Funny, but according to the American Society of Dermatologic Surgery about 50% of people with a tattoo eventually want it removed.

      People do impulsive, stupid things all the time, tattoos are no different. That's why you should always think before you ink.

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    142. Re:Before you do it by nege · · Score: 1

      Wow you fail. The logic is for humans to obey an emotional imperative. If you don't follow this, then you aren't really living. GLHF!

    143. Re:Before you do it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Why would wanting to continue one's existance be illogical? Because nothing you ever do in life will really matter in the bigger scheme of things? All we are is dust in the wind, and thought itself is nothing more than a complex chemical reaction.

      Logic: Do I take Cindy out, who has really pretty eyes and a nice personality but will probably be dead in a few years, or Tammy, who isn't bad looking and I might get laid if I take her? Obvious choice there...

      Lets see, Gallager's, a real nice restaraunt with excellent food and insanely high prices or D'Arcy's. also a really nice restaraunt with excellent food that's actually affordable? Easy one there, too -- if she wants Gallager's, run like hell because she's a gold digger.

      Logical.

      The only reason I can think of for wanting a tattoo is to fit in. Not a very nerdy avocation.

    144. Re:Before you do it by ari_j · · Score: 1

      Please state some logical reasons to get tattoos. I know many subjective reasons, some valid and others not so much, to get a tattoo, but none of these reasons can be demonstrated by objective, logical reasoning. I'm all ears if you know of several that can.

    145. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Caveat - For any TWO DIMENSIONAL right angled triangle.... If inscribed on a sphere, it doesn't work.

    146. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are logical reasons to get tattoos

      Enumerate please.

    147. Re:Before you do it by aamcf · · Score: 1

      You do know some piercings can enhance the way parts of the body function, don't you?

    148. Re:Before you do it by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      Because without my number tattooed onto my body, I cant convince the horsemen to start riding.

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    149. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I can do this (almost exactly!) I'm early 30's. When I was almost exactly my current age (just at my 17th bday) I got a space-themed picture on an arm, bicep level (couple of planets, stars and a "sun").

      I definitely think its a little cheesy now! Its visible when I wear some short sleeve shirts, and I occasionally have to explain it to people, many of whom are surprised that I have a tattoo of course. Personally, It reminds me that when I was a kid in HS, I liked sci-fi, astrophysics and pink floyd. But that's kind of the point of a tattoo, isn't it? To tell a little bit about who you are. The story of "the human life" is that we change, grow, and evolve. No reason we can't unveil a certain amount of our historical naivete.

      That being said, thank god I didn't get the Ziggy tattoo! I mean, I used to think he was kind of funny....

    150. Re:Before you do it by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      Apparently you have never heard of a process called "tanning".

      To be fair, this is /. -- we don't get out much.
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    151. Re:Before you do it by HotGarbage · · Score: 1

      Sounds like you've never gotten a tattoo. Before you get one you build up all this inherent meaning and long-term significance to the tattoo. Afterwards, you realize that it's just a cool picture (or phrase, whatever) that you wanted. Even if times and tastes change it's a cool link to who you were back when you got it.

      You are absolutely right...I have one, a picture of my ex-wife...People always ask, "You guys got divorced, don't you feel stupid now?" No...my experience with her shaped me permanently...just as all relationships shape shape us...This is no different...As I say, At least I got a cool tattoo out of the deal...You change your mind, your taste changes but you will always love your ink, so long as you get it for the right reasons... On a side note, I wish I had thought of it. I would love to get some cool math tatted on...Now I can't cause it isn't original...Maybe I will find something original...Tats have to be original..They are addictive...I have met very few in my life (and I am career military, the breeding ground of testosterone overdosed A-type personalities that LOVE TATTOOS!) that actually "hate their tattoos" it is more likely that they wish they had done something different or thought it though better.

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    152. Re:Before you do it by rrohbeck · · Score: 1

      stick to proven mathematical theorems, like a^2 + b^2 = c^2

      If you find a perfectly flat area on your body that is. Otherwise the tattoo would have to be infinitesimally small, which would defeat the purpose.

    153. Re:Before you do it by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      A tattoo is a lifestyle choice? What's next - makeup, zits, spray-on tans, weird spectacle frames? Icanhazdelusionsofgrandeur? Not saying that people should be mocked for their fads and foibles, but calling it a lifestyle choice is just silly. *snort*

    154. Re:Before you do it by zenaida_valdez · · Score: 1

      Agreed! 40 years ago, I had mutton-chop sideburns, shoulder length hair and polyester flowered shirts. Suppose those things had all been permanent? (Oh the horror!) Clothes can be thrown away, hair can be cut, or will grow back, piercings will heal over. The tattoo will be forever, or actually, will just look more blurry as the years go by.

    155. Re:Before you do it by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Which is precisely what will happen if your mom forces you to get it removed and then bills you for the procedure by taking it out of your allowance for the next 10 years.

      8 year old kids go out and get tattoos?

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    156. Re:Before you do it by Sans_A_Cause · · Score: 1

      I believe the last two digits of pi are 42.

    157. Re:Before you do it by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      well if you think of space time as a single 4 dimensional construct with in a larger multi dimensional space then everything is forever.

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    158. Re:Before you do it by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Wow.. you think so much that you've escaped thinking and have reached thinking about thinking....

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    159. Re:Before you do it by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      All demonstrate a certain weak-mindedness in a person that makes it difficult (but not impossible) for me to respect them.

      Be sure to tell me you were the anonymous coward on slashdot that said that, when we do meet. I want the ability to walk away, and discard you. You pigeon-hole and generalize, which is a weak-mindedness in a person that makes it difficult (*but* not impossible) for me to respect them.

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    160. Re:Before you do it by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

      I would argue that those are not logical reasons. Those are emotional reasons. There are many good reasons to do things that are not logical. The second one of your two is a good reason (but not a logical one) to do something that will, generally, last your lifetime.
      The first reason is not a good reason to get a tattoo. There are much better ways to get chicks (no, I am not going to tell you what they are).

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    161. Re:Before you do it by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ...but he's going to have a lot more work than the guy with short hair and a suit.

      You've obviously never met a business major...

    162. Re:Before you do it by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Alright, here's my favorite. Suppose you do a lot of hiking/exploring/traveling/outdoors sports. Suppose you are the type of person that does this so often you risk severe injury regularly. Now, wouldn't it be logical to have your blood type, you medical allergies, and perhaps even a brief summary of any important medical history (i.e. heart murmurs, missing kidney, whatever) tattooed on your upper arm? If there is a nontrivial chance that you could fall/crash/slip/have an accident in such a manner as to cause severe bleeding or some other severe injury that requires you to undergo emergency medical services in another country, another town, or just some place where people don't know you and don't have your medical records on hand, then it is pretty damn logical to get some basic information permanently attached to your body (i.e. a tattoo).

    163. Re:Before you do it by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Umm...That's not relativity, that's wind resistance. Relativistic effects were the reason found for the anomaly of Mercury's orbit.

    164. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Can you give an example of a logical reason to do something? Like, think of a human activity, any activity at all, whose justification is rooted in logic rather than emotion. I sure can't.

      And I think Slashdot's girl-wooing secrets are safe here, bud.

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    165. Re:Before you do it by lennier · · Score: 1

      We're supposed to be logical and have superior reasoning abilities, and there's absolutely nothing logical or reasonable about getting ink permanently injected into your skin.

      It's perfectly logical if you've lost your short-term memory and you need to be able to record the name of your sworn enemy you're tracking down to kill.

      Now excuse me while I take a Polaroid snapshot of this moment so I can remember to tattoo it.

      Oh! Hello there! Have we met?

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    166. Re:Before you do it by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Optimus Prime? Hells yeah, that'd still be pretty cool. Actually, that was at one third my current age. At half my current age, my favorite thing was ... um, books? Computers? Fancy fountain pens? I dunno. But I'd still be okay with it, assuming it was artistically done.

      I got three tattoos in a very short span, back in 2001. One was deeply symbolic, highly personal, thought out for most of a decade, and when someone asked me the other day why I got it, I couldn't really remember. The other two were decorative designs, picked at whim, with little meaning in themselves--one I got with my best friend of the time, the other was a treat for finishing the rough draft of a novel. The designs are still nice, though for the most part I don't even really notice any of the three if I don't take a moment to think about it first. They're just kind of part of your body after a while.

    167. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      F=ma? Good approximation for large, slow things, but not actually true since we found out about the speed of light.

      Actually, even without relativity, that's not a generally true equation, it's only true when the mass is unchanging. So, if you're examining a vehicle that's using fuel to propel itself, for example, you will need the more general form, F = dp/dt (or F = d(mv)/dt = m*dv/dt + dm/dt*v = m*a + v*dm/dt, which is your equation when dm/dt = 0.

    168. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Finally, you might think about getting N E R D C O R E across your knuckles...

      hmm, S L A S H D O T. fits!

    169. Re:Before you do it by ParisCanuck · · Score: 1

      "Tastes change, but tattoos are permanent."

      Now THAT would be an awesome tattoo!

    170. Re:Before you do it by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Pretty pictures that you get to carry with you forever isn't reason enough?

    171. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, something from Leonard Euler or the Fundamental Theorem of Calculus.

    172. Re:Before you do it by thegameiam · · Score: 1

      I am still amazed that the five most important concepts in mathematics can be expressed in one equation with nothing extraneous. Just reword the equation as e^(i*pi) +1 = 0.

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    173. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, OP was referring to a particle cannon :)

    174. Re:Before you do it by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Obviously, wind resistance is part of the problem, and has a much, much larger effect than relativity. But relativity will account for perhaps a few nanometers (or whatever) inaccuracy in the calculations. For a projectile fired 25 miles, that's ridiculously small, but it's still inexact.

      If you want to see something more measurable (obviously, the above scenario isn't measurable with today's technology, especially since wind is too variable and random to be accounted for), stick an atomic clock in a plane, and another one on the ground synchronized to it, and fly the plane around the world. The two will not match when the plane returns. Of course, the difference will probably be on the order of microseconds (I'm guessing), but just like the above scenario, it shows that Newton's Laws are wrong. Close enough for most purposes, but "really, really close" still isn't the same as "exactly correct".

      The point is, nothing in physics or science is exactly correct. It's just way to model reality and predict results. These models get refined as understanding increases, so instead of using Newton's Laws to send men to Mars, we use Einstein's equations so that they actually get there and don't completely miss, while Newton's Laws are good enough for equations involving, say, automobiles. If you want equations that are exactly correct, stick with things geometric proofs, like the area of a circle, volume of a sphere, and other things that are in the realm of pure mathematics. If you want something more fancy-looking than high school geometry, use some multivariable calculus.

    175. Re:Before you do it by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      Ugh. Seven important symbols: equality and the plus operator are kinda... neat.

    176. Re:Before you do it by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      Which is precisely what will happen if your mom forces you to get it removed and then bills you for the procedure by taking it out of your allowance for the next 10 years.

      8 year old kids go out and get tattoos?

      You give (or will give) your kids allowance until they are 18?

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    177. Re:Before you do it by Lars512 · · Score: 1

      Um, if you're gonna get it tattoo'd, you probably want to go with the more traditional form of: e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0. This single equation shows a relationship between 5 important mathematical constants, as opposed to the other form, which just shows 3 (I don't think -1 qualifies, as i is the more fundamental).

      So you tattoo something safe, and then people start using tau instead of pi.

    178. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How does someone's opinion get modded to +5 insightful?

    179. Re:Before you do it by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      Why would wanting to continue one's existance be illogical?

      I wrote "non-logical" and not "illogical" for a reason, but my example was a poor one due to the connotations with which "existence" is fraught. The restaurant example is better, but seeing the direction you've taken it made me realize it wasn't fleshed-out enough.

      Let's say that your possible choices are a Greek restaurant with a good atmosphere, good food, and good prices; and an Italian restaurant with all the same qualities. They are right next to each other. Let's also assume for the sake of argument that you enjoy both countries' cuisine. Now your choice boils down to which one you or your date feels like eating at the moment. It is logical to go with the choice you or she wants more, but the desire itself is in no way logical. Sometimes you want a gyro, other times you'd prefer spaghetti.

      This happens all the time. Why listen to one radio station or album over another, or why choose silence? Why buy a certain set of new clothing instead of all the other styles and colors available? Why choose Sam Adams over Rolling Rock one day, but change preferences the next? These are not logical decisions; they are opinions, and rooted not in facts and calculations but in experiences and moods.

      A good tattoo is one that makes a statement about its wearer or symbolizes something significant to the wearer himself. "Wanting to fit in" might be a reason for people to get tattoos in certain population segments (and I hypothesize that most of those are bad tattoos), but all the noise about it in here should demonstrate that for geeks this doesn't hold true. You can either demand his geek card, as you seem to be doing, or acknowledge possible reasons for getting a tattoo other than fitting in. Since there are very few (if any) things done for a single reason only, the latter makes more logical sense. ;)

      As I said less clearly before, like you I don't have the mentality that desires a tattoo, but by declaring that there are no good reasons for having them you do a disservice to a lot of people. You may not care, but it reflects poorly on you. You're a prolific /. presence, and having read a lot of your posts I have a fair amount of respect for you. Every now and then you come out with a stance like this (the tattoo thing, not the everything-is-logic thing--that's all too present here) that puzzles me. I wonder how someone with such an experienced, practical mind can draw such a narrow conclusion.

    180. Re:Before you do it by dkf · · Score: 1

      Just to expand, Einstein's relativity deals with relative motion approaching the speed of light (how distance & time warp) - hence the term relativistic speed. If you're not at relativistic speeds, then Newton's laws work just fine.

      Special relativity isn't hugely more involved than what you get when you think of Newton's laws in their real form (not the usual handwavy-forms you're taught) under frames obeying Lorenz invariance (which is really a kind of rotation in spacetime). The real form of Newton's laws is as differential equations, relating momentum changes to instantaneous impulses. It's really very clever indeed, and the consequences of it are very deep, but it is accessible to about the level of introductory college math since it's still clearly a classical theory.

      General relativity is trickier and beyond my mathematical ability/training. I can just about handle the handwavy explanations there and I've read enough to know I don't get the rest.

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    181. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please, enumerate the "logical" reasons! (At least two.)

    182. Re:Before you do it by joe_frisch · · Score: 1

      Scientists also care about where an equation is valid. G=8piT is great - describes gravity everywhere (in classical GR). Unfortunately it is so for insolvable and ferociously difficult to simulate in the general case. Scientists are happy to find simpler versions of equations that are valid under a limited set of conditions. To a significant extent, science is the art of approximation.

    183. Re:Before you do it by m0rm3gil · · Score: 1

      My first though for what I would have gotten 14 years back was a quake symbol. And I'd be pretty okay with that today. So yeah, good advice.

    184. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a hint -- nobody gives a fuck what you think is or is not cool.

    185. Re:Before you do it by grimdawg · · Score: 1

      If inscribed on a sphere, it's still 2-dimensional. You're looking for Euclidean.

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    186. Re:Before you do it by Jarik+C-Bol · · Score: 1

      he could have himself skinned and tanned so the art could be passed on for generations....
      all the snarkyness aside, your right, tattoos are not something to be taken lightly, because laser tattoo removal is painful as hell.

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    187. Re:Before you do it by mikeru22 · · Score: 1

      I immediately thought e^(i*pi)+1=0 as well

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    188. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hm... You know what, I think I'd be okay with a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle tattoo. Thanks for the advice!

      My brother is an officer in the military and has a tattoo of bender from futurama. go figure.

    189. Re:Before you do it by Snufu · · Score: 1

      all laws are true within their context.

      So be sure to save some space on your ass for footnotes.

    190. Re:Before you do it by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      I got a tattoo 30 years ago on the spur of the moment and still show it off. So ... everyone do whatever they want and don't listen to stupid fucks like the one above. He probably plans everything out and will never ever do anything spontaneous his entire life. His wife will find him boring and run off with someone that is actually fun to be around. Or he will find an equally boring wife and the two of them will live a very safe and boring life together, finding themselves in a nursing home listening to stories from other people because they have no good ones to tell.

      If mabersold is a woman, please replace 'wife' with 'husband' and 'he' with 'she' in the paragraph above.

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    191. Re:Before you do it by fishexe · · Score: 1

      Tattoos are far from permanent. You're spreading the same kind of FUD your mother use to spread. Just remember that the next time you go off on someone for distorting the truth.

      You're right. Eventually, your body will decompose, and, Voila! No more tattoo.

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    192. Re:Before you do it by fishexe · · Score: 1

      if he was going for a big cock on his forhead, maybe $60

      Crap. I got completely ripped off on mine.

      Let me guess, you sprung for the entire sleeve of cocks.

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    193. Re:Before you do it by fishexe · · Score: 1

      As a general rule, "don't get a Chinese tattoo unless you read Chinese fluently" also works quite well.

      Great example here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUlEwISD03o

      And of course the classic Britney Spears attempt to get "mysterious" which ended up meaning "strange".

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    194. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another significant idea worth memorializing is Godel's Incompleteness Theorem...you'd have to find a form using logic notation.

      Get a tattoo of "This isn't a tattoo"

    195. Re:Before you do it by Phil06 · · Score: 0

      I have seen this lettering before too, the translation actually is "Stupid Yankee"

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    196. Re:Before you do it by uhoreg · · Score: 1
      Thank you for completely missing the point.

      there are always values for A and B for any C and viceversa for any A and B there is always a value of C.

      Yes, but thene you would be assigning specific values of a, b, and c.

      You can only say that "a^2+b^2=c^2" is a theorem if it holds for all a, b, and c. (e.g. "a^2-b^2 = (a+b)(a-b)" holds for all values of a and b). Otherwise, you need to define what a, b, and c you are talking about in order to have a complete theorem.

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    197. Re:Before you do it by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      People ask me why I have chops, "They last forever, you know". Well, I sure as hell won't last forever, none of us do. It's symbolic in coming to terms with your mortality.

      Oblig quote

      I'm gonna tell you something we have something in common.
      We're all gonna die-- no matter what you do, no matter what you do with your lives, you're dead.
      You're dead.
      You die.
      You're gonna die, all of you.
      Dead.
      You, dead.
      You, dead.
      All of you.
      You, lady, your tits will be eaten by maggots in just a few short years.
      So, here's my message, my message to you--very simple message: go forth.
      Go forth and die.

    198. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True enough. It describes the acceleration of the centroid of the closed system, acted on by a net external force. If the mass of the "important bit" is changing, that just means the centroid of the system isn't moving as fast as that part of it (the total system in this case being a car and fuel applying an unbalanced force to the road, and must include some fuel exhaust floating around somewhere, assuming it wasn't nuclear powered and actually destroyed mass). But if you're driving on Earth, then you're in a non-inertial reference frame anyhow, so it still doesn't apply unless you include all the various forces of gravity. Each of those three simple variables will become very complicated if you try to be exact, even ignoring relativity, but it would be theoretically possible to write down on a finite amount of paper.

    199. Re:Before you do it by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Uhhh... I think he meant that the graph looks like a boob.

      As an interesting item, here it is as scarification between the shoulderblades (SFW, not gruesome)

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    200. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not at all, it's just that his reference material really isn't as big as he like to think.

    201. Re:Before you do it by PublicBore · · Score: 1

      I think this points to a dichotomy of belief, in that one says, "logical thought is the only acceptable motive for action," and an other that says, "logical thought and illogical thought are acceptable motives for action." My thought is that while logical thought will produce a consistent result, it is not the sole progenitor of intelligent action. This does not address any use of the word "reasonable". But what isn't the definition of reason.

    202. Re:Before you do it by 4v4l0n42 · · Score: 1

      I would go for Euler's equation, but using Tau instead of Pi.

      e^(i*tau) = 1

      At this point, the expositor usually makes some grandiose statement about how Euler’s identity relates 0, 1, e, i, and Pi —sometimes called the “five most important numbers in mathematics”. Alert readers might then complain that, because it’s missing 0, Euler’s identity with Tau relates only four of those five. We can address this objection by noting that, since sin(Tau) = 0, we were already there:

      e^(i*tau) = 1 + 0

      This formula, without rearrangement, actually does relate the five most important numbers in mathematics: 0, 1, e, i, and Tau.

      As mathematician Bob Palais notes in his delightful article “Pi Is Wrong!”, Pi is wrong. It’s time to set things right. (More info).

      Most common question in response to this argument:

      Are you serious?
      Of course. I mean, I’m having fun with this, and the tone is occasionally lighthearted, but there is a serious purpose. Setting the circle constant equal to the circumference over the diameter is an awkward and confusing convention. Although I would love to see mathematicians change their ways, I’m not particularly worried about them; they can take care of themselves. It is the neophytes I am most worried about, for they take the brunt of the damage: as noted in Section 2.1,Pi is a pedagogical disaster. Try explaining to a twelve-year-old (or to a thirty-year-old) why the angle measure for an eighth of a circle—one slice of pizza—is Pi/8. Wait, I meant Pi/4. See what I mean? It’s madness—sheer, unadulterated madness.

    203. Re:Before you do it by Another,+completely · · Score: 1

      You're thinking like an engineer. This person is a mathematician. It's not about being useful, it's about being able to find (and prove) the answer. If you can prove what the last digit of pi is, then you will become a very famous person. Even if it doesn't help you measure the internal volume of a grain silo, it will destroy enough important theory that nobody will be able to call it irrelevant.

      Finding how rules interact is for mathematicians. Finding which rules we are playing by is for physicists. Playing the game is for engineers.

    204. Re:Before you do it by maxume · · Score: 1

      Fair enough, but I think it is fairly well understood at this point that there is no last digit (and I realize that there is 'Tell that to Copernicus and Einstein', but no, not really when it comes to decimal pi).

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    205. Re:Before you do it by Another,+completely · · Score: 1

      Yes, that's what I meant. I'm completely convinced that it does not exist. But, if it does exist, then we've made a big mistake somewhere. It would be worse than proving P = NP. Writing a proof that makes life incredibly inconvenient for as many people as possible is what wins awards in mathematics, which is another difference between mathematicians and engineers.

    206. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      E=MC^3

      ...for sufficiently small values of 3.

    207. Re:Before you do it by MoonBuggy · · Score: 1

      Get one of the best tattoo artists in your area (if not the country or world)
      Finalize a design then wait a minimum of six months to get it.

      Absolutely agreed. I'm always surprised at the number of people who just drop in to a local tattoo place - not to say that the local shop might not have some brilliant artists, just that if I'm going to have something for the next 50 or 60 years then I'm quite happy to save for a few years and fly out to the best artist I can find.

    208. Re:Before you do it by MoonBuggy · · Score: 2, Informative

      If anyone was wondering, that appears to be a Schrödinger equation.

    209. Re:Before you do it by PublicBore · · Score: 1

      If an action occurs, and upon examining this action there can be seen no logical cause, and then later when that action and its causes are explained sufficiently to be recognized both as logical, what describes the transformation of non-logic to logic?

    210. Re:Before you do it by brian0918 · · Score: 1

      Newton's Laws, for instance, are flat-out wrong.

      They are right within their context, and based on the knowledge that was used to determine them. To say that Newton's Laws are always wrong is to say that *all* laws that we have discovered - and ever will discover - are likewise flat-out wrong, for the very reasons I have already stated. Newton made observations of motion, and made conclusions based on those observations. His conclusions were right, based on what he observed. Later, we made more precise observations, and made new conclusions based on them. But Newton's conclusions were right, based on the observations.

    211. Re:Before you do it by Spacezilla · · Score: 1

      Why not just start with 3 then? :)

    212. Re:Before you do it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Wow mods, an opinion and information modded "flamebait" (50%). That's a damning indictment of your (well, half of your) insecurity about your tats. Kind of emphasizes my point.

    213. Re:Before you do it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Well, since it's going to be a part of you forever, I'd agree that it's a lifestyle choice. An illogical one, but still...

    214. Re:Before you do it by SamLJones · · Score: 1

      Then again, the reasoning for closed-book tests is usually that you won't have those books with you every time you need the info...

    215. Re:Before you do it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      a) Getting chicks/dudes

      How is a tat going to help you get laid? I find tats on women a turn off. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but certainly a negative.

      Most of the women I've gone out with lately have tats =(

      As to commemorating things, maybe... I know a few women who have done that. But I don't think it's very logical -- there are better ways of commemorating events.

      I can think of one logical reason -- to cover a scar.

    216. Re:Before you do it by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

      Remember, tastes change, but tattoos are permanent.

      But what if you tattoo your tongue?

    217. Re:Before you do it by splatter · · Score: 1

      Meat Tags

      Dog tag tattoos, alternately known as "meat tags" are growing in popularity for active U.S. soldiers. These are tattoos that are usually featured on the torso, and can be used for identification in case the deceased is otherwise unidentifiable.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_tag_(military)

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    218. Re:Before you do it by splatter · · Score: 1

      lol nice attempt to troll, but it seems the mods are smarter then you think you are.

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    219. Re:Before you do it by karnal · · Score: 1

      88 Kawasaki 454 LTD (en450, technically) - haven't ridden yet. Friend of mine brought it back to my house last night; have to go get gear tonight. Got the permit Saturday - should be fun!

      That's a nice bike by the way...

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      Karnal
    220. Re:Before you do it by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      When I was a little kid and I would tell my parents how I wanted a tattoo (of a Power Ranger or something), my mom would always say "If you had been allowed to get a tattoo of Barney when you were three, how do you think you would feel about it now that you are in Kindergarten? Wouldn't that have been a bad idea?"

      Hell fucking no it wouldn't have been a bad idea! If I had gotten that Barney tattoo all that would mean was that I was a hardcore fucking three year old. "Why do you have that Barney tattoo?" the ladies would now ask, 18 years later. "Because I kicked my way out of the fucking womb, got drunk, and socked my dad in the face before he'd even met me," I'd say, taking a drag from the Marlboro precariously resting off-kilter on my lip.

      Once again, my parents ruined my life.

    221. Re:Before you do it by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      Hm I dunno if you are getting a tattoo because you want a tattoo why not go for traditional? Tattoos exist to look badass and although you might think the things you listed are douchey or trashy, what really is the point of a tattoo in the first place? On the other hand, if you are getting a tattoo to be ironic or drive home the fact that you are a man centered around knowledge and learning, you are being extremely shortsighted and typecasting yourself as someone who loves to make fun of how twinky and nerdy they are, and while that may be funny or cute occasionally and everyone needs to laugh at themselves, I don't quite see the point of going through life being self deprecating because you like math. And before someone says "HAI DICK, THEY JUST LIKE MATH THATS WHY THEY ARE GETTING THE TATTOO" you are wrong. They get the tattoos because they are desperate for some kind of social interaction and think that by stamping themselves with something "nerdy", they will become more popular. It is like saying "hey look at me I'm a nerd and I can prove it!" and getting a few cheap laughs and girls who have no intention of sleeping with them saying "hey can I see your tattoo :*"

      No other profession except "Badass" results in people getting related tattoos. It is simply done in a pathetic way to "embrace" the whole "haha you are a nerd" thing, when in reality if you haven't grown out of that after high school then you are just as bad as the people who peaked playing football in highschool who no doubt used to beat you up before going nowhere in their life. Seriously, having a profession in the math or science field should not result in someone making self deprecating declarations in the form of tattoos just because they feel there is some sort of nerd status penis size thing they have to live up to.

    222. Re:Before you do it by TyrainDreams · · Score: 0

      Or very powerful drugs...

    223. Re:Before you do it by spazdor · · Score: 1

      How is a tat going to help you get laid? I find tats on women a turn off. Not necessarily a deal breaker, but certainly a negative.

      See what you did there? Someone who understood subjectivity would not do that.

      So, what's logical about wanting to cover a scar? Do you have some sort of sentimental or aesthetic investment in distracting people from your past injuries? Next you'll be telling me that chicks don't dig them either, since you don't dig them on said chicks.

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    224. Re:Before you do it by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Well, when you put it that way, I guess it does make sense. Didn't think of it from that perspective.

    225. Re:Before you do it by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      "Wanting to fit in" might be a reason for people to get tattoos in certain population segments (and I hypothesize that most of those are bad tattoos), but all the noise about it in here should demonstrate that for geeks this doesn't hold true.

      My point exactly. Yes, not all decicions are based on logic, but a bad decision that logic would dictate you not take is illogical, and like you say, just because something isn't logical doesn't automatically mean that it's illogical. Some decisions can't be logically made, but that doesn't mean they're made illogically.

      You can either demand his geek card, as you seem to be doing, or acknowledge possible reasons for getting a tattoo other than fitting in.

      Actually asking why a geek would want a tattoo in the first place. One logical reason might be to distance one's self from the nerd population, but I've found that getting rid of the "ass burgers" syndrome is the hardest part of that (and I've been working on that myself for years).

      I'm not saying there are no good reasons, just wondering what those reasons might be, because I can't think of any.

    226. Re:Before you do it by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. Newton's Laws, for instance, are flat-out wrong. You can use them to calculate, for instance, the distance a projectile fired from a cannon travels. The results will be close, but wrong because they don't take into account relativity, as will any calculations involving objects moving at different velocities.

      The fastest non-microscopic manmade object is the Helios 2, trucking away at up to 252,792 km/h (in a near vacuum, so you can ignore atmospheric effects). The Lorentz transform for 70220 m/s is within .000002% of being ignorable.

      If the Earth was a plane so that you could ignore curvature, and if it had no atmosphere or magnetic field or anything else that could cause drag on the projectile, and if your propellant and aiming systems and barrel and everything else is absolutely perfect, and if you launched a projectile at Helios 2's speed in a ballistic arc at a target half the Earth's circumference away: if all that is true, relativity will make you miss by less than .5 meters.

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    227. Re:Before you do it by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      There must be a joke that ends with "... I had it done 40 years ago, it's actually a greyhound!".

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    228. Re:Before you do it by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Yes, the error is tiny, but it's still there, so our theories are wrong. Good enough, certainly, but not exactly correct.

      I don't know why so many people have such a problem getting this through their thick skulls. Not exactly right == wrong. Not so wrong it's useless, of course, but still not exactly right. The only place equations are exactly right is in pure math.

    229. Re:Before you do it by alexo · · Score: 1

      Think twice. Do you *really* think this will be so important to you forever?

      Alternative: vanity license plate.

    230. Re:Before you do it by AmiMoJo · · Score: 1

      The problem with Chinese tattoos is that people don't seem to understand how the Chinese writing system works so end up getting something stupid.

      Chinese does not have "letters", it has ideograms. Each character represents an idea, from simple stuff like directions, position, size etc. to complex things like emotions and abstract concepts. The characters for most objects and complex ideas are made up of simpler characters combined, so for example "good" is made up of a woman and a child (looking after a child is good).

      Each character can be pronounced in different ways. I don't really know about Chinese but in Japanese most characters have at two pronunciations, sometimes more. When people try to write their name in Chinese they look for characters that make the sound of their name without realising what they actually mean. Again I'm not familiar with Chinese but in Japanese the character for "flower" makes the sound "hana" (like the Western name "Hanna", coincidentally also a Japanese girl's name).

      The problem is that some people pick characters that mean something stupid or even offensive.

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      SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
    231. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or a very precise measuring device

    232. Re:Before you do it by geoskd · · Score: 1

      You've obviously never met a business major..

      Or he is a business major.

      -=Geoskd

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      I wish I had a good sig, but all the good ones are copyrighted
    233. Re:Before you do it by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      O_O YES

      When I was a lad in Algebra 2, radians confused me to tears.

    234. Re:Before you do it by mangu · · Score: 1

      I sure as hell won't last forever, none of us do.

      You may die, but, unless someone makes a lampshade of your skin, your tattoos will stay with you in your grave forever.

    235. Re:Before you do it by pinkushun · · Score: 1

      Yes! Yes! That's what I'm talking about! It is an honor to be used for such exotic paraphernalia. Now *that's* immortality!

    236. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, if you're gonna get it tattoo'd, you probably want to go with the more traditional form of: e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0. This single equation shows a relationship between 5 important mathematical constants, as opposed to the other form, which just shows 3 (I don't think -1 qualifies, as i is the more fundamental).

      e^(i*Pi) = -1 is more natural and does not artificially introduce constants just to brag about the number of "fundamental constants" being used. And look! This form uses the 5 constants, too: e^(i*Pi) = 0 - 1. Is that better? I think not. Anyway, the interesting thing is what e^(i*pi) is equal to, not what equations it can be inserted into.

    237. Re:Before you do it by vidnet · · Score: 1

      e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0

      Why stop there? If you want to complicate a beautiful identity to accommodate your favourite constants, how about e^(pi*i) + 42 = 2+3+5+7+11+13

    238. Re:Before you do it by jtrainmf · · Score: 1

      Finally some equations, had to get through enough b.s. How about Heisenberg's uncertainty principle. Delta x=h/Delta p, where h is Planks constant p is momentum and x is distance. This must hold or quantum mechanics falls apart. I like the math equations above as well. Maybe Bernoulli's number would be fun too.

    239. Re:Before you do it by Thuktun · · Score: 1

      The perfect tattoo: in a single 72-point font, the last digit of Pi.

      There is not "last digit". There is, however, a small raster image of a circle built into the digits in base 11 a ways into the sequence...

    240. Re:Before you do it by FiloEleven · · Score: 1

      You seem to be describing the difference between fact and truth. Until the later discovery of logic in the cause and the act, the fact that it exists is meaningless. Once it is discovered, it can be stated that the logic was there the whole time, but it didn't become a truth, making a difference, until the discovery.

      For another example, the classic one used by William James, see Australia. The fact is that the continent has always existed in one form or another, but until it was discovered its existence was not a truth--nobody had any thoughts about it. Facts are universal, truths are individual: all of us except for those that live there knew nothing of Australia until we were told about it.

      The same goes for your hypothetical situation concerning logic. To the best of our knowledge, logic does not underlie certain actions. If we find out later that it does, we will change our thoughts correspondingly. This, pragmatism, is the same concept that gave rise to scientific thinking (though neither was labeled as such when they became known).

    241. Re:Before you do it by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      > I always feel kind of sad when I see people who have tattoos of obvious ephemera like current bands, TV shows, or internet memes. But this
      > doesn't reflect badly on all tattoos. I have a couple friends who have lived interesting lives (mostly as drifters and musicians), who have tons
      > of tattoos, all of which form a narrative of their life.

      Agreed. I knew one woman, who was at least in her mid 50s at the time, who had several tatoos and more than one of them a coverup of an ex lover's name, which is at least somewhat better than bands or TV shows, but not much.

      On the other hand, I met a nice girl who had a sleeve of sweets and candy, because she became diabetic at a young age, and wanted to have a tribute to the sweets that she has had to give up.

      As to the point about "working at McDonalds... in the back" by the grandparent.... well.. unless you go onto your hands or neck/face, then a suit should cover up any tattoos nicely. Wearing a suit to job interviews is pretty common, even for jobs that don't require a suit day to day.

      -Steve

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    242. Re:Before you do it by severoon · · Score: 1

      I was not aware of this, but I agree...pi is wrong, I'm switching to tau.

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      but have you considered the following argument: shut up.
    243. Re:Before you do it by severoon · · Score: 1

      As noted above, I'm switching to tau. Still, I thought this warranted a response. Making an equation equal zero is sensible and natural notation: x^2 - x - 1 = 0, not x^2 - x = 1 (x is the golden ratio here, another thing worth a related tattoo, maybe).

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      but have you considered the following argument: shut up.
    244. Re:Before you do it by zen-theorist · · Score: 1

      If you want equations that are exactly correct, stick to proven mathematical theorems, like a^2 + b^2 = c^2, not equations describing physics.

      I would put a P on the thumb and NP on the last two fingers. Fill in the blanks with = or != when the problem is resolved.

    245. Re:Before you do it by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      Well, you are aware that, in english, the indefinite gender defaults to male for the purposes of conversation.

      I know some people hate that, some rally against it, and some have attempted to change it, but thats the language that I learned to speak.

      Add to that, many people find it offensive to refer to a person, even of indeterminate geneder, as "it".

      Its a no win scenario, may as well pick an arbitrary assumption and go with it until evidence dictates otherwise.

      -Steve

      --
      "I opened my eyes, and everything went dark again"
    246. Re:Before you do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not e^iT = 1 ?

    247. Re:Before you do it by ntipouan · · Score: 1

      Then you should just tattoo the Laws that are most likely not going to change in your lifetime !

      Like the second law of thermodynamics.

      Also you could just use the laws that are most likely correct, and even if their truth holds approximately,
      (for example, F=ma, for small velocities and classical masses). In that way when become an old goose
      you will bare on your skin the marks of the evolution of some of the greatest mathematical equations
      of Physics.

      Now, ain't THAT something ?!

      I'd probably choose:

      *Newton's Laws of Motion.
      *The equations of Euler for the solid body
      *Maxwell's Laws of Electromagnetism, in vacuo
      *The four Laws of Thermodynamics
      *Boltzmann's equation for Entropy
      *The Lorentz Transformation Matrix
      *Einstein's equation for the Gravitational Field
      *Schrodinger's equation
      *Heisenberg's inequality
      *Pauli's exclusion principle
      *The principle of least action
      *Euler-Lagrange equation
      *Hamilton-Jacobi equation
      *Klein-Gordon equation
      *Dirac equation for the electron

      That's all about Physics, If I haven't forgot anything.

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    248. Re:Before you do it by ntipouan · · Score: 1

      Even when they change, they most likely become encapsulated
      by the new Law.

      But I have to agree that the mathematical theorems exist for ever.
      In the given axiomatic system of course.

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  3. Quite simply, by jockeys · · Score: 1

    P != NP

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    In Soviet Russia jokes are formulaic and decidedly non-humorous.
    1. Re:Quite simply, by drewhk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It is better to tattoo P=NP, because you still can modify it later, if the opposite gets proven (just strike trough the equality symbol).

    2. Re:Quite simply, by jockeys · · Score: 4, Funny

      P=NP? die, heretic scum!

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      In Soviet Russia jokes are formulaic and decidedly non-humorous.
    3. Re:Quite simply, by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      An unproved conjecture? That's too risky. Tattoos are forever!

    4. Re:Quite simply, by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Granted, there is no way P=NP, but as long as you're being a little rebellious and impractical why not take a leap of faith?

    5. Re:Quite simply, by memorycardfull · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Still further down the road you can change the N into an M and add "LIFE" to the expression.

    6. Re:Quite simply, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Err, sorry? You realize there's a million dollar prize for knowing this, and you seem awfully sure.. do tell.

    7. Re:Quite simply, by Dishevel · · Score: 1

      I thought P=NP for small enough values of N.

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      Why is it so hard to only have politicians for a few years, then have them go away?
    8. Re:Quite simply, by bitt3n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      he should get P=NP above the four knuckles of one hand, and the strike-through version on the other four knuckles

    9. Re:Quite simply, by ari_j · · Score: 1

      By the year 3000, it will be proven that P and NP are disjoint sets.

    10. Re:Quite simply, by acheron12 · · Score: 1

      There's still potential for awkwardness - they might prove it's undecidable.

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      there is no god but truth, and reality is its prophet
    11. Re:Quite simply, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no

    12. Re:Quite simply, by drewhk · · Score: 1

      Then just append the following string:

      "? Undecidable"

  4. Shannon by drewhk · · Score: 1

    The definition of information Entropy would be my choice.

    1. Re:Shannon by AstronomicUID · · Score: 1
      Speaking of entropy, I would go for (pardon my LaTeX),

      $S = k_B ln \Omega$.

      Boltzmann for the win.

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      You must write The Book, and then tear away belief. Only you can save the light of man --Gary Numan
  5. Euler's identity by butterflysrage · · Score: 5, Insightful

    0=e^(i*pi)+1

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    the preceding post was not spell checked... suck it.
    1. Re:Euler's identity by chichilalescu · · Score: 0, Redundant

      you mean $e^{i\pi} = -1$, http://xkcd.com/179/ , of course.

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    2. Re:Euler's identity by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      While factually correct, there's a certain elegance making it equate to zero.

    3. Re:Euler's identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, no he had it right before $e^{i/Pi}$ is just messed, use math not comics for reference $ [e^{i*Pi} = -1] \implies [e^{i*Pi} +1 = 0]$

    4. Re:Euler's identity by DudeTheMath · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That's why I love that particular expression: addition, multiplication, exponentiation, the additive identity, the multiplicative identity, equality, everybody's two favorite irrationals, and the imaginary unit, all in one beautiful package.

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      You save only 59 seconds over 8 miles by going 75 instead of 65. Do you really have to pass that guy? Do the Math!
    5. Re:Euler's identity by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      it was $e^{i\pi}$. it's called (La)TeX, where "\word" is the command "word", and "\pi" is the command pi, that shows the greek letter pi.

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    6. Re:Euler's identity by chichilalescu · · Score: 1

      yes, but it doesn't have negative numbers. I always loved the fact that there was a negative number too...
      I get your point though.

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      new sig
    7. Re:Euler's identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      So you're saying it would be more elegant to write E - mc^2 = 0?

    8. Re:Euler's identity by 1729 · · Score: 1

      yes, but it doesn't have negative numbers. I always loved the fact that there was a negative number too...

      e^{i * \pi} IS a negative number. A symbol doesn't need a '-' in front of it to be negative.

    9. Re:Euler's identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      best xkcd ever!

    10. Re:Euler's identity by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      At last an expression using the backslash.

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      If I had 1.5 mg of antimatter in my wallet, then if I put a dollar in it would go up like Hiroshima.

    11. Re:Euler's identity by drewhk · · Score: 1

      Too cliched for my taste. The problem is that some of the really interesting theorems are hard to summarize in a simple formula. Like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_color_theorem.

    12. Re:Euler's identity by wowbagger · · Score: 1

      "0=e^(i*pi)+1"

      Tattoo that across your chest, so you can have "Euler'ed Pecs"....

    13. Re:Euler's identity by Volante3192 · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, equaling it to zero gives you the binary numbers.

      Personally, though, it really boils down to my dislike of the "= -" bit. Just looks cluttered.

    14. Re:Euler's identity by ByteSlicer · · Score: 1

      If I had 1.5 mg of antimatter in my wallet, then if I put a dollar in it would go up like Hiroshima.

      And I suppose you'd also have a magnetic containment trap in your wallet to keep the antimatter from touching the (matter) walls?

    15. Re:Euler's identity by BoppreH · · Score: 1

      Did you mean:
      e^(i*tau)=1

    16. Re:Euler's identity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      thank you! I'm actually probably going to get this one sometime this fall.

      And its important that you write it that way (some books say e^{i*pi} =-1) As written by the parent, the identity clearly contains whare are (without a doubt) the 5 most important constants: 0, 1, e, pi, i as well as the most important binary operator "+" and relation "="

    17. Re:Euler's identity by buchner.johannes · · Score: 1

      General relativity has some simple but expressive formulas.

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      NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
    18. Re:Euler's identity by wild_berry · · Score: 1

      Good call, but bested by a Penrose Tiling.

  6. Euler's Identity, Entropy & Gaussian Distribut by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Personally, I've always enjoyed the beauty of Euler's identity, any form of Gaussian (normal) distribution which has a standard form here and entropy in regards to information theory. Of course, these are just personal favorites -- the last two because I am a computer scientist with so much college work hinging on them. You probably have personal favorites in chemistry or physics or another field even. Honestly, the loan formula is probably one of the most widely used and life changing formulas in the United States today -- especially given the recent financial crisis. I think it would be best for you to draw up your own formulas in a geometric display rather than someone else's symbols. I suppose that would require extreme precision on the end of the artist and also introduce interesting problems with the elasticity of your skin ... but I'm one for originality especially if you're about to mark yourself in a relatively permanent way.

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  7. obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Put all of the good stuff together: e to the i*pi = -1

  8. Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Ed+Bugg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you don't know what you want then just wait until you do. One of the worst things you can do for a tattoo is ask what other people think you should get. You'll end up with something that they want and it may be cool now but years down the road it won't mean anything to you.

    Tattoo's are suppose to be for life. If it's something that you foresee down the road that you'll not be interested in and go "why did I ever do that, ugh that's so yesterday" it wasn't a very good idea.

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    -- Ed Bugg --You have freedom of choice, but not of consequences.--
    1. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      exactly what i was thinking, whats the point if ur just getting ur opinions from other ppl. tattoos r all about u, not what other ppl think or want. ultimately a sweet idea tho just never get an opinion from someone else i think that defeats the purpose of a tattoo. YOU shuld have YOUR favorite equations (ones that have some actual meaning in ur life)

    2. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Why is remembering an embarassing moment from your past a bad thing? So you went to TJ at 15 and got a Toad the Wet Sprocket tattoo on your thigh. You were having the time of your 15 year old life! Just because you're 37 now you prefer to deny you were ever younger? Everyone that pushed you through into adulthood misled you to think those were wasted years.

    3. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Do you discount ever asking people's opinions on non-technical issues? Sure, the semi-permanence is a factor, but your argument applies to pretty much anything. When I went to buy a house -- which is a fairly big commitment -- I liked having my dad's (and others') opinion; when I go clothes shopping, it's much better having friend along whose tastes you trust; if I want to get a tattoo, there's nothing wrong with asking for ideas. I don't think asking slashdot is going to lead to him feeling peer pressure to get certain tattoos suggested here, which seems to be what you're getting at.

      In fact, I've been thinking of getting a math related tattoo for a while now and just haven't had the perfect thing come up. My two ideas that I've been trying to develop are something involving the unit circle -- and perhaps its relationship to the Fourier transform, or waveforms and therefore music -- and maybe a diagram related to harmonic partitioning.

    4. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's perfectly acceptable to use proper spelling here at slashdot. Honest! We won't berate you for doing so.

    5. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree. And in that way I think it's pretty cool if you have 'Sarah' on your left shoulder for life regardless you broke up with her 10 years ago. Your current girlfriend might see it the other way though...

      I guess a math tattoo would be funny. Only a nerd would get one. A frickin' rock'n'roll nerd.

    6. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree 100% with this. A tattoo is a long-term thing, so it should probably mean something to you. There have been points in my life when I've thought, "I'd like to get a tattoo of..." My policy has been to put it off a year and see if it's still important to me. So far, I haven't had any ink done. People change, tattoos are static.

      If you're asking other people what you should put on your body, it's a good sign you shouldn't do it.

    7. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      I came here to say this. If you have to ask, you should not get one. I have 2 of them and have four simple bits of advice for anyone that contemplates getting one:

      1. Don't get one.
      2. A tattoo needs to be a personal decision based on *zero* input from others.
      3. Assume that no one will ever see it. Do you still want one?
      4. In hindsight, after a while, you will probably not even notice that you have a tattoo. You don't have the benefit of hindsight today. Do you still want one?

      As you can see, I think a negative attitude is a healthy attitude in the decision making process.

    8. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This. Doing stupid things is a privilege. The stupid shit you did back when you were younger will be your most favorite memories. I pity everyone who has nothing to regret.

    9. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that your prejudices are so strong that you cnnot even shake them with direct experience.

      To think anything specific about someone who choses to decorate their body that way is certainly doing you more of a disservice in your interactions with them than the reverse.

      I have to wonder why you are afraid of this type of expression.

      Regards.

    10. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      ask what other people think you should get. You'll end up with something that they want and it may be cool now but years down the road it won't mean anything to you.

      It'll remind you of when you were younger and cared a lot about what other people thought and how you really wanted to be cool.

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    11. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      Speaking of foresight, if you're planning to get a belly tattoo, ask the tattooer (tattooist?) to inscribe on a concave projection. That way, you have insurance against the inevitable middle-age beergut ;-]

    12. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by fishexe · · Score: 1

      If it's something that you foresee down the road that you'll not be interested in and go "why did I ever do that, ugh that's so yesterday" it wasn't a very good idea.

      I don't foresee that being a problem...

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    13. Re:Don't ask for other people's opinions. by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      The guy in the article should get the above post as a tattoo because it proves that networking wormholes are real as predicted by Stephen Hawking! In this example, a post meant for Myspace in the year 2004 has found it's way through space and time to here!

  9. the empty set by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The coolest math tattoo you could get would be nothing at all. Just hold up your arm and say "it's the empty set" and have them marvel at your coolness.

    Seriously, tattoos are lame. Resist the urge. It's going to be an ugly green smear you will regrat.

    1. Re:the empty set by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 1

      Seconded

    2. Re:the empty set by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      The empty set has a symbol too, you know...

    3. Re:the empty set by atrain728 · · Score: 1

      I agree. Truly a regrattable decision.

    4. Re:the empty set by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Seriously, tattoos are lame.

      Tattoos aren't in and of themselves lame. People get all sort of lame tattoos, however. There's an awful lot of really beautiful stuff out there too.

      It's going to be an ugly green smear you will regrat (sic).

      You're largely thinking of low-quality ones done in pen ink by some guy in a back room. Those tend to be real crap jobs that over time look like shit.

      Modern tattoos done by a qualified artist are an entirely different animal in terms of how they look, and how they hold up over time.

      And, really, if the sum total you have to add is "tattoos are lame", why are you even bothering to comment? You obviously have nothing better to contribute to the topic.

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    5. Re:the empty set by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Well, then how about pie? Everybody likes pie.

    6. Re:the empty set by morphotomy · · Score: 1

      Yea seriously whats wrong with a plain ol geeky tee shirt?

    7. Re:the empty set by digitalsushi · · Score: 1

      Agreed -- just imagine doing the proof on anything else and discovering the tattoo had an invalid predicate!

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    8. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He bothered comment to say tattoos are lame. Which they are.

    9. Re:the empty set by Lifyre · · Score: 1

      Thank god there is a sane opinion out here. Most people on /. are either afraid of the needle or thinking of prison tats and lash out at the idea.

      The biggest problem with tattoos is that the tend to viewed as less professional, it is the only reason why I don't have a sleeve myself. Granted I wouldn't get a conglomeration of images or equations for a sleeve but I think they can look amazing. I especially like the black and skin contrasts.

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    10. Re:the empty set by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

      The coolest math tattoo you could get would be nothing at all. Just hold up your arm and say "it's the empty set" and have them marvel at your coolness.

      Seriously, tattoos are lame. Resist the urge. It's going to be an ugly green smear you will regrat.

      Citation needed.

      You know what's lame? Condescension toward strange and different cultures. I would ask that you resist the urge to commit further transgressions of jackassery. Lest ye be considered an ugly green smear on society.

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    11. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, tattoos are lame.

      But how can I show my individuality by not doing what everyone else does!

      I wanna do what everyone else does!

      Tattoos are lame, and the freaks with sleeves and facial tattos that don't fully understand the repercussion of it and bitch how they have a hard time get ting a job are just morons.

      If you understand you are making your life harder, but still want it, Cool for you. But don't get it and then bitch later, it just shows the rest of us you are a complete idiot.

    12. Re:the empty set by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem with tattoos is that the tend to viewed as less professional, it is the only reason why I don't have a sleeve myself.

      Indeed. Lots of people rush to the sleeve, because that's the most visible thing they can find. Even as someone with tattoos, a sleeve is a little too ever-present for me. It's a cool notion, but people don't always react well. Those who don't know about tattoos don't always see a sleeve and see good imagery, so they may unfairly judge you.

      My rule is if long pants and a golf shirt will cover them, you're OK, and don't run the risk of being perceived as scary to people.

      There's definitely a knee-jerk reaction going on around here about tats.

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    13. Re:the empty set by xednieht · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting a tatto in 2010. Want to do something more rewarding personally and socially... sponsor a child's education in a third world country. Bring math to another mind.

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    14. Re:the empty set by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Since when did getting a math equation tattoo become a culture?

    15. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speak for yourself. IMHO tattoos are like smoking: Very hard to get rid of and while they're with you, you've got the unattractive mark of obviously being an idiot. When I see people with tattoos, their immediate behavior usually matches the stereotype (vulgar, etc.). Not once have I thought "I want to be like them". A geeky tattoo makes you a geeky idiot, but an idiot nonetheless.

    16. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    17. Re:the empty set by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

      Since when did getting a math equation tattoo become a culture?

      I know you are just being a sad little troll, but I will attempt to correct your bad reading comprehension:

      Seriously, tattoos are lame.

      This implies that all tattoos are lame. From my limited research it seems to me that tattoos are an art form of which the Western adoption stems from a specific culture, the Maori people.

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    18. Re:the empty set by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      I know you are just being a sad little troll

      Ooooh I'm sooo hurt by this lame ass name calling.

    19. Re:the empty set by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

      Must suck being wrong! TEE-HEE!

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    20. Re:the empty set by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      Yes. Because all cultures are equal.

      Oh wait. I call bullshit. Some things are stupid. It dose not make it an untouchable idea just because it is a mistake from a different culture.

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    21. Re:the empty set by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      You're largely thinking of low-quality ones done in pen ink by some guy in a back room. Those tend to be real crap jobs that over time look like shit.

      I took a woman to dinner last week and she mentioned going to visit the tattoo artist. I asked "for God's sake WHY??" She said the colors were fading on the one she had on her ankle that I'd not noticed before. The colors were indeed fading, but the artistry was excellent and none of the ink had smeared. But it still hadn't held up.

      I don't know how long she's had the tattoo, she's pushing 50 years old so it could have been a while.

      And, really, if the sum total you have to add is "tattoos are lame", why are you even bothering to comment?

      Perhaps to talk sense into someone who hasn't got a tattoo but is thinking about it?

    22. Re:the empty set by Surt · · Score: 1

      Right, but why get a tattoo of the symbol when you can get a tattoo of the realization so much cheaper?

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    23. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When does that happen? I've had mine for over 20 years now. Still don't regret it and it's still legible.

    24. Re:the empty set by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Tattoos aren't in and of themselves lame. People get all sort of lame tattoos, however. There's an awful lot of really beautiful stuff out there too.

      I couldn't agree more, though what you said seems to be lost on most folks here. Yeah, a "tramp stamp" of a dolphin on an already trashy-looking slut who has never seen the ocean is obviously a bad idea, and skulls and daggers look dumb unless you are actually a hardcore biker or something. But if you have a neat idea, get a good artist, and put it in the right spot, tattoos can be really cool. Just make sure it is unique, will be well drawn and shaded by a professional with a good portfolio, and doesn't consist of a language you can't read or anything "tribal," and you are on the right track. And a first tattoo should definitely be somewhere that is covered by a short-sleeved shirt, just in case of any regrets.

      My final advice: NO neck tattoos, unless you are a bona fide thug, and no murals of wolves or poems you wrote.

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    25. Re:the empty set by icantbemiyu · · Score: 1

      The biggest problem with tattoos is that the tend to viewed as less professional, it is the only reason why I don't have a sleeve myself.

      When I got my bubble chamber tat on my wrist, I got it there because I wanted to keep myself out of corporate america. I'd rather be on the ground floor doing the work. I figured this would help me stay out of the rat race. I will let you know how it is working out in 6 months when my resignation comes up and I go back to school fulltime.

    26. Re:the empty set by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Tattoos aren't in and of themselves lame. People get all sort of lame tattoos, however. There's an awful lot of really beautiful stuff out there too.

      90% of everything is crud. I wish haters would understand that.

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    27. Re:the empty set by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes. Because all cultures are equal.

      Oh wait. I call bullshit. Some things are stupid. It dose not make it an untouchable idea just because it is a mistake from a different culture.

      I certainly smell bullshit. The word "bigot" comes to mind when I try to classify your closed-mindedness. The only thing you've proven with your response is your complete ignorance in the field of the arts. Just about the only judgment inappropriate for art is that it is stupid.

      But hey, thanks for letting us all know how awesome you aren't!

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    28. Re:the empty set by morari · · Score: 1

      Tattoos only become green smears when cheap ink is used. A lot of know-nothing scratchers use Indian Ink, which always fades into a blue or green tint. If you think that tattoos are lame, that's fine. Your possible reasoning however seems flawed and based entirely upon unskilled, inexpensive applications of the trade.

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    29. Re:the empty set by Paul+Jakma · · Score: 1

      I'm curious. Exactly how do you know what tattoos by modern artists, which presumably implies contemporary and recent, will look like way in the future? Do you think that perhaps the artists who made those old tattoos that now look like ugly green smears perhaps were once modern artists themselves?

      I suspect your comment might be one of the most unintentionally insightful comments ever on why people get tattoos and why some eventually regret them.

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    30. Re:the empty set by zill · · Score: 1

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting a tatto in 2010.

      What about a tatto that says "I'm a sheep"?

    31. Re:the empty set by SpyPlane · · Score: 1

      Seriously, tattoos are lame.

      Tattoos aren't in and of themselves lame. People get all sort of lame tattoos, however. There's an awful lot of really beautiful stuff out there too.

      It's going to be an ugly green smear you will regrat (sic).

      You're largely thinking of low-quality ones done in pen ink by some guy in a back room. Those tend to be real crap jobs that over time look like shit.

      Modern tattoos done by a qualified artist are an entirely different animal in terms of how they look, and how they hold up over time.

      And, really, if the sum total you have to add is "tattoos are lame", why are you even bothering to comment? You obviously have nothing better to contribute to the topic.

      Wow, finally someone with sense. I got a full sleeve last year, and I'm still the same nerdy software engineer I always was, making good money at my same job. The only difference now is I get a ton of people coming up to me starting conversations about my tattoo when before I was treated like any other software engineer who got ignored. Everyone at my work is cool with it, and I never wear long sleeve shirts. Would you really want to work at a place that cared about what you looked like anyway??

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    32. Re:the empty set by Gabrosin · · Score: 1

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting a tatto in 2010. Want to do something more rewarding personally and socially... sponsor a child's education in a third world country. Bring math to another mind.

      And then, you can get a tattoo of that child, so you have something to brag about to everyone at parties!

    33. Re:the empty set by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      No no. You see, a guy's a sheep only if he does something that's good for him. Anything self-destructive is "creative expression" or a "lifestyle choice". /snert

    34. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are bringing the mathematics to a another mind by educating yourself about the meaning of the math tattoo and then explaining the subject to the curious at the parties. There is obviously a possible downside to this approach but that is left as an exercise to the reader.

    35. Re:the empty set by Dishevel · · Score: 1
      What was bigoted? The fact that something coming from a different culture dos not in my mind change the value of that thing makes me bigoted?

      My thoughts are that if something coming from a different culture automatically makes it ok not matter what or horrible no matter what then that is bigoted.

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    36. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting a tatto in 2010.

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like being rabidly anti-tattoo on slashdot.

      Want to do something more rewarding personally and socially... sponsor a child's education in a third world country. Bring math to another mind.

      You can do both. I guess conjuring up images of third world children is a good way to get yourself modded up even though it has nothing to do with the subject.

    37. Re:the empty set by ajlisows · · Score: 1

      While sponsoring a child's education in a third world country is indeed something nice you are doing to society....that doesn't really seem to be on the table here. The GP wants to do something for himself.

      I don't think getting a tattoo nowadays screams "I'm a sheep". Maybe he really likes the idea of getting one. Nothing wrong with that. And no, I do not have a single tattoo.

    38. Re:the empty set by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      He was talking about culture in general, not about tats themselves. Though that was the subject, he is right in some respects.
      Look at Iran and well, the middle east. Their treatment of women is/was a cultural issue, and is slowly being remedied. Killing/maiming a woman is never an alternative.

      A Bigot is by very definition a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. If you want to create a blanket statement and use the powerful word bigot for such a small purpose, by very definition then by your thoughts the entire world is a bigot.

      Note: I love tats.

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    39. Re:the empty set by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting a tatto in 2010.

      You could put that into a script and just go all day...

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like buying a camry in 2010.
      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like buying life insurance in 2010.
      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like ordering Jenny Craig in 2010.
      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like watching Reality Television in 2010.
      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting an earring that's what you love in 2010.
      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting a finger ring that you love in 2010.

      It loses it's charm after a while, doesn't it? Oddly enough, it's what I heard when you said that.
      It's best to not act like you're Morpheus, helping people get out of the cage.

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    40. Re:the empty set by Jake+Griffin · · Score: 1

      I especially like the black and skin contrasts.

      My skin IS black you insensitive clod!

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    41. Re:the empty set by Lunzo · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't do any of those things in your list by choice. And I certainly wouldn't do them to fit in with other people.

    42. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      does that mean I'm not a sheep cause I got my tattoo in 2000?

    43. Re:the empty set by prosmart · · Score: 1

      Q. Anyone know the difference between people who have tattoos and those who don't?

      A. We don't mind you not having them.

    44. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nothing screams (or bleats) "I'm a sheep" like getting a tatto in 2010...

      Nope, that would be 1990. In 2010 nothing screams "I'm a sheep" like getting an iPhone/iPad/iWhatever.

    45. Re:the empty set by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Ahh, gotta love it when a response that's on the same, firm logical ground as "eat all your food or a starving African child will be sad" gets modded up as insightful...

      BTW, what are you doing wasting all this time on Slashdot? Shouldn't you be teaching math to some poor child somewhere? Quit wasting time and snap to it, bucko!

    46. Re:the empty set by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      I'm sure xednieht lives in a one room studio with four other people to save all his money, lives only on water and basic nutrition, and then sends all the extra money he makes to poor people. If he doesn't, then he is a hypocrite for telling anyone else how to live their lives.

      Bugger off ... I'll spend the money I make and the time I have however I want to.

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    47. Re:the empty set by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Truly a regrattable decision.

      I see what you did there.

      Just be sure to keep it clean till it heals over.

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    48. Re:the empty set by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah it's culturally condescending to think tattoos are stupid. Actually this makes sense; all those white guys with tattoos like to think of themselves as being a different culture then those "straight edge" white folk who don't get tattoos. I can just see them living out a Hanes ad except instead of Michael Jordan it's some random black guy they meet on the street and instead of bonding over the fact they both wear Hanes, the white guy desperately tries to explain why he's actually more like a black guy than other white men thanks to his tattoos, as a very bemused African American tries to offer him money so he goes away.

    49. Re:the empty set by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

      What was bigoted? The fact that something coming from a different culture dos not in my mind change the value of that thing makes me bigoted?

      My thoughts are that if something coming from a different culture automatically makes it ok not matter what or horrible no matter what then that is bigoted.

      Clearly, the act of being intolerant of other cultures is what makes you bigoted. Of course, here on /. is the only place one would ever need to explain that to a bigot.

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    50. Re:the empty set by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah it's culturally condescending to think tattoos are stupid. Actually this makes sense; all those white guys with tattoos like to think of themselves as being a different culture then those "straight edge" white folk who don't get tattoos. I can just see them living out a Hanes ad except instead of Michael Jordan it's some random black guy they meet on the street and instead of bonding over the fact they both wear Hanes, the white guy desperately tries to explain why he's actually more like a black guy than other white men thanks to his tattoos, as a very bemused African American tries to offer him money so he goes away.

      Really? I didn't realize there were a lot of African Americans in the Polynesian islands.

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    51. Re:the empty set by ground.zero.612 · · Score: 1

      He was talking about culture in general, not about tats themselves. Though that was the subject, he is right in some respects. Look at Iran and well, the middle east. Their treatment of women is/was a cultural issue, and is slowly being remedied. Killing/maiming a woman is never an alternative.

      A Bigot is by very definition a prejudiced person who is intolerant of any opinions differing from his own. If you want to create a blanket statement and use the powerful word bigot for such a small purpose, by very definition then by your thoughts the entire world is a bigot.

      Note: I love tats.

      The word is tattoo. Please, never say "tat" again. Tattoos are cultural. The art form originates from a specific culture. Saying tattoos are stupid is showing bigotry toward the Maori and every subsequent culture to adopt the art of tattooing. I think "bigot" is the correct word, if not, I'm open to alternative suggestions.

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    52. Re:the empty set by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless your skin is Black Ink black you would be surprised how amazing Black ink looks any any color skin. Just saying.

  10. Bad idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Bad idea. People will think you cheated on the exams.

  11. This one by AdamTrace · · Score: 0, Redundant
  12. Classic by Kranerian · · Score: 1

    E=MC^2 is the classic, possibly to the point of being cliche. Your call.

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    1. Re:Classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Energy isn't 1 megacoulomb squared.

    2. Re:Classic by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Only if you're someone who dropped out of physics before you actually got to covering relativity. For everyone else, including the last two terms in the equation is quite important.

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    3. Re:Classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're going to be a self-righteous cock, at least cite why you think he's wrong.

  13. Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by EMB+Numbers · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You definitely want Quaternions and Euler Angles:
    The story behind Quaternions justifies permanent ink if any math theorem ever did: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternion

    1. Re:Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clifford Algebra has more generic across dimensions and includes quaternions as a subset.

    2. Re:Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by vivian · · Score: 1

      Hell just derive quaternions from scratch and then write a program to use them to implement some kind of armature system. That should leave plenty of scars on your brain - no need for a tattoo at all!

    3. Re:Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quaternions sure, but Euler angles? Here's a passage from Szeliski's new computer vision book:

      A rotation matrix can be formed as the product of three rotations around three cardinal axes, e.g.,
      x, y, and z, or x, y, and x. This is generally a bad idea, at the result depends on the order in
      which the transforms are applied. What is worse, it is not always possible to move smoothly in the
      parameter space, i.e., sometimes one or more of the Euler angles change dramatically in response
      to a small change in rotation. (In robotics, this is sometimes referred to as gimbal lock.) For these reasons, we do not even give the formula for Euler angles in this book.

      ["at" seems to be a typo---he is still writing the book]

    4. Re:Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by Slutticus · · Score: 0

      The sum of a scalar and a vector? Now you're just making stuff up...

    5. Re:Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by shadowrat · · Score: 1

      A quaternion tattoo? The dude is going to look like such a poser! A REAL lover of quaternions would have them carved into their flesh with a pen knife. preferably the carving would be done under a bridge.

    6. Re:Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by lennier · · Score: 1

      He got the vector, he got the versor
      He got the scalar, he got the tensor
      He got the nabla, he got imaginary space
      In the science of pure time algebra

      His math be sweeter than Levi-Civita
      Gibbs and Heaviside just threw him aside
      Minkowski went hyperbolic, he couldn't handle him
      But let's hear it for my homeboy Hamilton

      i squared is j squared is k squared is ijk
      i squared is j squared is k squared is ijk
      i squared is j squared is k squared is ijk
      negative one forever baby

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    7. Re:Quaternions and Euler Angles!!! by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      How about don't get a tattoo and then tell everyone observing it that their observation has changed the outcome of the tattoo and in fact you didn't get one, but only because everyone looked

  14. Fermat's last theorem... by malakai · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Cubum autem in duos cubos, aut quadratoquadratum in duos quadratoquadratos, et generaliter nullam in infinitum ultra quadratum potestatem in duos eiusdem nominis fas est dividere cuius rei demonstrationem mirabilem sane detexi. Hanc BRACCHIUMis exiguitas non caperet.

    with one small change...

    1. Re:Fermat's last theorem... by cnoocy · · Score: 1

      The genitive of bracchium is bracchii or bracchi, not bracchiumis.

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    2. Re:Fermat's last theorem... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Totally agree:

      It is impossible for a cube to be the sum of two cubes, a fourth power to be the sum of two fourth powers, or in general for any number that is a power greater than the second to be the sum of two like powers. I have discovered a truly marvelous demonstration of this proposition that this sleeve is too narrow to contain.

  15. why? by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 0, Troll

    I don't get it. Why would you want to do this? Is it to be able to cheat at physics exam?

    1. Re:why? by interiot · · Score: 1

      Tattoos are (nearly) eternal, so you you want to choose a tattoo that will keep its meaning and significance for a long time. Physics equations are ideal because, not only are they unlikely to change, but they've been in effect long before they were discovered by humans. They're older than diamonds -- something else that people like to adorn themselves with because they're important and "timeless".

    2. Re:why? by bmearns · · Score: 1

      I think the best tattoos (best meaning least likely to lead to regret, not most likely to entertain or get you laid) are of things about which you're just slightly on the positive side of ambivalence. Passion burns hot, but often quickly; getting a tattoo of something you're really into right now---your boyfriend/girlfriend, favorite band, the eye-on-pyramid motif---is clearly a bad idea. I would imagine an interest in science and mathematics is going to outlast most other passions, but I'd still be reluctant to wear it so literally on my sleeve. Maybe it won't be your interest in math or science that wanes, but your interest in tattoos.

      Ignoring what I just said, if you're a programmer NULL and VOID would make a good set of knuckle tattoos.

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  16. Beta mu pi... by WilyCoder · · Score: 4, Funny

    In the greek alphabet:

    beta mu pi integral of e^x

    which gives you

    ButtSex

    1. Re:Beta mu pi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ... equals "F (union) N"

    2. Re:Beta mu pi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But he probably already gets that, seeing how he is getting sleeve tattoos.

      What woman could resist giving up a brown-eye for that?!?

    3. Re:Beta mu pi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      beta mu pi integral of e^x

      You forgot the dx! D:<

    4. Re:Beta mu pi... by bsDaemon · · Score: 1

      sigma delta tau mu sigma

    5. Re:Beta mu pi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      similarly:

      The integral of e raised to the xth power equals a function of u raised to the xth power.

      Write it out, you'll get it.

    6. Re:Beta mu pi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or

      integral e^x = f(mu * Normal)

      works well when you use the fancy f for function

      Sex = F(uN)

    7. Re:Beta mu pi... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      But what if he's not gay?

    8. Re:Beta mu pi... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ButtSexdx?

  17. Good on you! by wombatmobile · · Score: 1

    Math and science tattoos are a great idea! So many people have tattoos these days but they are lame. Yours will be great. I hope they catch on (but only amongst a small elite of cool people).

    1. Re:Good on you! by Simmeh · · Score: 1

      Yeah good luck and don't forget sometimes simpler is better.

  18. Darwin Awards by Wonko+the+Sane · · Score: 0, Troll

    If doing this prevented a person from ever reproducing would it qualify?

    1. Re:Darwin Awards by atrain728 · · Score: 1

      I'd say his chances, like 1/x as x approaches infinity, are already approaching zero.

    2. Re:Darwin Awards by molecular · · Score: 1

      If doing this prevented a person from ever reproducing would it qualify?

      good question

      from the Darwin Award site:

      Nominees significantly improve the gene pool by eliminating themselves from the human race in an obviously stupid way.

      By this definition, it wouldn't qualify, because he's not "eliminating himself", just his offspring.

      It's debatable wether or not such a tatoo is "obviously stupid". Since it's debatable, it can't be obvious, therefore he wouldn't clearly improve the gene-pool.

      So the answer is probably no, but nice idea!

      Maybe the process of tatooing "all known interesting math stuff" on his body would kill him... that would certainly qualify him for a darwin award.

    3. Re:Darwin Awards by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      "Hey guys, I got a dissertation explaining the concept behind discrete logarithms tattooed above my junk because as far as we can tell, this discrete log is always hard!!!"

      By our calculations the sun would have consumed the earth before that man even had a chance of getting laid.

      Oh well he'd probably insist that he'd have gotten screwed if he'd just given out his private key; the private key of course being the key to unlock his privates from the chastity belt he's wearing for some punrelated reason.

      Seriously though he's way too cryptic no woman would go for that. Except maybe Eve; she's crazy too, always trying to listen in on people's conversations. He actually had her one time at his pad. They smoked some hash but it just made him exponentially more secretive.

  19. Cellular Automata by AaronLS · · Score: 1

    I would include a glider from John Conway's Game of Life

    1. Re:Cellular Automata by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Seconded for awesomeness, but the dude asked for math and science. Com Sci is slightly tangent.

    2. Re:Cellular Automata by Xanthas · · Score: 1

      Computer Science is in fact science. Just because many people got taught by engineers does not mean this is not so.

  20. realmen by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know we are now nerd chique times but I still am never going to find equations cool. Get an anchor or at tattoo with the word mum and be a real man !

  21. For the Pure Mathematician... by nevhan · · Score: 1

    The equation relating the Riemann Zeta Function to the Bernoulli Numbers!

    1. Re:For the Pure Mathematician... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The equation relating the Riemann Zeta Function to the Bernoulli Numbers!

      Bernoulli's Triangles!

  22. Slashdot Desperation Stories: +1, Plusvomit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nice try Slashdot.

    You obviously got the story from
    Tatoos For Lamerz.

    You may now return to listening to commercial radio, a.k.a. N.P.R..

    Yours In Krasnovarsk,
    Kilgore Trout, Esq.

  23. obligatory by Kranerian · · Score: 1
    --
    Do you have any idea how long it takes to dig graves for twenty-three oak trees?
    1. Re:obligatory by rwa2 · · Score: 1

      Also, not to dissuade you or anything, but beware the risks: http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2009/02/10/121-funny-or-ironic-tattoos/

    2. Re:obligatory by eyrieowl · · Score: 1

      More useful: http://xkcd.com/207/ Ackerman's function with graham's number.

  24. Another hipster poser by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Getting all "inked up" because it's the trendy thing to do, and it'll make you look "bad ass" despite the fact you'd piss yourself before a real fight.

    Here's a suggestion: stop being the attention whore you obviously are, and actually learn what Maxwell's equations mean instead of covering your scrawny arms with something you can't understand.

  25. Dude! by CranberryKing · · Score: 1

    Get one of those Fibonacci nautilus shells on the small of your back where chicks usually get butterflys!

    1. Re:Dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, by all means! Tramp stamps on guys is teh new hotness!

    2. Re:Dude! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Get one of those Fibonacci nautilus shells on the small of your back where chicks usually get butterflys!

      Better that that than a double helix, I suppose... NTTAWWT.

    3. Re:Dude! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      Yes, by all means! Tramp stamps on guys is teh new hotness!

      No word of a lie, I have seen bodybuilders with tribal tramp stamps. :-P

      Utterly hilarious.

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    4. Re:Dude! by demonlapin · · Score: 1

      Better that that than a double helix

      Yeah, most people I've seen with a tramp stamp get plenty of DNA dropped on the spot.

  26. Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Tattoos hurt, they endanger your health, they are expensive, and most of all they are superficial. AKA they are for looks only.
    Gee... At one time only drunk sailors thought this was a good idea and now you want to show how geeky you are with them?
    Might I suggest Philosophiæ Naturalis Principia Mathematica the full text of course.
    Bazinga!

    --
    See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    1. Re:Let me see. by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Tattoos hurt, they endanger your health, they are expensive, and most of all they are superficial. AKA they are for looks only.

      OK, yes, they hurt. That's true.

      As far as endangering your health, it means you're going to the wrong damned shop. Any tattoo place that doesn't have an autoclave, and single-use needles should cause you to flee. I've never seen an artist not using latex gloves, not using sterile gear, and not using ink in little disposable cup that get tossed when they're done. Any modern shop is actually very clean, and if it isn't, don't go there.

      As to being purely superficial, lots of people get tattoos that have a strong meaning to them (and, admittedly, lots don't). Some people get tattoos so that other people can see them and say "wow, he's got a tattoo, cool". Others get them entirely for themselves -- you can't see any of mine unless I want them to be seen. You're making absurd generalizations -- if 40% of Gen-Xers are sporting ink, there's almost no generalization you can accurately make about why people get them.

      Somehow I knew a story about tattoos on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic. Now everybody gets to make categorical statements they can't support with anything but opinion.

      Not everything outside of your experience is bad, or stupid. Just something you don't know about.

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    2. Re:Let me see. by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think by "superficial", he means that they are purely decorative - even if of some sentimental value to the wearer.

      And this is true, but I wouldn't tell someone not to wear their wedding ring just because it is superficial.

      I'd be much more concerned about the expense of laser removal once the tattoo fad passes.

      And if you don't think that this is a fashion fad, may I interest you in some vintage mid-90s facial piercings? You'll never need cosmetic earlobe repair surgery, because giant, comical rings embedded in your earlobes will be cool forever.

      --
      W..w..W - Willy Waterloo washes Warren Wiggins who is washing Waldo Woo.
    3. Re:Let me see. by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >As to being purely superficial, lots of people get tattoos that have a strong meaning to them (and, admittedly, lots don't).

      So? That breakup with that one girl has a pretty strong meaning, but it doesn't mean you should permanently remind yourself of it on your skin. There's no shortage of regrettable ink that starts with the phrase "This meant a lot to me."

      Strong feelings or "deep meaning" don't necessarily justify anything.

      >Somehow I knew a story about tattoos on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic.

      Or it would attract know-it-alls who would come in the thread and be dismissive without adding to the discussion. Kudos to you!

    4. Re:Let me see. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      So? That breakup with that one girl has a pretty strong meaning, but it doesn't mean you should permanently remind yourself of it on your skin.

      Well, the way you choose to remember something is up to you. Yes, it can lead to some ugly ass tattoos. But, it also doesn't mean that every person who gets a tattoo rushes in and gets some ink they didn't think through or later end up regretting.

      Or it would attract know-it-alls who would come in the thread and be dismissive without adding to the discussion. Kudos to you!

      *laugh* Whatever there skippy. See, I'm NOT defending every tattoo by everyone who has ever had one. Way too many stupid people have gotten tattoos for me to deny that fact. But, nobody needs to justify their getting a tattoo to you.

      I'm simply pointing out that for a lot of people, getting ink is something they think about, and which the result has meaning for them. It's not an all or nothing "every body with a tattoo is a doodie head because I say so", which is about what some people are saying around here.

      Saying "all tattooing is stupid" or "nobody ever gets a meaningful tattoo" or "all tattoos will get you hep C" is basically the kind of statements I'm talking about as being pointless, because it's largely uninformed drivel by people who don't actually know anything about tattooing.

      Way to ignore the rest of what I wrote.

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    5. Re:Let me see. by Mab_Mass · · Score: 1

      Somehow I knew a story about tattoos on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic. Now everybody gets to make categorical statements they can't support with anything but opinion.

      In other words, just another day here on Slashdot...

    6. Re:Let me see. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      In other words, just another day here on Slashdot...

      Well, yeah. :-P

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      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    7. Re:Let me see. by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      And this is true, but I wouldn't tell someone not to wear their wedding ring just because it is superficial.

      Of course not, because it can be easily removed. You'd assume they would make that decision for themselves, e.g. after a divorce.

      Tattoos - not so much.

    8. Re:Let me see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      100% Agreed. To the O.P. : I am thinking about the local form of Maxwell's equations myself, but only if the magnetic monopoles existence is confirmed.
      They would be much more symmetrical then, and way more awesome :P

      To people who claimed tattoos were superficial: they can be if you're getting a butterfly or a tram stamp. That's not what the OP is talking about. He's talking about a lifetime
      statement about beauty that is not apparent to non geeks. The kind of beauty true geeks should be sensitive to.

      To conclude: propositions I haven't seen yet:

      Physics:
      - Schrodinger's equation
      - The uncertainty principle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncertainty_principle
      - Euler-Lagrange equations of motion: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lagrangian
      - Boltzman's equation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boltzmann_equation

      Maths:
      - Godel's incompleteness theorem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems
      - Gauss Theorem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gauss_theorem
      - Kelvin-Stokes theorem http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokes'_theorem
      - Aleph Alpha: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleph_number
      - fourier transform: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourier_transform

    9. Re:Let me see. by D+Ninja · · Score: 3, Informative

      Somehow I knew a story about anything on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic.

      Fixed that for you. (Now, do I get modded Flamebait or Insightful...that's the real question.)

    10. Re:Let me see. by mattholimeau · · Score: 1

      Mods, I'm surprised this wasn't marked "informative".

    11. Re:Let me see. by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Paintings hurt, the hands cramp up into shrivaled mauls. They endanger your health, all those fumes can't be good for you. Paintings are DAMN expensive, especially this Picasso crap.And most of all, they are entirely superficial. AKA, they are only there to look at.
      It's not like they let me twitter my latest zing to all my followers letting them know exactly how bad I flamed that last idea I saw on the internet.

      You want paint? How about you paint the town red.
      ZING!

    12. Re:Let me see. by ChrisLeif · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Mayo Clinic says that there are health problems even if everything is done correctly: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/tattoos-and-piercings/MC00020

    13. Re:Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Anytime you get a wound you endanger your health. Don't you have to keep them bandaged for x amount of time and clean them still? Even then are you going to tell me no one every gets an infection from them?
      I did say endanger ones health and not ones life since the actual risk to your life is minimal.
      Also if it has deep meaning to you personally would you ask people on Slashdot for suggestions?
      I would have to say any meaning is just in your head. A tattoo doesn't by it's nature have anymore meaning to a person than say a ring or a neckless would.

      They are superficial because they really don't effect anything but your appearance. It isn't or really shouldn't be a life changing act like learning something new or making some great journey.
      Finally to your statement.
      "Somehow I knew a story about tattoos on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic. Now everybody gets to make categorical statements they can't support with anything but opinion."
      All you have stated is an opinion that they have some meaning for you. Opinion is fine.
      I have stated that they are painful, expensive, and always have some health risks involved with them. The end result is actuality is nothing but a picture on your skin.
      I would honestly say that my opinion is that risk is not worth the result. Also that the money and effort could have much more meaning spent in other ways. Maybe a donation to a charity or even doing some volunteer work.
      Getting some equation put on your skin to me is a useless gesture.
      You are of course free to have a different opinion but you have no "facts" that contradict my "facts".
      You just have the opinion that the cost, pain, and risk are worth having some picture put on your skin. I disagree with that assumption for the vast majority of tattoos. In fact I can think of only a singular case where I could find it understandable. But I will admit that their could be more I have not thought of.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    14. Re:Let me see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as endangering your health, it means you're going to the wrong damned shop.

      Cleanliness is not the only concern here. A tattoo is a wound, and the scarring process can result in keloids in certain people. These are scars that are bumpy and they can hurt to the touch for many years.

    15. Re:Let me see. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      The Mayo Clinic says that there are health problems even if everything is done correctly

      With most of those falling into how sanitary the equipment is, and the after care -- which should be treated about as seriously as a second degree burn, so not something to take lightly. By the time you have a tattoo, it's like someone took a sewing machine to a piece of paper -- the top couple of layers of the dermis are pretty banged up and if you don't treat it like a would, it can go wrong.

      A scratcher who bought a gun off the web and has no training might actually have the needle penetration set too deep, in which case it will be excruciating. And, those guys likely won't know anything about sanitation -- sometimes someone will set up at a party and tattoo his friends, run from this. Always ask to see a portfolio.

      I would say that the advice to use an antibiotic is actually a bad idea. Something like a polysporin will actually cause your body to drive out the ink, instead of sealing it in and letting it heal. Something more like a Vitamin E cream is what I've always been told and had good results.

      While those risks are real, if you look around for a decent shop, and taker proper care, most of it is unlikely to happen. Nowadays in most cities of reasonable size, there's lots of people who have apprenticed and have the right equipment. Shop around.

      --
      Lost at C:>. Found at C.
    16. Re:Let me see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as endangering your health, it means you're going to the wrong damned shop.

      He may not be talking about the cleanliness of the shop, but the heavy metals that are being injected into your body. Tattoo inks are not regulated by the FDA and are full of delicious metals and carcinogens.

      From wikipedia:
      Heavy metals used for colors include mercury (red); lead (yellow, green, white); cadmium (red, orange, yellow); nickel (black); zinc (yellow, white); chromium (green); cobalt (blue); aluminium (green, violet); titanium (white); copper (blue, green); iron (brown, red, black); and barium (white). Metal oxides used include ferrocyanide and ferricyanide (yellow, red, green, blue). Organic chemicals used include azo-chemicals (orange, brown, yellow, green, violet) and naptha-derived chemicals (red). Carbon (soot or ash) is also used for black. Other compounds used as pigments include antimony, arsenic, beryllium, calcium, lithium, selenium, and sulphur.

    17. Re:Let me see. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      and most of all they are superficial. AKA they are for looks only.

      Yeah! Like paintings and shit. Fucking Monet, DaVinci, etc. Superficial assholes, all.

    18. Re:Let me see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow I knew a story about tattoos on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic. Now everybody gets to make categorical statements they can't support with anything but opinion. Not everything outside of your experience is bad, or stupid. Just something you don't know about.

      Maybe GP does know more about the topic than you know? You're just presuming his ignorance yourself.
      Just for example, did you consider that people sometimes got tattoed with ferro magnetic ink. (Probably not anymore nowadays). They can't get a MRT because it would burn their skin...

    19. Re:Let me see. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      He's incorrect about the health, but I have yet to see one logical reason to get one (and whoever modded him flamebait has issues).

      Well, OK, I do know one woman with a tattoo who has a rational explanation for it; the tattoo actually makes money for her. She has a cat's face tattood slightly above her vagina, and goes to bars and bets people $50 that she has two pussies.

      My dad has a good reason for the dragon on his left forearm: "I was young, stupid, and drunk."

    20. Re:Let me see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clearly you have a tattoo and are trying to defend yourself and your perceived "culture" of fellow people "sporting ink".

      And as expected, the best you can do is to make character attacks.

      I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you enjoy recreational drugs and regularly get noise complaints from the neighbors. Am I wrong?

    21. Re:Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      The paints have meaning to the artist. Not the canvas.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    22. Re:Let me see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Somehow I knew a story about tattoos on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic.

      Things that have to do with the real world tend to smoke out all of the crotchety, borderline-OCD shut-ins that this place attracts.

      "For as long as I live, I'll never understand why people do X
      And another thing, what's with all this Y
      In my day we had all of this Z stuff and look how silly that turned out.

      See a pattern? I do, and I've termed it "not understanding other people or their motivations, or having anything resembling compassion or a sense of humor."

    23. Re:Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Dude that is just wrong.
      You yourself just made assumptions that end in a character attack.
      I actually know a lot of nice good people that have ink.
      I do think their reasons for getting ink are foolish but then many good people do things I consider foolish. Like stand in line for an iPhone or other such silliness.
      It is unfair to make accusations about the person that replied to me. We have a different opinion but that doesn't make him bad.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    24. Re:Let me see. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      The paints have meaning to the artist. Not the canvas.

      Which is, of course, why no one ever displays art in their homes or anything, unless they've made it themselves, as it has no meaning whatsoever to anyone else except for those asshole superficial artists who created it.

    25. Re:Let me see. by pongo000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Somehow I knew a story about tattoos on Slashdot would trot out a bunch of people who know absolutely nothing on the topic.

      Who's to say that some of the naysayers have done their research and actually know what they are talking about? I don't believe a therapist that specializes in suicide needs to have necessarily experienced suicide. So you are into tattoos...your expert opinion isn't necessarily better than one who doesn't have tattoos but have done the research. The experience of getting a tattoo doesn't make one an expert in tattoos.

    26. Re:Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Which is why I said that it endangers your health. You are getting a wound as you yourself has said that needs treatment.
      Also what about the inks? Are you 100% sure that there are no risks from those?
      So you do agree with all my facts.
      It is expensive, painful, and endangers aka carries health risks.
      Where we differ is opinion. IMHO the costs way out way the benefits. You obviously feel differently.
      That is fine.
      However I would like to out and idea out there.
      Doesn't what one puts in their mind, does with their hands, and says with their mouth have far more meaning than what pictures are on their skin?
      Hence my feelings that tattoos are superficial in nature.

      --
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    27. Re:Let me see. by thrawn_aj · · Score: 1

      and most of all they are superficial.

      I thought they conferred magic powers on the organ of choice. But really, people should just ease off on mocking the whole tattoo fad. Surely we have better things to do than make fun of trivial body mods?

    28. Re:Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      No but it isn't the picture we are talking about.
      It is the act off paying someone to inflict yourself with a wound to put a picture on your body.
      The act of creation is not superficial.
      The act of appreciation the creation also can have meaning.
      Paining someone to inject ink under your skin? Dude buy a print!

      --
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    29. Re:Let me see. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Ah, I see, so because you don't appreciate the art or it's medium, it's stupid.

      Right.

      Very insightful.

    30. Re:Let me see. by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I wouldn't tell someone not to wear their wedding ring just because it is superficial.

      Is this the right place to mention that I have only a wedding tattoo? It's a moebius strip (you know, two sides that are actually one) on the inside of the wrist. We went for the Escher "ants" version, but without the ants and the square holes in the strip.

      Nerdy and simple, although it does look a bit like we belong to a secret society. Well, I guess we do, except it's not secret.

      (My grandmother said: "That's awfully permanent". My response: "Isn't that the point of marriage?" Then she approved.)

    31. Re:Let me see. by fredrik70 · · Score: 1

      well, it's a fad that comes and goes, I got mine in the early 90's, when people said 'oh you'll regrett that, it's only a fad', still love it to this day.

      people have been tattooing themselves for centuries so I doubt it's going anywhere soon. Of course, one should think it through befoer going and getting tattooed.

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    32. Re:Let me see. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      First off, let me be clear that I'm not judging you in any way... I've seen nice tattoos that actually make me want one and I've seen truly awful tattoos. I'm glad that you are happy with yours.

      people have been tattooing themselves for centuries so I doubt it's going anywhere soon.

      This is absolutely true, but the associations with those that have had tattoos have changed over time. Right now you can go to a trendy, expensive restaurant and think nothing of your waiter dripping with tattoos. There was a time (like 5 years ago, depending where you live) when that same waiter wouldn't be able to get a job... and I suspect the fashion will change again.

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    33. Re:Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Or it could be that they are at best the equivalent of Elvis on black velvet and or dogs playing poker.
      With health risks and being very hard to remove.
      If you like it fine but it is also stupid to demand acceptance. If chose to put it in the same class as art then people like different art for different reasons. However to pay someone to wound and in effect scare you for arts sake? Which is what getting at tattoo is I find silly. You may try and justify it but in the end you are arguing that putting a picture on your body has some meaning that is more important than your health.
      Your choice but you are the one that seems to need some validation of this. I have no problem with people acting foolish. I see it all the time. Sometimes they even have fun doing it which is fine.
      However if your going to try to tell me that some picture on your skin is some artistic master peace of art with some deep meaning that I just don't get. I will shake my head and chuckle just as I do when someone tells me Lady GaGa's music is so original and has changed their life.
      Whatever.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    34. Re:Let me see. by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Actually I still find it odd. Yep the fashion will change again I am sure hopefully when they go out of fashion it will not be hard on those that have tattoos.
      Frankly anything that becomes a "lifestyle" like tattoos, piercings, Harley's I find a little deeply disturbing.
      All these people trying be show how individual they are just like everyone else in their group.
      Just really kinda of silly and sad.

      --
      See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    35. Re:Let me see. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd be much more concerned about the expense of laser removal once the tattoo fad passes.

      And if you don't think that this is a fashion fad, may I interest you in some vintage mid-90s facial piercings?

      According to Wikipedia, the tattooing "fad" has existed since the Neolithic Age. Just sayin'.

      - Tattooless A.C.

    36. Re:Let me see. by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      I'm not dense - I know certain people have had tattoos practically forever. But they do go in and out of fashion, and in different circles of people. There have been times when, if you had a tattoo, you were assumed to be the unsavory sort by certain circles of people.

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  27. testing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what would happen if you got tatted up with Maxwells equations and then tried to take the Physics GRE or something?

  28. Fudd's First Law of Opposition by Vinegar+Joe · · Score: 1

    And Teslacle's Deviant to Fudd's Law.

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    1. Re:Fudd's First Law of Opposition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It goes in, it comes out

    2. Re:Fudd's First Law of Opposition by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      And Teslacle's

      Man, I thought that said testicles -- and testicles and tattoos should never be spoken of at the same time. :-P

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    3. Re:Fudd's First Law of Opposition by Scutter · · Score: 1

      Those balls will mean your fortune! You should patent it and name it after Nancy.

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    4. Re:Fudd's First Law of Opposition by JustABlitheringIdiot · · Score: 1

      I thought Fudd's law was to be verwy verwy quwiet because he's hunting wabbits.

  29. I always wanted a tattoo of a mobius strip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sign for infinity has sort of a symbolic meaning to me personally and so I have always thought that if I did ever get a tattoo, it would be a mobius strip in the figure 8 shape of the sign for infinity.

  30. Tattoos = disgusting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why would you want to deface your body like that?

    Tattoos are one of the most unappealing things that a person can do to their bodies (it looks especially disgusting on women's bodies).

  31. The most elegant one: by siglercm · · Score: 1

    G = 8 pi T

    Or is that:

    G + lambda g = 8 pi T

    On the other hand, don't get any tattoos. It's like that sunscreen warning thingy -- one day, you'll be sorry. Even about the equations.

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  32. Perhaps some physics... by ATestR · · Score: 1

    The equations E=mc^2 and F=mA come to mind

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  33. Dirac by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What about the Dirac equation?

  34. Why not. by interval1066 · · Score: 1

    And for me, mine would be Goldbach's conjecture.

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  35. Drake Equation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like the Drake Equation myself.
            N = R^{\ast} \times f_p \times n_e \times f_{\ell} \times f_i \times f_c \times L \!

  36. Pi ? by soifran · · Score: 1

    symbol of circle, then life, infinite... though i'd reccomand to read mangu's advice first...

  37. Fractals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For some reason this post made me think of the Ray Bradbury story, "The Illustrated Man". Anyway...

    Are you looking for specific equations or symbols (i.e. pi, e, etc.)? How about a fractal? I wouldn't recommend anything "corporate" however, like Petzold's "Windows" logo.

  38. Laplace transform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You Might want a Laplace transform.... that's some sticky stuff there

  39. Re:Euler's Identity, Entropy & Gaussian Distri by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I designed my tattoo in Photoshop, and brought the file in on a USB drive. The tattoo artist could print it right out on the contact?transfer? paper (the stuff that makes it stick to your skin - not sure what it was called) and could follow all the straight lines and angles precisely. Worked out very smoothly and easily.

  40. Wow! by gstoddart · · Score: 1

    I've been thinking of getting a sleeve of math and science tattoos for quite a while now. With the money saved up, the only question remaining is, what equations/ideas should I get?

    Do you really want to do this? It's going to be extraordinarily lame, and everyone is going to be forever looking at you like "Dude, what?".

    I'm not dissing the notion of getting ink, I've got my fair share. But, really? Geek tattoos?? Equations? Chicks won't dig it.

    And, as a purely practical matter, an artist is going to have a hard time adapting what you're describing, and won't know if he's making a mistake. If an artist isn't adapting it, you're going to end up designing your own tattoo, which will be mostly math -- your artist maynot know WTF it is. It could end up looking like you wrote crib notes in your arm and had them immortalized.

    Go for a theme, or maybe something which depicts what you're getting in a more abstract way. But, a bunch of equations as a sleeve? I'd discourage it. It might not turn out a nice/cool as you're hoping.

    Think of the poor guy with the Zune tatoo.

    Unless you have a very concrete idea with some sketches, this could go wrong. Rule of thumb is if you describe it to your artist, and his eyes glaze over like it's a dumb idea, you might not like the end result.

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    1. Re:Wow! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chicks won't dig it.

      Exactly my thought.

      I'm also an applied physics geek and if I was forced for some reason to get a tattoo I might get a lightning bolt for example. Ohm's law? No way.

    2. Re:Wow! by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      I'm not dissing the notion of getting ink, I've got my fair share. But, really? Geek tattoos?? Equations? Chicks won't dig it.

      Well, the right kind of chick probably would. But she's equally likely to dig you without the tattoo, too.

    3. Re:Wow! by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      Chicks won't dig it.

      The chicks you'll want will dig it. Consider it a low-pass filter.

  41. Seriously? by sean_nestor · · Score: 5, Insightful
    In what way will having these tattoos enhance your existence? Do you really foresee finding it "cool" ten years from now? Or twenty? If you have to ask what it is you want tattooed, that should be sign enough that it isn't something you want permanently engraved into your skin.

    Think of how dignified those tattoos will look when you age and your whole body looks like Reagan's neck. Do you really want to explain to your grandkids why you thought a math equation or Mighty Mouse or a kanji character that means "desk" was something that held enough meaning that it required you to permanently scar your body with it?

    This applies to everyone who resolves to get a tattoo before deciding what it is of, btw.

    1. Re:Seriously? by YesDinosaursDidExist · · Score: 1

      Man all these people are hating for no reason. Get a tattoo - if you're worried about what will happen in the "professional" world, then just get a quarter sleeve so it can be covered up if need be. Remember, you will have it forever, but your body will also be rotting in the ground one day. I have 2 dinosaurs tattooed on my back and chest - everybody asks, "why would you ever get a dinosaur tattoo?!" - because they are AWESOME. If you want math shit tattooed all over your arm - do it - screw everybody else.

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    2. Re:Seriously? by sam_handelman · · Score: 1

      This applies to everyone who wants to get a tattoo of anything.

        Basically - if you are the sort of person who *worries* that you'll look silly when you're old, don't get tattoos, because they'll make you look silly *now*.

        If you take a healthier and more mellow approach to the human condition entire, then you accept: when I am old, I will look silly. I might as well be a silly-looking old man with "thunder on thunder" tattoos on my thumbs.

        Finally, I guarantee with absolute certainty that grandpas with tattoos will be thought-cooler by their grandkids that grandpas without, on average over a large sample. If you can find an equation to fit to that, tattoo it full-facial just to drive the point across.

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    3. Re:Seriously? by Securityemo · · Score: 1

      Most elderly people with tatoos I've seen manage to look dignified enough. At least it looks like they've actually lived a full life.

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    4. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's about expressing your identity and putting on your body something you believe in. Assuming it's not just decoration for a mole you have that is...

      With age? What will your skin say about you when you get old...not only are you old...but you're boring to boot without a story to tell your grandkids.

    5. Re:Seriously? by east+coast · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree that if you don't know what you want to get you just shouldn't be seriously entertaining the idea of getting a tattoo. That said...

      I've never regretted any of my tattoo work. Well, I sometimes think I should have made one bigger. As for explaining them? I'll simply tell the tykes that I like them. Beyond that I don't think I should have to fit your ideals on what's exceptable.

      No, they do not make me tougher. I never expected that.
      They do not make me stick out as an individual. I got them for myself. They can't even be seen by those around me in normal circumstances.
      They "enhance" my existence because I wanted them and I'm happy with them. You've never done anything that you like because it makes you happy?
      Tattoos are not permanent. Where does this myth come from?

      Now, how did giving a lecture on something that anyone here already knows possibly enhance your existence? Why such the rant against tattoo work?

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    6. Re:Seriously? by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Er. Acceptable.

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    7. Re:Seriously? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      A dinosaur tattoo? Because dinosaurs are awesome?

      How did you find a tattoo artist who would ink a six year old?

    8. Re:Seriously? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      Now, how did giving a lecture on something that anyone here already knows possibly enhance your existence?

      Not to mention they can be lasered off these days, so it's *not* necessarily permanent. Sheesh, what a square the OP is. :)

    9. Re:Seriously? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      What a trite statement. So without them you "haven't lived?" Please, there's no shortage of tattoo regret out there. People shouldn't be asking on the internet on what to get done. That's a sign that you shouldn't get one, if there really is a reason to ever get one.

    10. Re:Seriously? by sean_nestor · · Score: 0, Troll
      Even beyond the "professional" consequences, it's a remarkably stupid thing to do. A lot of people are dishonest about their interests in getting a tattoo - it's all about fulfilling some vain ideal of what you want others to think of you, and does little to enhance any actual substance on your part. All it says is that you care so little about yourself and your body that you'll gladly deface it to for some kitschy image. This will make for a great novelty at a party or con, sure, but nobody will care after the first time they see it. After that, you have to live with knowing that you thought so little of yourself that you actually prostituted your flesh to some kitschy idea.

      Like an idea, or symbol, or picture a lot? Get a fucking t-shirt of it. This has the advantage of getting the cheap laugh at the party, but you can also walk home with your dignity relatively intact. It takes a remarkably low level of self-respect to devalue yourself by attaching the whole of your existence to a few cheap symbols.

    11. Re:Seriously? by gad_zuki! · · Score: 1

      >If you want math shit tattooed all over your arm - do it - screw everybody else.

      Except that 'screw everybody else' is an attitude and most attitudes are temporary/reactionary. To an 18 year old, its an absolute mantra, to a 35 year old, its being childish. Permanently tattooing yourself over a temporary attitude seems pretty foolish.

    12. Re:Seriously? by Fitch · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Having suffered from an alcohol induced lack of judgement and a poorly executed arm band which I am now in the process of chemically fading so it can be fixed, I have to echo this sentiment. If you aren't 100% sure what you want, then you don't want a tat bad enough to get one.

      Asking anyone else for suggestions of what you should scrawl on your skin for the rest of your life is a recipe for disaster in the highest possible magnitude.

      .

    13. Re:Seriously? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      If it's tattooed female motorcycle lizards you refer to, they might not be as old as you think. That sun and wind and congealed bug splatter is harsh and ages the skin fast. She's not in her 60's, she's 31 and spent a lot of time on the back of a bike.

    14. Re:Seriously? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      In what way will having these tattoos enhance your existence?

      In what way will having a painting in your house enhance your existence. In what way will any artistic expression or personal expression do so?

      Think of how dignified those tattoos will look when you age and your whole body looks like Reagan's neck.

      I've heard many variants of this argument but never really bought the idea. Yeah when you're old and wrinkly they won't look good. Neither will your skin. Seriously, if you find "Reagan's neck" to be dignified i any way you are more twisted than I. The ravages of old age aren't sexy or cool or dignified, but just the opposite. At that point, tattoos are the least of your problems.

      Do you really want to explain to your grandkids why you thought a math equation... was something that held enough meaning that it required you to permanently scar your body with it?

      Yes. Well, assuming I had grandkids, I'd absolutely like to tell them why I chose specific and important mathematical equations and discuss with them the scientific importance, cultural relevance, and history of those equations. That would probably be a hundred times more significant and interesting of a conversation than is the norm.

      Note, I don't have any tattoos right now, but I'm not opposed to them. I used to think getting one required a lot of thought, but they're pretty removable these days so maybe instead of lecturing someone about the details of a tattoo they're planning on getting, why not just make suggestions about what would be the most awesomely geeky equation and stop being so patronizing.

    15. Re:Seriously? by pandrijeczko · · Score: 1

      Whoa there one second!!!

      If people choose to get tattoos then that's their choice - but I have never personally seen the appeal of them and never had the inclination to have any done. But that does *NOT* mean I am a boring person, it means I just don't have any statements that I need to display to the rest of the human race in the form of a tattoo.

      Likewise, I try very hard not to judge anyone on first appearances, and many of my closest friends have tattoos - but the fact is, and yes, call it old-fashioned, if I don't know you and you walk up to me in the street, if you've got one or more tattoos showing that's going to immediately put you at a disadvantage in my eyes.

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    16. Re:Seriously? by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      If anything the fact that 'they can be lazered off these days' increases their lameness.

      "I am getting this tattoo for evah, sorta!"

    17. Re:Seriously? by gknoy · · Score: 1

      Consider asking if they can do the design with a narrow-point Sharpie (permanent marker) first. Viola, you have something vaguely tattoo-like that will last you long enough to be Potentially Inconvenient, long enough for you to explain to random people (or find ways to cover), etc. I imagine henna might work, too.

      The best advice I read in this thread was, when you get the "I should get an ____ tattoo", let it stew for a year. If, a year from now it's still meaningful? Sounds like you really do want it.

    18. Re:Seriously? by sean_nestor · · Score: 1

      In what way will having a painting in your house enhance your existence. In what way will any artistic expression or personal expression do so?

      Difference; I can take down that art. I can't easily remove a tattoo from my skin. I know this is subtle, but it's important.

      I've heard many variants of this argument but never really bought the idea. Yeah when you're old and wrinkly they won't look good. Neither will your skin. Seriously, if you find "Reagan's neck" to be dignified i any way you are more twisted than I. The ravages of old age aren't sexy or cool or dignified, but just the opposite. At that point, tattoos are the least of your problems.

      Just because your skin will be wrinkled doesn't mean it's a good idea to go for broke and make it wrinkled AND hideous. Some of us want to maintain a modicum of good looks, if possible. Tattoos aren't helpful in this area.

      Yes. Well, assuming I had grandkids, I'd absolutely like to tell them why I chose specific and important mathematical equations and discuss with them the scientific importance, cultural relevance, and history of those equations. That would probably be a hundred times more significant and interesting of a conversation than is the norm.

      I'm going to go out on a limb and say that kids 30-50 years from now are going to be much like kids today in that they would not find that stuff interesting in the least, and use your rambling lectures on the importance of some math equation as further proof that you're off your rocker. Not saying that they're right, but that's probably how they would take it.

      Note, I don't have any tattoos right now, but I'm not opposed to them. I used to think getting one required a lot of thought, but they're pretty removable these days so maybe instead of lecturing someone about the details of a tattoo they're planning on getting, why not just make suggestions about what would be the most awesomely geeky equation and stop being so patronizing.

      I'm not opposed to tattoos either; I'm just opposed to shallow decision-making. No matter how you slice it, this guy's presentation of the question just reeks of it; and sadly, it's demonstrative of a trend I've noticed over the last decade or so of considering tattoos more or less temporary. It still costs a lot of money to get them removed; it's not exactly something you just walk into a clinic and get done in an hour. I have enough friends with tattoo regret to be aware of the details. It's just not pretty.

    19. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In what way will having these tattoos enhance your existence? Do you really foresee finding it "cool" ten years from now? Or twenty? If you have to ask what it is you want tattooed, that should be sign enough that it isn't something you want permanently engraved into your skin.

      Think of how dignified those tattoos will look when you age and your whole body looks like Reagan's neck. Do you really want to explain to your grandkids why you thought a math equation or Mighty Mouse or a kanji character that means "desk" was something that held enough meaning that it required you to permanently scar your body with it?

      This applies to everyone who resolves to get a tattoo before deciding what it is of, btw.

      I'm going to go oh-so-far out on a limb here and say you don't have a tattoo. I don't either. Not that I object to getting one, I personally just cannot decide on something I want on my body for the rest of my life.

      That being said, you and I differ in that I'm not about to be a jerk because some guy asks for advice on geeky tattoos.

      If you're so concerned with appearances you ought to ditch that Star Wars/Anime/X-Files/whatever memorabilia I know you have (we all have our vices!). News flash: no one outside the sub-cultures think it's "cool" now, let alone in 10 years.

      On that note, ditch that awful teal polo you continue to wear to the office. The nineties ended 10 years ago and we're sick of seeing you in it.

    20. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck you square. At least get the Lennon quote right.

    21. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most elderly people with tatoos I've seen manage to look dignified enough. At least it looks like they've actually lived a full life.

      ...in a trailer park.

    22. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tattoos are indeed permanent. Much like the memory that you're a dick that I'm currently shuffling to long-term storage.

    23. Re:Seriously? by floodo1 · · Score: 1

      that's a retarded standard.

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    24. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since I have a full sleeve tattoo, I can respect your position. However, I do not regret the tattoos I got (some over 20yrs ago) while in the Marines or as a civilian.

      Not knowing exactly what you want does not mean you do not grasp about what a tattoo will do, even if your design thoughts are vague.

      I would suggest that you keep your tattoo about 1-1.5 inches from your wrist. This will allow you to wear long sleeves and still be a doctor or any other profession. Your clients none the wiser.

      My grandmother sounded off similarly to these claims when I first got mine. Years later she apologized, having lost her eyebrows; she got a vanity tattoo in place of them.

      As for growing old and the tattoo getting ugly, you need not worry. Working out will keep your body nice and taunt. One could be fat and flabby or lean and sinewy. But aging is beautiful regardless. It is plastic surgery which makes us ugly imho. Old and aging is wonderful.

    25. Re:Seriously? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Except that 'screw everybody else' is an attitude and most attitudes are temporary/reactionary. To an 18 year old, its an absolute mantra, to a 35 year old, its being childish.

      There's some healthy rationale for saying 'screw everybody else'. If you spend your whole life worrying what everyone else thinks about you all the time, then by the time you're 50, you'll die a miserable, hypertensive, nervous wreck. I'm not advocating immature, 18-year-old punk-rock, knee-jerk rebellion, but there is value in saying, "I know what you think, but I'm my own person, and I'll make my own decisions, thanks." Every time I've chosen others' advice over the advice of my own heart, I've regretted it.

      To the O.P.: if you want a tat and math/science is your thing, then go for it. As for what to get, I can't help you there, but don't let the nay-sayers discourage you. Isn't there a song somewhere that says, "It's better to regret something you did, than something you didn't do"?

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    26. Re:Seriously? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      ATGATT. 'Nuff said.

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    27. Re:Seriously? by YesDinosaursDidExist · · Score: 1

      I could agree with that, but it depends on the tattoo. The poster obviously isn't someone who's going to have one of those sweet barbwire arm bands tattooed on him. However, I would never agree that you aren't dignified, or think less of yourself because you chose to get inked. The fact is, your body is a meaningless bag of flesh that will be worm food before long, so in my mind, why does it matter what you put all over it? - but thats just me.

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    28. Re:Seriously? by D+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Except that 'screw everybody else' is an attitude and most attitudes are temporary/reactionary. To an 18 year old, its an absolute mantra, to a 35 year old, its being childish. Permanently tattooing yourself over a temporary attitude seems pretty foolish.

      I like what you write. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    29. Re:Seriously? by Slutticus · · Score: 0

      Mom? I thought you lost your /. password?

    30. Re:Seriously? by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      ...I have never personally seen the appeal of them and never had the inclination to have any done. But that does *NOT* mean I am a boring person...

      Fair enough.

      Likewise, I try very hard not to judge anyone on first appearances...but the fact is, and yes, call it old-fashioned, if I don't know you and you walk up to me in the street, if you've got one or more tattoos showing that's going to immediately put you at a disadvantage in my eyes.

      Apparently, you aren't trying that hard, then. And that initial pre-disposition to look down on someone because of a harmless choice of self-expression that you happen to disagree with does, IMHO, make you a boring person (or at least, a somewhat stuffy, uptight person anyway).

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    31. Re:Seriously? by east+coast · · Score: 1

      Some people are just never satisfied, I guess.

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    32. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck future me. If he doesn't like tattoos he should have thought about that before getting one.

    33. Re:Seriously? by i_liek_turtles · · Score: 1

      When I'm old I'm not going to be looking so hot, anyway.

    34. Re:Seriously? by ForCripeSake · · Score: 1

      Of all the arguments against tattoos, I feel like the "what about when you're 80, 90, etc." argument is COMPLETELY invalid. Allow me to offer the following thought exercise:

      Think of your sweet old grandma. Perhaps someone else's sweet old grandma if need be. Image how awesome she is, sitting there knitting a sweater or baking cookies. Maybe she's going to garage sales or agreeing with Fox News, as grandparents often do. Now imagine your stoic ancient matron with an equally ancient, ferocious tattoo. WHAT?! HOW AWESOME IS THAT?

      Seriously, the more ridiculous or dated the tattoo, the better it makes this scenario. A prohibition themed ink would be amazing. "We like Ike" would also be pretty great. Are you going to tell nana that her flamin' buy war bonds skull makes her look unprofessional? I DARE YOU.

      At the very least, grandpa's 311 tribal takes a lot of steam out of his "what's wrong with kids these days" rant.

    35. Re:Seriously? by Athanasius · · Score: 1

      He's obviously planning to cheat on some exams.

    36. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If my grandfather had math tattoos when I was a kid, I would've asked him dozens (hundreds?) of questions. Math & science would probably have taken a whole new role in my life. Personally, I think tattooing something to your body that will _never_ be meaningless makes a lot of sense. I can see this conversation now:

      Kid: Grandpa, what does this mean?
      Gpa: Well, you see this is a quaternion.
      Kid: A what?
      Gpa: A quaternion is used in navigation systems and computer games to describe where an object is and which way it's facing.
      Kid: And what is this one?
      Gpa: Those are Maxwell's equations for electro-magnetism...aka light and magnets. They can be used to describe how electric fields interact with each-other....how light travels through space and why a prism creates a rainbow.
      Kid: Why are they on your arm grandpa?
      Gpa: I put them on my arm to remind me that we can't have a modern lifestyle like the one we live in without someone somewhere knowing these equations.
      Kid: What do you mean?
      Gpa: Well, you know that digital camera I bought you last christmas?
      Kid: Yeh?
      Gpa: It wouldn't be exist without these equations. ....yada yada yada

    37. Re:Seriously? by khallow · · Score: 1

      Do you really want to explain to your grandkids why you thought a math equation or Mighty Mouse or a kanji character that means "desk" was something that held enough meaning that it required you to permanently scar your body with it?

      You know, that actually sounds like a subversive way to get your grandkids to suck up a little math and science. I'd have to say "yes".

    38. Re:Seriously? by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

      *shrug* It's his skin, man. His real estate.

      Me, I'm waiting for embedded, programmable displays.

    39. Re:Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love the stupid-ass "b-b-but what about when you're eighty?!" argument. Seriously, when you're eighty you are not going to give a flying fuck what anyone thinks, least of all about your appearance.

      In fact, if you grow up at all you'll probably get shut of worrying what other people think is "cool" long before then.

    40. Re:Seriously? by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      If you aren't 100% sure what you want, then you don't want a tat bad enough to get one.
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      Or, don't go to tattoo parlors who employee crappy artists while drunk. I think that's the lesson I learned from your story.

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    41. Re:Seriously? by KeithManning · · Score: 1

      By the time I'm old and wrinkly, I doubt I'll care what my tattoo looks like as I'll be more bothered about how loose the skin is on my face... or where I've left my false teeth!

  42. You know Math? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure you get tattoos of mathematical formula You understand and can actually use...

  43. Science Tattoo Emporium by nacturation · · Score: 5, Informative
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    1. Re:Science Tattoo Emporium by Inda · · Score: 1

      Now I want one too. :-(

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  44. I'll make it simple for you: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No.

  45. The fallout symbol by swm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I knew a guy who had the fallout symbol tattooed across his left shoulder blade,
    maybe 4 inches across, in all its black and yellow glory.
    I asked him why, but I don't recall his response.

    He did allow that reading physics textbooks in coffee shops was a good way to pick up girls.

    1. Re:The fallout symbol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Right. Because women love them some physics geeks.

      I assume he also told you that the Tooth Fairy gives great head.

    2. Re:The fallout symbol by RapmasterT · · Score: 1

      By all means, take "picking up chicks" advice from a guy who thinks a fallout symbol is a cool/original tattoo.

      Tattoos...so you can be original, just like everyone else.

    3. Re:The fallout symbol by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      Your second point doesn't follow the first.

      'Everyone else' is interested in 'picking up chicks', too. You wouldn't necessarily exclude that kind of advice unless you weren't thinking of competing with this type of person.

      If 'everyone else' is catching bass with watermelon lures, you don't whip out the nightcrawlers - unless you're not after bass.

    4. Re:The fallout symbol by SirGarlon · · Score: 1

      He did allow that reading physics textbooks in coffee shops was a good way to pick up girls.

      I was going to say something pithy like "tells you something about that guy's credibility" but then I realized, reading physics books in coffee shops to impress girls was the one thing I never tried. So maybe it does work!

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    5. Re:The fallout symbol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nuke her 'til she glows.

    6. Re:The fallout symbol by ergean · · Score: 1

      Cool... when I was younger I wanted Samurai Jack's symbol as a tattoo.
      http://i27.tinypic.com/2ec2j2d.png

    7. Re:The fallout symbol by TerranFury · · Score: 1

      I assume he also told you that the Tooth Fairy gives great head.

      I'm going to point out the obvious fact now that the Tooth Fairy is really your mom...

    8. Re:The fallout symbol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not certain, but did you just call him gay?

    9. Re:The fallout symbol by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      Haha it's like when you see a dorky guy who has somehow risen to the top of the misfits gang in small to medium sized social setting, and all of the misfits follow his every word because even though they are the lowest rung in the general population, their leader is the highest rung in their specific population.

      "Frances, go get me some milk and maybe I'll give you some tips on how to get laid *snort*!"

  46. Fourier transform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Need I say more?

  47. Some Big Theorems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    For math formulas I would do Groethendieck - Riemann - Roch or Atiyah-Singer Index theorem. So many other (geometric) index theorems follow from these.

    On the physics side maybe Navier-Stokes& Schroedinger Equation. If you really want to fill up space try the Lagrangian for the Standard Model.

  48. Pi Hole by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should put Pi on your right cheek. Facial cheek, that is.

  49. My Suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Eight is equal or greater than zero!!!!

  50. I like the fermata symbol by mollog · · Score: 4, Funny

    I like musicians who get the fermata symbol tattooed on their bodies. (Hold me.)

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    1. Re:I like the fermata symbol by commodore64_love · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Ya know that saying? "People may believe your stupid, but there's no reason to open your mouth and prove it."? I think a modification of that appies here:

      People may believe you're a nerd, but there's no reason to tattoo equations on your body and prove it. (Talk about making dating even more difficult!) Also consider the long term implications:

      - My niece tattooed a rose on her ankle. It was cute on her young high school body.
      Fast-forward 20 years and now it's expanded into a giant red splotch. (i.e. she gained weight)

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    2. Re:I like the fermata symbol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like musicians who get the fermata symbol tattooed on their bodies. (Hold me.)

      This idea is so full of win. I had never considered ink before, but THIS is awesome.

    3. Re:I like the fermata symbol by 19thNervousBreakdown · · Score: 1

      full of win

      Ugh.

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    4. Re:I like the fermata symbol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "People may believe your stupid"

      And you might be, so...

      http://www.youryoure.com/

    5. Re:I like the fermata symbol by mdarksbane · · Score: 1

      Honestly, though, if her ankles are that bad does the tattoo make her look any worse? No specific offense intended to your niece.

      I've always had a rule that I personally can't get a tattoo until I look good with my shirt off... yeah, I'm still waiting.

    6. Re:I like the fermata symbol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      full of win

      Ugh.

      [notes lack of <quote> skills]

      Sigh.

    7. Re:I like the fermata symbol by StrategicIrony · · Score: 1

      Full of ROFL.

    8. Re:I like the fermata symbol by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      Ya know that saying? "People may believe your stupid, but there's no reason to open your mouth and prove it."?

      I don't know that one. People may believe my stupid? Perhaps you should have taken your own advice.

      People may believe you're a nerd, but there's no reason to tattoo equations on your body and prove it.

      Why not? Are you ashamed to be a nerd? Some of us aren't, and we don't all necessarily wear pocket protectors or otherwise look the part. I know quite a few people with tattoos, a few of which look really bad, though some of them are quite interesting. Modern American society has moved beyond the time when tattoos were only worn by sailors, bikers, and ignorant white trash. If your answer to "What tattoo should I get?", is nothing better than "I don't like tattoos.", then just don't get any. For the record, I have no ink on my body, though I've never ruled out coming up with an idea I'd like to wear forever, and I believe some level of discretion should be exercised when selecting a tattoo and a location for it.

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    9. Re:I like the fermata symbol by ricosalomar · · Score: 2, Funny

      I've always had a rule that I personally can't get a tattoo until I look good with my shirt off... yeah, I'm still waiting.

      I did that, about 14 years ago. Tattoo looks fine now. But I scare people when I take off my shirt.

    10. Re:I like the fermata symbol by DogAlmity · · Score: 1

      Hah, good rule! And yeah, also waiting.

    11. Re:I like the fermata symbol by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pi to one million digits! It's the tattoo that never ends!

    12. Re:I like the fermata symbol by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      - My niece tattooed a rose on her ankle. It was cute on her young high school body.

      Hold on their chief let's not get too excited. Remember, she's family!
      Also why the hell did a highschooler get a tattoo? Isn't there minimum age laws where you live? That is precisely why they exist... to prevent stupid decisions being made as a 16 year old that one will later regret.

  51. No equation but geeky nontheless by SpongeBob_SqRt · · Score: 1

    No equations, but if you looking for geeky look no further than a QR code tattoo! http://adam-lara.com/interesting/my-qr-tattoo/

  52. wired artical for ideas? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think i remember reading an article in wired about various geek themed tats.

    perhaps this http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/multimedia/2008/09/gallery_reader_geek_tattoos

  53. Fermat's Theorem including side note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Get a tattoo of Fermat's Theorem and include:
    I have discovered a truly marvelous proof that it is impossible to separate a cube into two cubes, or a fourth power into two fourth powers, or in general, any power higher than the second into two like powers. This margin is too narrow to contain it.

  54. "Mathematician's Plaid" by vlm · · Score: 1

    1D cellular automata? Otherwise known as "Mathematician's Plaid".

    http://psoup.math.wisc.edu/mcell/ca_gallery.html

    Speaking of "Mathematician's Plaid" does anyone in the wonderful world of slashdot know where I could get fabric with a CA pattern?

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  55. Möbius strip by vw_bob · · Score: 1

    Frankly, I'd consider a Möbius strip.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%B6bius_strip

    1. Re:Möbius strip by vlm · · Score: 1

      If we're going to go all topological here, maybe a Klein Bottle on the "Little mr laser pointer" would be an effective form of birth control, in more ways than one?

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  56. If you want to be different, don't by damn_registrars · · Score: 3, Funny

    Come on, the math is simple here. There are six billion people on the planet right now. How many of them have tattoos already? The probability of you coming up with a tattoo that someone else doesn't already have is nearly zero.

    In other words if you get a tattoo, someday later you'll meet someone else who has the same one, or someone who knows someone who has it. Then you'll realize that your attempt at "individuality" was a failure. At which point hopefully you went to a clean enough shop that you didn't pick up hepatitis in the process.

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    1. Re:If you want to be different, don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His question had nothing to do with trying to be unique. You probably should not comment on things for which you have no clue.

    2. Re:If you want to be different, don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why you get a custom tattoo instead of picking something out of the flash.

    3. Re:If you want to be different, don't by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      His question had nothing to do with trying to be unique

      The original question of

      "if you were going to put a tribute to the great math and science minds on your body forever, which ones would you choose?"

      Has the underlying motivation of "look at how unique I am". Unfortunately there is hardly anything left in the world that is less unique than a tattoo (with perhaps the exception of a Toyota Camry). And if he really wants to create a tribute, there are many things that would be much, much, better for that purpose as well.

      You probably should not comment on things for which you have no clue.

      I am sorry to inform you that clearly even the simplest of socio-psychological principles escape you entirely. You likely have heard this before, though.

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    4. Re:If you want to be different, don't by HeckRuler · · Score: 1

      You have swear word in your slashdot name? Shit dude, that's been done three ways to sunday before you came about. Way to be a lame copy cat. Can't even come up with something original for once in your life?

    5. Re:If you want to be different, don't by east+coast · · Score: 1

      "if you were going to put a tribute to the great math and science minds on your body forever, which ones would you choose?"

      Has the underlying motivation of "look at how unique I am"


      No it doesn't. That's crazy talk.

      To me it means "if you were going to put a tribute to the great math and science minds on your body forever, which ones would you choose?"

      There's no need to make assumptions there.

      I agree with other posters that if you don't know what you want it's not the right time to consider a tattoo but you're reading way too much into this. It sounds more to me that you're trying to project your stereotype of what tattoo works means to you.

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    6. Re:If you want to be different, don't by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      You have swear word in your slashdot name?

      You consider "damn" a swear word? Really? Is "heck" on your list of naughty words as well?

      Can't even come up with something original for once in your life?

      Nobody says a slashdot name needs to be "something original", it just can't be identical to one that already exists here. I chose my name not because I thought it would be "something original" but rather so I could keep track of my postings more easily (after posting AC for years).

      If the person who submitted this story needs a tattoo to track their own body, then they probably have even larger psychological problems than we had expected. However in the end the dominant thinking behind a tattoo is "look how original I am", which fails miserably to accomplish that feat thanks to the vast numbers of people who have tattoos. In some areas it is getting to be more original to not get tattooed at all.

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    7. Re:If you want to be different, don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Come on, the math is simple here. There are six billion people on the planet right now. How many of them have tattoos already? The probability of you coming up with a tattoo that someone else doesn't already have is nearly zero....Then you'll realize that your attempt at "individuality" was a failure.

      Come on, the math is simple here: there are six billion people on the planet right now, how many of them don't have tattoos already? Not getting a tattoo isn't going to make you any more of an individual than getting one.

      While we're on the whole concept of individuality, there's really nothing we do that's unique. We're all just hairless apes that eat, sleep, and fornicate. Being unique just to be different is not innovative.

      To the OP: don't get a tat of something because someone else tells you it's cool, or would be meaningful. Pick the equations you worked with and truly understand, because one day someone will ask you about them, and you don't want to stumble through a half-assed explanation of a concept or law you don't really grasp the fundamentals of. That WOULD make your tattoo pretty lame.

    8. Re:If you want to be different, don't by damn_registrars · · Score: 1
      Actually any half-wit knows that the assertion of

      on your body forever

      Is complete an utter crap. Your tattoo will degrade with the rest of your body after you die. So unless this guy is going to have his body added to Lenin's tomb, the tattoo very much will not last forever. Granted, he could have it carved into his bones, but that is way beyond the pain threshhold of most living beings (and bones can deteriorate under certain conditions as well).

      So there are ways to try to leave a message "forever" but a tattoo is not one. This screams of someone feeling the need to be "different" while wreaking of someone who doesn't realize how completely lacking in "uniqueness" tattoos are.

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    9. Re:If you want to be different, don't by east+coast · · Score: 1

      I never said anything about forever. Nice of you to stay on topic.

      The fact is that you're making a broad assumption that is likely incorrect. Thanks for playing and have a nice day.

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    10. Re:If you want to be different, don't by HeckRuler · · Score: 1
      Yes, and sorta. But you know, fuck that shit.

      You know, I was really hoping you'd accuse me of hypocrisy so I could come back with "DAT'S DA JOKE". But c'est la vie.

      Anyway:

      Nobody says a slashdot name needs to be "something original"

      Actually it's a requirement. But the guy didn't ask for original tattoo ideas, he asked for math and science geekery. If you think tattoos should be unique little butterflies, that's great, for you.

    11. Re:If you want to be different, don't by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      I never said anything about forever. Nice of you to stay on topic.

      You have a really short memory, apparently. Read back to your original troll in this thread and you can see that you used the word "forever" in your very first line:

      "if you were going to put a tribute to the great math and science minds on your body forever, which ones would you choose?"

      Your chose to include the word, you could have quoted without it, not quoted at all, or quoted and then expressed a different opinion. Instead you carried on the word "forever".

      The fact is that you're making a broad assumption that is likely incorrect.

      The fact is your trolling needs practice. Your skills are inept at best but thanks for trying.

      Thanks for playing and have a nice day.

      Thanks for amusing me. Keep practicing and maybe some day you'll pull it off with some degree of skill.

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    12. Re:If you want to be different, don't by east+coast · · Score: 1

      I didn't use the word at all. I was quoting your post to keep things in context. Again, good to see you can stay on topic. You're the troll here, not me.

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    13. Re:If you want to be different, don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To the OP: don't get a tat of something because someone else tells you it's cool, or would be meaningful.

      Rather, do what this guy says. Because *that* would be cool and meaningful. ...and deep, don't forget deep.

    14. Re:If you want to be different, don't by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      As you continue your aimless replies your trolling gets more amusing, though no more accurate. You have much to learn, young one.

      A novice troll like yourself can do a fairly good job at wasting my time. But if you're trying to anger (or even annoy) me you are failing miserably. There are plenty of skilled trolls around here, I suggest you read up on their methods before you try again.

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    15. Re:If you want to be different, don't by B+Nesson · · Score: 1

      So your argument is that because there are a lot of people in the world, some day you'll meet someone with the same tattoo, and then feel lame?

      It couldn't be that someone would get a tattoo of something they really like, and then in the (much more unlikely than you're allowing) event they DO meet someone with the same tattoo, they'll know right off the bat they have something in common?

      Maybe the OP should just get a GUID tattooed on them. Those are fairly unique, right?

    16. Re:If you want to be different, don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some of us don't care that another person has the same tattoo. My roommate and I in the Army have the same tattoo
      and both of us seem to like the idea. Think carefully about what you want to get, that is the only advice I would give.

    17. Re:If you want to be different, don't by ChrisK87 · · Score: 1

      The probability of you coming up with a tattoo that someone else doesn't already have is nearly zero.

      That's why my tattoo is my full name and address. No one else has the same tattoo, and people will know how to get me home in case I develop amnesia. (At least as long as I don't move anywhere...)

    18. Re:If you want to be different, don't by fishexe · · Score: 1

      Because the one or two other people with the same tattoo totally outnumber the billions of other people with the same blank skin?

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    19. Re:If you want to be different, don't by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      Because the one or two other people with the same tattoo totally outnumber the billions of other people with the same blank skin?

      Do you know anyone with truly blank - as in featureless - skin? Such people are incredibly rare. Most people have naturally occurring features on their skin that are not the same color as the rest of their skin. Indeed patterns on skin are equally as unique as fingerprints and have been admitted as evidence in court when surveillance was able to image some part of a suspect but not the face. Even identical twins have different patterns on their skin naturally.

      So actually, the unadulterated skin is more unique than the tattoo. Hence the tattoo that is supposed to be a "rebellious" or "individualistic" act ends up being just an act of conformity.

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    20. Re:If you want to be different, don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, first of all, your mathematical argument is crap. I'm sure that there are people in the world who have similar tattoos to mine, but what is the probability that one of those people has their tattoo in the same place on their body, in the same size? What's the probability that someone out there has tattoos that are 100% identical to mine in shape, size, and placement?

      But the math argument is irrelevant anyway. Getting a tattoo in order to be unique is the dumbest idea ever. I didn't get tattoos so that I could tell stories about how cool and unique I am for having tattoos. If you plan on getting or not getting tattoos as a way of showing how unlike other people you are, you're doing it wrong.

      An earlier poster suggested that if a person wants a tattoo, they should wait 10 years. I don't go that extreme, but I give similar advice to anyone who asks me about some tattoo they want to get. Wait at least a few months. In that time, draw it out on paper (or have someone else draw it for you). If you can, have someone draw it on your body, in the size and place you want it. If you're still sure you want it, take the time to research artists in your area. If you have friends with tattoos, ask them who their artist was and if they're happy with the result. If you just shop around for the lowest price, you will most likely get a crap tattoo. Unless you're going to some really shady shop (or getting a tattoo in prison), you aren't going to pick up hepatitis (despite the parent's fearmongering).

      Getting a tattoo is not stupid; it just doesn't make sense to you. What is stupid is getting a tattoo without taking the time to think about it. Those of you on this board who are so vehemently opposed to the mere suggestion of a tattoo, take a deep breath. Go get a beer or something. Imagine how offensive your arguments would sound if you replaced "people with tattoos" with, say, a minority group. Once you've done that, realize that it shouldn't really matter to you if someone gets a tattoo. No one is strapping you down and giving you a tattoo.

    21. Re:If you want to be different, don't by fishexe · · Score: 1

      Because the one or two other people with the same tattoo totally outnumber the billions of other people with the same blank skin?

      Do you know anyone with truly blank - as in featureless - skin?

      No, not defined as such, but I know plenty of people with truly blank - as in truly devoid of ink - skin. If we're considering the uniqueness of all skin features in considering a tattoo's uniqueness, then it only really counts if you meet someone with the same tattoo who also has the same skin tone and patterns.

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  57. Implant a ROM by CPerdue · · Score: 1

    Tattoos are so ... analog. Just get all of math encoded on a chip and have that embedded. Make sure it has an RF interface, like the modern ID tags for pets, and someday you will be able to read it with your phone or whatever. You could be the first person with their own brain-coprocessor.

    1. Re:Implant a ROM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your RF interface idea is so analog.

    2. Re:Implant a ROM by omnichad · · Score: 1

      What about e-ink? ;-)

  58. A circle by u17 · · Score: 1

    The circle is the perfect mathematical shape. It has had the most profound impact on humans, it appears everywhere: in nature, in science and in art.

    Inside it you should put the text: "Haha, despite appearances this is in fact an open disc on the surface of a 2-sphere (insert formula for area here), and all you hot ladies had best avoid me because I'm such a geeky weirdo!"

  59. Get a fractal by ALeavitt · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Get a full sleeve of the Mandelbrot set drawn with (literally) painstaking detail and accuracy. That should keep you and your tattoo artist busy for a while.

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    1. Re:Get a fractal by iammani · · Score: 1

      Actually that is a pretty good idea... If I ever were to get one, that would be it.

    2. Re:Get a fractal by Keebler71 · · Score: 1

      Nevermind a lot of ink too!

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    3. Re:Get a fractal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But at what point could the tattoo artist actually stop working on it? I suppose it depends on how detailed you'd want to get...even though in twenty years everything will sort of all run together anyway, ruining the effect.

    4. Re:Get a fractal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No shit, Sherlock?

  60. Re:Euler's Identity, Entropy & Gaussian Distri by wiredlogic · · Score: 1

    I second Euler's identity. It's the foundation for much of modern technology.

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  61. Googolplex by fredrickleo · · Score: 1

    Have them tattoo a googolplex in full...

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  62. Newton's Laws by trashbird1240 · · Score: 1

    F = ma baby!

    1. Re:Newton's Laws by trashbird1240 · · Score: 2, Funny

      And make sure no one has trademark rights to or a patent on the one you choose: don't use Ax=\lamda x or Match.com may sue your left shoulder.

      This is my way of saying that although I declined to get my own tattoo, I'm glad that you're thinking of something intellectually worthy instead of getting an Apple, Inc tattoo or something else terribly impermanent. I actually read a b log post from a disgruntled "lifelong Mac user" who had recently switched to Ubuntu; he had an Apple tattoo.

  63. OK, here it is by JamesP · · Score: 1

    Shroedinger's equation kicks ass http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger_equation (time independent equation)

    I'd go for the derivative form of Maxwell equation or the Wave equation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electromagnetic_wave_equation

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    1. Re:OK, here it is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gauss' law is a good one too - both the differential & integral forms.

  64. Mandlebrot Set by __aakdpj1217 · · Score: 0
  65. How will you look? by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    If you think it will make you look badass, or even evil, you can try putting there the Hanlon's Razor. That will give the others the opportunity to think.

  66. Price equation as a tramp stamp by sam_handelman · · Score: 1

    Since I may be the only trashy biologist in attendance, may I suggest getting price's equation: http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/f/1/a/f1a89bf0a1591b77f40a81aeb0d74e91.png

      Easiest to get it as a tramp stamp. However, in the likely event your are a dude, you get double trash points for tattooing it on the little Mr. Price.

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  67. Don't by tool462 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Forget the tattoo. Just stick with t-shirts from ThinkGeek or whatever like the rest of us do.
    Someday when the anti-intellectual revolution comes and Sarah Palin is looking for some fresh necks for her guillotine (aka "Freedom Slicer"), your elitist tattoo will get you killed.

    Am I joking? Sometimes I don't even know.

    1. Re:Don't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm with you. The ability to stay anonymous seems to be gaining relevance; Easily identified permanent markings seem like a bad idea. If you really must try it on, why not wear a bit of Mehndi/henna for a while, see if it is really your thing.

    2. Re:Don't by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I have many reasons for not having tattoos, but this was actually one of them when I was a young man. I grew up in a California suburb with very little crime, more racism than black people, and cops who didn't have a whole lot to do when they weren't issuing drunk-driving tickets. Cops who don't have much to do is always a bad thing. In our case, they were hard at work prosecuting the "gang violence problem," which basically meant harassing kids wherever they could be found. Once, while loitering in a park, my friend and I were pulled aside by the cops, who proceeded to bring out a camera from their car and take photographs of all of our identifying marks for their "gang records." My friend had tattoos; I did not. And on that day I vowed never to get any.

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  68. do it by salesbot · · Score: 1

    i have the euler identity on my arm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euler's_identity. it says the most about the universe in the least amount of space :)

    1. Re:do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      also says that you're a tool.

  69. science vs math by verlyn13 · · Score: 1

    A grounded person would get a science tat like Ohm's law. Personally, I don't care about the real world. Get the fundemental theorem of finitely generated abelian groups. Or if you like Rs more than Zs, the analogous result for decomposition of R-modules.

  70. Fermat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tried to get the proof to Fermat's last theorem tattooed on my penis, but it wasn't big enough.

  71. Go for it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tattoos are not really "cool" but they are a way of putting art or information on your body and who's to tell you not to do it. As for the issue of them being all green and awful, most places will offer a free (or very cheap) touch up after a few years if you go back and ask nicely. Alternatively keep it out of direct sunlight as much as possible.

  72. Aptitude test day by citking · · Score: 1

    I wonder what the MCAT/SAT/ACT/PSAT proctors would say if you came in with an arm full of math fodder during a placement or aptitude test. I imagine that would be an interesting conversation:

    Aptitude Test Proctor: "Say, what are those tattoos you have there?"

    Sam Submitter: "Well, we have Fermi's Law here, the Pythagorean Theorem here, Henry's Law, Hook's Law, Pi..."

    Aptitude Test Proctor: "Um...well, I...uh...erm, hmm. But you don't have a calculator, right?"

    Sam Submitter: "Uh, no. But I do have the TI-80 schematics tatooed on my chest. Is that OK"

    Aptitude Test Proctor: "Um, yeah?"

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  73. Indeed. by IANAAC · · Score: 3, Insightful
    And not only that, he's only got a "theme", not the content. If you have to ask for ideas, it's probably not something you've completely thought through.

    But then again, I'm an old coot that never got the tattoo thing.

    1. Re:Indeed. by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Actually, you're right with your idea.

          Tattoos are personal. If he has to ask "what [fill in the blanks] should I get?" then he hasn't thought it through. I've spent good time in tattoo shops, flipping through their books, looking at their original art on the walls, and talking to their artists when they have spare time. Just about every time someone just walks through the door and asks "what should I get?", they tell them the same thing.

          We can't tell him what to get, because he will have to figure that out for himself.

          And I do already have ink on me. I'll be getting more. It took several years to figure the next piece out.

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    2. Re:Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      And not only that, he's only got a "theme", not the content. If you have to ask for ideas, it's probably not something you've completely thought through.

      Or he could make the "theme" the content of the tattoo itself. When I met the woman that later became my wife, I was instantly taken by her tattoo of ... a book. A symbol of learning. Not of any one bit of content you may have learned here or there, but of the process of learning in itself.

      And yes, twenty-odd years later it's a bit blurry and splotchy and certainly doesn't look as pretty as back then - but the meaning is still there, as powerful as it has always been.

    3. Re:Indeed. by Abstrackt · · Score: 1

      Or he could make the "theme" the content of the tattoo itself. When I met the woman that later became my wife, I was instantly taken by her tattoo of ... a book. A symbol of learning. Not of any one bit of content you may have learned here or there, but of the process of learning in itself.

      And yes, twenty-odd years later it's a bit blurry and splotchy and certainly doesn't look as pretty as back then - but the meaning is still there, as powerful as it has always been.

      Great story. Mine also centers around a woman. ;)

      When I was in the hospital the woman who is now my wife brought me a pendant that symbolized strength and courage. A year later, after I finished physiotherapy, I got a tattoo with the same design. The tattoo has meaning to me, both for my survival and the person who inspired it. More than seven years later I still smile when I see it in the mirror every morning and I will proudly wear it to my grave.

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    4. Re:Indeed. by DarkIye · · Score: 1

      I agree. I'm a young coot who gets the tattoo thing, but observes the majority of them aren't worth the skin they're printed on.

    5. Re:Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ehh... i get tattoos, and am a geek. i usually just walk in and ask a friend ( i have a lot of artists as friends) 'hey, wanna tattoo x part of me?' and then tell said friend to draw something up. get it tattooed and thats that. i say go for it. the people who say ohh think about the future, are the people who are too afraid to do it; and use the your tastes are gonna change as an excuse as well. i have plenty of friends climbing the corporate ladder with sleeves, hell even neck tattoos. and as far as the theme, i think its awesome.

  74. Social Stigma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's a class idea my friend. I know a lady with the digits of pi starting on her neck and going down to her tailbone. Anyway, I would like to caution you about the social stigma attached to tattoos. There are still a lot of people prejudiced against people with tattoos and it can adversely affect your career. I know one person who volunteered at a government service organization and they went so far as to (badly) photoshop away her tattoos when making pictures of the social events and whatnot. I'm not even sure I understand the twisted reasoning behind such a thing, but it's your tax dollars at work. You might want to consider a location that can be covered by a long sleeved shirt.

  75. Do letters make for good tattoos? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    @OP, I'm curious, have you looked at the question of whether letters even make good tattoos?
    Won't they be more susceptible to be distorted and ruined over time, vs. a solid picture?

    Looking at pictures from a previous reply, the Science Tattoo Emporium:

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/category/science-tattoo-emporium/

    I see the equation tattoos seem a lot less interesting and cool than the colorful (or even solid black) pictures other people used.

  76. F=Ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Across your knuckles. That's the tat all the dudes in prison math clubs get.

  77. Ohm's law isn't really fundamental enough... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ohm's law is just one particular class of current-voltage characteristic curves. It doesn't work for all sorts of things like lightbulbs or diodes. Voltage across a circuit element being linearly proportional to the current flowing through it isn't that interesting or general.

    I would much rather go with Maxwell's equations or perhaps Kirchhoff's circuit laws, which are a special case of Maxwell.

  78. If you have to ask... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have to ask what to get, maybe you don't need anything at all?

  79. 1:4:9 by cadeon · · Score: 1

    1:4:9 . . . or perhaps (1:2:3). It's the ratio the Monoliths are built to, and it's perfect.

    1. Re:1:4:9 by cadeon · · Score: 1

      "How obvious—how necessary—was that mathematical ratio of its sides, the quadratic sequence 1:4:9! And how naive to have imagined that the series ended at this point, in only three dimensions!"

  80. Plan for the eventual removal as well by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Relevant PSA: http://gprime.net/video.php/tattooremover
    Hopefully you'll get something that stands the test of time.

    I like the guy with the 3-line PERL strong-encryption routine with the warning that it made the bearer an ITAR-controlled export-restricted munition.

    I'm not really interested in any form of body mod, but if I had to get something, I'd implant some sort of subcutaneous RF device that could be programmed to do things.

  81. The Planets' Symbols by OctaviusIII · · Score: 1

    I saw a girl on the metro once with the symbol of the Sun tatooed at the bottom of the back of her neck. When I asked her about it, she said it was a project: to get all the symbols of the planets tatooed down her back. I asked whether she'd include Ceres or Pluto (it was during the debate on dwarf planets) and she didn't know yet. Still, were I female and if I wanted a tatoo, it would be that. Therefore, my good anonymous, that is my suggestion.

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    1. Re:The Planets' Symbols by tsalmark · · Score: 2, Funny

      So the next time I see a sun tattoo between a girls shoulder blades it is safe to ask "Can I see Uranus"?

    2. Re:The Planets' Symbols by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, sorry, that would require "talking to a girl", which is against the Slashdot Code of Conduct.

    3. Re:The Planets' Symbols by fishexe · · Score: 1

      So the next time I see a sun tattoo between a girls shoulder blades it is safe to ask "Can I see Uranus"?

      It's always safe to ask that when you see a girl's sun tattoo, wherever it may be. Or if not safe, at least appropriate.

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  82. RFC4122 by dhasenan · · Score: 1

    I'd go for a UUID, myself. I have a printout of RFC4122 hanging over my bed...

  83. If you have to ask the question... by Minwee · · Score: 1

    ...then just use a Sharpie and be done with it.

    If you still want the tattoo, then here are some simple tests to see how it will look in five years.

    Take some very cheap newsprint and draw your design on it. Make it exactly the same size, include every detail, and use a really fat green felt tip marker.

    Now crumple the paper up into a ball and squish it as tight as you can.

    Submerge the paper ball in a sink filled with water and leave it there for exactly thirty seconds.

    Scatter a handful of small rocks on a picnic table and then unfold your paper ball on top of them, trying to make as much contact with the tabletop as possible.

    This is what your butt will look in in 2020.

    1. Re:If you have to ask the question... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...then just use a Sharpie and be done with it.

      Funnily enough... I'd always liked tattoos but wasn't sure that I wanted one until I dressed as a greaser for a party, and even the silly $5 temporary dragon tattoo looked great on my arm. (I haven't decided what to get yet, and will probably take another year on it.) I would indeed recommend drawing one out, though your description of fading is over-exaggerated for anyone not getting theirs done in prison or by some dude on the street.

  84. Re: get a brand instead by waambulance · · Score: 2, Funny

    not only will you be cooler than anybody who has a tattoo (its true!) - you can feel safe in the knowledge that your "individualism" cant be questioned. -0.

  85. What I have by JKDguy82 · · Score: 1

    I knew I wanted it ever since I was 14, and at 18 drove to a neighboring state where it was legal to get it: It's a circle on my upper right shoulder blade. Many Greek mathematicians/philosophers considered it a symbol of perfection.

    And screw these people who say tattoos suck, it's your body, do with it what you want. It's an art form, of course some people don't get it. But I do agree with those who say that you should think long and hard about what you are getting. Do not do it on a whim.

  86. My thoughts... by matt-fu · · Score: 1

    While this is an interesting discussion topic, I agree that getting one over another because /. tells you that something is cool is actually not cool at all, and to do so actually shows that you are maybe not ready for tattoos. If it's not really meaningful to you, don't get it. That said, you can safely ignore the douche brigade telling you that tattoos are "lame" and "forever". Getting a picture of a skull with a pair of crossed machine guns under it with a Confederate flag in the background is one thing, being a math nerd and getting some equations inked is quite another. My advice would be to go with the ones you know you want and leave some space available for later equations. You can always go get more ink, and you will probably come up with a lot of additional ideas once you have a couple of the equations inked.

    1. Re:My thoughts... by insertwackynamehere · · Score: 1

      Getting a picture of a skull with a pair of crossed machine guns under it with a Confederate flag in the background is one thing, being a math nerd and getting some equations inked is quite another.

      They are different. For starters, one is badass. I'll give you a hint: it's not the one that you wish was badass.

    2. Re:My thoughts... by matt-fu · · Score: 1

      Badass is in the eye - or maturity level - of the beholder.

  87. Re:Euler's Identity, Entropy & Gaussian Distri by drewhk · · Score: 1

    +1 Information Entropy

  88. Smith Chart by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    A guy that I once met had a tattoo of a Smith Chart. Smart RF guy. Definitely dedicated to the field. ;)

    1. Re:Smith Chart by Peach+Rings · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Don't mod me for flamebait but I think that really looks bad. Tattoos rarely look good in their prime, and always end up faded and smudged. They don't make you look tough or interesting, just trashy.

    2. Re:Smith Chart by JWSmythe · · Score: 4, Insightful

          It really depends on the tattoo, and how it was intended to look. Other factors include how the person takes care of themselves. A lot of people don't consider, "how will this look in 30 years." The same goes for body piercings. How will it all look when you're collecting your kids from school, when your grandkids are born, or when you're 90+ years old in a nursing home. Likewise, a sleeve (like the article asks) it may seem like a great idea, until you get a job somewhere in the Southern US, at a company with a strict policy about visible tattoos.

          I've known folks who had needed to wear long sleeves year round, because they loved the idea of getting a tattoo that everyone would see and appreciate, a decade before. It's all fun and games until it's 110+ degrees outside, and you wish you could toss off the shirt before getting into the oven previously known as "your car", except the office "no visible tattoo" policy extends to everywhere "office" including the parking lot and anywhere visible from the parking lot.

          That's not to say don't get one. Just consider what the future results could be. Folks do all kinds of crazy things to themselves. There are a whole bunch of body modifications that can be (and are) done. Is a face tattoo, or even math equations from your ears to your fingertips really the best way to express yourself?

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    3. Re:Smith Chart by Culture20 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The "no visible tattoo" policy is the antithesis of the 1st Amendment. Stop giving corporations more power than the government has.

      Or the "no visible tattoo" policy is the heart of the 1st Amendment. Stop giving the government more power than it should have. I think the only people that could win a "no visible tatto" lawsuit would be survivors of the holocaust.

    4. Re:Smith Chart by mister_dave · · Score: 1

      Is a face tattoo, or even math equations from your ears to your fingertips really the best way to express yourself?

      I once found myself queuing behind a man with 'Fuck off' tattooed on the back of his neck. Lovely.

    5. Re:Smith Chart by Keebler71 · · Score: 1

      He clearly doesn't work for Apple.

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    6. Re:Smith Chart by AnAdventurer · · Score: 1

      I am a relatively normal member of society (as in not a punk, emo, neotribal, etc) and can fit in in most anywhere in America. I have a bunch of tattoos (no science based) and my kids love them. No of it is flash and all of it is by my hand, I am lucky that I am a decent artiest. I agree with you by the most part. Much thought should be given to a tattoo, do not buy a picture from a book in the tattoo shop, no good will come of that.

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    7. Re:Smith Chart by labiator · · Score: 1

      Kudos to Peach... I agree. When my wife first met me, she wanted to see my tattoo. Her thought process said, "he is a Marine, he has a tattoo" I have several scars, but still no tattoos. I don't have to explain them to my kids that way.

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    8. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Show the world you are smart enough to know those equations but not smart enough to not get a rediculous tattoo. Do you really need Ohm's law on your arm when you are 50? What next, a listing of zip codes on your ass?

    9. Re:Smith Chart by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

          Before my first, I looked at lots of art, including the picture books. It wasn't just at one place. Whenever I could (usually because I was wasting time), I'd have a look. It became that much more entertaining when someone would look at one in the books, say how original it was, and want it now. Original? :) I always liked looking at the artists original works on the wall. Some of them are great.

          Mine is original, except it's a couple thousand years old or so (the art, not the actual tattoo). Since I'm not an artist, all I can do is sketch and/or describe, and let someone else try to make what I want. It may take a few more tries my way, but eventually someone can make what I'm looking for, and we have the finished product. Of course, those test runs were on paper, not on my skin. :)

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    10. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stop giving corporations more power than the government has.

      Hey dumbass, check out the government.

      If the military can dictate tattoo policy, you bet your ass the private sector can as well.

    11. Re:Smith Chart by maxume · · Score: 1

      You really think that the 90+ year old tail is going to be more worried about the tattoo than they are the diaper?

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    12. Re:Smith Chart by Abcd1234 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They don't make you look tough or interesting, just trashy.

      To you.

      I actually think it looks pretty nice. An abstract, pleasant-looking pattern, without going all stereotypically tribal.

      As an aside, they aren't supposed to make you "look tough or interesting". They're supposed to be an outward expression of personal values through art. If you don't like that, I suggest staying away from music, books, and other artforms, as apparently that's not your thing.

    13. Re:Smith Chart by morari · · Score: 1

      Most people do not know how to properly apply tattoos. It's a fad nowadays that everyone has jumped on simply because it is "cool" and they might get a television show out of it. Furthermore, a lot of customers don't know how to properly care for their tattoo, either during the healing process or in the long term. Tattoos can look absolutely beautiful, but it largely depends upon the design itself, the skill and experience of the artist, the care that is put into it by the wearer, and also one's personal taste for such things. To say that they "always end up faded and smudged" is ignorance and only accounts for tattoos that were either improperly applied to begin with or were not taken care of afterward. Of course, it doesn't help that you have posers nowadays telling people dumb shit like to immediately smear their fresh tattoos with Neosporin and tightly wrap it with Cling Wrap. A good tattoo should last a lifetime without deteriorating much at all if looked after. About the only thing you can't prevent is stretched and saggy skin. That can be avoided however by carefully choosing the position of the tattoo in the first place.

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    14. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You said you’re not trying to flamebait, yet say "They don't make you look tough" and call them trashy. I would say you are most certainly flamebaiting.

    15. Re:Smith Chart by IMightB · · Score: 1

      In college I used to love women with tattoos across the small of the back. We called them "Tramp Stamps" and to us would indicate higher chances of a successful hook up.

    16. Re:Smith Chart by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      What? The military can refuse to put women in certain positions and can fire people for being openly gay - try doing that if you're a private corporation.

      Oh, and the military can also have employees shot for not doing what their manager said. Just because the military can do something definitely does not mean that the private sector can.

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    17. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They're supposed to be an outward expression of personal values through art. If you don't like that, I suggest staying away from music, books, and other artforms, as apparently that's not your thing.

      One is burned directly into the skin, and the others aren't, so of course you most love or hate all of them as one big package, right?

    18. Re:Smith Chart by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Tattoos are free speech. Free speech is a right, not a privilege.

      Forcing your employees to be uniform in appearance just so they can have a job (and in this world it's no longer possible for the vast majority of the population to be self-sustaining without one) is the opposite of protecting their right to speak freely.

    19. Re:Smith Chart by blair1q · · Score: 1

      It's wrong for the military to do it, too.

      And it's completely wrong for the Supreme Court to pretend the military is somehow different from the government.

    20. Re:Smith Chart by robi2106 · · Score: 1

      I applaud your free speech efforts from my soup kitchen line as I sit unemployed because I took your advice about having a "principled stance" against unreasonable employer demands for dress codes & tattoos.

    21. Re:Smith Chart by iocat · · Score: 1

      One has the right to get a stupid tattoo, or spout anti-Semitic nonsense, or do any number of things. That doesn't magically free you from the consequences of the action (such as having to wear long sleeves at work, or being fired for being a bigot.)

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    22. Re:Smith Chart by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Being discharged from a company for being a bigot is a consequence of your speech.

      Having to wear long sleeves at work is elimination of your right to speak, no matter what you have to say.

    23. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Today tattoos.
      Tomorrow your whole behavior.
      The day after tomorrow, ius primae noctis.

      Because corporations are evil? They always have been so. Problem is that now the average citizen is tied to the system to get food, housing, jobs, valuables. So he is powerless.

      Beware any revolution where you can't cultivate whatever food you like in your own backyard.

    24. Re:Smith Chart by Culture20 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Being discharged from a company for being a bigot is a consequence of your speech.

      Having to wear long sleeves at work is elimination of your right to speak, no matter what you have to say.

      Being discharged from a company for [saying something] is a consequence of your speech.
      Being discharged from a company for [displaying something] is a consequence of your "speech".
      Having to wear long sleeves at work is good sense if displaying tattoos get you discharged.

    25. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's wrong with looking trashy? My wife looks like trash, and I wouldn't want it any other way.

    26. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can say the same about people in general, they get old, go grey, get fat.

      I figure by the time I'm 50+ people will think I'm a fat, hairy, disgusting slob regardless of if I have tattoos or not, so I might as well let the good times roll.

      I know for sure that 90 year olds gross me out. Seeing a tattoo on an old person reminds you they were young once too, and that where they are now is where you are heading.

    27. Re:Smith Chart by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      To me, and that's a very personal opinion, tattoos are first a sign of dumbness. They can be beautiful, even impressive, at a point in time. A simple band on a muscled biceps is hot. 10,20,30 years on, it wont be.

      Worse, to me again, they kinda smack of the same weak personality that aggressively branded/trendy outfits do, and say "I'm all about the outside", in a "this is my ego clutch" way.

      And finally, and maybe that's the root of my whole attitude toward them, they make me feel like there's a foreign body in your body, I ache simply thinking about it (don't get me started on piercings ^^).

      I realized I'm being an ass, but that's really how I feel about tattoos, on an emotionnal and intellectual level. There's probably more wrong with me than with the tattoed masses on the issue.

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    28. Re:Smith Chart by k1t10 · · Score: 1

      Firstly - I'd love to see photos when this is done! I'd also like to point out - I have tattoos across my chest and I also have bright pink hair. I've never had issues getting a snr technical position and have never been told that I must cover them at all times. Lastly, I don't care if you don't like my tattoos. I don't care if you think they look trashy. Chances are I don't like your white lardy ass or long greasy hair. In fact, there's a really good chance that I'm repulsed by it. Interestingly, I don't feel the need to tell you that when I see you in the street.

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    29. Re:Smith Chart by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      good for you.

      now if only your ex-colleagues weren't such gutless lickspittles, they might have stood up with you in solidarity....preserving their own rights as well as your own.

    30. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please explain how a private company not wanting visible tattoos in any way allows the government to punish someone for voicing their opinions. The 1st amendment has NOTHING to do with whether or not a company can refuse to hire people with tattoos.

      It's not even slightly relevant.

    31. Re:Smith Chart by gothzilla · · Score: 1

      Yeah, except for that part where in places like the USA, ANYONE can start a business. The only thing that exists that can make people powerless is their own laziness.

    32. Re:Smith Chart by dbIII · · Score: 1

      Likewise, a sleeve (like the article asks) it may seem like a great idea

      In Australia a tattoo on the forearm is called a "job stopper". I don't think many people care about them any more though since now some extremely conservative people have tattoos.

    33. Re:Smith Chart by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      As an aside, they aren't supposed to make you "look tough or interesting".

      Tell that to the people thinking they're so tough or cool because they have a tattoo (in other words, the overwhelming majority of people with tattoos).

      They're supposed to be an outward expression of personal values through art. If you don't like that, I suggest staying away from music, books, and other artforms, as apparently that's not your thing.

      Faulty comparison. Someone's taste in music, books, painting, etc doesn't require them to PERMANANTLY have it ruin their body. A Motley Crue t-shirt can be taken off once you realize that they're not as cool as you thought they were.....

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    34. Re:Smith Chart by Abcd1234 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Tell that to the people thinking they're so tough or cool because they have a tattoo (in other words, the overwhelming majority of people with tattoos).

      Awww, poor boy was bullied by someone with a tattoo or something?

      Seriously, quit being a prejudicial bigot. Do some people get tramp stamps or bands around their biceps because they're douchebags who think it'll make them look cool? Yes. Does that mean the person posting this question is one of them? No.

      Yes, I no, shocking: some people are douchebags, and some people aren't. Wow, what a truly revolutionary thought.

      Someone's taste in music, books, painting, etc doesn't require them to PERMANANTLY have it ruin their body

      Err, what does that have to do with anything? It's art. It might be good art, it might be bad art, but it's are all the same. Who gives a shit what the medium is?

      As a quick aside, while some people are meathead douchebags, others are pretentious douchebags. Thank you for demonstrating the latter so very well for everyone!

    35. Re:Smith Chart by Abcd1234 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      To me, and that's a very personal opinion, tattoos are first a sign of dumbness.

      Interesting. To me, the first sign of "dumbness" is the use of words like "dumbness"... (yes, that's petty, but I couldn't help myself...).

      They can be beautiful, even impressive, at a point in time. A simple band on a muscled biceps is hot. 10,20,30 years on, it wont be.

      Then it's a shitty tattoo. Tramp stamps and bicep bands are the worst examples of trendy tattoo bullshit, IMHO.

      Worse, to me again, they kinda smack of the same weak personality that aggressively branded/trendy outfits do

      And a tramp stamp almost certainly screams that. But not all tattoos reflect those values. Tattooing is an ancient artform practiced by many cultures for myriad reasons. Or are you telling me that, say, a traditional Samoan sleeve tattoo expresses a "weak personality"?

      I realized I'm being an ass, but that's really how I feel about tattoos

      Frankly, yes, you are being an ass. Being a judgmental dick is no better than being an overly branded douchebag with a tattoo around his bicep. It's certainly nothing to be proud of (though you'll fit right in here at Slashdot...).

    36. Re:Smith Chart by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Awww, poor boy was bullied by someone with a tattoo or something?

      No, I've just met plenty of trailer trash with tattoos. Anyone who's actually a badass doesn't feel the need for a tattoo to prove how tough they are because they're not concerned with proving how tough they are.

      Do some people get tramp stamps or bands around their biceps because they're douchebags who think it'll make them look cool? Yes. Does that mean the person posting this question is one of them? Yes.

      There, fixed that for ya!

      Err, what does that have to do with anything? It's art. It might be good art, it might be bad art, but it's are all the same. Who gives a shit what the medium is?

      Calling tattoos "art" is like calling rap "art" or the picture of the pee-drenched Mona Lisa (or was it the Last Supper? I forget) "art". They're not art, just a sad attempt to look cool by people with nothing worthwhile to offer the world.

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    37. Re:Smith Chart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In the USA, you don't even need starting capital or a steady income during the period when your business is not yet consistently profitable!

    38. Re:Smith Chart by Matheus · · Score: 1

      Not really flame bait just uninformed. I don't have a pile of statistics for you but if all of the tattoos you've seen look bad and fade over time you either spend a lot of time around prisons or have terrible tattoo artists in the neighborhood. Almost every friend I have has at least one tattoo. Many have entire sleeves or full body. They all looked great new. Yes, some have faded, but they are in the minority.

      Tattoo longevity depends on a number of factors. The one you can't really control is that some people's skin just doesn't hold ink well. They can take *really* good care and it might last a while but it's a losing battle. then there are people like me who I can get my tattoo sunburned, etc and it never changes (and I even have some of the more difficult to maintain colors like Yellow) Most people fall in the middle. Use sunscreen and you'll be fine.

      The not-interesting and trashy comments? Those may be flame bait but frankly that's just your taste which completely differs from just about everyone I know ergo your opinion doesn't have any weight for me.

    39. Re:Smith Chart by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      It depends. Get good quality ink and go to someone who knows what they're actually doing they last longer. Practice decent aftercare (tip #1 - sunscreen is your friend) and that'll help too. You're looking at something that's gonna be on your body for life. Don't stint, do your research and be prepared to pay top dollar for a proper tattoo artist, not just someone who got into tattooing cos' they're Awesum Kewl.

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    40. Re:Smith Chart by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1

      The "no visible tattoo" policy is the antithesis of the 1st Amendment.

      I agree wholeheartedly. Having "FUCK YOU" tattooed on your forehead should not prevent you from working as an investment banker.

      Did that even make sense when you wrote it?

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    41. Re:Smith Chart by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Except maybe it was the ex-colleagues that were trying to get rid of the guy who thought he was so cool because he had trashy looking markings all over his body? They weren't to worried about their "right" to have trashy tattoos splattered everywhere.

      And employer has a right to create a company and try to mold a certain character and culture in that company. For IBM, it used to be the blue suits, and that was a very effective marketing technique for IBM. They didn't give a damn about YOUR tattoo. They cared about their marketing image which they had invested loads of time and money in.

      Now, where is a company's "right to free speech" in directing the character and culture of their own company?

      You have skills. Employer's have jobs. They don't have a "right" to your skills, and you don't have a "right" to their job. Get over yourself.

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    42. Re:Smith Chart by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 1

      What is this "corporate/government" distinction you speak of?

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    43. Re:Smith Chart by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      Frankly, yes, you are being an ass. Being a judgmental dick is no better than being an overly branded douchebag with a tattoo around his bicep. It's certainly nothing to be proud of (though you'll fit right in here at Slashdot...).

      And yet earlier....

      Then it's a shitty tattoo. Tramp stamps and bicep bands are the worst examples of trendy tattoo bullshit, IMHO.

      I guess we're all asses on some level. I'm turned off by the appearance of facelifts, botox injections and silicon tits. It all just screams "FAKE" to me. From previous experience, I assume any conversation will be shallow and vapid.

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    44. Re:Smith Chart by geekoid · · Score: 1

      So I should be fired for having a racist slogan tattooed to my face?
      How about a spider?
      What if I work in sales?
      A police officer?

      The force there employees to be uniform in appearance for image so they can make more money.

      Why don't you call the head of HR a hairy cunt and then defend you free speech in court to sue for being discharged.

      Good luck with that.

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    45. Re:Smith Chart by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      You can call him whatever you want off-hours and anonymously.

    46. Re:Smith Chart by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      Anyone can fly for about 2 seconds.

    47. Re:Smith Chart by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      I'd like to inform you that greengrocers' apostrophes instantly void your entire argument with prejudice.

      Go back to 4th grade you fucking idiot.

    48. Re:Smith Chart by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      "Ooh! Ooh! Look at me! I can use naughty language on the internets without my mommy finding out."

      Those are my apostrophes, not the greengrocers', and I'll go back to the 4th grade right after you hit puberty.

      Wait. That won't work. You'll probably still be there. Well, at least they'll have you on the "short bus".

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  89. How about a famous saying tattoo instead... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A fool and his money are soon parted...

    Or

    There's a sucker born every minute

    Or just the capital letter L on the forehead. :)

    1. Re:How about a famous saying tattoo instead... by omnichad · · Score: 1

      or a capital letter H if you're a complete smeghead.

  90. Don't do it! by Average_Joe_Sixpack · · Score: 5, Funny

    in the 90s I got a tattoo of the solar system on my back and brontosaurus tattoo on my chest. now both are incorrect :(

    1. Re:Don't do it! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is incorrect about your brontosaurus tattoo?

    2. Re:Don't do it! by canajin56 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      He's making a joke about how it's regarded as incorrect. However, he doesn't really know what's he's talking about ;) The Brontosaurus is widely held to not exist, by the non-paleontologist community. There are two reasons: The first and most commonly held reason is that the original Brontosaurus reconstruction was a composite, and got the head pretty wrong. However, this was resolved a long time ago, so unless his tattoo from the 90's is from the 1890's, I'm sure he got the head right. (Besides which, creating composite reconstructions when bones are missing is an acceptable practice in the field, so long as you acknowledge this fact when you publish! Brontosaurus is not the first, nor the last, dinosaur to have inaccurate reconstructions at some point. Many dinosaurs even today are best-guess composites). So, though the Brontosaurus might not have looked like the earliest drawings (from 100 years ago!) it still existed. The second is an issue of taxonomy. Brontosaurus's original scientific name was Brontosaurus Excelsus. However, in 1903 it was argued that it's not different enough from the Aptosaurus genus to get it's own genus. So, the scientific name was changed to Aptosaurus Excelsus, instead. However, Brontosaurus was already in the lexicon. So, that became its common name. Within the field, Brontosaurus is an accepted synanym, though the scientific name is preferred (as always). Nobody would laugh at my ignorance if I claimed to own a cat, rather than the "correct" term "felis cattus", though in a scientific paper the scientific name would be preferred. In 1989 there was a bit of a stink over the USPS putting a "Brontosaurus" on a stamp. People said it promote scientific illiteracy to put the wrong name on the stamp. However, this is no more incorrect than putting a Bald Eagle labeled "Bald Eagle" (rather than "Haliaeetus leucocephalus") on a stamp. Outside of a scientific settings, there's nothing wrong with using the common name of a species. (And, in fact, Brontosaurus Excelsus is still an accepted synonym for the scientific name). Even in a scientific setting, it's usually not frowned upon to use the common name, once you've used the scientific name to make it clear what species you are writing about. One might put "felis cattus (cat)" and from then on refer to them as cats, without complaint.

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  91. Pi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510
        58209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679
        82148086513282306647093844609550582231725359408128
        48111745028410270193852110555964462294895493038196
        44288109756659334461284756482337867831652712019091
        45648566923460348610454326648213393607260249141273
        72458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436
        78925903600113305305488204665213841469519415116094
        33057270365759591953092186117381932611793105118548
        07446237996274956735188575272489122793818301194912
        98336733624406566430860213949463952247371907021798
        60943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132
        00056812714526356082778577134275778960917363717872
        14684409012249534301465495853710507922796892589235
        42019956112129021960864034418159813629774771309960
        51870721134999999837297804995105973173281609631859
        50244594553469083026425223082533446850352619311881
        71010003137838752886587533208381420617177669147303
        59825349042875546873115956286388235378759375195778
        18577805321712268066130019278766111959092164201989...

  92. 3.141592... by Destoo · · Score: 1

    ..in graphical form. Can't go wrong with PI.
    You could also go with euler's identity, e^(iPi)+1=0

    Still. Pi.. hmmmmmhmhmhmmm.. pie.. *drool*

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    1. Re:3.141592... by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Just get 355/113. It's close enough for most engineering tasks.

    2. Re:3.141592... by Theoboley · · Score: 1

      even better, have homer simpson drooling over the Pi Symbol. Mmmm Pie

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  93. Lazer removal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I thought they were relatively easy to remove now.

    1. Re:Lazer removal? by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Even with laser removal you can still tell that something used to be there. Especially if it's going to be a sleeve of tattoos

    2. Re:Lazer removal? by xystren · · Score: 2, Informative

      People have that attitude that tattoos are easy to remove with lasers. But one also needs to remember that tattoos themselves are a wound - depending on the talent of the artist, wounds tend to scar. The ink my get lightened (removal is a bit of a misnomer); the laser breaks up the pigment molecule which is then removed through the body's lymphatic system.

      Laser removal is also a long process, and generally is not a one time process either. Generally a person needs to go through a series of sessions, and depending on the color of the inks used, that are different wavelengths required for the requirements. Not all laser machines are created the same. Also hope that you don't have a lot of white (Titanium Dioxide) since that has a tendency to turn complete black when laser removal is done.

      The lasers themselves also have the danger of creating scaring. So even though you might not have the ink there, you still can often see the scaring that is left.

      Consider very carefully before getting a tattoo, and if you go into with the attitude that "Ohh, I can get it laser removed if I don't like it in the future" don't get one. There are so many factors that are very rarely considered.

      I speak from observed experience, research and from attending educational seminars. My girlfriend owns a tattoo studio and also runs (executive director) an international tattoo association. I've learned far more about tattooing and the body modification industry than I ever wanted to know.

      Laser is not the answer. Carefully consideration and placement are your best options.

    3. Re:Lazer removal? by HiThere · · Score: 1

      Easy compared to the previous methods, yes. They no longer carefully pound bleach into each piece of tatoo dye. And repeat it where they didn't put in enough bleach, They no longer just slice the skin out.

      Yeah, it's easy compared to those methods. This doesn't make it fun, cheap, or safe. (Well, it *is* relatively safe. Probably. It's not likely that it has a reasonable probability of eventually yielding skin cancer. And even if it did it would be safe compared to the earlier methods.)

      If you think you might be wanting to remove it, just use skin dyes.

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    4. Re:Lazer removal? by Joce640k · · Score: 1

      Sure... apart from all the scars, the pain and the expense of all the removal sessions.

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  94. Redundant? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Any geek worth his salt can derive Ohm's Law from Maxwell's Equations!

  95. H-bar by XantheKnight · · Score: 1

    H-bar over two, of course. Definitely the coolest math/physics discovery to come out of the last century, IMHO.

  96. The Golden Ratio by Vyse+of+Arcadia · · Score: 1

    An acquaintance of mine has an interesting and subtle tattoo. It's a black line across his wrist with three black tick marks such that the line segments separated by the marks measure out the golden ratio.

    1. Re:The Golden Ratio by 0100010001010011 · · Score: 1

      I know someone that got the Fibonacci Spiral on her back.

      Then again her dad was a math professor and she just wrapped up her post-doc in Mathematics.

  97. File under "selfish" by damn_registrars · · Score: 2, Insightful
    So you've saved up some money and you want to show the world how important science and math are to you. You've chosen for some odd reason to do that by purchasing something that will only benefit yourself. I would suggest you consider ways that your money could be used to help more people further or enter science:
    • Donate to a local museum
    • Donate to a local school to buy textbooks or supplies
    • Donate to a favorite research group or cause
    • Use it to buy a lobbyist's time in DC
    • Use it to buy a journal / magazine subscription for a nearby school that means something to you

    Are just a few ways that you could use that money to make a difference in science that will help others. When you die your tattoo will eventually rot away with the rest of your body. But if you sponsored something that helped science or math progress, people would know of you for some time.

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    1. Re:File under "selfish" by Rob+the+Bold · · Score: 1

      So you've saved up some money and you want to show the world how important science and math are to you. You've chosen for some odd reason to do that by purchasing something that will only benefit yourself. I would suggest you consider ways that your money could be used to help more people further or enter science:

      Nothing wrong with occasionally treating yourself. I'd just skip the tattoo and buy decent booze. The hangover and regret won't last as long.

      There's so many people around here with ugly tattoos, I can't tell the derelicts and heroin addicts apart from the rest of the community at the can-deposit refund counter.

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    2. Re:File under "selfish" by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      Give me a break. If he was posting for advice on the ultimate gaming PC, would you still be encouraging him to donate his money for one of these causing and flipping him crap for being "selfish"?

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    3. Re:File under "selfish" by mattholimeau · · Score: 1

      I have trouble with your premise of "only benefit yourself". A tattoo is valued for the viewing, I would argue, namely for the viewing by others upon you. Displaying the fact that science and math are important to oneself cannot be deemed wholly selfish in that there is a direct act of display, which involves the view and judgment of other people. Saying "i think math and science are cool" is not a bad thing. People equating coolness with math and science is not a bad thing. A very well done math and science tattoo can in and of itself be a really cool thing. People appreciating coolness of science and math may lead to additional effort and interest in the subjects. From me, kudos to the original poster. -Matt

    4. Re:File under "selfish" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I take it you keep your food and entertainment expenses below a dollar a day, live in your barely-working car, and donate all your extra income to charity? If not, STFU.

    5. Re:File under "selfish" by damn_registrars · · Score: 1

      If he was posting for advice on the ultimate gaming PC, would you still be encouraging him to donate his money for one of these causing and flipping him crap for being "selfish"?

      Not if it was worded that way, I would not. However the original post read

      So, if you were going to put a tribute to the great math and science minds on your body forever, which ones would you choose?

      Which rather plainly states that he wants great math and science remembered. And being as his body - and hence his tattoos - will not last "forever", there are other less selfish ways to show that he sees math and science as important.

      If he wants a tattoo, that is his decision. But he shouldn't be trying to make a call for his own sainthood in the process. There are many better ways to honor science than with body art, and I listed just a few of them earlier. Basically the article wreaks heavily of "my friends have tattoos and I want one too, how can I make it science-y or math-y?".

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    6. Re:File under "selfish" by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      I think perhaps you are reading more into his question than is really there. I took it as, "I would like a tattoo. I really like math and science, so I would like whatever tattoo I get to relate to those areas of interests." It's always possible that my bias is influencing my interpretation of his question, but I really don't see why he is getting slammed so badly for 1) wanting a tattoo and 2) wanting one relevant to his area(s) of interest.

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    7. Re:File under "selfish" by Dr+Max · · Score: 1

      You’re not taking the conversion factor into account. I don’t know how cool this guy is or you, but if vin diesel or Anthony Kiedis had pi, or the atom of hydrogen on there arm; I reckon a couple more kids would actually take the time to study what it was. you can lead a horse to water (buy a bunch a books, or donate to schools then hope for the best) but seeing a big stallion with a bunch of mares around him drinking as much as he can might do the job better.

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    8. Re:File under "selfish" by Wolvey · · Score: 1

      A math or science tattoo could be a conversation starter, introducing equations to new groups of people. Scientific education through body art and socializing.

      I don't have any tattoos myself and don't want any, but I can understand why some people get them. When people go all-out with them (full sleeves) and they do it right, I'll admit it can look pretty bad ass. Everybody loves art, and you've got it right there on your arm. It's not for everybody but some people wear it well. What the OP suggests could be both cool looking and educational.

  98. Art in Science: Bubble Chamber & 137 by icantbemiyu · · Score: 1

    I have a replication of a bubble chamber photo on my wrist. I think there is so much beauty in science and math, and want to be reminded of this in everything I do....there is more to this world than the petty little things I find myself involved in from time to time. I want to add 137 to it as well. People ask all the time what it means, and it's an open opportunity to drop some knowledge on some people. Of course it helps if you can figure a way to dumb it down so they understand.

    1. Re:Art in Science: Bubble Chamber & 137 by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      I want to add 137 to it as well.

      To how many decimal places? (Yes, it has them. The claim on 137.com that "One hundred thirty-seven is the value of a number called the fine-structure constant." is not true:

      1. 137 is approximately the reciprocal of the fine-structure constant;
      2. the reciprocal of the measured value of the fine-structure constant is a little bit larger than 137.)
    2. Re:Art in Science: Bubble Chamber & 137 by icantbemiyu · · Score: 1

      I want to add 137 to it as well.

      To how many decimal places? (Yes, it has them. The claim on 137.com that "One hundred thirty-seven is the value of a number called the fine-structure constant." is not true:

      1. 137 is approximately the reciprocal of the fine-structure constant;
      2. the reciprocal of the measured value of the fine-structure constant is a little bit larger than 137.)

      137 was rounded off for the purposes of physics promotion. Richard Feynman suggested that all physicists should display the number around their offices and homes as a constant reminder that there is still so much we don't know. Leon Lederman, Director Emeritus of Fermilab, chose 137 Eola Rd. for the address of his home while serving as Director onsite at the Lab. He even joked that if you are every lost, hold up a sign that says 137 and a physicist would come to your aid.

      I enjoy physics education. A simple 137 is all you need to convey the complexity.

      I've also convinced myself that the only guys worth dating are the ones who know what 137 means. Suffice to say, I haven't been on a date in over 2 years.

  99. The Mullet You Can't Get Rid Of by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In another ten years people will look at you and laugh, there's another one who couldn't resist the fad of the time. Stand out by not polluting the look of your skin.

  100. How about ... by Keyslapper · · Score: 1

    The AES128 algorithm in Perl?

    Of course, you might need a special government permit to cross borders ...

    1. Re:How about ... by Animal+Farm+Pig · · Score: 1

      Best idea yet! Turn yourself in an export controlled munition.

  101. Ohm's law isn't. by gus+goose · · Score: 1

    If you didn't know that, then I wonder whether you are as geeky as you think you are..... ... At least consider Kirchoff before embarassing yourself with ohm's.

    Silicon junctions (transistors, diodes, more), batteries, and fluorescent lamp's do not obey 'ohm's law'.... Ohm's law is the observable property of some conductors, it's not a law.

    if you got that one wrong, I would hesitate on going further.

    gus

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  102. I chose something well established by PPH · · Score: 1

    ... like the CPT Theorem.

    Oh, damn. Anyone know where I can get a tattoo removed?

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  103. answers to your next test... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    get the answers to your next test as tattoos !

  104. Are you serious? by Temtongkek · · Score: 1

    Note: I am heavily tattooed. Please take some time and think out a design on your own. As one user stated above, what someone else things is cool might not be what you want to have on your skin for the rest of your life. Tattoo removal, as I understand from folks who have experienced it, hurts far more than getting the tattoo. Plan carefully; tattoos are not (or at least, should not) be things that are rushed into. Take your time.

  105. some people, yeesh... by Thud457 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    dumbkopf! F=mA is obviously a knuckle tattoo!

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    1. Re:some people, yeesh... by BobMcD · · Score: 1

      dumbkopf! F=mA is obviously a knuckle tattoo!

      Along this line, make sure you put it where it can be easily covered up. My former employer had a strict no-tattoo policy, and since 'inked' isn't yet a protected status, they got away with it, too.

  106. Topology by phiz187 · · Score: 1

    I'm not a maths guy, but I bet there is a topology pun somewhere in this idea. You are tattooing on a 2-D surface, stretched over a 3-D frame (your skeleton, muscles...). And isn't there a question in Topology or metaphysics about whether you can test whether the universe is curved, from the vantage point of a observer trapped within the curved universe? I think there is probably a pun in there... Also, isometric(?) representations of 3-D objects in the 2-D medium would be both visually appealing, but with some math relevancy.

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    1. Re:Topology by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      And isn't there a question in Topology or metaphysics about whether you can test whether the universe is curved, from the vantage point of a observer trapped within the curved universe?

      Topology, unlikely; curvature isn't a topological property - you can change the curvature of a space without changing its topological properties. Geometry, yes, and, in fact, surfaces (as opposed to lines) can have intrinsic curvature, independent of how they look from outside. No need to summon up metaphysics.

  107. Definition of the Fourier Transform by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Pretty much the most useful tool ever created.

  108. Mod parent up! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bit bland of a tattoo but really a great starting point!

    Captcha: shamed
    (???)

  109. Best Functional Geek Tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A ruler on your forearm!

    1. Re:Best Functional Geek Tattoo by fishexe · · Score: 1

      A ruler on your forearm!

      I would say on your inner thigh...

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  110. Martini's Law by MBCook · · Score: 1

    Thanks to the Parker Pen Company.

    (3.5G + V/2)/4(H2O)^3 + 3(360deg) = M

    Viewable with proper formatting in link above.

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  111. I would put by dicobalt · · Score: 0

    1+1=2 I'm not so good at math.

  112. Any one of the 'icanhaz.." memes will suffice by bl8n8r · · Score: 1

    icanhazinternets? - tattoo of confused cat with 2400 baud modem
    icanhazhelpdesk? - tattoo of cat wearing geeksquad tshirt
    icanhaznorton? - tatto of cat, laying dead, next to chihuahuha wearing Storm worm tshirt.

    These are all awesome tattoos. We think you should get all of them.. ah, and let us know when you post the pics!

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  113. Same Here by dcollins · · Score: 1

    I've thought about this long and hard for some time now. Food for thought: David Wells' article "Are These The Most Beautiful?" from the 1990 Mathematical Intelligencer magazine:

    http://bomber0.byus.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/are-these-the-most-beautiful.pdf

    Myself, I think I've resolved to get the definition of a limit wrapped around my upper arm.

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  114. Hmmm by Quiet_Desperation · · Score: 1

    How about the Drake equation? Maybe a Calabi Yau equation if you're into string theory, although that might not be very futureproof.

    And what's with the "OH NOES! It am teh forevers!" responses? They've been able to remove tattoos with lasers and other methods for a quite a while now. I personally have no use for tattoos myself, but if the man wants ink that's his decision.

    Man, the geekverse use to be so wild and (small "l") libertarian. WTF happened?

  115. All that and the Sinc... by HaeMaker · · Score: 1
  116. You are a fracking idiot ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    and do not deserve to wear science on your skin.

    Join the ranks of the clueless and change your name to "great pussy".

  117. Balmer Series by TheCarl · · Score: 1

    1/ = R (1/n1^(2) + 1/n2^(2))

  118. $e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0$ by cpotoso · · Score: 1

    $$ e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0 $$

  119. hmmm by thatskinnyguy · · Score: 1

    I think you got some Idle on your front page.

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  120. Math tattooes, the problem. by CherniyVolk · · Score: 1

    E=mc^2 is probably the only one recognizable to most people. Most of those people will more associate that equation to "Einstein" than to math or physics. Most of the remaining will associate the equation to being the main equation in General Relativity rather than simply a part of Special Relativity. Fewer people ever took a physics class that actually had them use the equation, most of these people will associate the equation to the Nuclear Bomb. Almost all of these people won't realize Einsteins Nobel Prize lends more to his work with photosynthesis and photoelectric (how light can be converted into energy, how plants do it); they think he got it because of this simple equation only. Most people can regurgitate "Energy equals mass times the speed of light squared" with a great deal of undeserved confidence; though even many who hold degrees in physics might still have some issues actually understanding what the equation means and entails; the entire set of concepts that surround this equation, from General and Special Relativity to quantum sciences.

    So, you see. If you understand E=mc^2, one of the most famous equations of the modern age. So few actually knows anything about it; though everyone will have an opinion or belief of what it might mean. A theoretical physicist might appreciate and understand your message, but the every day person will just see it as a synonym for genius and might think you are thinking a bit high of yourself.

    Oh, and if you get more complicated, good luck finding a tattoo artist that knows this stuff. Take a look at all the bad tattooes out there with blatant misspellings. Now think of how tedious some of these math equations get. You better make damn sure they get it right, make damn sure YOU have it right. Otherwise, you'll come of really stupid with a tattoo of the Pythagorean theorem that's ultimately incorrect and every high school kid is going to know it.

  121. Cheating? by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    I hope this person is never planning on taking any math or science courses at a University (perhaps he already has all the education he'll ever get). I wonder how a professor or academic review committee would view an armful of equations tattooed on a student? They generally frown upon writing formulae on your skin with an ink pen. . .

  122. One that says "I'm so stupid..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...I crowd-sourced my Tattoo to Slashdot!"

    I would suggest trying the same thing over at 4Chan, but I think the ensuing tattoo would result in a lengthy prison sentence...

  123. Combining two interests by rwhamann · · Score: 1

    As a motorcyclist and geek, I've been contemplating "a = delta v / delta t" in classic math textbook font.

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    1. Re:Combining two interests by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Acceleration has dimensions of L/T^2. Your equation gives acceleration the dimensions of L/T. Fail.

    2. Re:Combining two interests by element-o.p. · · Score: 1

      As a fellow motorcyclist and geek..."Sweet!"

      Offtopic: what do you ride?

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  124. 1984 by Varsik · · Score: 1

    2+2=5

  125. Cheat Sheet by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Make sure you will never be writing an exam in the subject ever again. Failing due to having a tattoo cheat sheet would really suck.

    1. Re:Cheat Sheet by mysidia · · Score: 1

      I'm afraid if you want to be safe, you'll have to ask the instructor ahead of time and point it out.

      They will have to make some sort of accomadation for you.

      Perhaps by asking you to recite the formulas with your eyes closed to prove you know the equations.

      Or (I suppose) you will be wearing long sleeves on test day and not be allowed to look at your own arm, until you are done testing.

  126. 6x9=42 by radicalpi · · Score: 1

    Maybe not the most mathematical formula ever, but definitely has a strong following9=42 ;)

  127. sierpinski gasket or a slide rule. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A friend of mine had a sierpinski gasket on his forearm (it was the third image in this diagram [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sierpinski_triangle_evolution.svg]).

    If you are willing two get two sleeves, you could put a logarithm on each forearm. Then if you need two multiply two large numbers in a pinch, you can use them as a slide rule.

  128. Obligatory xkcd by somaTh · · Score: 0

    Binding people is hilarious, but how about commenting?

    http://xkcd.com/156/

    I'm not sure I'd want two green fingers the rest of my life, though.

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    1. Re:Obligatory xkcd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      At least get up to date if you want an xkcd reference:
      http://xkcd.com/759/

      Or at least admit how often you'll get laid with a math(s) tattoo:
      http://xkcd.com/55/

    2. Re:Obligatory xkcd by religious+freak · · Score: 1

      lol - haven't seen that one before! I like it and will use it!!

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  129. One Word by NEDHead · · Score: 0

    Henna

  130. Forever saying, "im don't get this" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Other ppls formulas are only cool until you grock them...

  131. my choices, if I were a tattoo type by agrif · · Score: 1

    For physics, get the Lorentz Trasformations, or the metric equation for spacetime. Or, of course, you could just use one of their eventual products, the relativistic energy-momentum equation. It's the father of E=mc^2, but it has far more science cred. Maxwell's equations are fine and dandy, but remember that magnetism is just the relativistic expression of the electric field. To my mind, relativity is more beautiful. But for the love of god, use the versions of these equations where c = 1 unitless, or they'll be a mess!

    Oh boy, I almost forgot quantum. The Schrödinger equation would not be a bad choice, either.

    For math, I'd do Taylor's Theroem, especially since you seem to have interest in physics. For more nerd cred, use the multidimensional version with the integral form of the remainder included. For that matter, the multidimensional fundamental theorem of calculus (divergence theorem) would be cool too, but none of this sissy 3-dimensional stuff, go for full generality! Euler's Identity has been mentioned, and that's cool, but I'd go with the more mind-blowing and fundamental Euler's Formula. The Gamma function would also be a fine choice.

  132. Take you time by the_hellspawn · · Score: 0

    I knew I wanted a tattoo before I was out of High School. I joined the military (19) and still wanted one. I asked myself over and over again; "what do I want?" I wanted something that was me, but not the military me. At the time I was a skater and a bit odd and different. I expressed myself and didn't want color in my tattoo for sure, and just plain old black tattoos were for me. I finally made up my mind at the age of 23. After a year of pondering where to get it and if this is what I wanted I got inked. Very happy with what I got and have not regrets. I did my tattoo in an Italian shop at the 'Gray Mall' in Aviano. Great memories and a great tattoo. My advice is take the advice of the posters and ideas, put it together and sit on it for a few months. You might find that one equation and idea don't go together after a bit of time looking at it on and off. Once the pattern is hammered out, next is to figure out where to put it. Keep in mind that where ever you put it and it is seen you may not get hired anywhere; because of the tattoo. Place it where your business/business casual work attire will hide it from your co-workers and peers. You want to be known for the work you do and not by something else. Good luck and take you time.

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    1. Re:Take you time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tattoos are for suckas! Go on lemmings and ride right off that cliff. Follow the sounds of morons.

  133. So much for *ML by Senior+Frac · · Score: 1

    I find it offensive that you can get a well-formed equation tattooed on your butt before I can get a decent one displayed using markup on my web pages in a cross-browser manner.

  134. This arm is to narrow to contain it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Along with some variation of Fermat's Last Theorem.

  135. Pythagorean theorem by ThinkWeak · · Score: 1

    It's pretty simplistic, but it's one of the most widespread and easiest to identify. I imagine an artist could do a fairly good job representing this equation graphically without writing it out explicitly.

    The sleeve is a pretty neat idea. I think it could work out very well if you pick functions/equations that can be visualized.

  136. No. Tattoos look like trash. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Tattoos aren't in and of themselves lame.

    It's a fad.

    It's amazing how the dress and look of common trash becomes popular. Yes, tattoos and piercings make one look like trash. It's really hard to take some seriously when there's shit sticking out of their eyebrows, ear lobe things that make one look like a yuppie Bush tribesmen, and a tongue piercing.

    yeah, yeah, yeah....don't judge someone by the way they look and I got a problem, blah blah blah blah.

    People make snap judgments about others. Get over it. That's why you show up for an interview in a suit. That's why you show up for a date bathed and with your teeth brushed.

    Sure, eventually you can win someone over when they get to know you but many folks won't give you the chance if you look like a fad chasing lemming that permanently disfigures themselves to follow a trend.

    It makes you look stupid.

    I tell you, years ago, I knew this plastic surgeon that was making mega bucks removing tattoos from bikers and I just see all those young folks getting their tattoos removed and his business increasing.

    Career hint: Go to medical school and specialize in tattoo removal! Lots of business ahead.

    There's a new fashion trend/fad forming. I see a lot of black kids dressing like the 60's brat pack: the hats, plaid shorts, the shoes are contemporary though, and the sun glasses - it's actually a good look. And since black culture drives fashion, music and everything else that's cool in this country, folk's tattoos are about to look REAL dated.

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    1. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by gstoddart · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's a fad.

      Well, it's thousands of years old. At the moment, I would agree, it is a bit of a fad. But, again, in and of themselves, tattoos aren't the problem, it's bad choices on what to get, and where to get it. Admittedly, it's a lot more prevalent.

      It's really hard to take some seriously when there's shit sticking out of their eyebrows, ear lobe things that make one look like a yuppie Bush tribesmen, and a tongue piercing.

      I actually understand what you're saying, I just don't understand the bile -- it's not like it has anything to do with you. Yes, I see kids getting their neck done, or getting the big ear-lobe thing, and I worry that in a few years those are going to be career-limiters. Because, even as someone involved with tattoo culture, there's certain things I am aware of will give the average person the willies.

      People make snap judgments about others. Get over it. That's why you show up for an interview in a suit.

      When I show up in a suit, you don't see any ink. My eyebrow piercing is long gone, and nobody seems to even notice my earrings anymore. By choice, I don't have anything more extreme that is visible to anybody unless I want it to be.

      tattoos are about to look REAL dated

      Well, then 40% of Gen-X is about to look REAL dated. Probably a higher percentage of Gen-Next is well on their way to getting ink. And, shockingly, an increasing amount of boomers are getting inked.

      Hell, I know school teachers with tattoos. Typically discrete things that would never actually be shown at school.

      You're over-generalizing to all of the "in your face" (literally and figuratively) stuff that people get done, and extrapolating that everybody who has ever gotten a tattoo. Why you're venting this much spleen at the concept of tattoo is hard to guess.

      Seriously, it's not your damned lawn, grandpa. Get over it.

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    2. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      Tattoos aren't in and of themselves lame.

      It's a fad.

      A fad?
      You write off ~7,000 years of tattooing as a fad?
      On that timescale, the only thing that's a fad is the (now dying)
      religiously motivated suppression of tattooing by Westerne cultures.

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    3. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by floodo1 · · Score: 0

      who the fuck are you to judge what is trash and waht is "actually a good look"??? I tell you, days ago, I knew this tattoo artists who was making mega bucks giving tattoos to bikers and I just see all those young folks getting new tattoos and his business increasing. (to throw in useless anecdotal evidence ^^ ). you're a straight up fool if you think that tattoos are a fad, or are trending downwards. It's sorta like weed that way, all the kids are doing it

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    4. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by dnahelicase · · Score: 1

      It's a fad.

      People make snap judgments about others. Get over it. That's why you show up for an interview in a suit. That's why you show up for a date bathed and with your teeth brushed.

      Sure, eventually you can win someone over when they get to know you but many folks won't give you the chance if you look like a fad chasing lemming that permanently disfigures themselves to follow a trend.

      It makes you look stupid.

      It's true, compared to the new LED technologies that are out there, a simple 2D inked design is going to be old and lame and do nothing but date you as you age. What you should do is set the new, modern, fashion trend and get some sort of small flexible digital display. Then you can change the equations as our understanding changes, as well as furthering your geekiness with the latest interests that you have.

      Perhaps you could include bluetooth or wifi so that you could pull RSS feeds, the weather, your caller ID? Don't worry about all of that yet, just make sure you get the hardware. http://xkcd.com/644/

    5. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by D+Ninja · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's why you show up for a date bathed and with your teeth brushed.

      Ohhhh...

    6. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by AnonymousClown · · Score: 0, Troll
      Ah! The Slahdotov line by line pedantic defense!

      I'll have use the anti-pedantic defense....

      Bile? I was just making an observation in somewhat colorful terms. And it annoys me when people justify fads.

      When I show up in a suit, you don't see any ink. My eyebrow piercing is long gone, and nobody seems to even notice my earrings anymore. By choice, I don't have anything more extreme that is visible to anybody unless I want it to be.

      So, you are ashamed of some of your tattoos.

      Check and mate.

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    7. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      Exactly. Tattoos are essentially fashion. Fashion comes and goes. The problem with tattooos is that they don't actually leave when the fashion changes...

      People look at old people with their old people tattoos and laugh, but then don't think that they might be an old person someday. Tattoos 50 years ago were about getting drunk while in the navy. Tattoos 10 years ago were about pissing off your parents. Tattoos today are about conforming with the cliques. 30 years from now we're going to have heavily tattooed parents exasperated that their kids have no ink.

      This is the forum for nerds and geeks - why do we care about fashionable stuff?

    8. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      How is this modded interesting, and not flamebait? His sole contribution is essentially off-topic: the OP and everyone else already has decided whether they like tattooo, and "[they] make one look like trash." and everything else he says falls well short of constructive criticism.

      Tattoos are hot. See what I did there? Boy, won't this lead to an interesting intellectual conversation. If you think people like this or this look like trash, then you've transformed trash into a compliment. I've never met you, and yet I can assure you that they both look much better than you do.

      People make snap judgments about others. Get over it. That's why you show up for an interview in a suit. That's why you show up for a date bathed and with your teeth brushed.

      Actually, I wear what I want to wear to interviews, and have never not gotten a job I interviewed for. Last time, I wore a pink button up shirt, tan corduroy sport coat (albeit Calvin Klein), Levis, and nice dress shoes; it was very sunny so I wore my aviator glasses outside, and had them in my hand or my breast pocket indoors.

      Also, I wear what I want to wear to businesses. The genuinely good ones will treat you exactly the same as everyone else, and the others aren't worth my money. I was particularly impressed with Park Place Ltd, a very high end car dealership, for treating me well back when I was checking out the Lotus Elise before it arrived in the states.

      The only places where I dress in a fashion dictated by others are places where part of the reason for going is the ambience afforded by a particular fashion -- e.g., nice restaurants, dates, weddings, funerals. Otherwise, it's whatever I want. I have no tattoos, mind you, but I think you're a fucking idiot for trying to perpetuate such close-mindedness and fear of what others think. It's a big world, and thankfully people who are open-minded have a tendency to find each other.

    9. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's a new fashion trend/fad forming. I see a lot of black kids dressing like the 60's brat pack: the hats, plaid shorts, the shoes are contemporary though, and the sun glasses - it's actually a good look. And since black culture drives fashion, music and everything else that's cool in this country, folk's tattoos are about to look REAL dated.

      Yeah, because no young black people have tats.

    10. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by gstoddart · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Bile? I was just making an observation in somewhat colorful terms. And it annoys me when people justify fads.

      I'm not justifying the 'fad' of tattoos. It took me 20 years of serious thought and waiting to get my first tattoo -- it's not like I jumped on the bandwagon and decided to get one last week. So, not everybody who gets ink is part of the 'fad'. Back in the late 80's, there were books like this. Some of us have been aware of, and interested in, body modification for a long time.

      "By choice, I don't have anything more extreme that is visible to anybody unless I want it to be."

      So, you are ashamed of some of your tattoos.

      No. Absolutely not. I carefully placed my tattoos where I could selectively hide or show them depending on the situation. For business stuff, I prefer they not be visible because some asshats will just not get it. If I'm in a swimming pool, well, you're gonna see ink.

      Check and mate.

      Ass and hole. Dick and Wad. Slap and Nuts. How about Jack and Ass?

      Do you really think you've scored some great point of debate? Oh, wait, you're just a professional troll, and I've been suckered. I see what you did there.

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    11. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a woman with a lot of tattoos, those who will judge me negatively based on my tattoos are doing me a favor by avoiding me entirely. Some may believe that tattoos are trashy, and that I am trashy because of them, but I'm not. And that absolutely hasn't been my experience. I can't think of a single negative comment or experience that clearly derived from my tattoos. I receive multiple compliments nearly every day.

      I still really enjoy all of my tattoos, even those that are 10+ years old and no longer represent me as accurately as they once did. The lines are still clean and they still look beautiful.

    12. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by mdarksbane · · Score: 4, Funny

      Umm, no? He realizes that while he likes his tattoos not everyone shares his opinions?

      I think my cock is awesome but I don't show up for a job interview in crotchless chaps.

    13. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      a fad chasing lemming that permanently disfigures themselves to follow a trend

      I always used the "Bomber" lemmings too! But I think you've got it backwards, the whole point of the game is to KEEP them from following the usual lemming trend.

    14. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your ignorance is eclipsed only by your narrow-mindedness. Only a fool professes his opinion as the gospel truth.

    15. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by codepunk · · Score: 1

      Not to worry there are just as many of us that enjoy the beauty of a heavily tattood woman.

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    16. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't surprise me in the least that bikers want to get their tattoos removed... If you're in an MC and you leave the MC, they require you to have them removed or blacked out. Enforcement of this policy is rare, but potentially lethal.

    17. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Abcd1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

      I think my cock is awesome but I don't show up for a job interview in crotchless chaps.

      Best. Analogy. Ever.

    18. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Achra · · Score: 5, Insightful

      By the gods, I wish that I had modpoints today. Protip: Don't argue against tattoos to the tattoo'd. They are maniacally pro-ink (and they MUST be! They'll be inked for the rest of their lives!). As the saying goes: If you have no tattoos, don't get any tattoos. If you HAVE tattoos, get MORE tattoos. It used to be that tattoos and body modifications were mostly used as a mechanism to show membership in a particular group. Nowadays, it seems that people get ink to show that they are a member of the "people who have ink" group. Not sure what to make of that, tempted to think "fad", just as you stated. I'm sure I'll be flamed for this, just like you were. I was a US Marine (am, I suppose. Once/Always, etc.) and I saw more young marines getting inked than NOT getting inked. They wanted to show that they were part of a group, that they belonged. I managed to avoid getting inked back then, and I figure if I didn't get inked in the Marines, then I might as well skip it going forward. I'm not against a tasteful tattoo on a man, think tattoos on women are gross, and think that all of the "people who judge me based on my tattoos are wrong." crowd are naive. People judge me based on my face and appearance all day long. As a people, we look at a face and body and make a snap decision about that person. It is how we've evolved to survive. and to be honest, I know that the in-your-face tattoo crowd are making snap judgements about my face when they see it, too.

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    19. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by uvajed_ekil · · Score: 1

      It's amazing how the dress and look of common trash becomes popular. Yes, tattoos and piercings make one look like trash. It's really hard to take some seriously when there's shit sticking out of their eyebrows, ear lobe things that make one look like a yuppie Bush tribesmen, and a tongue piercing.

      So you think all tattoos are piercings, and result in shit sticking out of people's faces? I thought this started off as a discussion of what sort of nerdy tattoo someone might want to put somewhere on his body. What a twisted, closed-minded way to think bout this.

      And since black culture drives fashion, music and everything else that's cool in this country, folk's tattoos are about to look REAL dated.

      That's another bold, ignorant statement based on a very narrow personal opinion, and bordering on racist. And assuming you are speaking of the USA, I should inform you that tattoos are also quite popular now in urban Canada, much of Europe, and many other parts of the world. Also, just because something seems like a new phenomenon to you, that does not necessarily make it a fad that will pass next week.

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    20. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      I'll tell you what really makes you look stupid.

      Posts like this.

      Your intolerance, and apolgistic attitute towards that intolerance are pretty funny when seen from this perspective.

      Simply your statement that some people are "common trash" is breathtaking, in this light.

      Way to go, dude, you rule! You have convinced me that if "common trash" does exist you have a much higher proabaility to be in that group, by your actions and thought patterns, than anyone with $random_appearance - including tattoos.

      Regards.

    21. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by hypergreatthing · · Score: 1

      You got it right. It's all about appearances and judging people. You want to disfigure yourself then by all means, but don't sugarcoat the reason why you got it to begin with. You felt as if you wanted to belong or stand apart from others. Instead of trying to get people to know you, you got something that they would be able to see immediately and judge you immediately. So don't complain afterward that people treat you differently because you wanted them to. I mean most of the times the ones you see the most are on the face, and you didn't get them because they look good, because you aren't looking in the mirror all the time to see them yourself.

    22. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by radtea · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Tattoos 50 years ago were about getting drunk while in the navy.

      And don't forget: the reason why you did that back then was to prove what a Real Tough Man(TM) you were.

      I'd love to see what those 70-year-old guys think now that half the teenage girls they see have more ink than they do. I knew a number of middle-aged guys thiry years ago who had got tattoos when they were twenty years younger, and they all felt kinda stupid about it then. By now they must feel unbelievably stupid, because they realize that what their younger selves considered a mark of manly toughness was no big deal, since virtually everyone has more than sufficient pain tolerance to get inked.

      Tattooing as a practice has been around forever, usually as a means of expressing some aspect of social status, mostly among men. So while tattooing is certainly not a fad, the current "express your unique identity via a tattoo" certainly is, just as the "express how manly and tough you are" was.

      Hopefully when this fad passes people will realize that tattooing is no big deal, one way or another. It can be useful for people struggling to express their identity, but it says mostly, "This person went through a time in their life when they were sufficiently uncertain of who they were that they felt the need to spend money and time and a trivial amount of pain on ensuring some aspect of who they thought they were at the moment would be emblazoned on their skin."

      People who are secure in their identity don't need to do that. For some people who aren't secure in their identity it can genuinely help. For most, it's treating the symptom, not the cause, and that's rarely a good idea.

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    23. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by SBFCOblivion · · Score: 1

      Do you have a letter I could subscribe to where you make known all things you approve/disapprove of? I'd hate to make a decision in life that you wouldn't be happy with.

      Fuck.

    24. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by iksnae · · Score: 1

      tattoos are hardly a fad, it's just become more accepted... fads don't last 5 millennia. people have been augmenting their bodies since they discovered it was possible. in a world of drones some of us like to separate ourselves from the pack(hence the idea of a math/science tat), even at the cost of others discomfort.

    25. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by gstoddart · · Score: 1

      By the gods, I wish that I had modpoints today. Protip: Don't argue against tattoos to the tattoo'd. They are maniacally pro-ink

      And, more generally, don't go around saying "all people in group X are deficient because I say so". It's not about ink, it's about people standing on the side and saying "all people not like me are bad people".

      If I said all military people are loudmouth assholes, and that's all there is to it, you as a former Marine would rightly take umbrage to it. If I said all religious people are wrong, someone would take exception to that. If I said everyone who uses emacs is a tool and should surrender and use my beloved vi ... well, you get the point.

      I don't give a shit if the poster is persuaded that tattoos aren't such a bad thing. I don't care if you or anyone else has their mind changed about tattoos. But don't say "all tattoos are bad and the people getting them are idiots".

      As a general rule, if someone says "all people I disagree with are shitheads" (which the poster was effectively saying) -- then I'm going to call them on it. Hell, I have defended religion here on Slashdot, and I'm not religious -- because irrational gibbering is more offensive that honest disagreement.

      What irks me far more on Slashdot is people who have a limited perspective making broad, categorical statements that can't really be defended or justified from any rational basis. It's just venomous screeching with no room for discourse. But, dammit, they're fucking right, and there's no way around it.

      Seriously, it's not about the tattoos. It's about how you talk to people, and if you show a little respect for dissenting points of view without being a complete dick.

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    26. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Achra · · Score: 1

      Protip: Don't argue against tattoos to the tattoo'd. They are maniacally pro-ink

      And, more generally, don't go around saying "all people in group X are deficient because I say so".

      Um, I didn't say that anybody was deficient. I said they were pro-ink. You're the one that is inferring that to mean a deficiency. Check yourself.

      It's about how you talk to people, and if you show a little respect for dissenting points of view without being a complete dick.

      Again, Check Yourself.

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    27. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by LanMan04 · · Score: 1

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_tattooing

      "Tattooing has been a Eurasian practice since Neolithic times. "Ötzi the Iceman", dated circa 3300 BC, bearing 57 tattoos: a cross on the inside of the left knee, six straight lines 15 centimeters long above the kidneys and numerous small parallel lines along the lumbar, legs and the ankles, exhibiting possible therapeutic tattoos (treatment of arthritis). Tarim Basin (West China, Xinjiang) revealed several tattooed mummies of a Western (Western Asian/European) physical type. Still relatively unknown (the only current publications in Western languages are those of J P. Mallory and V H. Mair, The Tarim Mummies, London, 2000), some of them could date from the end of the 2nd millennium BC."

      Boy, that is one long-lived fad! If only slap-bracelets, pogs, and pet rocks had lasted that long.....

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    28. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Mab_Mass · · Score: 1

      Protip: Don't argue against tattoos to the tattoo'd. They are maniacally pro-ink (and they MUST be! They'll be inked for the rest of their lives!).

      Actually, I think that some of the most vocal opinions on tattoos come from those who DON'T have any. For those of us who have them (I have two that can be easily hidden when in professional circumstances since I recognize that a lot of people actively dislike them), it really isn't a big deal.

      I'd be willing to bet that a lot of your colleagues and acquaintances have ink in places that you'll never see, and I'd also be willing to bet that most of them don't care that you don't have any.

      Is there a fad to tattoos? Certainly. At the same time, I have tattoos that represent significant moments in my life, and I know that for a lot of people, the tattoos represent very significant personal events.

      At this point in time, tattoos are just too widespread to make any blanket statements about the "type" of person who gets one.

    29. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hell, I know school teachers with tattoos.

      Today's high school teachers also violate the dress code, interact with their students, their parents, and coworkers inappropriately, and boast about drinking and recreational drug use. Teachers who have been around for a while are disgusted at these barely grown up teenage-wannabes lowering the bar for quality instruction. They are often first to be fired due to dismal performance, because they are too concerned with being cool, hip, and a friend to the students. The smarter kids often transfer out because they want a "real" teacher and know these poseurs cannot deliver. Re-entering high school as an adult is, to them, an extension of their college years and another way to avoid being "grown up".

      I would not use today's school teachers as some kind of measurement for personal responsibility, morality, or ethics. As a high school math teacher and the son of two high school teachers, please at consider what I am saying.

      To get on topic: Most kids regret the tattoos they get because it was a spur of the moment decision. The worst thing you can get at that age is the year of your graduation because high school is magically lame once you are in college. I've seen enough of them in tears about it to know it's not something to take lightly.

    30. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by lennier · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry, but as soon as I read 'maniacally pro-ink' I started mentally substituting 'tentacle' for 'tattoo' and it just went all Monty Octopus from there.

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    31. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by BJ_Covert_Action · · Score: 1

      Best. Analogy. Ever.

    32. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      Tats have been around hundreds of years, that's one huge fad.
      Now, the American culture has learned to accept/introduce them into mainstream society very recently. You are probably referring to that.

      It doesn't make you look stupid, bad tats in bad places make you look stupid.
      Just the same as a bad shirt, or bad hairdo makes you look stupid.
      You sound like the kind of guy I would scowl at and walk away, wow. Black culture in does not influence fashion, people do. There are a subset of people that follow pop fashion (what you call "black"), but you'll notice those individuals are containerized. If you look at the whole gammet, the following influence fashion: music (of all forms), sports (of all forms), popular movies, commercials, and even what's sold.

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    33. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's be honest here. Everyone who thinks that something is valuable to them is likely to be committed to defending their purchase, choice, or opinion. Examples could include tattoos, abortion, religion, motorcycles, guns, Apple products, solar power, nuclear power, etc.

      If I am passionate about something, I am likely to defend my decision. I think it's fair to say that I am not alone in that statement. So I would say your Protip is not as limited as you attempt to make it seem.

      People who spend time, or money, or skin space on something are likely to be committed to defending their position, especially if there are people who are vehemently opposed to their choice.

    34. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Coop · · Score: 1

      It's not just so show that they're part of a group, it's to show that the group means so much to them that they're willing to wear a flag of that identity on their skin for the rest of their life.
       
      "Once a Marine always a Marine" is what the lifetime guys say, and they're the ones getting the tattoos, but the ones who aren't so sure about that aren't gonna get a tat.

      We're all Slashdotters here, but only 27 of us value our membership in this group enough to have /. tattooed onto our bodies.

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    35. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by johnlcallaway · · Score: 1

      So you know a bunch of stupid people. They must like your company, maybe you make them feel smart. How old are you anyway .. judging from your know-it-all attitude, I'd say about 19.

      I'm a 50 year old man who got a tattoo 30 years ago, and it still looks good. And people of all ages still ask me about it and I still show it off.

      People who like the idea of a tattoo and enjoy fine art should probably get one. People who are self-righteous and think they know what is right for other people should just shut the fuck up .. they are annoying and no one pays them any attention anyway.

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    36. Re:No. Tattoos look like trash. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      tits or GTFO

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  137. XKCD by painandgreed · · Score: 1

    Personally, if I was in the same spot, I'd go and look over all the XKCD comics and pick my favorite. It's nice black line art that would go well with a tattoo, particularly if surrounded by equations.

    On the more personal side, I would probably get the equations from Tippler's "Rotating Cylinders and the Possibility of Global Causality Violation" which is essentially showing that physics does not care about causality and time travel is possible.

    1. Re:XKCD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, getting an XKCD tattoo would certainly prove you are a sheep and prevent you from ever getting quality pussy. Congrats!

  138. Fine Structure Constant by Theory+of+Everything · · Score: 1

    I suggest you tattoo the inverse of the dimensionless fine structure constant (1/alpha) to as many digits as it is currently measured (137.035999). As a dimensionless quantity that pops up quite naturally in quantum mechanics, it is truly universal*, as it is the same regardless of one's system of measurements (SI, cgs, Imperial, CowboyNeal Units, etc.).

    Alternatively, you could go with the Arecibo Message, the Pioneer Plaque, or the Voyager Golden Record.

    *Note: universality not guaranteed at exceptionally large red shifts.

  139. Wait a few years for digital ink... by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

    And then just add things as they are discovered.

    Actually, if you do plan on doing this, make ABSOLUTELY sure that the artist knows what the hell you're going for and is aware of how the symbols should look. Quite frequently when doing any kind of word or text or numbers that are unfamiliar, there are typos that are made. I have seen, at least 3x in my life, people who have spelling errors in their ink. I can only imagine they'll have plenty of room to screw this up, and you don't want to be the dumbass walking around with, essentially, 2+2=5 on your arm.

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    1. Re:Wait a few years for digital ink... by ad0n · · Score: 1

      hahah.. had to share a (similar) story: a friend from a northern town in canada told me he knew of someone who got the "Maori" face tattoos done. Except one day this person met someone from that part of the world. Apparently, the guy had used the "Maori female" tattoo patterns instead. hahah. i'm sure there's a morale here somewhere.. (i *think* this is a true story.. either way, worth a sad laugh)..

    2. Re:Wait a few years for digital ink... by dafing · · Score: 1

      "that part of the world" is New Zealand, and you are referring to Moko http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%81_moko , which are personal, I would assume fairly unique, not just "male" and "female"

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  140. Life, the Universe, and Everything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    6 x 9 = 42.

    1. Re:Life, the Universe, and Everything by pikester · · Score: 1

      I second this one!

  141. Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land for Ideas by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Watch Donald Duck in Mathmagic Land, you tube it or something. The golden ratio from the Pythagoreans making up the proportions would probably be cool, yeah?

  142. Suggestions by michael_cain · · Score: 1

    Possible suggestions, that lend themselves to equation form: the fundamental theorem of calculus; the central limit theorem; Taylor series expansion of a function; any of several definitions for e.

  143. Some suggestions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would recommend forgoing straight equations in favor of some visual art. If you were just getting a little script on your forearm or wrist, that's one thing. But if you have enough ink to constitute a sleeve, I personally would go in a more abstract direction. You can always incorporate the equations into the work in a literal (but diminutive) sense as well.

    Art with a physical/mathematical back-story is fabulous, although, make sure it's a story that you don't mind repeating ad nauseam, because if the sleeve looks good, you will be prompted by "what is your tattoo?", everywhere, all the time. If the back-story is subtle, you can always vary the amount of explanation you give.

    A friend of mine has a couple of fractal tattoos; for the uninitiated, they look like pretty pictures. I went a different route, less mathematical (one of Darwin's finches, Russel's teapot, etc.) for my tattoos.

    It's going to take you a while to come up with something. Art isn't borne of a vacuum; you may even get some good suggestions from the comments here (along side a majority of frightened vitriol.) When you have an idea, take it to a custom shop and get the artist to draw it up. If he/she doesn't have the artistic vision or ability to come up with something that you like, based on your inspiration, go somewhere else. Don't be scared off by flash on the walls; but I'd be wary of any shop that doesn't do a majority of custom work. Depending on where you live, you may have to leave town.

    Good luck!

  144. Asking for advice on tattoos is dumb by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

    If the math equation isn't intimately connected to you already, why would you go ahead and get it tattooed on your body on the advice of a crowd of /.ers? You should be able to explain what the equation is, its history, what it's used for, and why it is meaningful to you, and for bonus points demonstrate a proof. Not be all like, "Yeah, a bunch of geeks on this web site said it was cool, so I got it."

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  145. Navier-Stokes - Spherical coords by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Navier-Stokes spherical coords http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier%E2%80%93Stokes_equations#Spherical_coordinates
    You might need to overflow onto your back, other arm and legs. ;)

  146. I have a pi tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my right calf. Simple, effective, easily identifiable. I got it to celebrate my analytical, geeky side. Plus, I had just moved out on my own, so I figured that called for celebration, too.

    I also have Gumby on my left bicep, which I got in college for reasons I can neither remember, nor fathom.

  147. Seriously? by thepropain · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This questions was actually Slashdot-worthy? Ya know, unlike a certain other board, Slashdot actually was good at some point in the past... But to answer the last question I'll ever answer here: tattoos are meant to be personal. If you have to ask someone else if/what you should get permanenly marked on your skin, you should probably not be considering getting a tattoo at all. Operating under the assumption that you'll go ahead with it, are there mathematical formulas and/or symbols that actually mean something to you on an emotional level? Those are what you should get. Seriously, though, don't take any answers from here. If you do, you'll be just like every other tattooed hipster douchebag trying to be socially ironic: permanently stamped with FAIL.

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  148. not this $#!+ again by ebunga · · Score: 1

    If you can't decide on the tattoo you want on your own, without any outside help, you do not need this tattoo.

  149. A heart. by dmomo · · Score: 1

    Not an atomically correct one. Mathematical curve. I've seen this one somewhere before:
    ((x^2)+(y^2)-1)-(x^2)(y^3)=0

  150. Re:Euler's Identity, Entropy & Gaussian Distri by fermion · · Score: 1
    I suppose I would get the mass energy equation

    e^2=m^2c^4+p^2c^2

    Since I think it pretty much symbolizes all that is amazing about modern science. That mass and energy, mass and waves, everything, is fundamentally the same thing. That massless objects have energy just live massive objects. This is really why i hate the simplified form, as it does not express the full beauty of the world, only that we can make atomic bombs. I think the full equation would remind me that the world is not as simple as some want it to be, but still reducible and beautiful.

    Though some people think that integrals and the like are sexy, so I would include some of those. And maybe some div and grad, maybe the god said type thing.

    And then the bra-ket stuff is always fun.

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  151. Cheating by Normal+Dan · · Score: 1

    So, if you tattoo equations on your arm, would it be considered cheating on a physics test? On one hand, you aren't memorizing the equations, on the other hand, they will always be with you, which is a lot like memorization. Even better some might say.

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  152. Pi : = 3.14 by n1ckml007 · · Score: 1

    You could get = 3.314... It just would take forever for the tattoo artist to complete it.

  153. Fractal? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I always thought it would be rad to see a tattoo of the Mandelbrot set.

  154. Leap of faith? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    More like he'll take that claim with him to the grave.

    Such are tattoos and unprovable conjectures.

  155. Be unique... by Rooked_One · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't get any tattoos. I can only name 2 people that I know that don't have something...

    The older I get, the older that the "hip" crowd gets, and it just looks plain pathetic to be 30+ and have all these tattoos... Just think how bad the population is going to look 20 years from now - you'll have all these 40 yr olds that have way too much "ink" and you'll have none. I can't wait to be one of the very very few people who can say "I didn't get a tattoo because I wanted to be unique" at my 20 yr high school reunion.

    1. Re:Be unique... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If wanting to be unique is your justification for avoiding a tattoo, you're in the same category as people wanting to be unique and thus getting a tattoo.

    2. Re:Be unique... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it sounds like your motives for not getting a tattoo are just as weak as the people who did get tattoos

      maybe you should not get a tattoo "because you don't want one"
      maybe someone else should get one "because they want one"

      maybe everyone should stop doing or not doing things in order to impress someone else with their uniqueness, and to their own selves be true

    3. Re:Be unique... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If you do *ANYTHING* to prove how unique and witty you are? You probably aren't unique or witty.

      If you really have such a yearning to set yourself apart from the herd you probably have much deeper issues than having a tattoo you regret.

    4. Re:Be unique... by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Funny

      You're missing the point - tattoos make you unique. Without them, you're just another standard human, another carbon copy drone. After you customize your skin, nobody will ever have anything like it. Like a snowflake, really, no two alike. Your tats become a part of who you are. I'd be lying if I said they weren't addictive, though! Just make sure you live among people who accept your uniqueness instead of intolerant fools.

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    5. Re:Be unique... by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      It's quite sad that you let fashion run your life that way.

      It's not like your arguments are anything to do with tattoos themselves.

      "I'm doing this because it's cool" is the same as "I'm not doing this because it's cool"

      The "fact" that "it looks plain pathetic" has more to do with you and your own life than any one else.

      Hopefully one day you'll see that.

      Regards.

    6. Re:Be unique... by Mab_Mass · · Score: 1

      Good idea. Stand out from that 40% majority! (see page 23 of the report)

    7. Re:Be unique... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only interesting people at my 20yr reunion were the one with tats. The only topic for everyone else was kids, work and who had died.

    8. Re:Be unique... by micromuncher · · Score: 1

      Kind of like those kids at school that show up with the "I'm Unique" T-Shirt. Many artists use a template.

      However, F=ma would be cool on the forearm. (And a=F/m or a=dv/dt on a ladies belly.)

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    9. Re:Be unique... by LanMan04 · · Score: 1
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  156. DaVinci's Vitruvian Man by Jager+Dave · · Score: 1

    The ultimate geek tattoo :P

  157. No question about it by KriticKill · · Score: 1

    E=mc2

    1. Re:No question about it by KriticKill · · Score: 1

      But now that I think about it, a true math geek would probably start with the first few digits of Pi and add to every once in awhile. A sterile design, full body wrap around is possible eventually (what math geek, wouldn't relish being covered in numbers?), but a really creative mind would work an artistic design into it.

  158. living bomb by rainmouse · · Score: 1

    Cant you get a tattoo that divides by zero and turn yourself into a living bomb?

  159. For what it's worth... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have a physics PhD and occasionally interview people for software jobs. Like most people in technical organisations these days, I'm pretty relaxed about what you look like; I don't really care if you turn up to interview in a suit or in jeans and a T-shirt, as long as it (and you) are clean and smell OK. Most days I wear the same outfit myself.

    But if you turned up with G = 8\pi T tattooed on your arm, I would just think you were weird.

  160. Get a T-Shirt by Panaflex · · Score: 1

    You can't take a tatoo off without pain and misery...
    Thirty years from now that tat is going be ugly as crap
    Possible infections, ink poisoning, skin rash & allergies
    Loosing a promotion, all sorts of other inequalities...

    You can always change a shirt, throw it away, make a new one, change your mind... whatever. It's true that a tattoo says/means nothing these days, but sometimes it does.

    And if you do get a tat, make sure you don't have to wear long sleeve shirts everyday - what a pain!

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    1. Re:Get a T-Shirt by bzipitidoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, t-shirt! Was going to say that if no one else had yet.

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  161. Periodic table of elements? by bpsbr_ernie · · Score: 1

    How about the Periodic table of elements... :)

  162. Names in Binary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been thinking about getting my name and my kids names in binary around my bicep.

    If I'm ever found dead a decently intelligent detective / should be able to identify me and notify my next of kin. :-p

  163. ZFC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Zermelo-Fraenkel axioms for set theory (with or without choice, according to your taste).

  164. Some good ones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    E = MC^2 (Most famous one after all)
    F = MA
    Newton's law of gravity

  165. Best solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Intel Inside logo. The best place to get this tattoo is on your head. You can cover it with you hair or a hat unless you're at quakecon then you can get girls with it. Trust me I know!!

  166. The Genetalia of the opposite sex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because that may be as close as you're going to get to it with tattoos like that.

  167. Save your money and put it in your 401K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hope you live in a cold climate, because you will look silly going to a job interview with long sleeves in July.

    I have been involved with hirings before and after tattoos became more acceptable. If all things are equal between candidates, I would pick the clean-cut person who does not have tattoos plastered all over his body. In this job market I would avoid doing anything permanently that could possibly impact getting a job. Color you hair, even body piercing may look like acne scars in a couple of years. Just avoid doing something you may regret 20 years from now, unless you are already in your 50's and you expect to be dead or retired in your 70's.

  168. I want to be different ... Just like everyone else by knarfling · · Score: 1

    While I personally do not want to get a tattoo, each person must decide for themselves if a tattoo is right for them. However, a there is a good test that one can perform in deciding whether to get a tattoo, and which one to get.

    1. Draw the equation/design in PENCIL on regular paper
    2. Take silly putty and press down on the design.
    3. Stretch the putty in different directions so that you know what the design will look like in 20 years.

    I have heard about a female that got a tattoo of a butterfly around her belly button. After 3 children, I am told that it now looks like a pterodactyl being struck by lightning. I have seen a rose tattooed on a woman's breast that was turning into a long stem rose.

    If you are going to tattoo an equation, make sure that the equation you have in 20 years is the same one that you originally wanted.

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  169. My idea by boowax · · Score: 1

    periodic table lower back tattoo.

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  170. The fermata symbol by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 1

    What? A fermata symbol?

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    1. Re:The fermata symbol by glavenoid · · Score: 1

      As an exercise to the viewer of that image, what does the Bb [B flat] key signature indicate? Which instruments usually play Bb repertoire? Is that concert Bb or transposed Bb?

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    2. Re:The fermata symbol by pwfffff · · Score: 1

      Trumpet! Concert!

  171. alternative choice by hduff · · Score: 4, Funny

    Get tats of chicks with big boobs -- boobs can never, ever be proven wrong.

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    1. Re:alternative choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless they get old, which makes everythign go south in a not cool way.

    2. Re:alternative choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Manboobs - A proof that boobs can be wrong.

    3. Re:alternative choice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but they can be proven fake ;)

  172. Black Hole entropy - (Hawking's tombstone) by thirty-seven · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here's what Stephen Hawking has said he wants on his tombstone: S = (pi.A.k.c^3)/(2.h.G) It's the formula for the entropy of a black hole, also the maximum amount of entropy possible in a volume of space. It's interesting and extremely insightful into the nature of the universe because all the values on the right-hand-side are constants except for A (the area). So it says that the amount of entropy in a black hole, and also the maximum amount of entropy possible, is directly proportional to the surface area! This is very counter-intuitive and is related to the holographic principle.

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  173. Suggestion by leswt · · Score: 1

    I would advice against tatoos but if you must do not forget e^(i Pi) = -1 (use the greek letter and superscripts)

  174. Oh please by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone from frat boys to grandmothers have tattoos now... If you want to buck the system and stick it to the man, go without tattoos.

  175. RSA in 3 lines of perl by hyams · · Score: 1
    since this was mentioned a couple of times, here is a link to jay dyson's page on his tattoo: http://www.treachery.net/~jdyson/crypto/tattoo.html. the text of his tattoo reads:

    WARNING: THIS MAN IS CLASSIFIED AS A MUNITION
    [U.S. ITAR/EAR REGULATIONS -- RSA IN THREE LINES OF PERL]

    #!/bin/perl -sp0777i<X+d*lMLa^*lN%0]dsXx++lMlN/dsM0<j]dsj
    $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1
    lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/)

    FEDERAL LAW PROHIBITS TRANSFER OF THIS MAN TO FOREIGNERS.

  176. Try this CERN T-Shirt by alvieboy · · Score: 1

    This one would give a nice large tattoo.

    This is a T-shirt sold at CERN.

    This equation neatly sums up our current understanding of fundamental particles and forces. It represents mathematically what we call the standard model of particle physics. The top line describes the forces: electricity, magnetism and the strong and weak nuclear forces. The second line describes how these forces act on the fundamental particles of matter, namely the quarks and leptons. The third line describes how these particles obtain their masses from the Higgs boson, and the fourth line enables the Higgs boson to do the job. Many experiments at CERN and other laboratories have verified the top two lines in detail. One of the primary objectives of the LHC is to see whether the Higgs boson exists and behaves as predicted by the last two lines.

    I have one. :)

    Alvie

  177. The gonzo tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://nuclear.ucdavis.edu/~tgutierr/files/sml.pdf

  178. The Question! by Per+Wigren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    You should tattoo pi * 1337%

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  179. Not math, but... by Lulu+of+the+Lotus-Ea · · Score: 1

    A couple of my science/geek tattoos:

    Hemoglobin, because I work for some folks doing amazing stuff in molecular dynamics (and it's easy to spin some superficial symbolism about hemoglobin on top of my heart):

        http://picasaweb.google.com/david.mertz/HemoglobinTattoo

    A Julia set sleeve (just for fun):

        http://picasaweb.google.com/david.mertz/FractalTattoo#

    There's also perhaps something a little bit geeky about writing a tattoo in proto-Indoeuropean (and International Phonetic Alphabet):

        http://picasaweb.google.com/david.mertz/IAmNot#

  180. real men... by Uecker · · Score: 1
    Tattoo? Real men have the equation on their tombstone (see Max Born or Otto Hahn):

    http://www.psych.uni-goettingen.de/home/ertel/ertel-dir/morehome/4gallerypast/4.04gravesofrenownscientists.html

  181. Carl Zimmer's Science Tattoo Emporium by antdude · · Score: 1
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  182. Qubit by grahamlord86 · · Score: 1

    I have the equation for a qubit on the inside of my right wrist.

    It's discrete enough for me not to look like a thug, and it can easily be covered with long sleeves.

    Although quantum computing will change dramatically over time, this statement of the qubit will always be true, because it's a logical expression.

    The only problem is when a girl sees it and asks what it means- I then have to give a vague answer, or risk boring her with geekdom.

    I dream of a girl who will say 'No no, I really want to hear the long version! Maybe you could explain it to me at your place?'

  183. No it isn't by Weaselmancer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The "no visible tattoo" policy is the antithesis of the 1st Amendment.

    Please people, read the first amendment and try to understand it.

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    It starts - and pay attention - "Congress shall make no law".

    Do you see anywhere that Congress has made a law that says visible tattoos are bad?

    This is a corporate policy. If you are hired, they are welcoming you in the door onto their property - on their terms. If they say you have to wear purple underwear to work here, guess what? YOU DO.

    Employment is optional. Nobody has to give you a job. If they don't like your tattoos they don't have to hire you. It is really as simple as that. You have to do what the boss says - it's a job. It is not a right.

    So back OT, to the guy who wants a sleeve of math equations, my advice would be DON'T. It's fun, it's nerdy, I can see the appeal. But you are limiting your options.

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    1. Re:No it isn't by hierophanta · · Score: 1

      so what you are saying is that the corporate policy is unconstitutional? I think we all agree here

    2. Re:No it isn't by DamnStupidElf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I could probably sue an employer for sexual harassment if they tried to dictate the kind of underwear I wore. Similarly, are they going to turn away burn victims for jobs if their scars could be mistaken for a tattoo? Oh well, I'm sure technology will eventually provide the win with e-ink tattoos that you can just turn off when you're in the presence of idiots and morons.

    3. Re:No it isn't by labiator · · Score: 2, Informative

      As he pointed out, You don't HAVE to work there. If you don't like the policies of Company A, try to get on at Company B, Don't like those options? Give entrepreneurship a shot. My bet is YOU won't succeed because you figure everyone else is a tool. Me, call me a tool, but I will keep cashing those corporate paychecks as long as they come in.

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    4. Re:No it isn't by Peach+Rings · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Nobody has to give you a job. If they don't like your 'x' they don't have to hire you.

      Note that the employer is breaking federal law if 'x' is:

      • race, color, religion, sex, age, ethnic group, or national origin
      • disability
      • genetic information
      • association with or marriage to someone (on the basis of race, religion, national origin, or disability)
      • previous discrimination lawsuits, or participating in discrimination investigations
      • participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group

      States have innumerable laws such as can't make hiring, firing, compensation, layoff, transfer, training, benefits, retirement, or promotion decisions based on:

      • status as a parent
      • pregnancy
      • results of a lie detector test
      • marital status
      • sexual orientation
      • political affiliation

      So clearly employees do have recourse for discrimination. Your "a job is a privilege not a right" is about a hundred years late.

      Also, yes the first amendment only applies to congress (and state governments from the 14th amendment) but the question here isn't of law, it's of whether something is right or wrong. Freedom of speech is the defining principle of American culture and law, and its violation is rightfully greeted with disgust.

    5. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Congress shall make no law" - You need to look up the correct definition of the word "shall". It does not mean 'must' or similar definition... it means 'may' or 'might'.

    6. Re:No it isn't by travisco_nabisco · · Score: 1

      Who is required to check the purple underwear policy?

    7. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and until the federal government adds "tattooed" as a protected class, you're SOL, buddy. LOL

    8. Re:No it isn't by HiThere · · Score: 1

      From a strict constitutional argument, I agree. You're right. But why does this kind of argument only win when it supports strong entrenched power? (With a few rare exceptions that are over 40 years old. And even then could be seen as parts of an argument between two entrenched power groups.)

      Corporations are clearly not people. The constitution doesn't entitle them to be considered as people. Yet legally they are granted rights superior to those of citizens...except the right to vote. Instead they are given the right to bribe. (Pardon me, that's slightly excessive. That's only true if they follow certain prescribed procedures.)

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    9. Re:No it isn't by liquidsin · · Score: 0

      "no visible tattoos" policies are just another form of discrimination that haven't been shut down yet. how about "no blacks" or "no transvestites"? i'm easily offended having to look at old people, so maybe we can keep them out of my workplace too? or, y'know, we could just accept that some people look different than others, and that has no bearing on their ability to do a job. naw, it's probably easier to just pass a "no visible deformities that are gross to look at" rule. yay corporations!

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    10. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And limiting options is okay. Go ahead and explain to the shareholders that you didn't hire a qualified programmer because he had a small tattoo on his upper arm. Go for it. Tell them that you hired 5 people from India that get half the work done and needed a project manager with ten years experience just to write a requirement good enough for them to consume because of it.

      At this time in my life, I can afford not to work at a place that will not let me carry a small pocket knife into the building for day to day use as a sysadmin. People can try to set the policy, and I can afford to immediately give them notice if they will not immediately offer a raise in compensation. Not potentially, not subject to review... "Okay, I don't want to get fired, but this is my two week notice effective immediately". Thanks for enforcing policy without exceptions.

      Your policy decisions are only my problem if I'm desperate. I'm not.

      Crunch those numbers. And in the end--"the company" will get what it deserved. It had a policy that chose to waste money--and it will eat the results.

    11. Re:No it isn't by flaming+error · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up. That is the most poignant question I've seen in a long time.

    12. Re:No it isn't by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      you choose to get a tattoo.

      Barring Michael Jackson, you don't get to choose being black, white, young, old, etc.

    13. Re:No it isn't by gwayne · · Score: 2, Funny

      Clearly, tattoos fall under the provision of color and potentially religion and/or ethnic groups (i.e. Maori).

    14. Re:No it isn't by flaming+error · · Score: 0

      Your counter-argument supports his point. In practice, you can't really work just for yourself. You always work for somebody else.

      You either have to serve in somebody else's company, or serve your own customers in "your own" company that either borrows capital from a bank or reports to venture capitalists/angels.

      I don't think the "tool" comment is meant to be derogatory, nor directed at anyone in particular. I think he's done some research and now he's telling you what society is.

      If you prefer lighter stories, by all means, stay on the blue pill. If you're a red pill kind of guy, you might start by downloading and reading the lay-accessible text "What Has Government Done to Our Money" by Murray Rothbard.

    15. Re:No it isn't by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Insightful

      the question here isn't of law, it's of whether something is right or wrong.

      Ah, but it *is* a question of law. That was my whole point.

      OP said that the First Amendment somehow made it okay for him to have tattoos and get any job he wants. Which is absolutely silly if you've ever taken the time to read it. The First Amendment only prohibits Congress from making laws that abridge free speech.

      The morality of it is a different conversation, and one that has absolutely nothing to do with the First Amendment.

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    16. Re:No it isn't by Pictish+Prince · · Score: 1

      Why is employment optional in a society which offers people no alternative means by which to sustain themselves? We're all raised to be a part of this machine, and one cannot simply find some nice, fertile spot of land to raise crops and lovestock these days.

      "Lovestock"? I guess biotech is farther along than I realized.

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    17. Re:No it isn't by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Informative
      I agree. What's needed is a sort of planned economy, to give jobs to everyone. With the plan in hand, we could make just the right amount of goods, with no waste. We could get rid of advertising as it would no longer be needed. There could be no more than 3 or 4 times pay difference between ordinary American peasants and the Ivy League elite. This system would only work if we were all on the same page about it, so we'd need political education at a national level. We could have sort of town meetings every Tuesday night where Obama could brief us by video on last week's progress and tell us what we need to work on for the coming week. Everyone would register in a work unit so we could make sure nobody missed the meeting.

      Or you could just, you know, get another job. It's up to you. Where did this bizarre idea that someone else is responsible for your job come from? Has this idea ever been tried before, on a large scale? How did it work out?

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    18. Re:No it isn't by Altus · · Score: 1

      My company has a policy that states you may not have visible underwear. You are also not allowed to have a visible lack of underwear (which is, admittedly a little more confusing)

      Corporations do all kinds of things. Some of them are not enforceable but these policies certainly are. Luckily my division doesn't really give a rats ass about the corporate rules.

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      "In America, first you get the sugar, then you get the power, then you get the women..." -H. Simpson

    19. Re:No it isn't by tighr · · Score: 1

      Point to the line in your post where tattoos are either explicitly or implicitly implied as one of the innumerable protections you list.

    20. Re:No it isn't by TrisexualPuppy · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Moron

    21. Re:No it isn't by billrp · · Score: 1

      Note that companies who call their employees "cast members" (eg Disneyworld) can base hiring on anything they want, especially race, sex, age, etc.

    22. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you think that having a tattoo is a protected status, well, sorry, you're a moron. But then we already knew that from seeing all the tattoos.

    23. Re:No it isn't by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      It starts - and pay attention - "Congress shall make no law".

      Do you see anywhere that Congress has made a law that says visible tattoos are bad?

      Maybe not the US Congress, but State Congresses, sure. In my state (SC) you can not legally be tattooed on your face or hands, with the justification being that if need be, you cannot cover such tattoos with everyday clothing.

      Tattooing in general though was only medal legal at all here within the last decade, so at least we're making progress. Of course it's only been within the last 15 years that we even officially removed the law against interracial marriages (though it hadn't been enforced for a long time - it's still socially frowned upon in many circles though). Yeah, we're a bit behind the times.

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    24. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It does not mean 'must' or similar definition... it means 'may' or 'might'.

      What source do you have for that? When I look it up, the definition of "shall" certainly does say it denotes mandatory action.

    25. Re:No it isn't by mgessner · · Score: 1

      Man, I am glad you're kidding. You've written an awesome paragraph that shows just how insane people are. I'd bet that about 80% of all the /.'ers who read that were salivating at the first paragraph!

      Please... don't take the parent's first paragraph seriously. But pay very close attention to the second part!

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    26. Re:No it isn't by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      some people choose to get nose jobs, botox, liposuction; some people choose to get fat; some people choose gender reassignment; some people choose to have their make-up tattooed on so they don't have to apply it every day. none of these things have any effect on your ability to do a job; to pretend otherwise is roughly the same as to pretend that skin colour is relevant to job performance.

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    27. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And you would know you didn't get the job how? "Your qualifications did not meet our requirements." is the answer. No one in this day and age (and a properly functioning HR and/or Legal departments) will allow any other answer if you ask.

    28. Re:No it isn't by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      If you think you can afford to be picky, imagine how much companies can afford to fire uncooperative workers. A flight on the corporate jet costs your entire salary anyway, so nobody's worried about losing one pretty-good sysadmin, and people are lining up for your job.

      In fact, your attitude would be threatening to me if I were an employer. I would be thinking that I can't depend on your continued employment if you're going to jump ship the first time you don't get your way..

    29. Re:No it isn't by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      You need to look up the correct definition of the word "shall". It does not mean 'must'...

      Awesome. I'm going to point to your post every time one of those tools in the test group tries to tell me that I'm not meeting one of the software requirements. "Dude. It says 'shall' -- it's not like I have to do it..."

    30. Re:No it isn't by nospam007 · · Score: 2, Funny

      "My company has a policy that states you may not have visible underwear."

      My company has a policy that states you may not have invisible underwear.

    31. Re:No it isn't by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      Does your job involve working with other people?

      hell fucking yes it matters.

    32. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nobody has to give you a job. If they don't like your 'x' they don't have to hire you.

      Note that the employer is breaking federal law if 'x' is:

      • race, color, religion, sex, age, ethnic group, or national origin
      • disability
      • genetic information
      • association with or marriage to someone (on the basis of race, religion, national origin, or disability)
      • previous discrimination lawsuits, or participating in discrimination investigations
      • participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group

      States have innumerable laws such as can't make hiring, firing, compensation, layoff, transfer, training, benefits, retirement, or promotion decisions based on:

      • status as a parent
      • pregnancy
      • results of a lie detector test
      • marital status
      • sexual orientation
      • political affiliation

      So clearly employees do have recourse for discrimination. Your "a job is a privilege not a right" is about a hundred years late.

      Also, yes the first amendment only applies to congress (and state governments from the 14th amendment) but the question here isn't of law, it's of whether something is right or wrong. Freedom of speech is the defining principle of American culture and law, and its violation is rightfully greeted with disgust.

      Nice rant, what does this have to do with tattoos? Unless you can demonstrate that tattoos are an essential part of your culture or religion (as some groups probably can) this is irrelevant.

    33. Re:No it isn't by supertrinko · · Score: 1

      There are many ways to take freedom of speech/expression. If you take it so literally, then you have to accept that an employer has the right to choose how his company is viewed by the public, including its staff. The government protects people that have no choice in the matter (pregnant, disability), but they don't protect you if you choose to get piercings or tattoo's.

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    34. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, only none of the things you listed out there is covered under "I want a stupid tattoo on my forearm."

      Jesus, I can't believe this thread's been jacked over the legality of not hiring someone over a tattoo. Should we worry about the right to wear an ugly-ass tie? The right to torture Whoopie Goldberg with "Henry the Eighth?" My car isn't registered because I don't want to cover up my "No Fat Chicks" sticker with the registration.

      In fact, I care so little about the first amendment implications of a stupid-ass tatttoo I'm just going to stop writing in the midd

    35. Re:No it isn't by phlinn · · Score: 1

      Just because the government protects it doesn't make it a right. Rights are not creations of government. Government creates special privileges all the time however. Also, refusing to hire someone if they say something you don't like is NOT a violation of freedom of speech. It is an exercise of freedom of association.

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    36. Re:No it isn't by almightyons · · Score: 1

      First amendment obviously doesn't apply here, and do you really expect for a contractor to say "Sorry, we like you, but we don't go for people with tatoos" or simply give a bare look in your face, realize you have a tatoo and go on to the next candidate immediately?

    37. Re:No it isn't by Rinikusu · · Score: 1

      The great thing about companies that "ban visible tattoos" is that serves as a barometer for me. I don't have tattoos, but I'm not going to work for anyone that's so fucking backwards that they can't handle some ink on someone else.

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    38. Re:No it isn't by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      Don't kid yourself.

      If a smart employer wants to get rid of you, you're a good as gone.

      If they can't get rid of you outright, by say putting every single action of yours under a microscope, they can make things uncomfortable enough for you to want to leave, or put you in a position where they can get rid of you.

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    39. Re:No it isn't by Demena · · Score: 1

      Wel, if it was Japan. You might see it in the morning exercise session. You would see it if you got on a short hall business flight. They take their pants off to prevent wrinkles. A friend of mine freaked out and when he entered a 'plane to see row upon row of de-trousered salarymen.

    40. Re:No it isn't by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      You need to go back to English class. Shall is the imperative form - it means that it is an instruction.

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    41. Re:No it isn't by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 1

      Do you see anywhere that Congress has made a law that says visible tattoos are bad?..... This is a corporate policy.

      Corporations exist because of the laws that Congress passes, and so their corporate "policies"--which increasingly dictate the lives of millions--also exist because of the laws that the government passes. I don't regard this argument as a stretch of the imagination, as because corporations are not people, literally everything they do must essentially be preapproved by the government via some legal framework.

      Note that my argument here says nothing about individuals or unlimited businesses disallowing people with tattoos, etc. As you say, the Government has made no law against that. However, what the Government has done is passed laws allowing corporations to be formed which can disallow people for this reason. Every corporation has a government charter which allowing it to do business, and hence allowing it to disallow people with tattoos.

      When everything they do is by some writ of Government, it's hard to argue that the Government is not a party to what corporations get up to.

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    42. Re:No it isn't by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      No, tattoos do not fall under color, since that's ethnicity-based.
      An employer can be readily forward about it and state that they don't feel the customer-relations atmosphere warrants visible tattoos.
      You might not like it, but that's how it is. I'm also not saying it's "right", but that's how it is.

      Also, not many religions state that you need to have publicly visible tattoos. If you're religion does (say, your Maori, which is more a cultural phenomena), then most employers will make the exception. That being said, it's in the employer's hands, and so were the tattoo choices.

      Yes, I have tattoos, and no they aren't visible without my shirt coming off.

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    43. Re:No it isn't by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Why not? Tattooed people aren't a "protected class". An employer could look you dead in the eye and say you look like a carny so we're not hiring you. They're allowed to have a dress code.

      I had to contract with a company that had a strict dress code. Slacks, white shirts, thin black ties mandatory. No facial hair past a mustache and a goatee. All legal.

      Of course being a contractor I could look how I wished. But it was really strange the first day. I showed up in a polo shirt, no tie, and a full beard. You'd have thought I had been out in the parking lot clubbing puppies. People would get whiplash when I'd walk by. They'd turn, glare - then notice the Visitor badge and relax. A little.

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    44. Re:No it isn't by Altrag · · Score: 1

      The latter sounds like gender-neutralized political-correctness speech for "thou shalt wear a bra and not poke out the eyes of gawkers on cold days".

      Well, or preventing girls from running around in short skirts and no panties, which might be great for "slutty secretary" porn and pervy internet videos, but isn't so acceptable in a real life professional environment.

    45. Re:No it isn't by The+Mighty+Buzzard · · Score: 1

      Wah, wah, the world doesn't cater specifically to me!

      Simplified your argument for you. Life isn't even fair and you're bitching that it's not slanted in your favor? Grow the hell up, whiner.

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    46. Re:No it isn't by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      there is a twist in there, however.
      Not directly related, but a gripe site is protected speech, because the courts can not find against you, as they are a government organization. Now if you commit Libel as part of your speech that's different.

      I work in a fortune 100 company and we have several people with sleeve tattoos, never heard of it being an issue. If it's like the OP is suggesting I could see it as a good personality talking point in my line of work to be honest.

      Also, I've always liked the idea of a Pascals triangle on my back.

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    47. Re:No it isn't by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      But not on company time.
      Yes you have a right to wear a Pro this or that tee shirt but not at work.
      Lets flip it a way that you will not like.
      Imagine that you boss wanted to put a sign on his door saying "Godhatesfags.com the truth is hard to hear!"
      How would you feel about that?
      Or would you want to meet with a vendor with swastika tattoos on all over his arms?

      Even freedom of speech has it's limits.

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    48. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      So wait, the tattoo would turn off in the presence of people that think tattoos are cool? Isn't that kinda counter productive.

    49. Re:No it isn't by ImprovOmega · · Score: 1

      Tattoos that are cultural in nature would most likely get a pass. But then, they're not getting a pass because they're tattoos, but because they are required of all members of that nation.

    50. Re:No it isn't by 100_Monkeys_Typing · · Score: 1

      Most jobs are "at will." This can translate to someone not liking your tattoo or color of your skin and finding a way for you to be let go. Ever been 1 minute late to work? Failed to make finish a project on time? Checked your bid on ebay on the company computer? These are all reasons a company could give for letting you go. Trying to prove intent in a unemployment hearing is pretty pointless.
      I don't disagree with the law or it's intent, but the reality is the law can only be used in extremely flagrant cases.

    51. Re:No it isn't by blair1q · · Score: 1

      The Constitution has rights written into it so the government doesn't even argue over whether they're rights.

      They're rights regardless of whether they are in the Constitution.

      You are giving a corporation the right to take away your rights just so you can get a few of the many dollars your labor will generate for them. You give them money you earned, and then you give up your right to speak by displaying a picture of your ex-girlfriend on your arm.

      Yours is exactly the self-negating attitude I was referring to.

    52. Re:No it isn't by blair1q · · Score: 0

      No, I referred to the First Amendment because that's the common metaphor for Free Speech, which is a right that exists regardless of its inclusion in the Constitution.

      Stop giving corporations a power over you that your government doesn't even have the power to exercise.

    53. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up. qwayne is another whiney IQ-90 liberal that is either too ignorant to interpret the word "color" or is a douche that tries to make the Constitution say whatever he wants it to say.
       
      Either he is too ignorant to vote, or his rights should be taken away for trying to avert the real meaning of that which gives him his rights.

    54. Re:No it isn't by Alaska+Jack · · Score: 1

      Hear hear!

      Of course, we have to be realistic: For this vision to work, we need EVERYBODY on the same page. We can't have free-riders leeching off the system. And there are *always* a few malcontents and reactionaries who won't go along.

      Don't get me wrong -- we should make every effort to re-educate them. But if they can't or won't let us help them, well, it's sad, but they will just have to be dealt with. Can't make an omelet without breaking a few eggs, and all that.

          - AJ

    55. Re:No it isn't by fieldstone · · Score: 1

      If a tattoo (or piercing or other body-mod) is an expression of your religion - particularly one that your religion or cultural group required of you - then it is likely protected under the First Amendment and employment non-discrimination laws. While this is pretty rare, I know it's traditional for Maori to get tattoos (even facial tattoos) as part of a cultural tradition, and I know of at least one Native American ceremony (the Sun Dance) that involves piercing. I'm sure there are other. If you're wiccan, and the head of your circle or coven tells you it's important for your spiritual development to get a particular tattoo, that might even be enough... as might a Celtic-looking tattoo if you're Irish and trying to display your cultural pride. Asking you not to display such devotional tattoos / piercings at work would be akin to asking an Orthodox Jew not to wear fringes, or asking a Sikh to take off his turban - in other words, very illegal. Especially if your company doesn't have a well-stated anti-tattoo policy.

      If your tattoo was just for shits and giggles, though, it's your own fault for not getting it in an area that's easily covered with clothing. And if companies can now refuse to hire tobacco smokers - or medicinal marijuana smokers in states in which such things are legal - then I'm sure recreational tattoos are no different.

    56. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If your best option is "start working for a company run and staffed entirely by monstrous suppurating porn-gape assholes", you might seriously start considering your second- and third- best options.

    57. Re:No it isn't by magarity · · Score: 1

      one cannot simply find some nice, fertile spot of land to raise crops and lovestock these days
       
      Amazingly enough, you can. Approximately 2% of the population of the USA does this. They are called "farmers". Incredible what people can think of to do these days!

    58. Re:No it isn't by srussia · · Score: 1

      Whoosh?

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    59. Re:No it isn't by liquidsin · · Score: 1

      ok, so is that a disagreement? are you saying it would be ok to deny a job to an asian or a fat guy because their potential co-workers/clients may be bigoted?

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    60. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your job now is to kill yourself

    61. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your parent poster got the joke. No whoosh.

    62. Re:No it isn't by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      Once again, you don't have a choice whether you're Asian or not. I agree with laws that make it illegal to discriminate based on factors like this.

      Fat, however, is a choice. Fat doesn't present a professional image, fat employees make the company's health insurance, etc.

      If clients are bigoted, the company loses money on anyone the new employee turns away, so the smart hiring manager won't hire them. It's perfectly okay because the potential employee made that choice so now they get to live with it.

    63. Re:No it isn't by Ritchie70 · · Score: 1

      RFC 2119 addresses that.

      I think all BAs should be required to read and sign RFC 2119

      By the way, "SHALL" is equivalent to "MUST."

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    64. Re:No it isn't by Weaselmancer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yours is exactly the self-negating attitude I was referring to.

      Nonsense. I am merely pointing out that your argument that this goes against the first amendment of the Bill of Rights is bunk. Because it is. Read it and I'm sure you will agree.

      They're rights regardless of whether they are in the Constitution.

      Perhaps. Perhaps you're a big fan of the whole natural law thing. But I think you'll find that if you get fired for having a tattoo and walk into the local courthouse waving around a copy of the Declaration of the Rights of Man and the Citizen, your case will not go well. At all.

      I was merely addressing your legal interpretation, that the first amendment protects you in this way. It does not. A literal reading simply means that Congress cannot pass a law taking away your right of free speech.

      So until Congress passes a dress code, your argument does not hold.

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    65. Re:No it isn't by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

      plus parent is wrong: (from http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/shall)

      1 archaic a : will have to : must b : will be able to : can
      2 a —used to express a command or exhortation b —used in laws, regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory
      3 a —used to express what is inevitable or seems likely to happen in the future b —used to express simple futurity
      4 —used to express determination

      Ho ! look at the first line ! But don't take revenge too harshly: you shall not kill !

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    66. Re:No it isn't by cas2000 · · Score: 1

      Once again, you don't have a choice whether you're Asian or not. I agree with laws that make it illegal to discriminate based on factors like this.

      why? they clearly made the choice not to get plastic surgery to make their appearance more acceptable to bigots like you. why should they be let off the hook just because they were born asian rather than born fat?

      Fat, however, is a choice.

      you clearly have no idea how human metabolisms work. for the majority of people who are fat, it is NOT a choice. they have a highly efficient metabolism that is far more suited to lean times than times of abundance...it doesn't matter how little they eat (and many fat people eat surprisingly little), they can eat FAR LESS than skinny people (those who have inefficient, fast-burning metabolisms) and still be significantly fatter.

      these are just two (of the many) useful survival strategies for the human organism - slow burning metabolisms that are very efficient at storing energy and very "reluctant" to give it up once stored, and fast-burning metabolisms that are very good at using energy, but not very good at storing it. both have obviously provided significant survival advantages in previous generations because they're both widespread genetic types.

      and not just the human organism, either. many animals show the same variations.

      fat discrimination is genetic discrimination.

      and, regarding those few fat people for whom being fat is a choice - so what? WTF gives you the right to say that your personal choices regarding how fat/skinny you want to be are not merely superior to the choices of other people, they are so superior that it entitles you to discriminate against them.

      Fat doesn't present a professional image, fat employees make the company's health insurance, etc.

      watch it - your bigotry is showing.

      If clients are bigoted, the company loses money on anyone the new employee turns away, so the smart hiring manager won't hire them. It's perfectly okay because the potential employee made that choice so now they get to live with it.

      oh, that makes it alright then, does it?

      the same argument has been made to justify refusing to hire blacks, jews, women, gays, married people, single people, old people, young people, and every other target for discrimination. some variations are no longer made because they're so well-known (and lame and tired) that even bigots are ashamed to make them. some are still in common use today.

    67. Re:No it isn't by Xaositecte · · Score: 1

      You're a fatty, aren't you?

      Ingest less energy than you expend, and you will lose weight. This is scientific fact.

      Yes, it's hard staying away from Fast food and exercising regularly, but it's not impossible, and it's not a genetic certainty.

      blacks, jews, women, old people, young people,

      Blacks choose to be black? Women choose to be women? My argument is that you accept the consequences of your own choices, including the (very justified!) discrimination that comes with it, and it's not okay to discriminate based on factors people have not chosen.

      You're an idiot.

    68. Re:No it isn't by Altus · · Score: 1

      That's pretty much how I read it too.

      I haven't even read the whole policy but I do know that the jeans I wear every day are in violation.

      I think most of the people in this division don't even know about the policy, but they do manage to dress in a way that doesn't interrupt business, bra or no. Though Hawaiian shirt Friday is pretty terrible.

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    69. Re:No it isn't by gothzilla · · Score: 1

      You've never seen a beggar? A lot of people make a lot of money by simply begging, without ever having employment.

      If you want land then you can work for it. I know a lot of people who worked hard so their kids could have land to live on. Just because you're lazy and think you're entitled to free stuff without you or your parents working for it doesn't mean there are no alternatives.

    70. Re:No it isn't by konohitowa · · Score: 1

      Jeez. Did you guys forget to take your sarcasm recognition pills or something?

    71. Re:No it isn't by Totenglocke · · Score: 1

      Your "a job is a privilege not a right" is about a hundred years late.

      Sorry, but having job X IS a privilege. You have the right to have A job, but companies have the right to not hire you if they don't like you (that includes having trashy tattoos, piercings, or not being able to speak English like anyone who passed the 3rd grade).

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    72. Re:No it isn't by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      It's perfectly possible to live on your own. Find a benefactor/old relative/government willing to give you a hassle-free patch of land, and go live. No problems there. I have an acquaintance who does just that through the summer. He does some temporary work as a snowplow driver through winter, to make enough cash to pay for the various services he uses (things like police and fire coverage, school for his niece, and a few large tanks of propane). When summer comes, he's back at his little cabin, living off his garden, cistern, and guns.

      It's not about being part of a "machine" or not. It's just economics. He can't really put out a forest fire by himself, so he pays others who can. He can bring a monstrous snowplow within two inches of a car without any risk of damage, and he sells that skill to those willing to pay.

      Money is just a certificate saying you've done something that someone else liked enough to pay for. Things get complicated, but it all comes down to just that simple concept.

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    73. Re:No it isn't by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      The part you're not getting is that we are not "giving corporations a power over you". They have money. You want a job. Since they are the point of sale, they get to dictate the terms.

      You can't walk into a store and say "this cucumber is only worth 30 cents so that's what I'm paying" and walk out.

      Likewise, the corporation is vending you a job. You don't get to dictate the terms. They can place any terms they like onto the deal, since they are the ones doing the offering.

      Don't like a given company's policies? Don't work there. If enough people dislike the policy, if they lose enough people through their crappy policy - they will change their policy. Much like the cucumber for sale. If they are offering bad terms for the sale, then nobody will buy the cucumber and they'll have to change their pricing.

      It is simple economics. Seller dictates the terms, market responds. If the market response is favorable, the terms are valid. If the market response is lousy, change the terms. And apparently having a no tattoos policy for some jobs don't net a large enough loss to change that policy.

      If it really pisses you off, start a petition, be an activist, do something about it. Let the companies know they are losing more than they are gaining. Which will someday soon be the case. Tattoos and body mods are increasingly popular. Eventually the people doing the hiring will have them and the issue will go away. We're in a transitional state right now on the topic. So if it really bothers you - help out.

      Me, I don't give a crap either way. A significant percentage of my friends are modded. Doesn't mean jack to me. My office wouldn't care - they're pretty hip. We even extend insurance to same sex couples. But not everyone is in this century yet. So either be patient and wait it out, or help.

      Just don't expect Uncle Sam to dash in and fix everything for you. The first amendment isn't some golden hammer that fixes everything that's wrong with personal expression. It only does a few very specific things, and it's best to know what they are.

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      rediculous.
    74. Re:No it isn't by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

      Not quite. I'm no lawyer, but I believe the employer just has to show they aren't discriminating.

      It's perfectly acceptable to reject a male applicant for an acting role that requires a female.

      For a job requiring constant travel, a married applicant who says they cannot travel without their spouse (and wants the company to pay for it) can be rejected in favor of one without such a requirement.

      With their protected qualities, these applicants bring on additional costs that make then genuinely undesirable for the positions.

      Likewise, an applicant having a tattoo depicting puppies being crushed by a truck is probably not a good fit for a day care center. If sued for discrimination, the employer just has to convince the courts that it's not the gender/marriage/expression that was rejected, but the extra complications that come with it.

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    75. Re:No it isn't by dafing · · Score: 1

      As a New Zealander, I was most pleasantly surprised to see you mention Maori on Slashdot! +1 Internet point for you :)

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    76. Re:No it isn't by dafing · · Score: 1

      if you're religion does (say, your Maori, which is more a cultural phenomena)

      A New Zealander to the rescue: "Traditional Mori moko is an expression of and celebration of Maori culture and identity. A person of Maori descent may not be denied employment, entry to premises, or declined service because they wear moko visibly."

      http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/enquiriescomplaints/faqs/mokoyourrights.php

      You were saying? Theres more than one country in the world, and laws regarding tattoos vary. I myself DETEST tattoos, but on this case, and in my country, they are permitted. Also, culturally, I would guess VERY FEW Maori have cultural tattoos, do you think all Chinese people have "Chinese Characters" tattooed on their skin? Along with many New Zealanders, I hate the misappropriation of our culture, having a tattoo from my society does NOT make you cool, especially when you continually say "nooo ZEE-land-DER"

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    77. Re:No it isn't by dafing · · Score: 1

      Rather than repeat my above comment, the VAST majority of Maori DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT have cultural tattoos. The practise of Moko had severely waned until recently. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%81_moko

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    78. Re:No it isn't by dafing · · Score: 1

      So, while we debate the necessity of Maori cultural tattoos being protected by societal law (they here in NZ http://www.hrc.co.nz/home/hrc/enquiriescomplaints/faqs/mokoyourrights.php), you label someone you disagree with as basically being an idiot, and the worst insult in all of America, worse than shitting on your nations flag, or cheating on your wife, a *gasp* "liberal". Ouch!

      Surely your precious constitution says something about petty insults towards those you disagree with?

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    79. Re:No it isn't by JosKarith · · Score: 1

      "Employment is optional"
      Sure. You could always starve...

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    80. Re:No it isn't by Pf0tzenpfritz · · Score: 1

      Mom? You're here? And you've got five fake accounts?!

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    81. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      one cannot simply find some nice, fertile spot of land to raise crops and lovestock these days.

      Lovestock? What the hell are you doing with those animals.

    82. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Die in a fire

    83. Re:No it isn't by skarphace · · Score: 1

      Likewise, the corporation is vending you a job. You don't get to dictate the terms. They can place any terms they like onto the deal, since they are the ones doing the offering.

      I think you're a bit backwards here. It is the employee selling his or her time. And technically, either party can dictate whatever terms they want(even haggling to get a cheaper cucumber). Unlike you, however, I'd like to see more of the power in the hands of the people. But alas, they like to keep a nice unemployment rate so they are in the stronger position of power. This is also why unions were created.

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    84. Re:No it isn't by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 1

      You can include check /. from a company computer on that list.

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    85. Re:No it isn't by stating_the_obvious · · Score: 1

      Your "a job is a privilege not a right" is about a hundred years late.

      For purposes of discussion, let's assume that you have compiled a complete list of protected classes in the area of employee discrimination.

      A potential employee that has tramp stamped the square root of -1 across his/her forehead is not one of those protected classes...unless of course the individual can show proof that they actively participate(d) in a religious cult of numerology that believes God is imaginary.

      There is a very large difference between choice and discrimination when it comes to hiring. As with all subjective multivariate calculations, proving that one of the determinant factors defines membership in a protected class is very hard to do.

    86. Re:No it isn't by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Unlike you, however, I'd like to see more of the power in the hands of the people.

      Nowhere in this thread did I state my preference. I'm just saying how things are. Not how I'd wish them to be. Of course I'd wish for more power in the hands of the people. I'm not some kind of sadist.

      And yes you do have a certain amount of haggle power - if your skill set is amazing. The reality of it is that you are most likely very replaceable, which means that the employer doesn't really need to listen to your haggling. There are a dozen other guys with your skill set waiting in line that won't argue terms most likely. Extending the cucumber metaphor, sure you can haggle. But if there are a dozen people in line who accept the original terms of the sale, why not deal with them instead?

      I'm sorry, but that's the reality of it.

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      rediculous.
    87. Re:No it isn't by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      There's plenty of room in Alaska, if you don't want to be a tool of society.

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    88. Re:No it isn't by Muad'Dave · · Score: 1

      I was waiting to see what piece of dystopian literature you were going to reference. The Communist Manifesto or 1984, or ???

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    89. Re:No it isn't by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      My company has a policy that states you may not have visible underwear. You are also not allowed to have a visible lack of underwear (which is, admittedly a little more confusing)

      ...but..butt....think of the plumbers!!

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    90. Re:No it isn't by Shotgun · · Score: 1

      A tattoo: A drawing on the skin, generally as a result of voluntarily sitting still in a generally unsanitary environment while a skanky "artist" pokes you repeatedly with a sharp instrument.

      Now, are the people sitting for tattoos the idiots, or the morons.

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    91. Re:No it isn't by kiatoa · · Score: 1

      It is 100% true that planned economies are unworkable. It is also true that there is a deep running issue with free market capitalism. If you honestly believe that most or all poverty in the US can be root caused to lack of effort or capability on the behalf to the afflicted then stop reading this comment now. You are yourself burdened with a very difficult to cure affliction and there is little to no point in engaging in conversation with you.

      If you have been around for a while and you have been paying attention you might be starting to wonder if there is something more deeply wrong. There is. It was root caused along with a likely very good solution over 100 years ago.

      Free market economies in conjunction with democracy still have great potential as a cornerstone to a free and great world. However with private control of natural resources (land, oil, water etc.) the system will always devolve to, well, what we have now. Economic crap.

      By the way, some folks may have riled at the natural resources sentence above, possibly imagining that it implied government control or ownership of those resources. Nothing could be further from the truth. Government control and ownership is *not* needed and is not necessary to solve this problem. The rest I leave as an exercise for anyone interested.

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    92. Re:No it isn't by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      Imagine that you boss wanted to put a sign on his door saying "Godhatesfags.com the truth is hard to hear!"
      How would you feel about that?
      Or would you want to meet with a vendor with swastika tattoos on all over his arms?

      Even freedom of speech has it's limits.

      You can't possibly be serious. Just seeing godhatesfags.com on a piece of paper, or swastika tattoos on someone offends you so much that you would reduce their freedom of speech to get your way? What are you thinking? How does a posted sign violate you so much that you need to stop them by force?

    93. Re:No it isn't by Peach+Rings · · Score: 1

      Read the context, I was criticizing his implication that an employer can fire you for any reason they want.

  184. Tattoo Suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You could always have the formula for the Planck Length tattooed on your penis.

    Just sayin'...

  185. A sad day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Proof that tattoos in the world's culture are about to jump the shark...I keeeeed :)

  186. Pythagorean Theorem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get this:

    The square of the hypotenuse is equal to the sum of the square of the other two sides.

  187. With Text Based Tattoos Typography is Important. by PerfectionLost · · Score: 1

    I cannot stress this enough. If you are getting an equation tatooed on you, make sure you get someone with EXCELLENT typography. The letters themselves can be just as beautiful as the meaning behind them.

    Also, I have a penchant for the Golden Ratio (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_ratio).

  188. Choose something close to your sense of wonder by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    or identity. Was it the first equation that really gave you a love for math or science, or woke you up to the beauty of creation? Is it something that speaks to who you are and how you live your life? If it's that or something like that you've thought about for years, then it will never get old or feel silly when you are old.

    That's the answer I would give you to all the people here who are reflexively panning the idea of tattoos. I got two myself over twenty years ago that I thought long and hard about, a 17th century haiku by Onitsura and a passage from the Tao de Jing. I don't think about them much now, but when I do, they still exemplify core beliefs of mine and I'm happy to have them.

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  189. Pi by bigrockpeltr · · Score: 1

    how about u get one million digits of Pi on your back!!!
    Like this!

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  190. Resistor chart by MakinBacon · · Score: 1

    Tattoo one of those Resistor color code charts on your arm so you never have to worry about forgetting.

  191. Get a Star Chart by ImNotAtWork · · Score: 1

    When the Mayan apocalypse happens in 2012 or the Sun Rays get us in 2013 and knock out all civilization you will still be able to navigate yourself to Margaritaville.

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  192. What formula? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Drop the formula. Go for the symbol pi. e could also be a choice, except you will look like you are promoting drugs.

    Glyphs in any alphabet are meant to be high-contrast and read at close distances. A tattoo should be distinguishable from further away, imnsho.

    Also - if you need to ask, you shouldn't do it.

  193. Pi by Jason+Levine · · Score: 1

    That's easy. Go for Pi. As in all the digits that will fit in tiny print across your body from your head to your feet. Sure, it'll be highly painful and but you'll get to laugh derisively when people ask you why you've got "a bunch of random" numbers tattooed all over you. And think of the pick-up lines! "Hey baby, care to come back to my place to see the millionth digit of Pi?"

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  194. QR code by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Whatever law or theorem or general saying you decide to go with...dont just write it, embedd it into a QR code using a QR code generator, and get that tatooed instead...its what I plan on doing

  195. Go all in by flatt · · Score: 1

    Embrace your non-conformity:

    pi=3

  196. The Y combinator by bjartur · · Score: 1

    The definition of Y in lambda calculi.

    But really, don't put this thing in a too obvious place: you may regret it. Your forehead would be a fine compromise.

  197. But Ohm's law is pretty! by RingDev · · Score: 1

    I was going to recommend a 'Pigeon flying over a Volcanic Island' tattoo.

    -Rick

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  198. A Geometric Proof by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    Like the Chinese geometric proof of 3-4-5 triangles or a Fibonacci spiral would be good choices, since they're aesthetically pleasing as well as mathematical.

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    1. Re:A Geometric Proof by TerranFury · · Score: 1

      Agreed; I like those suggestions! If I ever decided I wanted to commit to a tattoo, and specifically if I decided to get a math one, it would not be an equation; it would be something geometric (math is more than algebra, after all). Maybe an icosahedron? I also really like SO(3), but I'm not sure how to render that in a nice way; it's just too high-dimensional...

      That said, it's hard to say that what I thought was cool when I was in my 20s would still entertain me at 50. I mean, just look at my Slashdot username; I've got this whole Starcraft angry-human reference thing going on which is now pretty pointless to me, and which persists only because I don't want to break continuity. I'd hate to have an equivalent tattoo.

  199. How about by pturley · · Score: 1

    The Schrodinger wave equation?

    1. Re:How about by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or, like, half of the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle.

  200. Derive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know for certain that I'm going to include some of Maxwell's equations, and definitely Ohm's Law.

    Just last week, someone told me that on his final test for a class the prof had them derive Ohm's from Maxwell's, so this would be a great way to get BOTH in one!

    Hope you have your back open, I bet you'll need it.

    1. Re:Derive! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't derive Ohm's law from Maxwell's equations. A constant current-voltage relation (which is what resistance is) is not fundamental to electromagnetism. Heck, most electronic devices don't obey Ohm's law.

  201. Re: No. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    People make snap judgments about others. Get over it. That's why you show up for an interview in a suit. That's why you show up for a date bathed and with your teeth brushed.

    Sure, eventually you can win someone over when they get to know you but many folks won't give you the chance if you look like a fad chasing lemming that permanently disfigures themselves to follow a trend.

    It makes you look stupid.

    Yeah, but how low is your self-esteem if you give a shit whether the bag-boy at the market thinks you look stupid?

  202. Tattoo your IQ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tattoo your IQ, because no one will believe it is more than 80 once you join the tat set. :)

  203. Think ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a tattoo of the name of your ex-girlfriend.

    Don't like the idea? You might not be so keen on your current idea in a few years.

  204. Or go with the Law of Cosines by JSBiff · · Score: 1

    They Pythagorean Theorem is just the Law of Cosines for a restricted set, so why not go with the more general solution?

  205. The classics by GameMaster · · Score: 1

    Well, there's always the classics, a pen holding pocket protector on the chest; a slide rule on the fore-arm; and (for those adventurous enough to get a face tattoo) horn rim glasses.

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  206. Let's spin it for MC Boltzy by Bemopolis · · Score: 1

    The best choice: S = k log W. Jus' representin', for my homey that didn't make it.

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  207. "Sleeves"? by khb · · Score: 1

    Probably just showing my ignorance, but I thought the OP was asking about fake tats printed on a sleeve. Possibly for cheating on exams....

    Could be "cool" in the right circles (anyone else recall the episode of Big Bang Theory where two of the cast went clubbing with sleeves?)

    If the OP is serious about it, in addition to the photoshop etc. recommended ... a trial run with a Henna artist might be worthwhile.

    Each to their own, if it's what you want do it whatever we /. folks say.

    1. Re:"Sleeves"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, you are showing your ignorance.. Are you familiar with google?

  208. 3x9 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3x9[1]. What a coincidence[2]. :-))

    [1] http://xkcd.com/759/
    [2] http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0016356/
    cb

  209. RvsB Counterpoint by Gates82 · · Score: 1

    I define almost any tatoo as pointless. Besides how stupid were you 10 years ago?

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  210. Pb Foot by madskyllz · · Score: 1

    I've always wanted a small box (maybe an inch square) with "Pb" and it's atomic mass on my right foot.

  211. Think About What You Want. by helix2301 · · Score: 0

    If you are asking this question then you should not be getting a tattoo. You should know what you want its going to be tattooed forever on your body. Get something that means something to you forever not just get something that is cool. Cool changes these tattoos don't.

  212. Mandlebrot fractal by thethibs · · Score: 1

    If it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. The Mandlebrot Fractal would be my choice.

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  213. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would suggest something that is personally significant and perhaps associated with an event. A generalized "I want a tattoo" choice will likely be regretted IMO.

    I'm a physicist. I got the covariant for of the Maxwell equations as an arm band when I made tenure a few years ago. I'd wanted one like it for about a decade but kept thinking I would change my mind when I became more mature and professional. I'm afraid this is as mature and professional as I'm likely to get. I do optics-ish stuff, so it's meaningful to me. I like it, no regrets. There's also some comfort in knowing that these are the only equations in physics that remain unchanged in relativity and quantization.

  214. If you have to ask, don't do it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have to ask which equations to use, you probably shouldn't do it. If you truly live and breathe equations, it should come naturally. If you don't live and breathe equations, you probably shouldn't do it. Tattoos are for the rest of your life, so they should be meaningful to YOU. Not meaningful to the people responding to this thread.

  215. a couple from CS by fusiongyro · · Score: 1

    The Y combinator: y f = f (y f).

    Quicksort in Haskell:

    qsort [] = []
    qsort (x:xs) = qsort (filter (< x) xs) ++ [x] ++ qsort (filter (>= x) xs)

    The unification algorithm, if you need to use up some space.

  216. Here is one.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOOB

  217. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're not smart enough to answer this question, please don't get the tattoo

  218. Displays! by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 1

    I find your hint of wearable displays very interesting. e-ink tattoos!

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  219. Simple by AyCarumba · · Score: 0

    A tattoo is a very simple thing to understand and apply. It must mean something to *you*. No one else, and for no other reason. Anyone telling you if you should or shouldn't, or what to get (or not get) needs to mind their own business. Your body, your story. Tell it how you want.

  220. Advice from a tattoo artist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have to ask what to get, don't get one.

  221. Fractals by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But only if you can explain the strange attractors to a hot chick.

  222. GAL by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You should tatoo a "GET-A-LIFE!" on your forehead, pal!

  223. never had a problem with jobs by pigwiggle · · Score: 1

    I've been tattooed for around 20 years now. Never had a problem getting a job. Sure, there are bound to be a few wound up pricks passing judgment. But I've meet very few. It's probably because narrow minded people do poorly with hiring - selecting employees based on stuff unrelated to job performance. I'm smart and good at what I do, and that's always been more than enough to get the positions I want. Being tattooed hasn't limited me socially, either. I'm married to an extremely attractive woman. She is a physician. And in fact, many of her colleagues are tattooed.

    "Sure, eventually you can win someone over when they get to know you but many folks won't give you the chance if you look like a fad chasing lemming that permanently disfigures themselves to follow a trend. "

    Look - I don't know how old you are, but kids do impulsive and capricious things. It has been my experience that these kind of people are a lot of fun. You come off as really sour. Loosen up, have some fun - you might make some friends.

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  224. 42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i would just go for 42. it's a number, so it should fit in the categories above...

  225. Tattoo's are Stupid by WildBillSV · · Score: 0, Troll

    Anyone who would mark their body for life needs to have their head examined. The subject matter really doesn't matter. All tattoo's look like hell especially over time.

  226. Don't get any tatoos. by oilyfishhead · · Score: 1

    And get off my lawn.

  227. Paging Dr. Freud by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    "We're all raised to be a part of this machine, and one cannot simply find some nice, fertile spot of land to raise crops and lovestock these days. "

    Well...whatever floats your boat AC.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
  228. HAY GUYZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    has anyone said yet "hay tattoos r bad and you shouldn't get 1 cuz they look bad later in life?" just wanna b sure this guy knos lololololol.

    Seriously people, how many variations of "don't get a tattoo" do we need to post? Your "i'm more intelligent than you because I didn't get ink on my body" pose isn't fooling anyone - you aren't going to "laugh at people later in life" because they got a tattoo, you are going to be the same quiet, nonconfrontational nerd you are today and you won't say a goddamned thing. Except maybe online.

    That's why you are posting comments like this on a message board in the first place - if you really thought it was "stupid" you would just frown and ignore it like the rest of the world instead of feeling the need to post your superior opinions on the internet.

    And this is coming from someone who has no tattoos whatsoever. GET OVER YOURSELVES.

  229. you need some real estate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but i'd go with the Lagrangian of the Standard Model.

  230. Wow...such ignorance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On a site where users are meant to be smarter than average, it is disapointing to see so much ignorance.

    tattoos are a fad, they are dangerous, they are lame, make you look trashy etc...

    what crap.

    I have 4 tattoos, and each of them correspond to a significant point in my life, despite the pictures themselves being somewhat meaningless apart from the fact I like them. None except the small one on my arm are visible if I wear a t-shirt, and I have never had any problem.

    As I get older, as I lose friends or gain them or have new experiences, I kind of like having some marks on my body that remind me of key milestones in my life. Obviously it isn't necessary, but it isnt trashy or lame or whatever ignorant generalization people are projecting.

    please slashdotters, just educate yourselves, because at the moment you sound just like religious extremists or some other equally ignorant set of fools.

  231. How to pick a tattoo by ari_j · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here is my rule for tattoos: Select the exact design and location you want to have. If you still want that exact design and location in ten years, then get it. Otherwise, or if you change the tattoo or its location even in some minute point within those ten years, the clock starts over.

    1. Re:How to pick a tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's how I want to live my life -- only doing things I want to do after ten years of thinking about it. That way I'll be able to look back at my life and only regret all those many years I waited, doing nothing, but feeling happy at never having embarrassed myself in what little I did do.

      Assuming the OP isn't getting inked on his face or hands, even the dumbest tattoo is the world is going to have very few repercussions.

    2. Re:How to pick a tattoo by ari_j · · Score: 1

      The point is not to deliberate on any decision for a decade. The point is that most people justify tattoos by claiming they are an expression of their individuality. If your tattoo is not an expression of your individuality, then perhaps permanently affixed to your body is not the best place for it. If it is, then it should be equally true about your individuality in ten years as it is today. Failing that, it's an expression of a thought you once had and should be permanently recorded somewhere other than your body, if for no other reason than that you have only so much skin to work with and will hopefully have enough unique thoughts to fill it entirely within a decade. Otherwise, you're a total bore, no matter what tattoos you have.

    3. Re:How to pick a tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      As a heavily tattooed individual and as a tattoo artist, this is exactly right, this is my view on tattoos EXACTLY and precisely.
      Also, signs point to the fact that subby wants "a theme/idea" but is unsure and will go for anything "geeky/sciency" that people suggest - very unoriginal, very dull-minded, very fake.
      At this point, I do not condone this tattoo.

      / I've lurked /. for over three years and this is my second post ever. Time for me to get an account, I think. ari_j, I have been around the block and NEVER heard somebody with the EXACT same policy on tattoos as me - what you said, I've been telling people verbatim for 8 years now... except I say 4 years instead of 10 years. Cheers!

    4. Re:How to pick a tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a lovely exercise in logic, and may be a good way to inspire a few minutes of reflection in someone considering their first tattoo, but its implications if put into practice in real life lead to a way of living that I'd find pathetic. It's a tattoo, and, to repeat myself, the worst possible outcome is minor; to put it off for a large part of your living existence because you're afraid of a small chance of a minor possible negative outcome is living in fear, and is worse than having an awful tattoo IMO. (One of my ex's got a tattoo she later didn't like, and the only repercussion was that she didn't like it. She still got another half dozen tattoos or so, for a total of 9, and a decade later she likes them all. And they look great on her.)

    5. Re:How to pick a tattoo by ari_j · · Score: 1

      I am flattered by your response - I hope you manage to find this comment so you know that. At the very least, this guy shouldn't start with a sleeve. As to your policy: Four years is fair. The point isn't the duration, it's the comprehension of just how permanent the ink is. Thank you for explaining that to your canvas before you paint on it - you are a small but valuable part of making the world a less cliche and more artistic place. Keep the elevator music in the elevators.

    6. Re:How to pick a tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      excellent suggestion!
      I would also suggest the following:
      - wear math or science related clothes (t-shirts, cap, etc), you can even design your own and get it printed
      - talk math and science instead of wearing it on your skin, talking with people is actually quite fun ;)

      Then in a little while, your interest for math and science may fade away. Wear new clothes, talk about new things...

      My point is keep your options open.

    7. Re:How to pick a tattoo by piraat · · Score: 1

      Or pick a place that no-one will see unless you show it. I have something in the inside of my mouth, in my lip. I love it but will never get bored of it because i only see it when i want to. A friend of mine knows what design, but not yet where he wants it. So he draws his design on different places of his body every few days.. looks odd, but good way to test.

    8. Re:How to pick a tattoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is my rule for tattoos: Select the exact design and location you want to have. If you still want that exact design and location in ten years, then get it. Otherwise, or if you change the tattoo or its location even in some minute point within those ten years, the clock starts over.

      That's exactly what I did. 10 years.
      And now that I have done it I don't regret it at all (mind you, it's almost completely invisible to others and shouldn't get damage by time as the skin stretch very little there.

      Good advice :-)

  232. Calabi-Yau by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd personally get a Calabi-Yau manifold. I don't understand the math around them, the science that uses them might not really be science at all, but they look cool as hell.

  233. Maybe something more visual by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Equations, sadly (and blocks of text in general), don't make very good tattoos.

    If you're really keen to go through with this, try looking for something that visually more interesting but still geeky. As an example, I know a math teacher that has the graphical example of the Pythagorean Theorem as a tattoo. Find some visually interesting geekery that's specifically important to you or your work... maybe a nice Penrose tiling.

  234. Isn't it obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fermat's last theorem, on your .. oh I won't say it, because it's so obvious.

  235. How about the Nyquist–Shannon sampling theor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This can be a nod to the ATT/Bell monopoly or a tip of the hat to bad rap/hip-hop artists everywhere!

  236. No doubt about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ebers Moll equation
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_junction_transistor

    Either that, or just the number of 25.8070. (sqrt of 666) (If $ is the root of all evil, what is the square root of all evil?)

  237. Really? by Weaselmancer · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is the most poignant question you've seen in a long time? Seriously?

    Ok, look. Here's some wiki for you.

    2,332,760 / 4,314,880 * 100% = 54%

    54% of the arable land in North America is not utilized. If you want to live on a farm go do it. Uncle Sam will even help. But if you're totally punk rock and don't want to "be part of the machine", then go be Amish. They manage it pretty well.

    The reason why nobody actually does this is because that way of life is stupefyingly difficult. Up before dawn to a full day of hard labor every single day.

    Go spend a week on a real farm. Just a single week. I'm sure they'd be glad for the help. I'll bet you don't last two days. I doubt I would.

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    Weaselmancer
    rediculous.
    1. Re:Really? by flaming+error · · Score: 1

      >>> Why is employment optional in a society which offers people no alternative means by which to sustain themselves?
      > If you want to live on a farm go do it

      If you are saying we all have the option to go off-grid and start a farm, I don't think you've actually tried it. I won't say it's impossible, but the family farm in America is dead, and not because nobody wanted the lifestyle.

    2. Re:Really? by Peach+Rings · · Score: 2, Funny

      My father became fabulously rich not growing the most alfalfa of any farmer in the state.

    3. Re:Really? by flappinbooger · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Depends what two weeks of the year you are there. And what type of "farm" it is.

      From what I've seen, even if you do 10,000 acres of grain (be it corn, wheat, beans, etc) there are DEFINITELY times of the year when you don't do nuthin.

      Of Course, the planting season and the harvest season are pretty busy (24x7 if you can).

      But, if all you do is grain, there are some times when the most difficult thing you do is going to your favorite breakfast joint to drink coffee and tell tall tales.

      The hard kind of farming is when you deal with livestock. Those kinds of farms.... Yeah. It stinks. Literally and figuratively. Having livestock makes it hard to get away on vacation - ever, it's a dawn to dusk type of career. No, I'm not a farmer, but I live in farm country and I have a lot of friends who are farmers or grew up on farms. Most grain farmers have some sort of livestock though, from what I've seen. Until they want to slow down when they get old, then they sell off the livestock. Yes farming is hard, but it isn't torture, and it can be very profitable.

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      Flappinbooger isn't my real name
    4. Re:Really? by networkBoy · · Score: 1

      I worked a dairy on my summers growing up (to keep me out of trouble as it were). Yeah, I'll bet anyone from the city who's never been on a farm a paycheck they won't last a week.
      -nB

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    5. Re:Really? by mcvos · · Score: 1

      The reason why nobody actually does this is because that way of life is stupefyingly difficult. Up before dawn to a full day of hard labor every single day.

      Go spend a week on a real farm. Just a single week. I'm sure they'd be glad for the help. I'll bet you don't last two days. I doubt I would.

      Farming really is ridiculously hard work, for ridiculously little profit. My brother-in-law has a farm (not in the US, mind you; perhaps things are better there) that's worth EUR 5 million; enough to retire from. But actually working the farm, he has to work 80 hours a week and barely makes ends meet. I live in one of the biggest agricultural exporting economies in the world, yet running a simple farm is not economically viable. There's something really wrong with our system.

    6. Re:Really? by Golddess · · Score: 1
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  238. blood type by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The only idea I can come up with for a tattoo for myself is my blood type, O+, which could be turned into an o-times, the matrix operator, if combined and turned on its side by 45 degrees.

    I'd probably have them put it over one the veins in my arm, if I weren't a pussy, or cheap, or afraid of blood poisoning.

  239. Schematics by Agripa · · Score: 1

    I would go for some basic electronics building blocks like a folded cascode differential amplifier with current mirror load and differential to single ended conversion. If that is too large just leave out the folded cascode. A Gilbert cell would be another good tattoo.

  240. math tattoo = marked for death by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't get a science tattoo. You will be marked for death in the idiocracy.

  241. Demote yourself to a lower class? Yessir! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tattoos are for trash. It's why criminals and the lower class have them in such great numbers. I'll make an exception for soldiers.

    Everyone I know who is an engineer and has a tattoo are hipster dorks that are aging faster than their imagined coolness can mitigate. The older ones already hide their tattoos. You won't get jobs for your non-standard appearance and you'll look increasingly pathetic as every year ticks by.

    Getting a tattoo is like having a nose ring or dying your hair green. It only works when you are in your twenties. Thing is, you can grow your hair out and take your ring off but you are stuck with the tattoo for life.

    This question is like asking if you should get diamond encrusted grillz for your teeth, or if you should do body modification and split your wiener in two. Smart, logical, rational, thinking people that read Slashdot know that kind of crap is for trash only, the kind of people who are career criminals or work as a roadie or install roofing when they aren't punching their pregnant girlfriend.

  242. Math, Science? How about... by dmorel · · Score: 1

    The answer to life the universe and everything...

  243. Beware of cancer! by WetCat · · Score: 1

    Careful! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/7706225/Henna-tattoos-linked-to-leukaemia-risk.html
    Henna tattoos can give you cancer! Personally I know a person who got leukaemia from henna tattoos!

  244. f=ma by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    f=ma

    Nothing more important than that.

  245. I have a meaningful tattoo by justinlee37 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You don't think that some ideas or symbols are worth marking your body with?

    I have a tattoo of the symbol for infinity on the center of my back. Any T-shirt covers it up so 95% of the people I meet haven't seen it and don't even know I have ink. I got the tattoo after thinking of the idea and considering it for 1 or 2 years. My Dad took me to the artist who did all of his tattoos right after my high school graduation ceremony, and paid for it as a graduation present.

    I got the tattoo because the concept of infinity is closely related to immortality, timelessness, and endless life. It's ironic to tattoo a symbol for timelessness on a mortal body that will eventually wither, die, and rot. Therefore the tattoo is a personal reminder to live life to the fullest because it doesn't last forever.

    The tattoo is not a cheap joke. It's not a kitschy idea. I don't show it at parties to get a laugh out of people. It's a very personal reminder to be happy and enjoy life.

    You're right that it's very important to consider that tattoos last for the rest of your life (but not forever), and that they will eventually fade and possibly be warped by the wrinkling and sagging of skin. It's important to think about a tattoo for a long time before getting it to make sure that you want it, and it's also important not to get a tattoo of some political or scientific position you have that might change in the future. A tattoo of a flower is simple and timeless; flowers will always represent life, love, and beauty, and the tattoo could mark some important life event (such as my high school graduation). A tattoo that says "Bush Sucks" or "Jesus Saves" might not be a good idea because you might not always feel that way.

    So, in summary, some tattoos are indeed stupid, but the idea that getting a tattoo is inherently stupid is a stupid idea. I'm not worried about my tattoo fading or wrinkling because it's a tattoo about aging and death anyway; the whole point is that it won't be there forever. The next tattoo I'm going to get will simply read "no hope, no fear" and I've been sure that I want it for over a year.

  246. Patent 7179253? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    By Paul D. Graham, Peter T. Elliot, Kevin G. Gallagher

  247. Golden Ratio by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

    Has nobody mentioned the elegant subdivisions of a golden ratio tattoo? I've seen several, and they're all quite nice.

  248. Jay by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you don't know what to get. have the "Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet..." tattoed until you know what you want!

  249. Or, for a simpler infinite progression... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Use this picture of John "Horned" Conway. (Here's the math behind it.)

  250. Ohm's law ? by feufeu · · Score: 1
    I'll just hope that you don't mean this:

    R = U / I

    because it's the definition of electrical resistance. IMHO Ohm's law says that I ~ U, but only when R is constant (which is not the case in soo many situations, but you'll know that)

    If i had to pick one it would be Schroedinger's equation, three-dimensional and time dependant of course. Should be a great opener for small talk but any of these will definitely make you look, well, geeky.

    BTW: what about a URL ?

  251. Your heroes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have any evidence that any of your math heroes had tattoos? If no, you might want to rethink getting those.

    With all the things to "invest" in, in the world, all the charitable causes or cool tech, tattoos fall way down the list between retarded and lame.

    My boss goes through some employees, and without fail, the ones with the most tattoos do the worst and get canned the soonest. Not that this proves much overall, but anecdotally I have noticed it working around the country for some decades in several different fields. Ya, I know it is trendy and all, but it is what I have seen. People who think tattoos are important...I question their overall values and decision making on other topics as well, especially when done to extreme excess, and a full "sleeve" would be extreme and excess, IMO.

    Not meant to flame, just a word of caution and really think about it beforehand, project out when you are older, do you really think you will like them then, or that it will really improve your life to any degree or really influence people for the better?

  252. Geeky tattoos by Rei · · Score: 1

    Geeky tattoos aren't even rare. Check out this site. Some of them are really clever/impressive.

    There's also the site "geekytattoos.com", but it seems more focused on gaming and geek culture.

    --
    "99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
    1. Re:Geeky tattoos by Rei · · Score: 1

      Oh, and this is from another site, but is still my favorite. ;)

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      "99 dead duelists of Dios on the wall. 99 dead duelists of Dios! Take one's ring, pass it around..."
  253. Bayes' rule by skelterjohn · · Score: 1

    P(A|B)P(B) = P(B|A)P(A)

  254. Right Hand Rule by superstick58 · · Score: 1

    If you like Ohms law and Maxwell's equations, you must have some interest in electrical engineering. As such, don't forget the graphics. I highly recommend the right hand rule ripped off directly from , IEEE,

  255. e, Feibenbaum Numbers, Bifurcation Diagrams, etc. by cowtamer · · Score: 1

    The coolest one I've seen was on a girl who had the digits of e (2.71828183...) spiraling around her arm...

    I'd say be nerdier than that and get a Feigenbaum number (or, in the same vein, a Bifurcation Diagram).

  256. s**ex = f(u**n) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    where ** is a superscript

  257. How about this geeky artwork? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Besides looking geeky cool, if you're ever abducted by aliens you'll be able to use it to find your way home (or, alternatively they'll be able to use your empty skin husk to find more tasty treats).

  258. Best Calculus Equation ever! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The integral of E to the X power equal a function U to the N power :)

  259. Tattoo remorse rate is 98% by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    98% of people who get a tattoo feel immediate strong remorse and wish they hadn't. Seriously.

    Get the design you want, print it out, then hang it on your wall for TWO YEARS. Somewhere where you can't avoid seeing it many times per day. If you still like it after two years, then go for it.

  260. Re:This should be a new product for ThinkGeek by Fumbili · · Score: 1
    Fake Tattoo sleeves as seen on The Big Bang Theory.

    Sister company Think Geek pay attention. Business opportunity here to make these for geeks!

  261. Pythaoreans Theorum by dgower2 · · Score: 1

    To Answer OP's question, I suggest Pythagorean's Thoerum. Too simple?

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    Proverbs 21:19 It is better to dwell in the wilderness, than with a contentious and an angry woman.

  262. PI-- by way2trivial · · Score: 1

    but you have to get all the digits.....

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    every day http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Random
  263. It Depends On Your Commitment by LowlyWorm · · Score: 1

    A full body periodic table might work.

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    Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a banana.
  264. A blessing in disguise. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Imagine.

    No corporate job. :)

    I could cope with that.

  265. Isn't it obvious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Do you have enough room for a proof of Fermat's theorem?

  266. Then you know you are free! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    2+2=4

  267. relativity... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i > U

    from T-shirt avail at thinkgeek

  268. Is it Constitutional? by mangu · · Score: 1

    Note that the employer is breaking federal law if 'x' is:
    race, color, religion, sex, age, ethnic group, or national origin
    disability
    genetic information
    association with or marriage to someone (on the basis of race, religion, national origin, or disability)
    previous discrimination lawsuits, or participating in discrimination investigations
    participation in schools or places of worship associated with a particular racial, ethnic, or religious group

    Interesting. Among other things, the United States Constitution says:

    Amendment X
    The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.

    Does the Constitution specifically state that the federal government has the power to legislate on the topics you mentioned?

    1. Re:Is it Constitutional? by AK+Marc · · Score: 1

      Does the Constitution specifically state that the federal government has the power to legislate on the topics you mentioned?

      Yes. It specifically states that all people shall have equal protection under the law.

  269. Sine wave by FatalTourist · · Score: 1

    That's all you need.

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    Escape Pod Films: Sketch Comedy and Web Series
  270. Logic of Tattoos by Cassander · · Score: 1

    I would question whether anyone with tattoos actually is any kind of geek, especially a math or science geek. We're supposed to be logical and have superior reasoning abilities, and there's absolutely nothing logical or reasonable about getting ink permanently injected into your skin.

    There's nothing logical or reasonable about making your toaster run linux either, but it's considered a mark of true geekdom. Not all geeks have to be Vulcans. I think getting a tattoo of physics equations or a perl script or whatever to be incredibly geeky.

    If you want art, get it on paper or canvas so you can pass it down to your descendants, not something that's destined to die when you do and that you can never sell or easily get rid of.

    You can pass down your tattoo to your descendants... Just leave instructions in your will to be skinned and have your hide turned into a nice human-leather wall-hanging. (There's also photos & memories if you're squeamish).

    Tattooing is a fad that comes and goes over the years; it was popular among the flappers in the 1920s and popular among WWII and Korean War soldiers. Today's tattoo fad comes to us courtesy of the American Prison Syetem, just like that other retarded fad, the pants halfway down with boxers showing.

    Now tell these guys to GOML with their illogical fad following. Here's a hint for them -- you're never cool when you're trying to be. If you have tattoos, you might not belong at slashdot.

    I know you're an old-timer, but tattoos aren't just for felons and soldiers anymore. They have actually achieved pretty wide mainstream acceptance. Kind of like how computers aren't just for geeks anymore.

    Now, personally, I know I'm too fickle to commit to something that permanent on my body. But if other geeks want to decorate their skin with some geek-tribe symbols, I totally approve.

    P.S. Discrimination for employment (or anything else) based on the existence of a tattoo should be punished as harshly as discrimination based on race, hair color, or sexual orientation. (However, an employer should be free to set a policy that tattoos must be covered while in uniform, as long as that policy is applied equally).

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  271. Test Answers by qeorqe · · Score: 1

    Don't alot of non-geek students write equations on their arm?

  272. In Korporatist Union of Amerikan States... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Korporations ARE Kongress!

  273. von Karman vortex by snoop.daub · · Score: 1

    I've been thinking about getting a von Karman vortex street tattoo for years now. Maybe like one of those tribal patterns some people get around their upper arms. But cooler. Main thing that keeps me away is that getting my first tiny tattoo was nerve-wracking enough! I don't like needles...

    http://unrulednotebook.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/turb_cyl_karman_vortex.png

  274. Don't do it. by methano · · Score: 1

    Don't do it.

  275. just show'em your true geometric color by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a pink triangle

  276. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a signal processing engineer I'd vote for Nyquist theorem. :)

  277. Life the Universe and Tattoos by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Integral of function infinity (x) = 42

    What that looks like:
    http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WhddCSlkIyzikdrGnetDGw?feat=directlink

  278. No... by Demena · · Score: 1

    Purple underwear? I'll wear pink and tell them it faded.

  279. geek fu by roc97007 · · Score: 1

    You know that to leave MIT your final test is to move a burning chalice off a pedestal, forever burning B = mu(H) into your left forearm and J = sigma(E) on your right forearm.

    Be careful, if you have those marks and haven't earned them the MIT ninjas will visit you in the dead of night...

    ...nah, I can't make that work. I've got nuthin.

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  280. Schrödinger equation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The Schrödinger equation is rather important. Also, not "some" of Maxwell's - go for all 4 of them... just leave room for magnetic monopoles in case they ever show up :)

  281. Conway's Game of Life by LanMan04 · · Score: 1
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  282. Ummm... by Demena · · Score: 1

    Order your knife through the company purchasing system. That is what I did.

  283. AACS KEY by matthiasvegh · · Score: 0

    How about 09 F9 {...}? Atleast you'll have an "illegal" tatoo..

  284. The only tattoo I've given serious consideration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    .. was the UPC bar code for the book "Soylent Green" on my shoulder.

  285. Exams by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    Regardless whether you are a scientist of engineer or how correct, at a fundamental level, the laws you plan to tattoo are one thing is certain: you had better not be planning to sit any more exams otherwise you may end up being skinned alive either literally or figuratively depending on your choice before the exam.

  286. graph it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    why would you get an equation tattoo when you could get a graph of said equation to illustrate it?

  287. Obligatory B&B reference by Barsamin · · Score: 1

    Butt-head:I'm gonna get a tattoo of a butt!
    Beavis:Oh yeah, well I'm gonna get a tattoo of a butt, on my butt!
    Butt-head:Oh yeah, well I'm gonna get a tattoo of a butt that has a butt-shaped tattoo on it. And I'm gonna get it right on my butt!
    Beavis:Yeah, me too!

  288. Well... by denmarkw00t · · Score: 1

    I think all tattoos should hopefully mean something to the person wearing them, so my advice here would be not to take any advice on what to get or not to get. Listen to your heart (herp derp) and get something that really speaks to you or who you are or the things you love. Just getting a tattoo that fits into your lifestyle well doesn't mean you're going to like it 50 years down the road, or that it will even mean anything to you at that point.

  289. Re:This should be a new product for ThinkGeek by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

    Fake Tattoo sleeves as seen on The Big Bang Theory.

    No geek with an ounce of dignity would associate themselves with The Big Bang Theory.
    Also, there are at least two versions of fake tattoos, already. Temporary rub-on tats, and henna tats.
    Want to make a statement at your next interview? Do a henna sleeve.
    It'll impress them ;)

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  290. Fermat Theorem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As far as I remember, it took 300 years to solve it again, because Fermat was a poor fellow, paper was very expensive, and he just ran out of paper.

  291. Don't do it by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    Why permanently deface your body? IMHO tatoos are ugly. A whole arm of formulae sounds especially ugly. Besides it screams "I'm a nerd" so no sex for you.

  292. e ^ i*pi + 1 = 0 by perlmangle · · Score: 1
    Euler's identity
    • The five most important constants
    • The three most basic operations
    • The single most fundamental relation

    Has it all.

  293. Current under tension is ex********* by tpledger · · Score: 1

    Yep. That was what I thought of, too. That, and how it would've saved Arnold Rimmer from smudging his crib notes in Red Dwarf.

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  294. yeah yea yeah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    your body's a temple and all that. I don't think there's anything wrong with a bamboo tattoo as long as u don't go over the top. The Maori have always got them. Something to look at if u ever find urself in a concentration camp.

  295. Go for a statement instead by MartinSchou · · Score: 1

    I've really only thought of one thing that I'd want to have tattooed onto my body:

    DONOR just below the collar bone.
    BLOODTYPE (whatever)

    And then a line around the organs on my donor list (heart, lungs, kidneys and liver). My eyes are also on the list, but I really don't want to have a tattoo on my face.

  296. Not to mention... by DG · · Score: 1

    ...that when you consider your cannon (assuming 155mm, most common field artillery size in Western armies) has a lethal burst radius of 100m... sometimes "close enough" really IS close enough.

    DG

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  297. Bee has a post on her blog about this. by Chemicalscum · · Score: 1

    Bee the German theoretical physicist at the Perimeter Institute here in Canada has a recent post about scientific tattoos on her blog Backreaction. It includes to nice photos of scientists with scientific tattoos on their arms:

    http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2010/06/why-do-people-get-tattooed.html

    I have for the last twenty years have been trying to persuade myself into getting a tattoo of Schrodingers wave equation, someday I will, or maybe not.

  298. Mandelbrot by mattholimeau · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I haven't read all the replies, but I'm surprised that so far I haven't heard any mention of the amazing mandelbrot set. That could make for an interesting background at the least. If I were to do it, it would likely be some mosaic of all the most interesting math I could find, with probably some overlay of mandelbrot and the golden number (like, many many of the digits closely-packed) as the background. It would certainly take some time (yes, for me, probably years) to figure out what the foreground would be. Very interesting and introspective-inducing post. Shame on all those who preach "no tattoo" to someone clearly interested in a tattoo.

  299. If you really want to get one... by ponraul · · Score: 1

    Make a list of all the suggestions that you're getting here, and make sure that what you pick isn't on that list.

    Otherwise, it's not really an expression of whom really you are; it would be more confirmation that you're seeking to join a klatsch.

  300. Lorem Ipsum by Totto · · Score: 1
    If you are not sure what to get, may I suggest a bit of lipsum?

    Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipisicing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.

    Seems appropriate.

  301. Of course... by IANAAC · · Score: 1

    Now, the clenched-fist, clueless Aspie will argue that neither of these are "logical" in the strict sense...

    Of course, attaching an autistic spectrum disorder to a view different than yours is logical too.

    :-/

    1. Re:Of course... by spazdor · · Score: 1

      Of course, attaching an autistic spectrum disorder to a view different than yours is logical too.

      OK, maybe I'm not being diagnostically rigorous here, but lots of mental disorders can be reliably correlated to particular worldview quirks. Paranoid schizophrenia and sociopathy are both also attached to lots of viewpoints different than mine.

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    2. Re:Of course... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Of course, attaching an autistic spectrum disorder to a view different than yours is logical too.

      Well, look where we are. I'm sure that a lot of us, maybe even most of us, have at least a touch of ass burgers (asperger's); I know I have at least a touch of it. And there's no more wrong with a mental disorder than there is a physical disorder, and most people experience some type of mental disorder at some point in their lives.

  302. Prove your brain by getting a decent job. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then, also, you won't have to "save up" for tattoos.

  303. Re:This should be a new product for ThinkGeek by JWSmythe · · Score: 1

        I happen to like that show. :) Now for an "as seen on..." item, that won't exactly have me and my money parting.

    The Gothowitz Deviation

    Wolowitz: They're called tattoo sleeves. I bought them online. Raj got a set too. Put them on, have sex with some freaky girl with her business pierced and I can take them off and still be buried in a Jewish cemetery

        As for sex with a freaky pierced girl, gotta love that. :)

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  304. Cantor ternary set by jejones · · Score: 1

    Of course, it will never be finished...

  305. Probably you shouldn't by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    Probably you shouldn't get something permanently on your body that might get you in trouble in tests...

    apart from that: "e^(i*pi)=-1" and "knuth is my homeboy" and some chuck norris facts of course...

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  306. Get laid by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The fact that you're even considering this tells me you've never been laid, and going through with this is certainly not going to help your situation. Perhaps you should spend the money on a good prostitute.

    If you have moral objections to that, take a trip or take up a new hobby with some danger to it; add some adventure to your life.

  307. Thinkgeeks by waimate · · Score: 1

    Tattoo's demonstrate someone's inability to extrapolate.

    Whenever I see a beautiful girl with a tatt, I always find myself thinking "wow, she's nice .... oh, what a pity, she's scribbled on herself"

    If you really want to get a geek tattooo, get one of those programmable ones featured on thinkgeeks a while ago. They lay a grid of e-ink into your arm, then you can set them to whatever you want with a wand. Really want to impress the chick you met last night? Get her name into your arm and don't tell her its programmable. New girlfriend? Change the name. Going to work? Set all pixels to off.

  308. always liked newton.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as a runner/engineer I'd have to go with v1t+1/2at^2

  309. Art and significance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have some friends who have have had tattoos and the view from them is that you need to consider both the significance to you and the art of the Tattoo. a lot of text, how dull is that and do you get the writing upside down or the right way up, (who will be reading it) Maybe find one of those formulas that forms crazy patterns when graphed and get the formula tattooed in the line of the graph.

    But seriously draw what you want on your arm with a pen and then look at the art of it from a distance(in a mirror or photo), if it doesn't look good don't get it done, whatever the perceived significance.

  310. What about exams? by LukeWebber · · Score: 1

    Suppose you decide at some time in the future that you'd like to take a few courses? What special arrangements will the examiners have to make to keep you from cheating? Flay you?

  311. Math class, low class by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just because tatoos are trendy, that doesn't mean they aren't trashy.

  312. Slide Rule? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The A side of a slide rule on your left arm and the B side of a slide rule on your right arm.... Then when the apocalypse happens you'll still be able to compute

  313. You could do the Julia Set by pugugly · · Score: 1

    Good News - it's pretty.

    Bad News - It'll take awhile.

    Pug

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  314. instead of equations, why not geek art by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mobius strip instead of barbed wire around the bicep
    - or a Klein bottle made to look like your heart

  315. Identity Matrix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not get your Identity incorporated into your tattoo? That way you can show who you really are.

    It will allow you to perform linear transformations.

  316. Bayes' Rule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In order to estimate these probabilities properly, I'd start by tattooing Bayes' Rule into my arm.

  317. Favorites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some of my favs are: e^(pi*i)+1=0 and pi% of 1337 = 42

  318. Trekker Backpiece by kencf0618 · · Score: 1

    Some might consider the Trekker option closer to fine:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/kencf0618/4719438855/

    I've several palm-sized tattoos, all covered up. And mathemamatically, I'd go with phi.
         

  319. go with a full body tatoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) original proof of the 4 color theorem
    2) classification of finite simple groups
    good luck

  320. Pi? Brilliant by DahGhostfacedFiddlah · · Score: 1

    I was wondering how he could possibly hope to fill up a sleeve. Pi is *perfect* for this.

    3.14159265358979323846264338327950288419716939937510... ...and as many more as he needs, in whatever is the smallest size the tattoo artist can make while still being legible.

  321. Get a Feynman diagram by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feynman_diagram

  322. You think like a ReThuglican Jew by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You think like a ReThuglican Jew

    1. Re:You think like a ReThuglican Jew by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

      Don't tell me, let me guess. You think fuckin magnets are miracles, right?

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      rediculous.
  323. Hmm. by Nekomusume · · Score: 1

    Ada Lovelace in a bikini.

  324. Re:alternative choice - chew on edible tats? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Unless the "boobs" have names like "Rush Limberger" and "Glenn BeXX" ... Edible puns make great tats in the right places!

  325. Obfuscated C Code Tattoo by JuzzFunky · · Score: 1

    You probably don't want to copy him directly, but I was impressed by Thomas Scovell's Obfuscated C Code Tattoo.

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  326. Re:This should be a new product for ThinkGeek by k1t10 · · Score: 1

    Henna/mehindi - stinks. Having a stinky arm - will not impress anyone.

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    "Don't ask me, i'm just a girl"
  327. Get a Fields Medal instead. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tattoos always seem to represent what people don't do. The giant dude with the screaming bloody skulls is usually pretty quiet and nice, where the guy with the crosses or angels wings is probably a sex offender. The tribal designs are for pretty conformist followers, and the spiritual goji fish water tattoos are often on really shallow people. Case in point, people with japanese symbols couldn't order sushi if it wasn't in english. Tattoos kind of represent whatever it is you really suck at.

    If you want to stand out in mathematics, tattoos are not the way to do it.

    Get a Fields Medal instead. Much cooler.

  328. Generalized Stokes' Theorem by jensend · · Score: 1

    First, let me echo the sentiment that you shouldn't get a tattoo. Lots of people have cited good reasons not to; my personal take is that scrawling a tattoo on a human body is like scrawling a mustache on the Mona Lisa- c.f. 1 Cor 3:16-17,6:19. It doesn't matter how artfully done the mustache is.

    However, as the professor I had for multivariate analysis said, "I wouldn't encourage anyone to get a tattoo, but if they were determined to get one I'd recommend Generalized Stokes'." It's simple (just 9 symbols) and profound: the integral of the exterior derivative of an (n-1)-form over a n-manifold is the integral of the (n-1) form over the manifold's boundary. The Fundamental Theorem of Calculus, Green's Theorem, Gauss's Theorem/the Divergence Theorem, and Stokes' Theorem are special cases.

  329. Fractals by Rhesusmonkey · · Score: 1

    Lines of equations and code and whatnot are cool, but fractals are where it's at. I imagine it'd be fairly involved as far as detail goes, but people have done it. It's about as visually appealing as mathematics gets.

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  330. Maxwell's Equation(s) by BitterOak · · Score: 1

    You mention you want to include some of Maxwell's equations. In that case, you need to decide on their form. There is the elementary vector calculus form, in which there are four Maxwell equations. The cooler and more elite might use tensor or differential form notation, in which there are only two equations. But the coolest people use the Clifford algebra or biquaternion formulation in which all of Maxwell's equations are contained in one simple equation! It has the advantage of being compact (a good thing in a tattoo), succinct, and only understandable by the elite.

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  331. 42 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    42

  332. You need a slide rule penis tattoo! by swonkdog · · Score: 1

    The longer it gets, the more accurate it is! 8^)

  333. Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Youre not serious?

    This guy will be a hit in the clubs "Yeah, thats Ohms Law! Cmon, dont resist me baby"

  334. True Tattoo Geekery by real+gumby · · Score: 1

    If you're a nerd you've presumably read the FDA's advice on tattoos.. There's no controlled clinical data on the inks or their systemic effects.

    You might think that there's good de facto trial data simply because hundreds of millions of tattoos have been given and many of the recipients have lived to ripe old ages. Sounds OK...but since the pigments are unregulated it's not like there's really large populations of known users. And the huge explosion of tattooing over the last few years, and the concomitant arrival of new inks, makes the longitudinal data less relevant.

    Plus your skin is designed to keep stuff out. Do you really want to circumvent that? Once it's inside...well read the part about the dyes showing up in the lymph nodes. Who knows what the toxic doses are?

  335. Some things should not be democratic. by Moofie · · Score: 1

    I'd get things that meant something to me personally, rather than putting it up for some kind of vote.

    But what the heck do I know? I'm just some jackass on the internet.

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  336. e^i*pi+1=0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It contains the most beautiful constants of mathematics (0,1,e,i,pi), addition,subtraction,multiplication, and exponentiation (lacks division)

  337. My biology geek tattoo by Zerelli · · Score: 0

    I have a bust of Darwin tattoo on my upper arm surrounded by animals from the Galapagos. Darwin is a personal favorite and we share a birthday.

  338. Mandelbrot and Escher figures by williamyf · · Score: 1

    'nuff said!

    Por favor, moderenme como gracioso ;-)

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  339. Photos for Inspiration by Isquiesque · · Score: 1

    It's near impossible to wade through all the things that have already been posted, but in case you're looking for a visual library of inspiration, I recommend checking out evolutionary biologist/science writer Carl Zimmer's Science Tattoo Emporium: http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/category/science-tattoo-emporium/

  340. delta G by aeve · · Score: 1

    delta G = delta H - T delta S

    Italic serif script with nice chunky triangles for the deltas.

  341. "Geek" Tatoos are for posers by plopez · · Score: 1

    Real geeks don't give a damn. Using the research of a great mind at your job is tribute enough.

    Real geeks do not flaunt the title of "geek". They don't care.

    End of story.

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    1. Re:"Geek" Tatoos are for posers by geekoid · · Score: 1

      I called this years ago.

      Geeks are the wanna-bes, the talkers about, the non doers.

      Nerds are the doers. We do what we love. we do it better, we do it with passions. Geeks just want to talk about what other people have done.

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  342. Obligatory by fishexe · · Score: 1

    Seriously, tattoos are lame.

    Tattoos aren't in and of themselves lame. People get all sort of lame tattoos, however....

    Obligatory Red vs. Blue (which is a phrase you probably haven't heard in years)...

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  343. this one is rather good by Evtim · · Score: 1

    http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/loom/files/2008/07/five-kingdoms.jpg

    Saw it first in R.Dawkins book. Considering how well evolution is received in our "modern society" I say this tattoo is pretty strong statement of sanity, no? Pardon, I meant neediness, not sanity. Silly me...

  344. inequalities look nice by komap · · Score: 1

    try one of those: (Cauchy–Schwarz, Kolmogorov's or Minkowski_inequality (in integral form) ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cauchy-Schwarz_inequality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolmogorov's_inequality http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minkowski_inequality You may want to include some nice proofs.

  345. Navier–Stokes equations by komap · · Score: 1

    Navier–Stokes equations in polar coordinates. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navier–Stokes_equations#Derivation_and_description

  346. Then there's the more base equation: by darkonc · · Score: 1
    B(4) {alpha} Q = (R U [over] 18) Q T {pi}

    (the (4) is a subscripted 4.

    It's one of those ones that you either get, or you don' ... but it's lots of fun, once you get it, watching (and listening to) someone who doesn't try to figure it out.

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  347. Ultimate Answer by francoisroux · · Score: 1

    You'll have to have "42" done somewhere. I mean, that is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything...

  348. Feynman Diagrams by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Feynman Diagrams. Specifically the diagrams that he painted onto his van.

  349. Make sure it can be seen at a distance by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That way the rest of us can avoid you.
    Tattoos are s sure sign that the wearer can't think beyond tomorrow.

  350. Oblig by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    6*9=42

  351. Penrose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Get a Penrose tiling ! That will make the tattoo artist think.

  352. Einstein's field equations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Einstein's field equations. They're pretty as well.

  353. Common formula's by vhope · · Score: 1

    E=mc2 OR
    c2=a2+b2

  354. Grid by LinuxAndLube · · Score: 1

    I suggest having a large, perfectly spaced grid tattooed on your back. That way you can track the deformation of your skin over the years. Pretty sweet as a science project.

  355. Calculus of variations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In physics, I have found that the single most powerful idea is that that if a "special" value is going to be picked out for use in describing nature, it is a local extrema. So I would have something like DELTA(S) = 0

    Minimizing the action (Lagrangian) gives you mechanics (both classical and relativistic). It describes the motion of a state configuration through state space to show the thermodynamic evolution of a system. Fermat showed that light takes the path which minimizes transit time, giving the laws of reflection and refraction, I believe. Bubbles take the shapes that minimize surface tension. Laplace's equation in electrostatics gives the electric potential, and can be visualized as a surface which minimizes surface tension. Other of Maxwell's equations can be derived by minimizing electromagnetic energy density, I believe. Feynman offered a derivation of Schroedinger's equation by minimizing a function, and his path integral approach is variational in nature. In general relativity, objects travel along geodesics which minimize their their path length through space-time.

    Another foundational concept to consider is the empty set { }
    From it, the natural numbers can be "derived"

     

  356. Tattos have only on reason to exist: validation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And that is true for Maoris in New Zeland, Yakuza member in Japan and idiotic teenagers in Western countries.

    The question is: why do you need to obtain validation in that way?

    As for how they look, sorry, but in general they look ugly and trashy, in Western societies tatoos have never been associated with classy or educated people, that is something you have to deal with once you get one done.

  357. Don't be dissuaded by the naysayers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many many responses here are from people who have negative opinions of tattoos. The general argument that tastes change, and tattoos are permanent. While they are correct, I just wanted to respond by saying not to give too much weight to their opinion.

    People's tastes change, it's true. But very few people I know have grown to regret their tattoos. Tattoos are a form of expression, and a lot of people like to have one to express their personality, individuality and artistic taste. I myself have a geeky tattoo, and a decade and half on, I don't regret it :) I personally thought about my tattoo for about a month before I got it. Many people I know thought about it much less, and they don't regret it. If you're the type of person who often make impulsive decisions, you tend to be the type that doesn't fret over what their tattoo means to them now.

    My personal advice:
      - Avoid getting a tattoo that is visible while wearing business attire. Hands, face, neck, forearm, that sort of thing. It might not be something you do now, but you may be called upon someday to interview for a white collar job, entertain clients, give media interviews, scientific talks, that sort of thing, and visible tattoos aren't considered professional. It can also distract from the content of what you're saying at the time, depending on your audience. You might want to avoid a full sleeve tattoo in case you should ever need to wear a short-sleeve shirt, or roll up your sleeves. But it's not something you can't work with.
      - If you should choose to get a tattoo, get something that is especially personal to you. There's nothing so tacky as a barbed wire armband. This doesn't seem like it'd be an issue to you.
      - Your friends, social groups, and significant others do change as the years go by. I would avoid getting something that explicitly commemorates a specific relationship to a person or group. Especially true of gang tattoos, although this doesn't sound like this is something you need to worry about.
      - Avoid making the decision about tattoos when you're not yourself. By this I mean while you're intoxicated, or maybe under a lot of personal stress. It's during these times we make decisions we wouldn't otherwise have made.
      - Tattoos are removable, true. But it's not as cheap as getting them, and it's not convenient. If you have dark coloured skin, there is a higher chance that the removal process will leave a noticeable mark.
      - Avoid getting very intricate tattoos. Better tattoo artists will tell you that. Over the years, they do get a little fuzzy. If you want to keep your tattoo looking fresh, you can have them redone every decade, but you need to have a design that can tolerate a little bit of "expansion" on the edges. As cool as the Mandelbrot set is, this is something that will deteriorate over time. For your sleeve of equations, if the print is too fine, it may be the case that some of the smaller print may become illegible or at least less crisp as the years go by. I'm thinking exponents and subscripts and such. Ask your tattoo artist to show you a tattoo they got 10 years ago to get an idea of how they get fuzzy over time.

    Should you still decide to get a tattoo, I am sure you will still love it for years to come :)

  358. An interesting equation by Robb+Swanson · · Score: 1

    The equation "e^(pi*i) + 1 = 0" has the elegance of not only being true, but containing the four most important constants in mathematics.

  359. Who can tell the difference? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just tell people that my moles are actually tattoos of a hologram of a unicorn. People really think I'm cool, and I didn't have to do a thing!

  360. Ignore all the naysayers by nlaporte · · Score: 1

    I think this is a terrifically cool idea. My advice would be not to put any equation you don't understand, or you'll feel like a tool every time someone asks you to explain it. If you know any quantum mechanics, you could put Bohr's equation for the energy levels of a hydrogen atom. Coulomb's law springs to mind as well.

    Good luck!

  361. tribute to science? yeah, right! by ChristTrekker · · Score: 1

    You just want a permanent crib sheet for your physics exams!

  362. actual suggestion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think you can safely ignore most of the commenters here (save me, of course!). I, like you, had had an idea for a while that I really wanted (several actually), and the ultimate reason I got the first one is as follows:

    My designs, probably as your designs, are symbolic reflections of the past (which is even more permanent and future altering than tattoos) in some abstract sense. In this way the ideas that they communicate are ones that are already permanently embedded into who I am. So get your physics and math sleeve(s) because if you know what they mean then you've definitely put enough time into them that they are permanent fixtures in your mind/personality already, so the ink itself is really just a matter of "wearing your heart on your sleeve" so to speak.

    As to your actual question (rather than the tangent 80% of these posts are on), I'd go with the Laplace Transform, a DNA helix, the lowres zoomed out mandelbrot set, the xkcd nerdsniping infinite array of ideal resistors (if you can't have a little fun you're taking everything too seriously), keplers law that governs orbits (been a while since school), and the speed of light in m/s.

  363. If you get Ohm's law tattooed. . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does that make you resistant?

  364. Public Key by bmearns · · Score: 1

    The hex fingerprint for your PGP public key would make a good tattoo. Public Key crypto is deeply mathematical, and you'll be sure to always have your fingerprint available. Include some kind of stylized fingerprint image (meaning an actual human fingerprint, not a mathematical fingerprint) and you might even encounter a handful of stranger's who grok the meaning and invite a key exchange.

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  365. Topsy! by blendergasket · · Score: 0

    How about Topsy the electrocuted elephant keeling over?

  366. Geek or nerd? by geekoid · · Score: 1

    If you are a math geek. meaning you like the pretty symbols and kind of know what they mean, then get wahtever, your a waste, don't care.

    If you are a math nerd, then take the money and time and help kids learn math.

    Anything else is just worthless penis waving to distract from the fact that you have poor math skills, but feel a compulsion to make the non math people around feel like your smart.

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  367. My wiseass entry by eric02138 · · Score: 1

    pi=3

  368. Aren't tattoos just for whores and sailors anymore by dargaud · · Score: 1

    ? Apparently when other people do it, it doesn't look too hot...

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  369. A math-tattooed teacher here by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

    I am a mathematics and science teacher. After my first year in service, I got a capital Sigma on my right arm, and a capital Delta on the left.

    I had been thinking about the Sigma tattoo for years, as I used to be in a math society with that name. I also like simple geometric shapes, so equations were out of the question. Sigma and Delta are nice shapes even when you don't think about the math, and they have multiple meanings in sciences. Looking at the front, you see a sum of changes, which is a description of my bottom-up approach to life.

    I also agree with some posters that equations may not be valid forever. That is one more reason why I prefer showing a general attitude of mathematical and scientific thinking.

    Actually, these are so-called "body tattoos" that should only last a couple of years, but mine have only slightly faded after six. The only difference to "real" tattoos is the depth. At the time, my then-gf was taking such tattoos to sharpen the edges of her "real" tattoos. I figured if you want sharp geometric shapes, they will blur out eventually, so I would have to redo them anyway after some time.

    Being at the traditional location between the shoulder and the elbow, these are easy to hide even with many t-shirts. However, I often use shorter sleeved shirts during the summer, and I have zero problems with students and colleagues seeing them.

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  370. Heisenberg's Uncertainty and 2nd Law of Thermo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's what I've got. Nothing like saying everything changes and everything ends--in SCIENCE!

  371. Try before permenant; nature as math by enFi · · Score: 1

    Try it out in henna (or some other semi-permenant ink) first. This has the advantages of 'wait ten years' –specifically, you're not stuck –but also lets you see if you really like it in person, you aren't just imagining it.

    Personally, I am not tempted to get a tattoo. In addition to the permenance issue, I think my body is pretty sweet on its own –doubly so if what you want to celebrate is the beauty of the natural world and our understanding of the same.

  372. golden spiral by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    golden spiral

  373. Prof had a sign over his fireplace by beschra · · Score: 0

    I can't figure out how to do greek letters in a post. Replace 'omega' with the actual greek character. d'oh!

    "omega Sweet omega" which translates to "Ohm Sweet Ohm"

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