If thay can't get a SIMPLE thing like rendering right
Exsqueeze me? Page rendering is probably the single most complex and difficult part of a browser. Come back after you've written something that handles BiDi text, graphics, bizarre forms of kerning and line spacing, overlapping text, and any of the other weird things people do with CSS. Heck, I'd be impressed just with something that can handle basic HTML... throw a graphic and some text that wraps around it. That ought to be really simple, right?
This argument applies in both directions. While the Linux apologists use the "Linux is just the kernel" argument, the Microsoft apologists trot out the tired old "it's only third-party apps and drivers that are buggy" line.
I agree that it makes sense to look at vulnerabilities in systems that people actually use to get stuff done. (After all, a box running nothing but a kernel with no I/O, no network connection, etc. is impregnible, but useless.) But if we apply that logic to Linux, we should apply it to Windows as well.
How many bugs do you think would show up if we included not only Windows kernel exploits (of which there are a fairly good number, I'm betting more than those strictly in the Linux kernel) but also those in IIS, Outlook, Exchange Server, etc.?
As someone who's seen the results of having these beasts running in a production environment, I can tell you which OS I feel more secure running, and it ain't from Redmond.
I'll probably be modded down as troll or flaimbait, but then it just shows the/. mentality.
If I had modpoints, I would definitely mod you down. Not because of the article you link to (in fact, I'd mod that +1 informative otherwise) but because of the perfect example of/. mentality: pretending that you're some poor put-upon soul preaching the truth while everyone else around you refuses to listen to reason.
For every one '-1 Troll' mod that a genuinely informative or interesting pro-Microsoft piece gets, it generally gets +3 or 4 from the 99% of moderators who aren't out just to get you. You're really not being hunted down because you like MS... it's not worth our time. Pretending to be some sort of karma martyr is getting fscking old.
Having been to some scary parts of West Virginia (yeah, there's about 15 square miles in the state that aren't terribly scary) I can safely say there are a lot of places where you can't get radio, TV, or cellular. There are places that only get a couple of hours of direct sunlight a day... the valleys are that low and steep.
I can't imagine they're of much use to radio astronomers though, because the very things that make them so low in RFI would block the signals the astronomers are looking for. Being able to see only a few degrees of sky wouldn't help them much. As far as what the spooks are doing, who can say...?
Perhaps you classify it as a blatant troll and ignore it, but I can't. There's too much of it.
I browse at +1:) I still see a good deal of the sort of comments we're talking about, but they're at least somewhat reasoned. I don't agree with most of them (heck, I'm a registered Libertarian, so you can't say I'm exactly anti-profiteering) but I respect them as another's belief.
I do see a lot of poorly reasoned comments about Linux users in toto being actively hostile to anyone making a profit of any kind. So many that I'm afraid I lashed out a bit, and your comment was the one I dumped on. I see now that you have thought about your position and are willing to discuss things rationally, so I apologise for my earlier tone. But in my defense, I see so many "you guys want Linux to fail" comments (where 'fail' is defined as 'not giving me what I want and then letting me make money from it with no effort on my part') that I tend to read all pro-capitalism posts as whiney karma-whoring corporate-welfarism.
I guess I'll try to keep a more open mind in the future.:) But as much as I am in favor of maming a profit from your labor, I want to reiterate my point that 'nobody owes you a profit'. (Not directed at prisoner-of-enigma, who seems to have a brain in his head, but so that idiot trolls don't try to use this post against me the next time I say that nobody should be allowed to use GPL code in a proprietary product or something.
Everybody wants a paycheck for themselves but God forbid that anyone make a dime from Linux.
Goddess, I'm getting tired of hearing this. Please show me one comment (actual comment, not an obvious troll) where someone has said that nobody should be making money off of Linux.
What people have been saying is that there are more important things than money. I know this is a shock, but for some of us, it's true. If you want to make money from Linux while not imposing restrictions on any of the freedoms that allowed it to grow in the first place, great! More power to you! In fact, I'll even help you if I can... I'll at least send bug reports or patches, because that gets me a better product too. We both win.
However, if you want to take something that has been given to you for free, lock it up in a box, and then only let people use it if they give you money, please fsck off. Contrary to what you and a great number of other nonhackers seem to think, nobody owes you a profit. Yeah, I get paid to code closed-source software. I also code open-source software in my free time. Am I supposed to choose one or the other? Why can't I give my code away if I want to? Because it keeps you from making money off of your product? Too bad. You'll actually have to do some original work for a change. I have no sympathy for you at all.
So if some committee at AOLTW decides at some point in the future to stop licensing it under the GPL, they can.
Good luck. I don't know of any lawyer who would want to deal with opening that legal can o' worms. Do you remember what happened when Mozilla started to get relicensed as dual MPL/GPL? They had to contact every person who had contributed as much as one line of code and get them to sign off that it was okay to change the license.
Even the stuff that RedHat has written in-house isn't 100% RedHat owned. As soon as they use a patch from someone else, someone who doesn't give RedHat the copyright to their code, they're pretty much stuck with GPL.
If this was discovered almost 2 years ago, then aren't and chips bought in the last couple years bug free?
Nope. Unfortunately, I bought my machine about 6 months ago and I still got hit with this. I didn't have any problems at all until I upgraded to RH7.2, when my machine started locking up hard daily. I guess I owe the guys that built the RH kernel RPMs an apology:)
there are people out there who want to "do the right thing" and pay for their music
Okay, so let's see. I can use Napster for an undisclosed fee (I'm betting on the neighborhood of $10/month) and get 50 tracks, which I have to get by trusting that the person on the other end ripped correctly. Plus I have to donate my own bandwith to do it. (Excuse me? I'm paying them to use my bandwidth? Did I miss where this is a good deal?)
Or I can go to emusic.com and pay $9.99 per month and legally download as many MP3s as my greedy heart desires. Plus they're categorized and ripped by people whose job it is to do this all day, so they're presumably of good quality. Plus I can download entire albums at once. Plus I don't have to share my collection with anyone, or let anyone scan my hard drive.
Hmm, tough choice. Napster is doomed. (Disclaimer: I don't own any emusic stock. I don't even know if they're publicly traded. I don't even have an account there. So there.)
I agree with you... up to the point that each person should vote once. But I guess the guy who submitted 228 votes for MS will be implementing 228 different web services next year?
doesn't Gnome put a Mozilla icon onto your desktop?
Nope. No idea where you got this.
How about enforced usage of Nautilus?
So use GMC. Or another filemanager. Or none at all. Nobody's stopping you.
But you miss the point -- even if these things were hard-coded, you still have the code. A quick cut and recompile and everything's just how you like it.
What a great idea! Why didn't I think of that? Next time I see some movie online that I'd like to watch, I'll just play it in my MPEG player regardless of how it was encoded by someone else!
Have you built MPlayer , RECENTLY with ALL the options under 2.96 (All updated) ????
Yup. Works like a charm, thanks. On two different machines.
BTW, when it gives that asinine prompt to type "gcc 2.96 is broken" or whatever, you can type "gcc 2.96 works just fine and the mplayer developers don't have a clue what they're talking about" and it'll go through. Makes me feel a bit better when building it:)
The Zaurus' keyboard is excellent. I had the same misgivings as you, until I used mine for a few minutes. Now I don't see how I ever managed to use my Palm. (I was just as sold on Grafitti as you seem to be, but no longer... now having to use a Palm is pretty painful.)
On the other hand, if you decide you don't like the keyboard, the Zaurus' handwriting recognition is great. And programmable -- if you simply can't let go of your Palm experience, the Zaurus will happily read Grafitti, or whatever else you decide to use.
Oh.. one last thing.. what about a built in unique encryption key.. with a retractable USB cord. This can be plugged into any USB equipped machine and you can use the key for file encryption or even for identity purposes simalair to a keyspan.
This would be great, right up until you lost or broke your PDA and couldn't access your files.
Sure, the Zarus is cheaper and has the keyboard, but look at the built in Memory: E200=64MB RAM+ 32 Flash, Zarus=32MB RAM + 16MB Flash
I was comparing the release version of the Zaurus, which will have 64MB of RAM and be $100 less than the Casio. If you want the Zaurus that's out now (like I got:) with only 32MB of RAM, it's about $200 cheaper. Quite a difference.
I admit that I don't know how much flash the release version of the Zaurus will have, but it's something of a moot point anyway as it's only used for storing built-in applications and such. The Casio needs the extra 16 meg of flash -- the applications are written by Microsoft. (Have to have something to fit that flight simulator into the spreadsheet...)
For less than the $600 price the article mentions, you can get a Sharp Zaurus with the same specs. (CF slot, SD slot, 206MHz... the works.) Plus you get a keyboard(!) and there's no ugly windows logo emblazoned on it.
Sorry, I think that Casio's a day late and $100 to expensive.
"... isn't too aware of the fine details (well, even some gross details) of the world around him. He tries hard, and things tend to work out after a fashion, but usually not as a result of any particular brilliance on his part... style over substance, of good intentions versus understanding, of the brawn and machismo not directed by a terribly powerful cranium, and of accidental destruction as a consequence of his good intentions and bungling execution."
Funny, I didn't realize that Dubya was a member of the 'current generation'. (What does that mean, anyway? Aren't there several generations currently living?)
I suspect that most people who get a +1 bonus, never lose it unless they work at it.
I think that's part of the reason that you have to have such a high karma to get the bonus... the idea that you've consistently had {insightful,funny,etc.} things to say means that more than likely, you're worth listening to.
Whether or not it works in practice is another matter, of course...
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If thay can't get a SIMPLE thing like rendering right
Exsqueeze me? Page rendering is probably the single most complex and difficult part of a browser. Come back after you've written something that handles BiDi text, graphics, bizarre forms of kerning and line spacing, overlapping text, and any of the other weird things people do with CSS. Heck, I'd be impressed just with something that can handle basic HTML... throw a graphic and some text that wraps around it. That ought to be really simple, right?
This argument applies in both directions. While the Linux apologists use the "Linux is just the kernel" argument, the Microsoft apologists trot out the tired old "it's only third-party apps and drivers that are buggy" line.
I agree that it makes sense to look at vulnerabilities in systems that people actually use to get stuff done. (After all, a box running nothing but a kernel with no I/O, no network connection, etc. is impregnible, but useless.) But if we apply that logic to Linux, we should apply it to Windows as well.
How many bugs do you think would show up if we included not only Windows kernel exploits (of which there are a fairly good number, I'm betting more than those strictly in the Linux kernel) but also those in IIS, Outlook, Exchange Server, etc.?
As someone who's seen the results of having these beasts running in a production environment, I can tell you which OS I feel more secure running, and it ain't from Redmond.
I'll probably be modded down as troll or flaimbait, but then it just shows the /. mentality.
/. mentality: pretending that you're some poor put-upon soul preaching the truth while everyone else around you refuses to listen to reason.
If I had modpoints, I would definitely mod you down. Not because of the article you link to (in fact, I'd mod that +1 informative otherwise) but because of the perfect example of
For every one '-1 Troll' mod that a genuinely informative or interesting pro-Microsoft piece gets, it generally gets +3 or 4 from the 99% of moderators who aren't out just to get you. You're really not being hunted down because you like MS... it's not worth our time. Pretending to be some sort of karma martyr is getting fscking old.
Having been to some scary parts of West Virginia (yeah, there's about 15 square miles in the state that aren't terribly scary) I can safely say there are a lot of places where you can't get radio, TV, or cellular. There are places that only get a couple of hours of direct sunlight a day... the valleys are that low and steep.
I can't imagine they're of much use to radio astronomers though, because the very things that make them so low in RFI would block the signals the astronomers are looking for. Being able to see only a few degrees of sky wouldn't help them much. As far as what the spooks are doing, who can say...?
Perhaps you classify it as a blatant troll and ignore it, but I can't. There's too much of it.
:) I still see a good deal of the sort of comments we're talking about, but they're at least somewhat reasoned. I don't agree with most of them (heck, I'm a registered Libertarian, so you can't say I'm exactly anti-profiteering) but I respect them as another's belief.
:) But as much as I am in favor of maming a profit from your labor, I want to reiterate my point that 'nobody owes you a profit'. (Not directed at prisoner-of-enigma, who seems to have a brain in his head, but so that idiot trolls don't try to use this post against me the next time I say that nobody should be allowed to use GPL code in a proprietary product or something.
I browse at +1
I do see a lot of poorly reasoned comments about Linux users in toto being actively hostile to anyone making a profit of any kind. So many that I'm afraid I lashed out a bit, and your comment was the one I dumped on. I see now that you have thought about your position and are willing to discuss things rationally, so I apologise for my earlier tone. But in my defense, I see so many "you guys want Linux to fail" comments (where 'fail' is defined as 'not giving me what I want and then letting me make money from it with no effort on my part') that I tend to read all pro-capitalism posts as whiney karma-whoring corporate-welfarism.
I guess I'll try to keep a more open mind in the future.
Everybody wants a paycheck for themselves but God forbid that anyone make a dime from Linux.
Goddess, I'm getting tired of hearing this. Please show me one comment (actual comment, not an obvious troll) where someone has said that nobody should be making money off of Linux.
What people have been saying is that there are more important things than money. I know this is a shock, but for some of us, it's true. If you want to make money from Linux while not imposing restrictions on any of the freedoms that allowed it to grow in the first place, great! More power to you! In fact, I'll even help you if I can... I'll at least send bug reports or patches, because that gets me a better product too. We both win.
However, if you want to take something that has been given to you for free, lock it up in a box, and then only let people use it if they give you money, please fsck off. Contrary to what you and a great number of other nonhackers seem to think, nobody owes you a profit. Yeah, I get paid to code closed-source software. I also code open-source software in my free time. Am I supposed to choose one or the other? Why can't I give my code away if I want to? Because it keeps you from making money off of your product? Too bad. You'll actually have to do some original work for a change. I have no sympathy for you at all.
So if some committee at AOLTW decides at some point in the future to stop licensing it under the GPL, they can.
Good luck. I don't know of any lawyer who would want to deal with opening that legal can o' worms. Do you remember what happened when Mozilla started to get relicensed as dual MPL/GPL? They had to contact every person who had contributed as much as one line of code and get them to sign off that it was okay to change the license.
Even the stuff that RedHat has written in-house isn't 100% RedHat owned. As soon as they use a patch from someone else, someone who doesn't give RedHat the copyright to their code, they're pretty much stuck with GPL.
If this was discovered almost 2 years ago, then aren't and chips bought in the last couple years bug free?
:)
Nope. Unfortunately, I bought my machine about 6 months ago and I still got hit with this. I didn't have any problems at all until I upgraded to RH7.2, when my machine started locking up hard daily. I guess I owe the guys that built the RH kernel RPMs an apology
So you know Emusic is a good service how...?
I don't... just if I were going to choose a music service to send some cash to, I think Napster would be at the bottom of my list right now.
there are people out there who want to "do the right thing" and pay for their music
Okay, so let's see. I can use Napster for an undisclosed fee (I'm betting on the neighborhood of $10/month) and get 50 tracks, which I have to get by trusting that the person on the other end ripped correctly. Plus I have to donate my own bandwith to do it. (Excuse me? I'm paying them to use my bandwidth? Did I miss where this is a good deal?)
Or I can go to emusic.com and pay $9.99 per month and legally download as many MP3s as my greedy heart desires. Plus they're categorized and ripped by people whose job it is to do this all day, so they're presumably of good quality. Plus I can download entire albums at once. Plus I don't have to share my collection with anyone, or let anyone scan my hard drive.
Hmm, tough choice. Napster is doomed. (Disclaimer: I don't own any emusic stock. I don't even know if they're publicly traded. I don't even have an account there. So there.)
Or, you could just go to Amazon, browse around a bit, and use its recommendations as your next MP3 search. On a free network.
* 2002-01-11 13:25:32 Stallman says 'Just Say No' to Word Documents (articles,internet) (rejected)
I agree with you... up to the point that each person should vote once. But I guess the guy who submitted 228 votes for MS will be implementing 228 different web services next year?
doesn't Gnome put a Mozilla icon onto your desktop?
Nope. No idea where you got this.
How about enforced usage of Nautilus?
So use GMC. Or another filemanager. Or none at all. Nobody's stopping you.
But you miss the point -- even if these things were hard-coded, you still have the code. A quick cut and recompile and everything's just how you like it.
Would anyone consider this iWalk thing to match these descriptions?
No, but then I remember all the hype about Ginger, and we all know how earth-shattering that was.
Here, let me sum up for you.
Spammers hide on the 'net by playing with unsecured routers.
What worries me is that it took someone three years to figure this out...
Just use something BETTER like MPEG.
What a great idea! Why didn't I think of that? Next time I see some movie online that I'd like to watch, I'll just play it in my MPEG player regardless of how it was encoded by someone else!
Have you built MPlayer , RECENTLY with ALL the options under 2.96 (All updated) ????
:)
Yup. Works like a charm, thanks. On two different machines.
BTW, when it gives that asinine prompt to type "gcc 2.96 is broken" or whatever, you can type "gcc 2.96 works just fine and the mplayer developers don't have a clue what they're talking about" and it'll go through. Makes me feel a bit better when building it
I can see the point of the rest, but the microdrive seems like a waste.
Duh... the astronauts have to have somewhere to keep their MP3s... 1 gig should be plenty to keep you going during a boring spacewalk.
Though now that I think about it, they do have a VGA display in their helmets... pr0n anyone?
The Zaurus' keyboard is excellent. I had the same misgivings as you, until I used mine for a few minutes. Now I don't see how I ever managed to use my Palm. (I was just as sold on Grafitti as you seem to be, but no longer... now having to use a Palm is pretty painful.)
On the other hand, if you decide you don't like the keyboard, the Zaurus' handwriting recognition is great. And programmable -- if you simply can't let go of your Palm experience, the Zaurus will happily read Grafitti, or whatever else you decide to use.
Oh.. one last thing.. what about a built in unique encryption key.. with a retractable USB cord. This can be plugged into any USB equipped machine and you can use the key for file encryption or even for identity purposes simalair to a keyspan.
This would be great, right up until you lost or broke your PDA and couldn't access your files.
Sure, the Zarus is cheaper and has the keyboard, but look at the built in Memory: E200=64MB RAM+ 32 Flash, Zarus=32MB RAM + 16MB Flash
:) with only 32MB of RAM, it's about $200 cheaper. Quite a difference.
I was comparing the release version of the Zaurus, which will have 64MB of RAM and be $100 less than the Casio. If you want the Zaurus that's out now (like I got
I admit that I don't know how much flash the release version of the Zaurus will have, but it's something of a moot point anyway as it's only used for storing built-in applications and such. The Casio needs the extra 16 meg of flash -- the applications are written by Microsoft. (Have to have something to fit that flight simulator into the spreadsheet...)
For less than the $600 price the article mentions, you can get a Sharp Zaurus with the same specs. (CF slot, SD slot, 206MHz... the works.) Plus you get a keyboard(!) and there's no ugly windows logo emblazoned on it.
Sorry, I think that Casio's a day late and $100 to expensive.
"... isn't too aware of the fine details (well, even some gross details) of the world around him. He tries hard, and things tend to work out after a fashion, but usually not as a result of any particular brilliance on his part... style over substance, of good intentions versus understanding, of the brawn and machismo not directed by a terribly powerful cranium, and of accidental destruction as a consequence of his good intentions and bungling execution."
Funny, I didn't realize that Dubya was a member of the 'current generation'. (What does that mean, anyway? Aren't there several generations currently living?)
Sorry, just wasting time at work.
I suspect that most people who get a +1 bonus, never lose it unless they work at it.
I think that's part of the reason that you have to have such a high karma to get the bonus... the idea that you've consistently had {insightful,funny,etc.} things to say means that more than likely, you're worth listening to.
Whether or not it works in practice is another matter, of course...