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Helix Code Changes Name To Ximian

Ambrosius27 was one of a number of people who has sent the word that Helix Gnome is nada mas. It's now....Ximian - they've even got a name-change FAQ and everything.

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  1. Re:so what happens to solaris? by reh187 · · Score: 1
    I sit corrected... Its a "Desktop Environment"

    http://www.helixcode.com/desktop

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  2. Re:Ximian?! by carlos_benj · · Score: 1
    So they've renamed their company to, "Monkey." But not really Monkey, because it's not Simian, it's Ximian. And why Ximian over Zimian? Because X's are cool.

    Not just because X's are cool. These aren't ordinary monxeys, but X-monxeys - genetically superior and posessing incredible powers.

    Beaux No-Beaux: Able to play "She loves me, She loves me not" without a flower!

    Eve Olution: Able to see far beyond what mere mortal monxeys can. This gives her a better Outlook on things.

    G. Num Eric: Mathematical skills that are uncanny. Has been known to recalculate the impact of actions involving many variables. The rest of the team looks to him for quick decisions. He has a penchant for stupid names that often overrides his precision logic. This is his only weakness.

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  3. Re:Crappy by psergiu · · Score: 2

    Bad move indeed, at a software company i used to work for, the PHB's decided to switch everything to M$ because "i read in the paper that borland went bankrupted or something, they got buyed by some company named Inside or something similar, and we won't get any support or new versions from a bankrupt company".
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  4. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by afc · · Score: 1
    Compare that to a company that takes their employees seriously such as, let's say, Andersen Consulting (no really, bear with me for a moment) where practically everybody is a vice-president, does no real important job, and is paid peanuts. Now don't even get me started about how seriously they take their customers!

    Really. Like BlueDraco says, job titles are meaningless, and the more pompous they sound the more certain you can be that the job stinks.
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  5. Crap Code, Inc. is still free ;-) by Pflipp · · Score: 2

    Well, I'd like to have them named Crap Code, Inc. It will probably never cause trademark problems.

    And no no no no no this is not because I think they suck, I use Helix Code all the time. It's just that I could see the humor of a "guaranteed trademark-free" name like Crap Code, Inc. and I think the name of Ximian is even more of an insult to the Good Stuff they write.

    So H.C.: I'll give you 3 months time to pick up the name, with no response I might just start using it myself ;-)

    It's... It's...

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  6. Re:And this Really dances off your fingers! by eric17 · · Score: 1

    Most of us have been using these things called "Bookmarks" for oh some time now.

  7. Re:Related story by cxreg · · Score: 1

    SmithKline Beecham is actually now known as GlaxoSmithKline following their merger with Glaxo Wellcome

  8. Re:ne1 seen an audio file around with pronounciati by Hard_Code · · Score: 2

    English is the the promiscuous Y chromosome of languages...all sorts of cruft accumulates in it... ;)

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  9. Ximian? by mholve · · Score: 1




    Bad monkey!


    1. Re:Ximian? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Does make you think of a thousand monkeys, working at a thousand Xterms, doesn't it?

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    2. Re:Ximian? by Grifter · · Score: 1

      haha, good one... I agree this name sucks, but they wanted to make sure about copyright stuff and trademarking. I hate the name, but I will still use their stuff!

  10. Re:The name change. by bobzill · · Score: 1
    Interesting... Miguel is not even sure of the name change!? His Slashdot information still links to http://primates.helixcode.com/~miguel/

    Someone may want to tell him his company changed names! :)

    -Bob Zill
    My very first Slashdot post!

  11. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 2

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  12. Re:Hm. by Kishar · · Score: 1

    s/French/Latin/

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  13. OMG! GNOME by Kohath · · Score: 5

    Gnome's
    Now
    Owned by
    Monkey
    Enthusiasts!

    1. Re:OMG! GNOME by >:^D · · Score: 1

      Gnome's
      Nearly
      Over
      Miguel's
      Ego.
      Werd.

  14. Ximian?! by RoninM · · Score: 1
    So they've renamed their company to, "Monkey." But not really Monkey, because it's not Simian, it's Ximian. And why Ximian over Zimian? Because X's are cool. HelixCode is a good name. Certainly better than Ximian. Ximian reminds me of Verizon, which reminds me of Barbizon. So, great, they get stronger trademark claims out of Ximian. They also get people saying, "Huh?" when they first see Ximian. I would have honestly preferred "Home & Garden Gnome" over Ximian.

    Did they contact Namix? Should they have?

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    1. Re:Ximian?! by RoninM · · Score: 1
      could it be er The X Windowing System

      Or maybe it runx on UNIX! Or... Well, I perxonally uxe xawfixh, xo maybe you're right. But it xeemx to me that GTK+ ixn't bound to Xlib. Expecially xince it runx on Win32, BeOX, and the Linux framebuffer. But maybe I'm wrong.

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    2. Re:Ximian?! by DrSkwid · · Score: 1

      And why Ximian over Zimian? Because X's are cool. could it be er The X Windowing System
      .oO0Oo.

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  15. They named it after an ape... by SparkyMartin · · Score: 1
    with a big schlong and invulverable balls! And I quote:

    "The genitalia of the Ximian red ape is quite visible between its legs, but don't attempt to disable it with a strike to that region. It has almost no nerve endings in its genitals, which additionally allows the red ape to make love for hours without orgasming. Instead, aim your blow for the sharp bone ridge above its eyes; the sonar organ located therein will ring with the force of your blow for many minutes, stunning the creature."

  16. Ted Nancy, Anyone? by suwain_2 · · Score: 1
    Anyone ever read any of the Ted Nancy books? (Gimme a minute, this *is* related to the topic at hand.) He writes a bunch of crazy letters to people and companies. They range from dumb to silly to just plain scary.

    One of the stranger ones (in his first book; his second two books are exponentially funnier) was a letter to Shasta Soda about how he heard that they were changing their name to "Laarksvard's Hot Cream." (He also wrote to the Taj Mahal, saying that he heard they were being converted into a Staples Office Supply Chain Store...)

    When I read this, all I could think of was "Shasta" and "Laarksvard's Hot Cream"...

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    1. Re:Ted Nancy, Anyone? by drix · · Score: 2

      Ted Nancy was Jerry Seinfeld. How this is topical I know not.

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  17. Is it just me or by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    is there one guy out there, with some massive speech impediment who keeps coming up with these dumb-ass tech names:

    Agilent
    Itanium
    Duron
    Ximian

    He must be stopped...

    1. Re:Is it just me or by >:^D · · Score: 1
      Naming companies must free-base their weed to come up with
      those retarded assed names.

      I always thought renaming was a sure sign the company is
      either on its last legs or hiding some past fuck-up: e.g.:

      • Verizon
      • Zelerate
      • MarchFirst
      • Emilio Estevez

      Either way, Ximian is just plain dumb.
    2. Re:Is it just me or by PsychoSpunk · · Score: 1
      The majority tried to stop him, but the courts let him run the country anyway.

      From the local "alternative" paper: Bushisms

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  18. Re:They can't pronounce they're own name! by suwain_2 · · Score: 1
    The best way to accelerate a windows box is at 9.8 meters per second square.

    Love your autosig!

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  19. Propagate THAT locally! by dmorin · · Score: 2
    $ which helix-update
    /usr/bin/helix-update
    $ which ximian-update
    ximian-update: Command not found

    Ok, NOW what? :)

  20. Re:Wow by McKing · · Score: 1

    or Lucent,
    or iBiblio,
    or Agilent,

    or any of the other "funky, trademarkable names" (translation: stupid, annoying, meaningless) that a lot of big companies have changed their name to over the last few years....

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  21. Re:There is an evil naming mastermind behind this! by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

    Big corporations blow millions and millions paying hipsters to come up with these rubbish words. It's insane.

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  22. Ximian ? by gordzilla · · Score: 1

    Does this mean that if I order the CDROM, version I'll get a "Barrel full'o'monkeys" game too?

  23. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by PD · · Score: 2

    When you apply for your free COMDEX pass, put your job title down as Redshirt, grunt, slave, meathead, Anonymous Coward, Karma Whore, or Peon. There's something fun about walking around a convention with a badge that reads

    Patrick Draper
    IBM
    Galley Slave/Rower

  24. Re:Could be worse: Syzgzy? Ibiblio? by kurisudes · · Score: 1

    that's tianamin...not spelled like that but then I can't type chinese characters...Only Japanese

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  25. last resort by delpreston · · Score: 1

    what's wrong boys lame.com was already taken?

  26. Re:Could be worse: Syzgzy? Ibiblio? by grammar+nazi · · Score: 3
    If you do a google search on ximian then you come up with the following funny link...
    Some important lessons for you
    ... The genitalia of the Ximian red ape is quite visible between its legs, but don't attempt to disable it with a strike to that region. It has almost no nerve ...
    www.armory.com/~crisper/Fiction/lessons.html - 15k

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  27. yikes by Snuffub · · Score: 1

    I know the asian kung-fu knock off movies are in style right now, but am i the only one asking how the hell do you pronounce that???

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    1. Re:yikes by Coward,+Anonymous · · Score: 3

      am i the only one asking how the hell do you pronounce that???

      Assuming everyone else has read the FAQ, yes you are the only one.

    2. Re:yikes by isil · · Score: 1

      simian
      sim-ee-en
      (as in the monkey logo)

    3. Re:yikes by afc · · Score: 2
      What does that name have to do with kung fu?

      I mean, even if you haven't read the FAQ, it's pretty obvious that this is yet another pun on their favourite simian theme (cf bonobo etc).

      And lastly, please Taco, take some lessons in Spanish, because that line was really embarassing.
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  28. Re:The name change. by gibodean · · Score: 1

    That's a sure way to make sure that the domain name that you want has just been snapped up by someone else.

    When you want to change your name, you first see what www.???.com isn't taken, and then use that. If you tell people your new name before you register your ???, then it won't be available any more.

    Sad fact of life that the internet is full of arsehole squatters.

  29. and evolution is being renamed... by toppk · · Score: 1

    bahnaneh

  30. so what happens to solaris? by reh187 · · Score: 2

    I thought that Solaris was going to put Helix Gnome as one of their main X window managers? Is that still on??? Will it now be "Solaris shipped with Ximian"???

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    1. Re:so what happens to solaris? by grammar+nazi · · Score: 1
      take it from the grammar nazi...

      XINAWM= Xena, Warrier Mistress

      Lucy Lawless! aaaah...

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    2. Re:so what happens to solaris? by Darchmare · · Score: 2

      Nothing else changing, eh? So Solaris is still going to bundle HelixCode Gnome?

      That must suck for Ximian, now that they have their own 'Ximian Gnome'.

      :>

      Sorry. Just being a pedantic geek. Obviously, at the minimum a search and replace of all instances of 'Helix Code' are in order.

      (for the record, I liked the old name much better. oh well)

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    3. Re:so what happens to solaris? by socratic+method · · Score: 1
      I thought that Solaris was going to put Helix Gnome as one of their main X window managers? Is that still on??? Will it now be "Solaris shipped with Ximian"???

      So... let's check that FAQs file:

      Has anything else changed?
      No.

      Oh yeah, XINAWM.
      (Ximian Is Not A Window Manager)

  31. follow-up by grammar+nazi · · Score: 3
    I'm sorry to reply to my own comment, but this is too funny. From the site mentioned in my previous post...
    The genitalia of the Ximian red ape is quite visible between its legs, but don't attempt to disable it with a strike to that region. It has almost no nerve endings in its genitals, which additionally allows the red ape to make love for hours without orgasming. Instead, aim your blow for the sharp bone ridge above its eyes; the sonar organ located therein will ring with the force of your blow for many minutes, stunning the creature.
    Will Helix^H^H^H Ximian Gnome allow me to make love for hours without orgasming? Try to picture a little Krynn gnome with bright red genitalia between his legs! ...wait, don't!
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  32. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by cezarg · · Score: 1

    You misunderstood. I'm AGAINST inflated job titles. But I'm also against ridiculous job titles because they're just an evolution of the inflated ones. I'm glad my employer just brands me a "Programmer".

  33. The Real Reason Behind the Change by Sheeple+Police · · Score: 4
    As we all know, the coding is being done by a thousand monkeys on a thousand typewriters. Feeling that they were being strongly misrepresented by the name Helix (which evoked images of a certain black cat during market analysis), they staged a revolt, flinging their feces in broad arcs throughout the air. In order to prevent the monkeys from being bought out by Microsoft (as their fecal flinging abilities are what Microsoft values in an employee), the Helix team instituted a name change to Ximian.

    Don't believe me? Read between the lines here:
    How do you say Ximian? ZIM-ee-un, to rhyme with "simian."


    See? No further proof needed.
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    1. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by cezarg · · Score: 1
      I'd rather be called a 'Rocket Scientist' instead of a 'Chief Systems Officer' any day...

      So would I. But a Rocket Scientist is a proper job title (unless you're not working with rockets). But I'd MUCH rather be called a "Chief Systems Officer" than a "Propeller head" for example.

      Real job titles are never pompous. That's why I call them "real". Otherwise they should be called pompous or ridiculous accordingly.

    2. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by waynem77 · · Score: 1
      Real job titles are never pompous.

      At a job I held for several years, my official title was "The Computer Guy". I don't know about pompousness, but it was really pretty accurate.

    3. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by BlueDraco · · Score: 1

      Job Title's shouldn't mean anything. If your job title means that you don't care then you I think there is a serious reality issue here. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think you are over reacting.

    4. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by cezarg · · Score: 2
      Ian Peters
      Infinite Monkey

      That's sad actually. This funky titles trend is getting progressively more iritating. It all began with dotcoms giving their imployees "amusing" job titles in lieu of decent salaries. I hope this trend will die with the demise of the dotcom "culture" because it indicates the companies don't take their staff seriously. This raises my concern that they don't take their customers seriously either. It also makes it difficult to figure out who you're actually dealing with when you're in a discussion with a "packet pusher" (sysadmin, network technician or a tcp/ip developer?). Go to your manager and demand a normal, "boring" job title along with a raise. Just giving some free advice as a friend.

    5. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by alprazolam · · Score: 1

      mmm engineer I. in a few years....engineer II. someday, maybe, senior engineer. very useful. lets people know which decade i was born in (+/- 1.5)

    6. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by rmull · · Score: 1

      That's an infinite number of bonobo's, isn't it?

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    7. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by Sheeple+Police · · Score: 1

      You're right. I'm only as funny as the voices tell me I am. But the voices never lie. Do we?

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    8. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by itp · · Score: 5

      Heh, your theory dovetails nicely with the fact that my business cards all read:

      Ian Peters
      Infinite Monkey

      Just to add fuel to the fire...

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    9. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by CoolVibe · · Score: 1
      What about all that Chief Officer bullshit most other companies have then? Now *that* is really sad...

      I'd rather be called a 'Rocket Scientist' instead of a 'Chief Systems Officer' any day...
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    10. Re:The Real Reason Behind the Change by NonSequor · · Score: 1
      Infinite Monkey doesn't quite make sense. Infinite how? Infinitely large? I suppose that you mean one among an infinitely large group of monkeys. Or do you mean that you possess all of the same qualities as an infinite number of monkeys somehow compressed into a single monkey? My head is spinning.


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  34. Surprising facts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I tried to search for Ximian with Google. Here's one of the results:

    "... The genitalia of the Ximian red ape is quite visible between its legs, but don't attempt to disable it with a strike to that region. It has almost no nerve endings in its genitals, which additionally allows the red ape to make love for hours without orgasming. Instead, aim your blow for the sharp bone ridge above its eyes; the sonar organ located therein will ring with the force of your blow for many minutes, stunning the creature. ..."

    http://www.armory.com/~crisper/Fiction/lessons.h tm l

    1. Re:Surprising facts by BlowCat · · Score: 4
      It has almost no nerve endings in its genitals, which additionally allows the red ape to make love for hours without orgasming.

      It also allows the red ape to develop software for years without delivering a stable version.

  35. Re:Wow by VValdo · · Score: 2

    This is the kind of thing that happens when every damn domain name has been taken already.

    Ximian. Great. Not be confused with the similarly spelled but equally meaningless Ximean, Ximeon, and Ximien. (quick, go grab those TLDs before some other bastard does).

    We're really winning some "linux is easy" converts with that one.

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  36. Re:another t-shirt in the history of techdom by Twilight1 · · Score: 1

    Hey, sounds like a soda-pop marketing strategy...

    First we change our name... and everyone rushes out to by new tees... then because everyone complains about the new name... we'll switch back to the old name and everyone will rush out and buy new tees and hail us for going back...

    "Helix Classic"

  37. Re:It just the first step... by sharkey · · Score: 3

    Followed immediately by Cro-Mag-Gnome.

    Don't bother booing. I just cut my own ears off to teach myself a lesson for that, and I won't be able to hear.

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  38. In Chinese this means... by ehiggins · · Score: 1

    Western bread! WTF???

    Ummm, now it all makes sense doesn't it? ;-|

    Earl

    1. Re:In Chinese this means... by Non-Newtonian+Fluid · · Score: 2

      Probably western side / face is a more coherent translation, not that that makes any sense either when applied to Gnome....

  39. Shameless attention getter. by Gendou · · Score: 2
    I read the FAQ, but I don't quite see what the point was. First of all, 'Helix Code' was a much cooler name. Second of all, what have they done lately that's ground shaking? Not a whole lot. I think this name change is simply to draw attention to themselves (and away from KDE?). This is a poor way to clear out the cobwebs and it mostly adds confusion.

    From the FAQ...
    Has anything else changed?
    No

  40. It Xucks. by grytpype · · Score: 1

    See subject.

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  41. FAQ? by Dan+D. · · Score: 1

    From the FAQ: Can I get a new monkey that says Ximian.com?

    I'm fairly certain this question did NOT enter MY mind when I thought "Oh Helix Code is changing their name?"

    In fact, I'd like to know who DOES think this sort of thing? And why they're asking it frequently. And more importantantly what the heck are they doing with the OLD monkey?

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  42. Re:It just the first step... by jensend · · Score: 1

    Sorry. For future reference, I'll remember not to post when I'm dead tired- I may say some odd things in such a state.

  43. Re:Where it's coming from? by afc · · Score: 1

    To me it looks like they just want protect themselves from another future round of "cease and desist" letters. Don't go looking for conspiratory theories where none can be found. The sky is not falling.
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  44. Re:Wow by The+Troll+Catcher · · Score: 1

    Hey... from what I've heard from conspiracy theorists "Lucent" stands for "Lucifer Enterprises" - i.e. they're a bunch of devil worshipers :).

    But iBiblio really DOES mean something - 'Biblio' as in 'book', in other words "online library" (which it pretty much is).

  45. Monkey see, Monkey do by jo42 · · Score: 1

    Someone please start up a site called "www.f*ckedproductnames.com".

  46. haha by aok · · Score: 1

    I was thinking something in between both of your's...Western Noodles :)

  47. Re:There is an evil naming mastermind behind this! by Sharks · · Score: 1

    Here it is:

    http://www.lexicon-branding.com/

    You should really check out the different things they claim for naming, such as the Swiffer, the name Pentium for Intel's processors...

  48. Re:Wow by tigert · · Score: 1

    Believe me, "Helix Code" was just as weird at first..

    A name just gets a meaning from things that are associated with it, it is just a "label" for a group of things. Ximian is pretty ok, it could be a lot worse, like gWhiz or something :o)

  49. Re:It just the first step... by jensend · · Score: 1

    Well, the evolution of Evolution is unfortunately still hosted at Eazel, so their evolution is no Evolution. Ximian is an odd name, and I think Neanderthal Gnome might be better- after all, Neanterthals actually were stronger and had a slightly larger brain capacity than modern Homo Sapiens Sapiens, so perhaps the interface will be more intelligent than that of some early bacteria or primate.

    Good luck to all involved in the Gnome/GTK+ efforts, no matter what they call themselves.

  50. Re:Where it's coming from? by Darchmare · · Score: 3

    What they're saying is that they are a guaranteed source for verified, certified, known-good code. That is, to distinguish themselves from any potential forking going on. That's the business model.

    Makes sense to me, regardless of how cool 'Helix Code' sounded and how dumb the new name sounds.

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  51. From the "I-just-made-it-up" file by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Ximian - (noun): A monkey that has drunk way to much "ZIMA." Usually followed by an urp-Xplat, which is the normal offspring of drinking more than one "ZIMA."

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  52. Why? by Mr_Person · · Score: 1

    It said in the FAQ that the reason they changed the name was to provide "trademark protection". Why not just trademark the, IMHO much better sounding, Helix Code name?

    I think that it would be much easier to get people that have never used Linux to use something that says Helix Code than something that says Ximian. I mean, I can relate to Helix Code - I've heard of Helix (Double Helix DNA stuff) and I've heard of Code (Programming, Cyrptographic, whatever), but Ximian?? I had to double check the webpage to make sure I spelled it right! Are they sure they made the right move on this?
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  53. 80's computer game? by collar · · Score: 1

    I dont know about anyone else, but Ximian sounds like an 80's computer game to me.

    I can see a whole lot of emu freaks going "hmmmm, Ximian, yeah I remember that one! you had to shoot stuff or something, damn, that is one huge ROM"

  54. Name collision by SimplyCosmic · · Score: 5
    Well, a quick search of the U.S. Trademark Electronic Search System pops up with around 184 matches with the term "Helix", including a slew of "Helix Technology" varients.

    Still, "Ximian"? Yikes.

  55. Re:Who owned Helix trademark? by evil_roy · · Score: 1

    first guess - Shell . Helix is motor oil.

  56. Re:It just the first step... by lostguy · · Score: 1

    You'll need to drive screws into the sides of your head, then, to keep your glasses from falling off.

  57. Re:maybe... by alprazolam · · Score: 1

    but then people will start just calling it "the gnome". it won't be too much of a problem though, because 2 years after that nobody would talk about it at all.

  58. In other news ... by Broccolist · · Score: 2

    The chief spokes-monkey declared the official communications protocol of Ximian to be the Infinite Monkey Protocol Suite. He then screeched, beat his chest and threatened to pelt feces at users of inferior protocols like SMTP.

  59. Re:Who owned Helix trademark? by wmaheriv · · Score: 1

    MicroCADAM Inc. As in MicroCADAM Helix Design System. It's a CAD/CAM suite, and a very poor one at that! *grin* They've recently withdrawn from the North American market, but they still have a substantial instaled base and many international customers.
    ~wmaheriv

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  60. Good name for a Semiconductor Company? by Stephen+Chadfield · · Score: 1

    The company I work for has recently sold its Systems business along with the company name (Mitel) to a company owned by one of Mitel's original co-founders.

    Those of us who work in the semiconductor side of the business await our renaming with trepidation.

    If you owned a semiconductor company what would you call it?

    1. Re:Good name for a Semiconductor Company? by BlowCat · · Score: 1

      How about Crystal Hardware?
      crystalhardware.com is still available.

    2. Re:Good name for a Semiconductor Company? by Croaker · · Score: 2

      Hmm... smartsand?

  61. Ximian? by Rainy · · Score: 1

    Ximian, right?
    Heh.. what do they call *you*, 'wheels'?
    This is the stupidest thing I ever heard.
    Gnome. Wanna get out of my way?
    - It's been 15 years, traveling from place to place, hasn't it?
    What is this place??

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  62. What's with all the negativity? by Coryoth · · Score: 1

    Is it something to do with the apparent inability some of these people seem to have with pronouncing Ximian? Simian with a 'Z' sound instead of an 'S'. Surely not that hard.

    Is it possibly because they somehow completely miss the simian connection? (Which again, I thought was pretty clear).

    Sorry, but it seems like a perfectly good name to me. It has the guts of the company theme (monkey mascot/evolution etc.) and it's simple and easy to remember (providing you speak english, and have encountered the word simian at some point in your life).

    What's with the necessity to criticise everything?

    Jedidiah

  63. Crappy by Jimmy1024 · · Score: 1

    Example:

    Borland - well known for its development tools - drops a few million on a bunch of otherwise unemployable English majors in an attempt to find a new name... hoping, for some bizarre reason, that this will change everything. The sun will shine again, Microsoft will be so blinded by the bright light of the "NEW NAME" that it will immediately give up and hand the development tool market back to "NEW NAME". Of course, the stupid fuckheads running Borland forgot one thing: Everyone knew Borland, and many people still had fond memories of the quality software - something they had obviously forgotten about when spending fortunes on picking names.

    Spin on a little, and the language graduates return. And lo, they had spent months nonchalantly flicking through dictionaries, until finally one of them came up with:

    INPRISE

    A combination of INnovation and enterPRISE. Fucking cunts.

    Even now Inprise will not completely dump this unbelievably stupid name because some manager would lose face.

    And now a company with a seriously cool name (and product) makes a similar mistake in forgetting that IT'S THE CODE AND REPUTATION THAT REALLY MATTERS. I can only hope that you guys didn't pay anyone to come up with Ximian, 'cause frankly... it's shite.

  64. Re:What's Up With Name Changes? by barooo · · Score: 1

    Glad I didn't take that job with AC. Accenture is a lame name. But their CEO is right up there with Ransome Love for "coolest name in an exec", Joe W. Forehand.
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  65. Re:maybe... by armb · · Score: 1

    > reality is the only word in the english language that should ALWAYS be written in quotes
    Shouldn't that be "reality" is the only word in the english language that should ALWAYS be written in quotes ?
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  66. Screws by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Just call me "Frank."

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  67. Re:The name change. by cesarcardoso · · Score: 1

    C'mon Miguel! Ximian sux. Bad name. Ximian!

    Are all good names in the world taken? Zoot, Potato, Ximian...

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  68. Re:Hmm... by CNPOS · · Score: 1

    Actually, I'd call something a work of my own after I had sat down and created it, just as Miguel has done. Thanks for playing though, jackass.

  69. Now what do I do with... by elefantstn · · Score: 1

    ...my Helix Code monkey?!

    Signed,
    Miffed Gnome User

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  70. ne1 seen an audio file around with pronounciation? by quam · · Score: 1

    for the life of me, I can't pronounce "Ximian." Help, need assistance.

  71. Re:Wow by /dev/kev · · Score: 1

    The same genius who came up with Xinerama?

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  72. Re:Who owned Helix trademark? by FreeMath · · Score: 2
    I thought a trademark was localized to a specific trade, but corporate America is screwed up.

    It probably has something to do with Helix Educational Software.

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  73. And this Really dances off your fingers! by lurking · · Score: 1

    As if helixcode wasnt a bitch to type out as a URL... Now how the hell am I gonna remember this?????

  74. You Know... by $DollarMan$ · · Score: 1

    I'd buy a Ximian for a dollar.

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  75. Re:Ugh! by peterarm · · Score: 1

    "Someone should spike Britney et al with a few drops of acid and see what their next single sounds like." Oops the walls are melting again?

  76. Re:What the by On+Lawn · · Score: 1

    its one thing to point to facts that discredit a post and say that. Its outright bizarre to point to a site that proves the point, but still disagree.

    Read the bottom line

  77. Re:What the fuck are you mumbling? by On+Lawn · · Score: 1

    oh I get it...

    Bush 2000 got more votes then Clinton 1992. Does that help?

  78. Re: demos crews had better names by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    all those early 90s demo crews had cooler names

    razor1911, supplex, mohoney and cactus etc... they rocked.

  79. Duh by brandonj · · Score: 1

    The worst part of this is that I can't remember the stupid name, let alone pronounce it. Everytime I wanted to go to it today, I had to go to /. just to get the name... and how the heck do you SPELL it?!
    -Brandon

  80. I've got one word for you... by Riplakish · · Score: 2

    Inprise.

    Everybody remember when Borland changed their name to this? Everybody remember how stupid it was? What's their name now?

    Yeah.

  81. Re:Read it backwards by ChodaBoy · · Score: 1

    Go with the second one ;-)

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  82. Re:Related story by cxreg · · Score: 1

    I know, my dad is one of them

  83. Coincidence.... by spankenstein · · Score: 2

    Let's hope this doesn't go the way of OpenSales after they changed their name to something strange (Zelerate).

  84. helix-update? by MicroBerto · · Score: 2

    I really wish they'd stop wasting time on ridiculous things like this, and update some of the packages that they originally released with helixcode.

    Mike Roberto
    - GAIM: MicroBerto

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  85. Re:Hmm....just a thought.... by PurpleBob · · Score: 2

    Uh. Helix Gnome has been the _only_ version of Gnome in Debian for months.
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  86. Reason for the name change by elefantstn · · Score: 1

    A lot of people (including me) have lamented the name change from the cool-sounding Helix Code, but look at this from the FAQ:

    We've changed our name to Ximian to provide trademark protection for our work. While our software is open source, and we encourage you to share and redistribute it, trademark protection means that you know where your software is coming from.

    I guess since Helix Code is a scientific term, it's not trademarkable. Too bad, I liked it.

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  87. trademark abusers by Skeptopotamus · · Score: 1
    Just what we need..more trademark abusers.

    I really had high hopes for Helix Code making the Linux desktop as easy to use as Windows, but I'm not going to use it if the people behind the project pull this kind of crap.

    You've lost at least one software sale from me, Ximian!!!

  88. Re:x? by crazney · · Score: 1
    thats right, im using a zz windows system. think its only if followed by a vowle, but im a tech dude, not a linguistic

    "Who is General Failure and why is he reading my hard disk ?"

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  89. What's Up With Name Changes? by istartedi · · Score: 2

    There seems to be a lot of sucky name changing going on lately. Ximian??? What's that? A monkey that knows how to run a photocopier? This is almost as bad as the one Andersen Consulting did. Now they're... umm... see? It's really bad and I can't even remember it.

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  90. yikes by Micah · · Score: 1

    And I thought Borland -> Inprise was bad...

  91. Whatever.. by X-Dopple · · Score: 1

    I don't care what the hell Helix Code calls itself. If it calls itself MicroHard (tm), I'll still call it Helix Code. If it suddenly decides to change markets and become a pr0n site, I'll still call it Helix Code

    :P

  92. maybe... by unformed · · Score: 4

    they should pick a funky little symbol, and change their name to "The Gnome Previously Known As Helix"
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  93. Who owned Helix trademark? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    And when?

  94. The old name by KeyShark · · Score: 1

    I like the name helix better. I'm surprised they aren't changing there logo also

  95. Re:ne1 seen an audio file around with pronounciati by phil+reed · · Score: 2

    Apparently, it's "zimm-eee-ann". Accent on the ZIM.


    ...phil

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  96. Ximian? by sharkey · · Score: 1

    Why is it that the first thing that popped into my head was "Itanium?"

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  97. Re: demos crews had better names by exa · · Score: 1

    not that we had perfect imagination :) my faves: complex, fairlight, razor1911, andromeda... and all the great crews. once we (bronx) released a discmag called "Auschwitz" and flamed badly for doing nazi propoganda. I'm still not sure why we'd picked that name :)

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  98. It just the first step... by OO7david · · Score: 1

    ...in their evelution. They went from just a couple of helixes to simians. The next thing we know, we'll have Neanderthal GNOME.

    1. Re:It just the first step... by fejjie · · Score: 1

      Where do you get your crack? Evolution has never been hosted by Eazel. Wtf?

  99. Why not other variations of Helix? by PRR · · Score: 1

    I've been using the Helix desktop for a while, and really like it, and respect the work these guys have done. But Ximian is such a bad name!

    Wouldn't it be possible to use some other variation of Helix such as "HelixTech" or "HelixSoft" or heck, even "Helux" ??

  100. x? by fifthcent · · Score: 1

    x is pronounced like a zz sound isn't it? i don't about this, i like the old name better.

    when you told people you use helix code, they'd be thinking... oh, that sounds complicated and scientific, and yet somehow fascinating...
    so now when you tell them your using ximian, they'd be like... what the hell are you talking about?
    oh well

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  101. Re:Wow by /dev/kev · · Score: 1

    Nar, just noting the similarities in the names, that's all. Hell, after my comment I checked out the HOWTO again to see if I could have a shot at it now that I've bothered to go to XF4. :)

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  102. Re:Related story by sammy+baby · · Score: 2

    Poop. You know, I forgot about that. That's exactly the sort of shoddy fact-checking that's gonna get me fired one of these days.

    (Actually, SKB/GSK is a huge employer of tech folks in this area of PA. I really should know this.)

  103. Re:Hmm....just a thought.... by evand · · Score: 3

    Uh, no. GNOME 1.2 has been/is the version of GNOME in woody/sid. Helix GNOME is based on GNOME 1.2, hence your confusion.

  104. home & garden gnome -- good name! by simonwagstaff · · Score: 1

    That's actually sort of a nice, off-beat, off-kilter, etc etc. name.

    Ximian? Lunacy. Sheer Lunacy. Ximian would be a bad name *anyway* (sounds a little like perhaps a gaming company, maybe it would work for that), but "Helix Code" was the greatest name in recent computer industry history! Helix Code embodied many cool things -- good logo, clever word play which extended into the name of the product Evolution ...

    Ximian? "Hi. We're apelike, but we can't spell. Would you like us to install some software for you? No. Yes, of course we're serious."

    Oh well.

    I hope they do well, I do I do I do! But whoever thought of that name needs to atone publically for it. Miguel, please say you were sleeping at this meeting, or in the bathroom or something ...

    simon

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  105. It's a get rich quick scheme!!!! by Rahga · · Score: 2

    Go to ebay.com . Click on the "Antiques" category, then the "economic fallout" subcategory, and click on "dotcom clearing house". There will be approximately 2,938,032,238 belly-up dotcoms there. Search for "open" AND "source" AND "helix" AND "code" AND "linux" and "GNOME" to narrow the choices down to approximately 2,300,323,232. From there, click on the "mascots" drop-down menu, scroll down through "jumping man" "happy runner" "skydiver" and so on, and about 281 scrolled pages through, between "monsters" and "gazelle" should be a selection titled "spidermonkey". Double click that, then click on the 543rd item on the following page. Here, you will be able to buy helixcode's old domain name and identification. Read the fine print, because in doing so you will learn that the only assets you gain are the domain name and company identification, and you will be assuming all of helixcode's tax burden for the year 2000.

  106. Update... by passion · · Score: 2

    ...this just in: we've spoken Miguel de Icaza personally who has denied this vicuous hoax. Reportedly, Helix will continue to be the name, they didn't really mean it.

    translation: the slashdot audience hates the name, we can just claim it a hoax and keep the old name.... keep thinking of a better one.

    Or, is this just to compete with Xaero - upon startx the little monkey will do a backflip and shoot you with his rail gun....

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  107. Re:Wow by saintlupus · · Score: 1

    What genius thought of that?

    the same one that came up with "verizon," i bet.

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  108. Helix Move; Helix Vista; Helix Tea; Helix Width... by quam · · Score: 1

    Helix Move; Helix Vista; Helix Tea; Helix Width; Helix Pop; Helix Align; Helix Open; Helix Order; Helix Visual; Helix Range; Helix Power; Helix Bone; Helix Eve; Helix Desk; Helix Build...

    Any of the above would have to be unique and distinctive because the combination of "Helix" and any other term would be sufficient to avoid confusion with other current trademarks. Moreover, Helix and another term would not result in a dilution dispute because no trademark with the term 'Helix' is famous and distinctive. For these reasons, the Helix Code attorney may have went to the extreme.

  109. Hm. by arseonick · · Score: 1

    Anyone notice a trend with these name changes? They get less and less pronouncable with each iteration.

    Examples:

    DivX (pronouncable) -> 3ivX (WHAT THE HELL?)

    Sunsite (pronouncable) -> Metalab (pronouncable) -> ibiblio (Eye Bible Oh? Eye Bibley-Oooh? Ih Bible Oh?)

    Helix (pronouncable, even sounds cool) -> Ximian (only thing I can think of is monkeys)

    1. Re:Hm. by scromp · · Score: 1

      'biblio' is French for 'library'. "bib' lee oh"

  110. But I LIKED Helix... by zCyl · · Score: 3

    Can we continually fork each release of Ximian and name it Helix again?

  111. Name change confusion by Jenova · · Score: 1

    The faq states that the name change is to 'provide trade mark protection for our work'. Does it means that the previous name didn't?

    I thought a name change would cause quite some confusion, 'Helix' do sound more generic and is prbably easily marketable... Ximian is more of the of a word play. One wonders if that name would roll off the tongue of the customers easily or the audiences that HelixCode is pitching its services to.

  112. There is an evil naming mastermind behind this! by danox · · Score: 2

    Not an individual, but a company called Lexicon, I quote from CNET (this was the first reference to them I could find)

    The name Itanium was chosen to "reflect the strength and performance of the processor," said Jami Dover, vice president of marketing at Intel. Sausalito, California-based Lexicon, which also coined the chip names Celeron and Xeon, came up with the name, she said.

    http://yahoo.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-806094.html

    They are the ones responsible for this weird name trend, I can't seem to find their website though, can anyone help me out?

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    1. Re:There is an evil naming mastermind behind this! by JCCyC · · Score: 2
      It's worldwide. Must be a stupidity virus or something. In Brazil they tried to change the name of the Petrobras oil company to Petrobrax. People screamed so loud they backed out in 24 hours! Maybe we could do the same with Helix^H^H^H^H^HXimian?

      If the Helix name has for some reason become verboten, I think they should present a list of names and cast a vote. Ximian, frankly, sucks. I'm e-mailing them right now.

  113. Headline: Ximian changes name to... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    CrapFlinger.com

    You'll notice the monkey logo now shows the arms in opposition to the previous pose. A clod of brown decay projected into the ether.

  114. Where it's coming from? by Dancin_Santa · · Score: 1

    While our software is open source, and we encourage you to share and redistribute it, trademark protection means that you know where your software is coming from.

    Are they saying that they want to own the code now? Why wouldn't I trust another source? It's just a diff away.

    Dancin Santa

  115. They can't pronounce they're own name! by HydroCarbon10 · · Score: 3

    From the FAQ:
    How do you say Ximian?
    ZIM-ee-un, to rhyme with "simian."

    This is incorrect. The correct pronunciation (read slowly):
    St-oooooooo-pid.

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  116. Wow by drivers · · Score: 2

    That's the stupidest name I ever heard. What genius thought of that?

    (It's not flamebait; it's my opinion.)

    signed,
    a Helix Gnome user

  117. another t-shirt in the history of techdom by fifthcent · · Score: 1

    sweet, now there'll be a new t-shirt for history of technology told in t-shirts...

    and just when i was about to buy a helix code... t-shirt from thinkgeek
    [in case i didn't say t-shirt enough: t-shirt, t-shirt, t-shirt, t-shirt, t-shirt :-P ]

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  118. Ugh! by Greyfox · · Score: 3

    I'm confiscating their crack pipes!

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  119. The name change. by miguel · · Score: 5

    Nat and I arrived to the name "Helix Code" (which was the name under which we incorporated our "International GNOME Support" company) after much debate.

    The project began By the end of the summer we were still using IGS as our name, and we had been talking to a lot of people about IGS. Although we did not like the name, and we started looking for a new one.

    Nat had picked up the name Hopscotch, which I did not like. The name also had problems because some company owned the trademark for the name, so we had to look for another one. The debate for the name had created so many constraints that we were uncapable of agreeing to the suggestions that the other one did.

    Eventually, we came up with two lists of suggestions, and Nat said `Ok, remove the ones you dont hate from my list, and I will do the same to yours'.

    And we ended up with two empty lists.

    So we were in this Evolution kind of mood (because of our product, and our recent interest in evolution), and Nat suggested finally `what about Code Helix?' and given our previous frustration, we quickly agreed on it. We later that day changed our minds, as we thought that Code Helix would make people think `They do developer tools' (I do not remember what was the thought process that followed here), but we changed the name to `Helix Code'.

    Now, this was not a final name, it was just a temporary name that we would use to incorporate the company, and we would change it as soon as possible. Neither Nat nor I liked the name originally, so every time we told a friend "We are starting a company!" when the question about the name came in, we would explain for five minutes why it was not such a great name and so on.

    We began the work to find a new name almost in march 2000, when we were told by our lawyers that it would be very hard to avoid other companies to produce Helix products (like this complete copy of Helix Code that is not associated with us: Helix Code UK).

    A temporary name that Jacob liked was "Loolix Bode" which was what the ATT 411 service guessed when we called for information about the company once.

    The process of the name change had been going for a number of months and many names were suggested. Both Nat and I experimented extreme frustration and lack of imagination after countless meetings to change the name. Jacob to this day calls the company "Loolix Bode 2000". And Ian still calls the company "Mr. Rupert's Quality Software Group" (mr rupert being the Helix mascot).

    After a year, I am very attached to Helix Code, but the name and products we would produce would be pretty much unprotectable, and there would be no guarantee to customers that they were purchasing software or services from us. And too many companies already had Helix-prefixed products that were in similar domains.

    There were a lot of nice sounding names, and various names we scanned from various countries, towns, cultures, languages, but most of the ones I liked were at least taken on the DNS.

    There are even more details to the story, but they are quite boring.

    The Ximian name fits nicely with our monkey logo and with our monkey culture and with the evolutionary theme that has been in the company since we started it.

    Best wishes,
    Miguel.

  120. Related story by sammy+baby · · Score: 2

    In a related story, Siemens announced that it would be changing its name to Xiemens. Also, Smith-Kline-Beecham will become Xmith-Kline-Beecham, Sony will become Xony, and this reporter, formerly known by the name Sammy Baby, will become Xammy Baby. All of the aforementioned organizations also announced plans to introduce new logos with lowercase letters, sans-serif fonts, and neat swooshes, kinda like the Nike logo.

  121. Re:MASK! fuck yah by $DollarMan$ · · Score: 1
    I believe end ended something like:
    MA MA MA MASK
    MASK! Always riding hot on Venom's trail
    Come see the laser rays (something something)

    I'm pretty sure that's it but it's been years, and much of my memory lies in the bottom of a pint mug...

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  122. Read it backwards by Pseudonymus+Bosch · · Score: 2

    Ximian -> naimiX -> Name Ex / X

    It is a metareference to the fact that they had to change the name.

    Or I read too much Internet.
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  123. You'll get used to it by Micah · · Score: 2

    Sure, it's a horrible name. But so are Pentium, Inspiron, Duron, Inprise, and all the m/.+ent$/ names.

    BUT WE GET USED TO THEM and eventually we can say them and spell them without hardly thinking about it.

    They'll do fine.

  124. Re:ne1 seen an audio file around with pronounciati by cxreg · · Score: 2

    fyi, English is a Germanic language

  125. The Naming Profession by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 2

    Oddly enough, there's a well known naming corporation called A Hundred Monkeys. You have to wonder. Simian conspiracy?

  126. Hmm.. by Ka0s · · Score: 1

    I can't imagine what the person who thought of this name was thinking at the time. What a stupid stupid choice, "Ximian" .. geezus, shame to Helix. shame.

    I bet this name choice will impact users.. noone wants to use a desktop with the name "Frilly Red Panty GNOME", Ximian is worse.

  127. Needed to protect Trademarks but... by Ex+Machina · · Score: 1

    Ximian Gnome doesn't sound as cool as Helix Gnome. Also "Zimian" was confusingly similar to the KDE team's beverage of choice for coding (sorry couldn't resist a KDE crack).

  128. Re:Hmm... by technomancerX · · Score: 3
    As much as I hate to defend Helix errr Ximian they didn't take anything... the founder of the Gnome project is a cofounder of the company and most if not all of the core Gnome developers work for Helix... in addition Helix is the official distributor or binary packages for Gnome...

    On an unrelated note Ximian is a REALLY stupid name while Helix Code was actually kind of cool...

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  129. Hmm....just a thought.... by Chanc_Gorkon · · Score: 2

    But could this change be the thing hodling the Debian project from including Helixcode Gnome in their Distro?? According to the list there was some copyright issues....

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