I've been comtemplating engineer students who learnt high level languages and still don't understand how parameters are passed on the stack, or how pointers work. That's so depressing. I begin to think the bottom-up approach is the only valid one.
Shamely it has evolved the same way the wintel platform always did, with patches and legacy:^) There are mmx regs, but you need special opcodes to use them, and they use the same storage as the FPU regs... You thought you could interleave mmx with floating point to optimize ? forget about it. I really miss the m68k...
From http://www.ubix.org/cgi-bin/rhum?msg=1,854,1&limit e= (please don't/.):
With 2 years waranty.
* 'Faet' laptop (from Euro 1491): - Intel Pentium M 1,3 to 1,7 Ghz - 15' SXGA 1400 x 1050 pixels - 256 to 768 Mo RAM - 30 a 80 Go HDD - CDROM or combo CD burner/DVD or DVD-R burner - ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 with 64 Mo - optinal Wi-Fi card (NOT the internal centrino stuff AFAIK) - 3 * USB 2.0, 1 Firewire - integrated ethernet - S-Video out - SD card reader - Zeta standard edition
* Zeta PC Power (from Euro 538): - AMD Athlon XP 2000+ - 256 Mo RAM - 50 Go HDD, 7200 rpm - combo CD burner/DVD reader - ATI Radeon 9000, 64 Mo RAM - Zeta Deluxe edition
* Zeta PC Deluxe (from Euro 799): - Pentium 4 2,66 Ghz - 512 Mo RAM - 120 Go HDD 7200 rpm - DVD - CD burner - ATI Radeon 9000, 128 Mo RAM - Zeta en edition Deluxe
Sure, even though this whole cease-and-desist letter story is plain BS... Anyway it's not a problem anymore, there are 2 new progs on bebits, so this one won't be on the list:) Who said the BeOS community was not active ?:D
> it's not as if I can use an autoconfigure script to go and compile something
Why not ? The problem is not autotools, but the bad assumptions programmers make, thinking autotools will solve all portability probs. The simplest example is libm. BeOS doesn't have that, it's included in libroot, which is linked to by default. That doesn't stop me from porting stuff. I already ported (in no particular order) giFT (though the current cvs is broken), ffmpeg (which is used in VLC, which has been ported too and has a nice GUI, much nicer than the *nix version IMO), XEmacs (both tty & X11, still needs a native gui), bzflag (not finished), rsync, and some others.
Besides, there are many hac^Wfixes available for apps that use ugly things, even mmap() though it's not 100% working. For ex, I wrote a setitimer() implementation for XEmacs.
> whether I agree with the whole idea of task-specific operating systems. I respect the POV, however I prefer to use BeOS on my desktop, and Slack on the server, and the 2 fit my needs, so.
The current plan at yellowTAB is to transition slowly from the BeOS code to code from the OpenBeOS project, which is currently moving at its own pace, and released under the MIT licence (tagged as Free by gnu.org). Btw, there are already parts of OpenBeOS in Zeta. So it's already a bit free:-)
There are also other projects to "clone" the BeOS: BlueEyedOS (BeAPI on top of Linux), BeFree, a fork of the former, and other AtheOS derivatives, but IMO none are close enough to the spirit of the BeOS. OpenBeOS chose to get its own kernel (forked from NewOS, from an Ex-Be engineer), and aims at source and binary compatibility.
There is already a niche market for BeOS, with the TuneTracker radio automation system, the one that runs http://BeOSRadio.com: Check it at http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/ !
There isn't only Windoze+Linux in life ! There are many other OSes out there, why coudn't they have it too ? Besides, usually when company release Linux versions, they only give binaries for specific versions and of course only for x86. No wonder why PPC can't compete... *g*
I just came across a news at Slashdot.org http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/1 6/0034210.shtm l?tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99 reporting the recent abuses VeriSign made of the DNS system, virtually allocating any non-existing.com and.net domains to themselves. This is unethical, and unfair monopoly abuse. I believe this breaks numerous RFCs, besides it seems this has already been discussed and refused by the IAB: http://www.icann.org/correspondence/iab-message -to -lynn-25jan03.htm Why does VeriSign allow themselves the right to do something that was expressely forbidden ?
I strongly recommend VeriSign be threatened to be revoked as maintainer of the DNS root, if they don't cease immediately those bad practices that not only break many existing applications, but also incurs unfair competition with search engines.
Slashdot Mirror
we are a bit early for April Fools ?
before leaking it ? :)
;)
I do'nt think it's an example to even look at if you ever want to write good code anyway
Btw, I was just looking at the movie 'Hackers' when I learnt that. coincidence ?
I've been comtemplating engineer students who learnt high level languages and still don't understand how parameters are passed on the stack, or how pointers work. That's so depressing. I begin to think the bottom-up approach is the only valid one.
Shamely it has evolved the same way the wintel platform always did, with patches and legacy :^)
There are mmx regs, but you need special opcodes to use them, and they use the same storage as the FPU regs... You thought you could interleave mmx with floating point to optimize ? forget about it.
I really miss the m68k...
In BeOS I can have up to 32 virtual monitors for the price of 1... besides it saves the neck :)
Besides, if it's to use them like that...
Or get them there too.
I've been using The BeOS daily for 2 years now.
Call that dead if you wish.
Linux isn't Free Software either, it's filled with parts from SCO.
From http://www.ubix.org/cgi-bin/rhum?msg=1,854,1&limit e= (please don't /.):
With 2 years waranty.
* 'Faet' laptop (from Euro 1491):
- Intel Pentium M 1,3 to 1,7 Ghz
- 15' SXGA 1400 x 1050 pixels
- 256 to 768 Mo RAM
- 30 a 80 Go HDD
- CDROM or combo CD burner/DVD or DVD-R burner
- ATI Radeon Mobility 9000 with 64 Mo
- optinal Wi-Fi card (NOT the internal centrino stuff AFAIK)
- 3 * USB 2.0, 1 Firewire
- integrated ethernet
- S-Video out
- SD card reader
- Zeta standard edition
* Zeta PC Power (from Euro 538):
- AMD Athlon XP 2000+
- 256 Mo RAM
- 50 Go HDD, 7200 rpm
- combo CD burner/DVD reader
- ATI Radeon 9000, 64 Mo RAM
- Zeta Deluxe edition
* Zeta PC Deluxe (from Euro 799):
- Pentium 4 2,66 Ghz
- 512 Mo RAM
- 120 Go HDD 7200 rpm
- DVD
- CD burner
- ATI Radeon 9000, 128 Mo RAM
- Zeta en edition Deluxe
Sure, even though this whole cease-and-desist letter story is plain BS... :) :D
Anyway it's not a problem anymore, there are 2 new progs on bebits, so this one won't be on the list
Who said the BeOS community was not active ?
> it's not as if I can use an autoconfigure script to go and compile something
Why not ?
The problem is not autotools, but the bad assumptions programmers make, thinking autotools will solve all portability probs.
The simplest example is libm. BeOS doesn't have that, it's included in libroot, which is linked to by default.
That doesn't stop me from porting stuff. I already ported (in no particular order) giFT (though the current cvs is broken), ffmpeg (which is used in VLC, which has been ported too and has a nice GUI, much nicer than the *nix version IMO), XEmacs (both tty & X11, still needs a native gui), bzflag (not finished), rsync, and some others.
Besides, there are many hac^Wfixes available for apps that use ugly things, even mmap() though it's not 100% working.
For ex, I wrote a setitimer() implementation for XEmacs.
> whether I agree with the whole idea of task-specific operating systems.
I respect the POV, however I prefer to use BeOS on my desktop, and Slack on the server, and the 2 fit my needs, so.
[troll] /. claim to be independant if they put Linux ads when talking about a competing product ?
Hey, what's this ??? How can
[/troll]
The current plan at yellowTAB is to transition slowly from the BeOS code to code from the OpenBeOS project, which is currently moving at its own pace, and released under the MIT licence (tagged as Free by gnu.org). Btw, there are already parts of OpenBeOS in Zeta. So it's already a bit free :-)
There are also other projects to "clone" the BeOS: BlueEyedOS (BeAPI on top of Linux), BeFree, a fork of the former, and other AtheOS derivatives, but IMO none are close enough to the spirit of the BeOS. OpenBeOS chose to get its own kernel (forked from NewOS, from an Ex-Be engineer), and aims at source and binary compatibility.
Still feels funny to be published by someone else :D :p)
(yeah I wrote that stuff
There is already a niche market for BeOS, with the TuneTracker radio automation system, the one that runs http://BeOSRadio.com
Check it at http://www.tunetrackersystems.com/ !
Hey, this is just an RDF feed from http://bebits.com and independant from yellowTAB's position about this.
actually AFAIK the centrino wireless itselfs is not yet supported.
But it's high on the todo list.
Now, I've been wondering when /. would talk about it, it's days old already :P /.ed anyway !
Feels good to be
Just to display video in a window ?
:)
They must be using winXP...
Nice to see that many years after they can do what BeOS does on a P11 300
There isn't only Windoze+Linux in life !
There are many other OSes out there, why coudn't they have it too ?
Besides, usually when company release Linux versions, they only give binaries for specific versions and of course only for x86.
No wonder why PPC can't compete... *g*
I just came across a news at Slashdot.org1 6/0034210.shtm l?tid=126&tid=95&tid=98&tid=99 .com and .net domains :e -to -lynn-25jan03.htm
http://slashdot.org/articles/03/09/
reporting the recent abuses VeriSign made of the DNS system,
virtually allocating any non-existing
to themselves.
This is unethical, and unfair monopoly abuse.
I believe this breaks numerous RFCs, besides it seems this
has already been discussed and refused by the IAB
http://www.icann.org/correspondence/iab-messag
Why does VeriSign allow themselves the right to do something
that was expressely forbidden ?
I strongly recommend VeriSign be threatened to be revoked as
maintainer of the DNS root, if they don't cease immediately those
bad practices that not only break many existing applications, but
also incurs unfair competition with search engines.
Truthfully,
x
slash_dev_slash_null@verisig-sux.com :))
you don't want the keys for my flat when you're at it ?
http://www.linuxiso.com/p p/2680 :-)
http://www.bebits.com/a
http://www.qnx.com/
good experimental music !