I dont think there's an email program in existence that actually saves emails as files, or arranges them in physical folders on your harddrive
You think wrong again. Heard of "mbox"? A fairly popular email storing format. Thunderbird is a very popular email program that uses it, Apple's email client supports mbox too. No point mentioning Sylpheed, Pine or Mutt. If you are unaware of all of these, your talking about email clients only weakens your argument.
In addition to your misconception of popular search engines using databases, this suggests that your ideas are quite out of touch from reality. No wonder the resulting conclusions make for interesting dreams but not practical workable solutions.
do you think Google stores things in a big organized hierarchical file structure, just like a human would do it with paper, manila folders, file cabinets and such? Or maybe they use, I don't know, some kind of "database" or something? Considering the billions of times per day that people are looking for things on Google, I would say, databases are pretty good at finding stuff.
You would say wrong. Google does NOT use database to store their search indexes. They use Google file system.
Now, you will come back and say GFS is a database. Then, FAT32 is a database too. More so, my BTRFS is surely a database - you know, it uses high tech B-Trees, maybe unicorn blood too.
Not sure about Bing, but Yahoo search before that didn't use databases either - it used some filesystem.
In Unity, main ways of bringing up an application's menu are 1. Hovering mouse near top of the screen - impossible when only touch interface is available
2. Holding down the alt key : Extremely unusable when there is no physical keyboard. This is because even to make menus visible, one needs to sacrifice lot of screen space to make onscreen keyboard visible. Even if the user doesn't intend to type.
So the Unity interface is an even worse failure for a tablet.
Yes. You can also use a firewall (DroidWall on Android, for instance) to block some apps. Though it can't block specific "kinds" of network usage, of course; its all or nothing.
Because there are features in several major releases that some non-tech users may care about
Yeah, but for some reason you have been unable to point out such features.
they either don't know or can't get them on the App Market
Market is more discoverable and applications are more easily installable than any OS update on any popular phone platform (Symbian / iOS / Android / RIM). OTA updates might appear simple, but on most platforms they are very difficult to undo. And for the reasons I pointed out, ability to undo is necessary. Market installations are very easily undoable.
speaking as though you are the authority
Well, for me it is easy, because I do know things that you don't. The fact that all these "features" are easily available from the market is important to have an opinion on this subject. It is not my fault that you lacked that knowledge. Hope you will not put your foot in your mouth like this again.
Yup. Motorola is nice hardware. Telephony is typically top-notch too. Too stupid to not try locked bootloader crap though.
My tastes are similar as far as size of phones is concerned. I zeroed in on Atrix 4G - densest feature rich phone I could find. Even Atrix 2 is too long for my tastes.
Iphone size is nice, though I don't like the huge bezel at the top and bottom. Screen is better than shiny plastic, any day.
If there's absolutely nothing useful to a user in the OS upgrades because it's all already available, then why is Google wasting time developing them?
1. Some are available only because Google developed it e.g. keyboard. 2. Launchers get inspired by new UI enhancements and may provide similar features for earlier OS versions too. 3. Some are for technical users. 4. Some are for newer hardware features e.g. NFC and secondary camera. 5. Back-end code to take advantage of newer processor / GPU features for new phones 6. A freedom to progressively assume more RAM
5 and 6 are why OS upgrades for older phones at times screw up experience on older phones.
I suppose "civilized manner" is
Maybe lack of personal comments? F? Strawmen? Tone?
Do you mean Motorola DROID RAZR XT912? It is HUGE - only thin. 13% longer than iPhone 4, 17% wider. Though 23% thinner too, but thickness IMO doesn't affect holdability and pocketability that much, as long as it is not too thick.
1. Keyboard? Gingerbread keyboard is on the Market for Android 2.0 and above. Many other keyboards too.
2. UI? As you yourself agree later, no UI will satisfy everyone. So anyone on 2.2 has already found a launcher and theme for his own taste, and won't even notice the UI enhancements. For those who haven't, 2.2 UI is what they like and they may hate the 2.3 "enhancements".
3. Application and Power manager? Geeky stuff, whereas you insist in your other posts that this is for non-geek users? Anyway, alternate applications are available, and popular launchers do it in an integrated fashion.
4. SIP? For people interested in VOIP, skype is there. Difference between skype and "integrated" SIP is too geeky, and anyone who understands that would be able to root most Android devices.
5. Downloads folder. There are custom download managers on the Market.
So in spite of all your statements to the contrary, the "user features" of 2.3 are either too geeky or available for "everyone" from Market.
Ok, you got some model numbers in other replies. NOW, start with one of those and show an Apple laptop for comparable price. Same rules - match or exceed ALL specs, no excuses.
therefore you cannot say "Android is Open Source",
That's all I'm saying
No, you are saying many other things too, check your recent slashdot post history. Not to mention the things you are saying elsewhere / "elsehow" . You are a liar.
Which brings us to the point that in natural language processing, it is context that has a large impact on the meaning of any sentence. Can you point me to a public statement from Google where the context implied Android Honeycomb and Google said it is open source? All I can find is Google saying open-source in the context of phones , where all its Android OSes have been open source. Or its statements before HoneyComb was released.
Since when do "open source" software vendors try to prevent people from using their software in whatever manner they want?
Since a long long time. Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, are all "open source software vendors". And they all "prevent people from using their software in whatever manner they want".
Yes, the write hole statement only applies to lower level RAID. Still, since other reasons stand, RAID (even RAID-z) is an overkill for most home NAS devices.
True. Which is why, most home NAS servers shouldn't user RAID. RAID only gives you uptime (in addition to speed, but we are not discussing that, I guess).
Data security is much better in home NAS by file duplication in different disks. More flexible - really important files can reside on 4 hard disks, less important files can reside on only 2. RAID Write hole is also much more applicable to home NAS, which causes RAID to be riskier than JBOD. The chances of "rm -rf" , and data corruption are also higher here - RAID simply faithfully replicates the file removal / data corruption.
In short - since uptime is not important - avoid RAID.
If you just turned the knob and didn't open the door
Well, to be really sure of the vulnerability, you would have to push just a little bit to show that not just the knob is turning, but door opens too. What if the lock (and latch) is designed in such a way that in some cases of wrong key, knob turns but door doesn't open?
Similarly, to be fully sure that personal information is accessible in this way, he would have to get the information. No way to prove vulnerability otherwise. E.g. maybe the web server allowed access but at database level there might be a VPD which will not give you the data?
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I dont think there's an email program in existence that actually saves emails as files, or arranges them in physical folders on your harddrive
I dont think there's an email program in existence that actually saves emails as files, or arranges them in physical folders on your harddrive
You think wrong again. Heard of "mbox"? A fairly popular email storing format. Thunderbird is a very popular email program that uses it, Apple's email client supports mbox too. No point mentioning Sylpheed, Pine or Mutt. If you are unaware of all of these, your talking about email clients only weakens your argument.
In addition to your misconception of popular search engines using databases, this suggests that your ideas are quite out of touch from reality. No wonder the resulting conclusions make for interesting dreams but not practical workable solutions.
do you think Google stores things in a big organized hierarchical file structure, just like a human would do it with paper, manila folders, file cabinets and such? Or maybe they use, I don't know, some kind of "database" or something? Considering the billions of times per day that people are looking for things on Google, I would say, databases are pretty good at finding stuff.
You would say wrong. Google does NOT use database to store their search indexes. They use Google file system.
Now, you will come back and say GFS is a database. Then, FAT32 is a database too. More so, my BTRFS is surely a database - you know, it uses high tech B-Trees, maybe unicorn blood too.
Not sure about Bing, but Yahoo search before that didn't use databases either - it used some filesystem.
. It is also very tablet-centric
In Unity, main ways of bringing up an application's menu are
1. Hovering mouse near top of the screen - impossible when only touch interface is available
2. Holding down the alt key : Extremely unusable when there is no physical keyboard. This is because even to make menus visible, one needs to sacrifice lot of screen space to make onscreen keyboard visible. Even if the user doesn't intend to type.
So the Unity interface is an even worse failure for a tablet.
You should start addressing actual points people make, rather than ad-hominems.
What's wrong with dear old low-tech versatile dog?
Yes. You can also use a firewall (DroidWall on Android, for instance) to block some apps. Though it can't block specific "kinds" of network usage, of course; its all or nothing.
Are you seriously suggesting that Slashdot has a pro-Apple, anti-Android bias? Do we visit the same Slashdot?
If you are on the eastern edge of the world, everything in the world is to your west.
Because there are features in several major releases that some non-tech users may care about
Yeah, but for some reason you have been unable to point out such features.
they either don't know or can't get them on the App Market
Market is more discoverable and applications are more easily installable than any OS update on any popular phone platform (Symbian / iOS / Android / RIM). OTA updates might appear simple, but on most platforms they are very difficult to undo. And for the reasons I pointed out, ability to undo is necessary. Market installations are very easily undoable.
speaking as though you are the authority
Well, for me it is easy, because I do know things that you don't. The fact that all these "features" are easily available from the market is important to have an opinion on this subject. It is not my fault that you lacked that knowledge. Hope you will not put your foot in your mouth like this again.
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Yup. Motorola is nice hardware. Telephony is typically top-notch too. Too stupid to not try locked bootloader crap though.
My tastes are similar as far as size of phones is concerned. I zeroed in on Atrix 4G - densest feature rich phone I could find. Even Atrix 2 is too long for my tastes.
Iphone size is nice, though I don't like the huge bezel at the top and bottom. Screen is better than shiny plastic, any day.
If there's absolutely nothing useful to a user in the OS upgrades because it's all already available, then why is Google wasting time developing them?
1. Some are available only because Google developed it e.g. keyboard.
2. Launchers get inspired by new UI enhancements and may provide similar features for earlier OS versions too.
3. Some are for technical users.
4. Some are for newer hardware features e.g. NFC and secondary camera.
5. Back-end code to take advantage of newer processor / GPU features for new phones
6. A freedom to progressively assume more RAM
5 and 6 are why OS upgrades for older phones at times screw up experience on older phones.
I suppose "civilized manner" is
Maybe lack of personal comments? F? Strawmen? Tone?
The new Razr seems interesting size wise to me.
Do you mean Motorola DROID RAZR XT912? It is HUGE - only thin. 13% longer than iPhone 4, 17% wider. Though 23% thinner too, but thickness IMO doesn't affect holdability and pocketability that much, as long as it is not too thick.
this is an example of what comes in an upgrade that some people might care about
Why would "some people" "care" about features that are already available to them through Android market?
Your other post doesn't make any point except to prove your own inability to discuss in a civilized manner, so I will skip it.
How come my N70 never got updated to S60v5?
1. Keyboard? Gingerbread keyboard is on the Market for Android 2.0 and above. Many other keyboards too.
2. UI? As you yourself agree later, no UI will satisfy everyone. So anyone on 2.2 has already found a launcher and theme for his own taste, and won't even notice the UI enhancements. For those who haven't, 2.2 UI is what they like and they may hate the 2.3 "enhancements".
3. Application and Power manager? Geeky stuff, whereas you insist in your other posts that this is for non-geek users? Anyway, alternate applications are available, and popular launchers do it in an integrated fashion.
4. SIP? For people interested in VOIP, skype is there. Difference between skype and "integrated" SIP is too geeky, and anyone who understands that would be able to root most Android devices.
5. Downloads folder. There are custom download managers on the Market.
So in spite of all your statements to the contrary, the "user features" of 2.3 are either too geeky or available for "everyone" from Market.
Ok, you got some model numbers in other replies. NOW, start with one of those and show an Apple laptop for comparable price. Same rules - match or exceed ALL specs, no excuses.
Then you will learn that 2 can play this game.
therefore you cannot say "Android is Open Source",
That's all I'm saying
No, you are saying many other things too, check your recent slashdot post history. Not to mention the things you are saying elsewhere / "elsehow" . You are a liar.
Which brings us to the point that in natural language processing, it is context that has a large impact on the meaning of any sentence. Can you point me to a public statement from Google where the context implied Android Honeycomb and Google said it is open source? All I can find is Google saying open-source in the context of phones , where all its Android OSes have been open source. Or its statements before HoneyComb was released.
Since when do "open source" software vendors try to prevent people from using their software in whatever manner they want?
Since a long long time. Apple, Oracle, Microsoft, are all "open source software vendors". And they all "prevent people from using their software in whatever manner they want".
Yes, the write hole statement only applies to lower level RAID. Still, since other reasons stand, RAID (even RAID-z) is an overkill for most home NAS devices.
In what way was Gandhi racist?
what home NAS needs 100.00% uptime?
True. Which is why, most home NAS servers shouldn't user RAID. RAID only gives you uptime (in addition to speed, but we are not discussing that, I guess).
Data security is much better in home NAS by file duplication in different disks. More flexible - really important files can reside on 4 hard disks, less important files can reside on only 2. RAID Write hole is also much more applicable to home NAS, which causes RAID to be riskier than JBOD. The chances of "rm -rf" , and data corruption are also higher here - RAID simply faithfully replicates the file removal / data corruption.
In short - since uptime is not important - avoid RAID.
Interesting. Can you tell me how closely the Launcher7 interface mimics WP7's? Important similarities and differences?
thanks
Not necessarily, you can opt out.
If you just turned the knob and didn't open the door
Well, to be really sure of the vulnerability, you would have to push just a little bit to show that not just the knob is turning, but door opens too. What if the lock (and latch) is designed in such a way that in some cases of wrong key, knob turns but door doesn't open?
Similarly, to be fully sure that personal information is accessible in this way, he would have to get the information. No way to prove vulnerability otherwise. E.g. maybe the web server allowed access but at database level there might be a VPD which will not give you the data?
So basically you are saying IBM and Pfizer do not exist.