Actually StarOffice is NOT free as in anything:) You have to pay for it and you also are forbidden to do things with it (like copying, installing on more than 1 computer, giving to friends etc )
However they support OpenOffice, which is Free (as in both:)
I did this with Win2k, and it had an extra, and pretty annoying step:) Type the license key (It was an enterprise key, but you still had to tupe it:) Thank god I'm out of that
>>Point 3 (Much) better support for mysql than postgreSQL in PHP. You can argue all you want that php isn't something you would like do develop with, but a whole lot of websites use it.
Actually, the support is pretty much the same, except the function names start with pg_:)
It used to be a pain to compile php with postgresql support but not anymore. Actually, even RH and Mandrake have it in rpms:)
The problem is that most OSS projects are too big for a classroom project (basically equivalent to a 2-week project in the real world; we have 12-14 weeks but the students have 5 or 6 things [classes,work] to do, and you usually need to teach them something before they can start with the project).
OK, just an example. My sister-in-law has never installed windows. She is afraid and always comes to me for help. She also has what amounts to an associates degree in CS !!
And the autodetect depends a lot on the hardware, and your luck (for example, I hooked up my brother's machine to my monitor to install; when they brought it home and hooked it up to their monitor (way crappier than mine) it didn't work. It took me about 2 hours to convince Win98 to work with that monitor (which BTW is a standard VGA monitor)
They are not an MS thing (at least not an MS-only or MS-first thing:) they were in Novell and VMS (and probably many others:) before. They are even available on Linux now !
C++ has templates, which implement generics. In C++ templates are limited only by what they use (so if a template function calls the foo method of its parameter, then the parameter has to be of a class that implements foo). This is more like Haskell or ML do when inferring typing (you can not restrict types either).
Now, how is what you mention in Eiffel different to not using templates and just declaring a normal parameter of class shape ?
Or even (this should work now in C++, but maybe the syntax is wrong:) typedef shape_array array;
Was that a joke or does it actually work ? I just tried it on my windows box (Win2k, IE 6) and didn't work (and I hate small fonts:)
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A few things (this is not a flame, your ideas seem reasonable enough:)
1. virtual In java (If I understand correctly) EVERY method is virtual. So you may not like the idea of non-virtual methods. They are there for performance. You can, of course, just declare all your methods virtual:)
2. Multiple inheritance is a more powerful mechanism, compared with interfaces. If you use pure-virtual classses, it can be equivalent to interfaces (although you can still attach some code), but it can do more.
The standard example is when you have 2 separate class hierarchies (sp?), and need to have a class that belongs to both. Say you have a GUI framework, and a persistence framework and want a persistent window:)
IF you had the code for both frameworks, you could probably change some things for interfaces.
My problem with interfaces is that they only pass type info, but no code; they make for a cleaner mechanism, but if you actually need to get code from 2 different classes you're screwed.
It may just be philosophical differences; I like the philosophy behind C++ (the programmer knows what (s)he wants to do, it's not the language's problem if they don't), and felt Java as taking things away because they're dangerous:)
3. Pointers/memory management It is nice to have garbage collection, and memory issues in C++ get to be more complicated. But you get more flexibility, performance and destructors:)
It's not that hard to mix pointers and instances most of the times. You would never delete an instance, of course, and very few times take the address of an instance (there are references in C++ now; it's not C). Also, you can use auto_ptr and all those goodies.
You know what's funny ? American companies do the same for other languages:)
I'm a native spanish speaker, living in the US for the last 6 years (so I speak decent english). Some manuals come in several languages, and I usually read the english instructions because the spanish translations is so bad:) (sometimes I read the spanish section to get a few good laughs:)
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actually, in spanish the male gender is ALSO the neutral. You would say 'la musica' for a female musician, 'el musico' for a male musician, and 'los musicos' for a set of musicians which may be male or female (you'd reserve 'las musicas' for a set of female musicians)
Not that anybody cares, and this is an old story anyway, but it seems to me Justice Scalia actually know math:); his? reasoning is OK. Say the kid has 75% of a normal chance per strike, and it should have 3x a normal chance (3 strikes); the kid needs 4 chances (4*.75=3 !)
Actually, in Mexico (and definitely not in Spain:)we do NOT have chili (well now we do, but it comes from the US), and we don't have grits (the closes thing would be atole or pozole, which are corn beverages).
I would assume the word chili comes from chile, which is spanish for peppers (does anybody knows?)
Is it stable ? In that case, I would really apreciate getting a copy.... Right now, I'm trying VNC client for windows and its X/Server for linux; it is a good product, and very stable, but it seems that a normal X/Win server would be better, but I hadn't been able to find one. Orlando
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Actually StarOffice is NOT free as in anything :) You have to pay for it and you also are forbidden to do things with it (like copying, installing on more than 1 computer, giving to friends etc )
:)
However they support OpenOffice, which is Free (as in both
I did this with Win2k, and it had an extra, and pretty annoying step :) Type the license key (It was an enterprise key, but you still had to tupe it :)
Thank god I'm out of that
Hey, the US is great, but health insurance is EXPENSIVE here. I pay more than $100/mo, plus whatever my employer pays (a lot).
If you try to buy as an individual, it will be $2-300/mo easily. Plus copayments, deductibles etc
Well, $400/wk is about 20K/yr. :) you should be making more than that after a few years.
Unless your chosen profession is flipping burgers
Hey, even now, a new college grad should be making more than that.
>>Point 3 (Much) better support for mysql than postgreSQL in PHP. You can argue all you want that php isn't something you would like do develop with, but a whole lot of websites use it.
:)
:)
Actually, the support is pretty much the same, except the function names start with pg_
It used to be a pain to compile php with postgresql support but not anymore. Actually, even RH and Mandrake have it in rpms
The problem is that most OSS projects are too big for a classroom project (basically equivalent to a 2-week project in the real world; we have 12-14 weeks but the students have 5 or 6 things [classes,work] to do, and you usually need to teach them something before they can start with the project).
:) (I'm a prof at SPSU)
At least that's my problem
OK, just an example. My sister-in-law has never installed windows. She is afraid and always comes to me for help. She also has what amounts to an associates degree in CS !!
And the autodetect depends a lot on the hardware, and your luck (for example, I hooked up my brother's machine to my monitor to install; when they brought it home and hooked it up to their monitor (way crappier than mine) it didn't work. It took me about 2 hours to convince Win98 to work with that monitor (which BTW is a standard VGA monitor)
They are not an MS thing (at least not an MS-only or MS-first thing :) they were in Novell and VMS (and probably many others :) before. They are even available on Linux now !
Correct me if I'm wrong ...
:)
C++ has templates, which implement generics. In C++ templates are limited only by what they use (so if a template function calls the foo method of its parameter, then the parameter has to be of a class that implements foo). This is more like Haskell or ML do when inferring typing (you can not restrict types either).
Now, how is what you mention in Eiffel different to not using templates and just declaring a normal parameter of class shape ?
Or even (this should work now in C++, but maybe the syntax is wrong
typedef shape_array array;
Doesn't copyright law attack the individual freedom of ALL OTHER individuals who cannot copy the thing ?
Was that a joke or does it actually work ? I just tried it on my windows box (Win2k, IE 6) and didn't work (and I hate small fonts :)
A few things (this is not a flame, your ideas seem reasonable enough :)
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1. virtual In java (If I understand correctly) EVERY method is virtual. So you may not like the idea of non-virtual methods. They are there for performance. You can, of course, just declare all your methods virtual
2. Multiple inheritance is a more powerful mechanism, compared with interfaces. If you use pure-virtual classses, it can be equivalent to interfaces (although you can still attach some code), but it can do more.
The standard example is when you have 2 separate class hierarchies (sp?), and need to have a class that belongs to both. Say you have a GUI framework, and a persistence framework and want a persistent window
IF you had the code for both frameworks, you could probably change some things for interfaces.
My problem with interfaces is that they only pass type info, but no code; they make for a cleaner mechanism, but if you actually need to get code from 2 different classes you're screwed.
It may just be philosophical differences; I like the philosophy behind C++ (the programmer knows what (s)he wants to do, it's not the language's problem if they don't), and felt Java as taking things away because they're dangerous
3. Pointers/memory management It is nice to have garbage collection, and memory issues in C++ get to be more complicated. But you get more flexibility, performance and destructors
It's not that hard to mix pointers and instances most of the times. You would never delete an instance, of course, and very few times take the address of an instance (there are references in C++ now; it's not C). Also, you can use auto_ptr and all those goodies.
You know what's funny ? American companies do the same for other languages :)
:) (sometimes I read the spanish section to get a few good laughs :)
I'm a native spanish speaker, living in the US for the last 6 years (so I speak decent english). Some manuals come in several languages, and I usually read the english instructions because the spanish translations is so bad
actually, in spanish the male gender is ALSO the neutral. You would say 'la musica' for a female musician, 'el musico' for a male musician, and 'los musicos' for a set of musicians which may be male or female (you'd reserve 'las musicas' for a set of female musicians)
Not that anybody cares, and this is an old story anyway, but it seems to me Justice Scalia actually know math :); his? reasoning is OK. Say the kid has 75% of a normal chance per strike, and it should have 3x a normal chance (3 strikes); the kid needs 4 chances (4*.75=3 !)
On a harder problem, there is a web server (and TCP/IP stack) written in ML (SML/NJ); you can find more info here
http://foxnet.cs.cmu.edu/HomePage.html
What about negating the bits, so blowing a fuse actually makes a 1 to be a 0 ? That way you could only go down by blowing fuses, right ??
They can *still* produce garbage. They only need to produce *always* the same kind of garbage, with great accuracy.
Both CMM and ISO9K measure quality of the *process*, not the product.
I would assume the word chili comes from chile, which is spanish for peppers (does anybody knows?)
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Is it stable ? In that case, I would really apreciate getting a copy .... Right now, I'm trying VNC client for windows and its X/Server for linux; it is a good product, and very stable, but it seems that a normal X/Win server would be better, but I hadn't been able to find one. Orlando
the appropriate URL is: http://www.experts-exchange.com/ I think Orlando