If, as a general concensus you believe that the main downfall of SGI of late has been,
1- Oversaturation of UNIX variants, of which they are one of the weakest 2- Recent advances by PC technology to provide powerful visual workstations, a direct competition 3- lack of interest in MIPS hardware, fierce competition from IBM and Sun in the ever encroached high-end server market.
Then someone about a year ago of course would have seen a dead end road coming about and oust the CEO. A immediate move could have been to join the competition (if they are moving to NT, then we'll compete on NT.)
It is good for them to see the other alternative. One that benifits the hardware manufacturer as well as the users. It is a gamble, to move this direction. It will pay off if other big names (IBM, HP) join in. Does it look like that might happen?
I'm now waiting for the fall of AIX, I think it will be next. (I don't count BSDi or SCO, to me they are dead already.) Indeed, IBM may be working in that direction since the main money (support and hardware) they can still provide. They are supporting Linux on almost everything they depend on AIX for.
I think IBM is simply bigger and it takes more time to maneuver, but they are working that direction also. Once Catia, and other big dollar Apps finaly switch over, what will there be left to stick around with AIX? Surely they see it, maybe they even want it.
processor : 0 cpu : 604 clock : 132MHz revision : 3.3 bogomips : 263.78 zero pages : total 0 (0Kb) current: 0 (0Kb) hits: 0/225618 (0%) machine : Power Macintosh motherboard : AAPL,9500 MacRISC L2 cache : 512K unified memory : 160MB
I suspect they intend on giving it away eventualy, its pretty old. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^~
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You are so right, soon KDE and Linux will be a big dog, and I mean a really big dog. It is getting harder and harder to get the name recognition that so motivated developers a while ago. But is this the death of KDE or linux?
no...
eventually it will be a coloborative effort of many money making companies. Already IBM, SGI (way to go SGI!), Corel, and other companies are putting there thumbs in the plumb pie. It was something I saw soon to happen about a year ago.
In the early ranching days, to make a few bucks ranchers would release a throuroghbred out into the wild to "improve the breed" of local mustangs. Then they'd go collect the children and sell them off. Not only did the Thourough bred improve the mustangs, but the resultant children were more resiliant and survivable!
That is about what I see the big companies doing now. KDE and linux and Gnome will all benefit. No one wants one person to control "the Ring". They all will soon see this as a way of getting all the economic benefits of monopolizing, without sacrificing survivability, or independance. They will all contribute.
And yes, we will find a new toy, and soon that toy will grow up the same way. kind of makes you feel good inside. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~ ^~
The Government of the Unites States wants people to participate, but not everyone can participate as president. (participate != control, and participate != "suspending suspicion" either for that matter)
I'm refering more to participation happening on the "getting to know you" level.
Your reference to the government pony show is very interesting. Every government has a sence that it must put on a pony show for its consituents. Companies put on pony shows for its investors. M$ puts on a big pony show. Having Girlfriends taught me the need to act in certain circumstances.
I'm in a play right now in fact. And I can tell you that participating, even in the small level that I am lets me see a whole bunch of what happens behind the scenes. I've learned a lot about the real history behind what the play is about. I also see the need to present the play as it is. But, it is only through participating that I was able to learn these things. That is the same with government-buisness-girlfriends. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^ ^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^~
However there is something beyond concealment that I call privacy. There are simply things I don't think people need to see or hear about my life. However, even so I hope to deal with those things in such a manner that if they did, they wouldn't think I was horrible, stupid or even perverted. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~ ^~~^~
A Government can only keep secrets from its own people.
A measure of how dis-satisfied people are with their government, is...
1) The level of armament of the police 2) The need for a government to "know what its people are up to."
lecture...
The movie "Untouchables" makes a very good point about how the police were representing the federal government, but everyone was *in essence* supporting a different government.
Even then, Al Capone's ledger book was encrypted. Why did Al Capone feel like he couldn't trust the Government with a knowledge of his buisness doings? Becuase the government was so corrupt that they were ready to squash such privacy for its own preservation. Remember how he even payrolled government officials? He was certainly an active supporter of the federal government.
Now obviously that is a little tongue in cheek, but it does point out how this issue is not very resolvable in a debate. Yet the solution is very clear. What keeps Open source so secure? Because it is open, and people can look for daggers so easily.
But even more than that there is participation. People are looking for daggers in software they want to use. Ever dream of working for the Air Force, just to find out if something is happening in Area 51? Ever want to work for the UN to get in on all the secrets that are passed there?
Why do we feel that we need to conceal what we are doing from the government? Why does the Government feel it needs to conceal from us? I think more participation is the best way to expose what is going on to sunlight, and as Learned Hand once said, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~ ^~~~^~~^~
Your point hits too many people right in the innards, and brings them to think about the dangers of bringing something like right to public speach to a dangerous level. I actually want to buy this software for the purpose you suggest. I've been looking for a filtering system for linux for a while just like this.
Smoking indoors here in CA, USA is illegal. Why should we go spending millions to stamp out air polution everywhere *and* protect someones right to poison everyone else in the room?
Are we advocating that we ban filtering software? What kind of setting would that actualy be justified? The 6:00 news leaves us with a feeling of being up to date on the world yet, we have just watched a whole program of *only what they wanted us to see*. Thats not a conspiracy allusion, that is corporate decision.
Should my computers be impounded becuase I put this software in my home? Should I be slapped with a fine becuase I put this software in my company? How about my internet caffe or library?
ISP's libraries, etc... are providing a service. Would you demand regulation of those services so some junkie can not miss the latest mpg of the week?
Censorship this isn't. Cesorship is shutting up the person speaking. This is just choosing not to listen to them or taking responsibility for what they say in my school, work, or home. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^~
If you want people with blocking software to see your site, move to where they can see it.
Just becuase you do that doesn't mean you don't support your ISP for housing such material. It just means your interests conflict with their ability to provide you the service you paid for.
Problem solved....
and this ranting about puritain values and liberty returns to placing responsibility where it should be, on the individual concerned... Why do you feel you have to stay with them? Just becuase they support porn or becuase you don't want to look like you don't? Sillyness. This is the real world. If someone can't provide what you want, you look for someone who can. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^~
I am a slashdot reader, and I really liked this article. Its critical message of historical context is well deserved. However I would like to point out what I enjoyed about the articles, and it wasn't Katz's self aggrandizing readership stroking. Neither was it in a well deserved backlash of oppressed people uniting in pointing a finger at their persecutors. The true masterpiece in the work was the Slashdot readership itself, and the community outpouring of support and sympathy to those in such a position (but not necissarily the monsters at Columbine.)
When I read the Hellmouth series, what I found most redemptive was the large number of people who had suffered through simular persecutions raged on them in their High School experience. Many of them not echoed in the debate (maybe for their simplicity an finality on the subject), spoke of how they felt for those going through it now. They also emphasized that if they live through it, that the real life waiting outside was not like high school.
These people reaching back to help kids in simular experiences (which one can not remove the label of being truely horrible) were the true magic of the moment. It has been celebrated in popular movies and scholorly histories alike that only true community can overcome the effects of such horrible treatment. Yet the News, this and even Katz's articles never even mentions such. I wish it would as it is the one in a thousand actually chopping at the root of the problem.
Even this artfully crafted article mentions the paradox of creating persecution to justify persecution, the communal solution is freightfuly missing. The overtones of young geeks outmaneuvering historical persecution of other races as the persecuted presents a problem that only is wrapped up in the community acceptance and support that no one talks about.
Its the solution, and the real story in the Slashdot articles (or rather in there responces) but without reverberation I fear such articles pointing fingers will only lead to more finger pointing and then vigilant persectutive justice, and a new cycle begins.
I actually like MS Office. I use WP on Linux at home exculsively, and I miss the way I could have Excel handle tables, etc... I'm anxiously looking forward to the gnome and KDE office suites, becuase they look to have the interfunctionality and customization I am looking for. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^~
New features come out all the time for older hardware that make it run faster. MTRR is one, and sound fixes have been most useful.
I've been in the upgrade cycle for a while waiting for better functionality (it works but not like I think it should) of NFS.
Improving memory management is another thing constantly speeding up the kernels. And for the late 2.0.x kernels improving PCI support helped out alot too.
So the moral should be don't upgrade unless you know what your getting? Or maybe upgrade unless you have better things to do.
for me I always keep kernel source patched to the most up to date possible. But I don't compile/reboot unless I have to or find a good reason too. IT also saves time in downloading an entire source tree five or ten revisions down the line.
It makes us sound like we just whimpered away complaining that we got beat. But we didn't. We produced other casualties (Novell and Sun) who also showed that MindCraft simply finagles for the results there customers want. We produced plenty of benchmarks where Linux dramaticaly outperforms NT.
But they used beta drivers, they won't let us write our own, and a whole list of reasons says that its better to admit, yeah they are faster in that study just like 90% of developers like having Explorer integrated into the OS in that study.
I heard that they were going to post a responce to the win Oracle wager. Did they?
There web page looks menacing but it is wrong on so many accounts that I begin to realize, the real weakness of Linux is we aren't organized enough to sue them for blatant misrepresentation and slander.
Time to reprint the quotes about Linux from the DOJ trial... ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~ ~^~
Yeah, but think of the possibilities of quieting your room by producing white noise. Especially in the low frequency ranges that the wall board doesn't already dampen. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~ ^~
Package format really doesn't matter. Alien can convert between debs, RPMS, even Stampede's SLP's. Your out on a limb if you trust RPMs or any packaging system to manage your linux box for you anyway.
But the DeFacto standard for Linux will always be...
make make install
thats a fact. ^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~^^~^^~^~^~~^^^~^^~~^~~~^~~^~
Slashdot Mirror
If, as a general concensus you believe that the main downfall of SGI of late has been,
1- Oversaturation of UNIX variants, of which they are one of the weakest
2- Recent advances by PC technology to provide powerful visual workstations, a direct competition
3- lack of interest in MIPS hardware, fierce competition from IBM and Sun in the ever encroached high-end server market.
Then someone about a year ago of course would have seen a dead end road coming about and oust the CEO. A immediate move could have been to join the competition (if they are moving to NT, then we'll compete on NT.)
It is good for them to see the other alternative. One that benifits the hardware manufacturer as well as the users. It is a gamble, to move this direction. It will pay off if other big names (IBM, HP) join in. Does it look like that might happen?
I'm now waiting for the fall of AIX, I think it will be next. (I don't count BSDi or SCO, to me they are dead already.) Indeed, IBM may be working in that direction since the main money (support and hardware) they can still provide. They are supporting Linux on almost everything they depend on AIX for.
I think IBM is simply bigger and it takes more time to maneuver, but they are working that direction also. Once Catia, and other big dollar Apps finaly switch over, what will there be left to stick around with AIX? Surely they see it, maybe they even want it.
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The most successful plan, is to fail...~ ^~
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from the web page....
processor : 0
cpu : 604
clock : 132MHz
revision : 3.3
bogomips : 263.78
zero pages : total 0 (0Kb) current: 0 (0Kb) hits: 0/225618 (0%)
machine : Power Macintosh
motherboard : AAPL,9500 MacRISC
L2 cache : 512K unified
memory : 160MB
I suspect they intend on giving it away eventualy, its pretty old.
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You are so right, soon KDE and Linux will be a big dog, and I mean a really big dog. It is getting harder and harder to get the name recognition that so motivated developers a while ago. But is this the death of KDE or linux?
~ ^~
no...
eventually it will be a coloborative effort of many money making companies. Already IBM, SGI (way to go SGI!), Corel, and other companies are putting there thumbs in the plumb pie. It was something I saw soon to happen about a year ago.
In the early ranching days, to make a few bucks ranchers would release a throuroghbred out into the wild to "improve the breed" of local mustangs. Then they'd go collect the children and sell them off. Not only did the Thourough bred improve the mustangs, but the resultant children were more resiliant and survivable!
That is about what I see the big companies doing now. KDE and linux and Gnome will all benefit. No one wants one person to control "the Ring". They all will soon see this as a way of getting all the economic benefits of monopolizing, without sacrificing survivability, or independance. They will all contribute.
And yes, we will find a new toy, and soon that toy will grow up the same way. kind of makes you feel good inside.
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#1, Why? The point is exactly that he was a criminal, and not just a criminal but an alternate government living inside the US. A *worse* government.
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#2 and #3, try learning about it some other way...
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I believe that can be summed up as...
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The Government of the Unites States wants people to participate, but not everyone can participate as president. (participate != control, and participate != "suspending suspicion" either for that matter)
I'm refering more to participation happening on the "getting to know you" level.
Your reference to the government pony show is very interesting. Every government has a sence that it must put on a pony show for its consituents. Companies put on pony shows for its investors. M$ puts on a big pony show. Having Girlfriends taught me the need to act in certain circumstances.
I'm in a play right now in fact. And I can tell you that participating, even in the small level that I am lets me see a whole bunch of what happens behind the scenes. I've learned a lot about the real history behind what the play is about. I also see the need to present the play as it is. But, it is only through participating that I was able to learn these things. That is the same with government-buisness-girlfriends.
^~~^~^^~~^~^~^~
However there is something beyond concealment that I call privacy. There are simply things I don't think people need to see or hear about my life. However, even so I hope to deal with those things in such a manner that if they did, they wouldn't think I was horrible, stupid or even perverted.~ ^~~^~
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A Government can only keep secrets from its own people.
~ ^~~~^~~^~
A measure of how dis-satisfied people are with their government, is...
1) The level of armament of the police
2) The need for a government to "know what its people are up to."
lecture...
The movie "Untouchables" makes a very good point about how the police were representing the federal government, but everyone was *in essence* supporting a different government.
Even then, Al Capone's ledger book was encrypted. Why did Al Capone feel like he couldn't trust the Government with a knowledge of his buisness doings? Becuase the government was so corrupt that they were ready to squash such privacy for its own preservation. Remember how he even payrolled government officials? He was certainly an active supporter of the federal government.
Now obviously that is a little tongue in cheek, but it does point out how this issue is not very resolvable in a debate. Yet the solution is very clear. What keeps Open source so secure? Because it is open, and people can look for daggers so easily.
But even more than that there is participation. People are looking for daggers in software they want to use. Ever dream of working for the Air Force, just to find out if something is happening in Area 51? Ever want to work for the UN to get in on all the secrets that are passed there?
Why do we feel that we need to conceal what we are doing from the government? Why does the Government feel it needs to conceal from us? I think more participation is the best way to expose what is going on to sunlight, and as Learned Hand once said, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant."
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Your point hits too many people right in the innards, and brings them to think about the dangers of bringing something like right to public speach to a dangerous level. I actually want to buy this software for the purpose you suggest. I've been looking for a filtering system for linux for a while just like this.
~
Smoking indoors here in CA, USA is illegal. Why should we go spending millions to stamp out air polution everywhere *and* protect someones right to poison everyone else in the room?
Are we advocating that we ban filtering software? What kind of setting would that actualy be justified? The 6:00 news leaves us with a feeling of being up to date on the world yet, we have just watched a whole program of *only what they wanted us to see*. Thats not a conspiracy allusion, that is corporate decision.
Should my computers be impounded becuase I put this software in my home? Should I be slapped with a fine becuase I put this software in my company? How about my internet caffe or library?
ISP's libraries, etc... are providing a service. Would you demand regulation of those services so some junkie can not miss the latest mpg of the week?
Censorship this isn't. Cesorship is shutting up the person speaking. This is just choosing not to listen to them or taking responsibility for what they say in my school, work, or home.
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If you want people with blocking software to see your site, move to where they can see it.
Just becuase you do that doesn't mean you don't support your ISP for housing such material. It just means your interests conflict with their ability to provide you the service you paid for.
Problem solved....
and this ranting about puritain values and liberty returns to placing responsibility where it should be, on the individual concerned... Why do you feel you have to stay with them? Just becuase they support porn or becuase you don't want to look like you don't? Sillyness. This is the real world. If someone can't provide what you want, you look for someone who can.
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YEAH! What a good sport. I'm not used to this but I'm happy to see it!
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I'm not too familiar with it all. I'm anxious to donate, and even moreso to something like the LSB gaining that status...
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(I also desperately want another topic to be discussed than Bruce vs. ${ANYONE})
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Here's my letter to the editor.
I am a slashdot reader, and I really liked this article. Its critical message of historical context is well deserved. However I would like to point out what I enjoyed about the articles, and it wasn't Katz's self aggrandizing readership stroking. Neither was it in a well deserved backlash of oppressed people uniting in pointing a finger at their persecutors. The true masterpiece in the work was the Slashdot readership itself, and the community outpouring of support and sympathy to those in such a position (but not necissarily the monsters at Columbine.)
When I read the Hellmouth series, what I found most redemptive was the large number of people who had suffered through simular persecutions raged on them in their High School experience. Many of them not echoed in the debate (maybe for their simplicity an finality on the subject), spoke of how they felt for those going through it now. They also emphasized that if they live through it, that the real life waiting outside was not like high school.
These people reaching back to help kids in simular experiences (which one can not remove the label of being truely horrible) were the true magic of the moment. It has been celebrated in popular movies and scholorly histories alike that only true community can overcome the effects of such horrible treatment. Yet the News, this and even Katz's articles never even mentions such. I wish it would as it is the one in a thousand actually chopping at the root of the problem.
Even this artfully crafted article mentions the paradox of creating persecution to justify persecution, the communal solution is freightfuly missing. The overtones of young geeks outmaneuvering historical persecution of other races as the persecuted presents a problem that only is wrapped up in the community acceptance and support that no one talks about.
Its the solution, and the real story in the Slashdot articles (or rather in there responces) but without reverberation I fear such articles pointing fingers will only lead to more finger pointing and then vigilant persectutive justice, and a new cycle begins.
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btw, I liked the expandable module cards on the GX. To me (a ME) that was a must.~
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I actually like MS Office. I use WP on Linux at home exculsively, and I miss the way I could have Excel handle tables, etc... I'm anxiously looking forward to the gnome and KDE office suites, becuase they look to have the interfunctionality and customization I am looking for.
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New features come out all the time for older hardware that make it run faster. MTRR is one, and sound fixes have been most useful.
I've been in the upgrade cycle for a while waiting for better functionality (it works but not like I think it should) of NFS.
Improving memory management is another thing constantly speeding up the kernels. And for the late 2.0.x kernels improving PCI support helped out alot too.
So the moral should be don't upgrade unless you know what your getting? Or maybe upgrade unless you have better things to do.
for me I always keep kernel source patched to the most up to date possible. But I don't compile/reboot unless I have to or find a good reason too. IT also saves time in downloading an entire source tree five or ten revisions down the line.
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It makes us sound like we just whimpered away complaining that we got beat. But we didn't. We produced other casualties (Novell and Sun) who also showed that MindCraft simply finagles for the results there customers want. We produced plenty of benchmarks where Linux dramaticaly outperforms NT.
~ ~^~
But they used beta drivers, they won't let us write our own, and a whole list of reasons says that its better to admit, yeah they are faster in that study just like 90% of developers like having Explorer integrated into the OS in that study.
I heard that they were going to post a responce to the win Oracle wager. Did they?
There web page looks menacing but it is wrong on so many accounts that I begin to realize, the real weakness of Linux is we aren't organized enough to sue them for blatant misrepresentation and slander.
Time to reprint the quotes about Linux from the DOJ trial...
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It doesn't even support case.~
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Yeah, but think of the possibilities of quieting your room by producing white noise. Especially in the low frequency ranges that the wall board doesn't already dampen.
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Package format really doesn't matter. Alien can convert between debs, RPMS, even Stampede's SLP's. Your out on a limb if you trust RPMs or any packaging system to manage your linux box for you anyway.
But the DeFacto standard for Linux will always be...
make
make install
thats a fact.
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I quote Anonymous Coward as my source.
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\me puffs chest
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Everything good eventually needs to come from RedHat, are you?
I have nothing against RedHat, and I like the cycle you suggest, but then you aren't saying that are you?
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Sorry
your right
I got cought up in the moment, and realized it later.
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Linus is mad...
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Someone shouldn't have shown him that Mindcraft study.
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We all know Mrs. Torvalds would not have any problems with Mrs. Gates.
I suspect the same for Linus.
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