As a software engineer who tried out ubuntu I can very much relate to the above. It is not a system that works out of the box. It took me several days of working shit out until I was able to use it as a download box. Although if you take the time to learn how to use it you also learn a lot more about how computers work.
Hang on - you actually believe that his argument is a valid argument in response to my question. That there exists a person on the world who is bad but sometimes sounds good means that everybody who you know that sounds good is really bad. Nice one!
Thanks for your reply Jim - I would like some further thoughts from you (+) if you have the time:
- If god is omnipotent / all powerful etc - why do you need to tell others about him? Can he not do this himself if he felt it was the thing to do?
God wants to use people to spread the Good News because it seems foolish to people who want to put God in a box. It makes a ton of sense. He wants to see people's reaction to it.
+ What do you mean by this? Why is their reaction important?
- If god is generous rewarding etc. - why is there evil in the world>=? Why does he allow situations to occur that turn good people into bad people? (trauma, post-traumatic stress etc.)
Sin is the reason there is evil in the world.
And there is no such thing as "good people", as we've all done wrong.
+ But as the creator of the universe is he not the origin of the sin?
+ What about the criminally insane?
- Why heaven - why not just make the real world nice.
Again, it goes to sin. Those who choose to do evil need to be allowed to do their evil and be convicted. If God stepped in every time that someone wanted to do evil and stopped him, that being never really could be guilty of doing evil could they? God is allowing the tares to grow along side the wheat. At the end of time, God will throw the tares into the furnace.
+ but as you say god knows your thoughts - could he not just punish those who would do evil and save everyone else suffering - he could then arrange it so that nobody would know that the evil doer ever existed thereby not "ruining" the test.
To put it another way: If only one being knew how to rule justly, and you didn't accept to live with this being, you'd be spending eternity in an unjust universe which is referred to as Hell. By accepting Jesus as savior, he'll make it possible for you to live in peace with others.
+ I'm not sure I understand this - if people are changed after they accept Jesus - why not just change everybody to live in peace? Or let god weed out the sinners as he is all-knowing?
- Why do you believe you know the mind of god? (sorry if I read that wrong - but from your post you seem convinced you do). You may believe that god cannot be mistaken - but do you believe that you cannot be mistaken for thinking you know his mind?
I know qualities of God. The Bible speaks of them. I cannot say I know what God is thinking, but God knows what I am thinking. He knows what you're thinking as you read this.
+ but for you to accept that the bible is definitely the word of god does that not imply that you believe you could not be wrong about it?
As someone who has listened to Richard I cannot believe that anyone would think that his is bigoted and unpleasant to people. He is always polite even when dealing with people who are not so towards him. Can you give a quote or the like so that I can see the other side of him? People often say that he is rude and the like but I have never seen that myself and I have read most (but not all) of his work.
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I don't understand the thinking behind several parts of your last paragraph - but I am deeply interested in why you think they are so:
- If god is omnipotent / all powerful etc - why do you need to tell others about him? Can he not do this himself if he felt it was the thing to do?
- If god is generous rewarding etc. - why is there evil in the world>=? Why does he allow situations to occur that turn good people into bad people? (trauma, post-traumatic stress etc.)
- Why heaven - why not just make the real world nice.
- Why do you believe you know the mind of god? (sorry if I read that wrong - but from your post you seem convinced you do). You may believe that god cannot be mistaken - but do you believe that you cannot be mistaken for thinking you know his mind?
I am deeply interested in hearing what you have to say on this.
The Greek philosophers were not what could be called scientists. Scientist are defined by their use of the scientific method. Yes they were the greatest minds of the day but often the reason they made glaring errors is their methodology for building knowledge was very poor. The greatest achievement of science is not any discovery in particular - but it is the method itself.
Also the equivalence statements such as yours - "everything takes faith" is poorly thought thru. Try basing your life on the idea that that is true and you will discover why.
On the other hand this is an actual opinion from a 15 year old! We cant just dismiss it out of hand. After all experts have been wrong before and therefore anyone's opinion is as good as any other.:D
Not really - you could just happen to be a fire mage and the level you designed just happens to have all creatures with a terrible weakness to fire but strong otherwise and so its very easy for you but not many others.
Yes I see how the notion of putting together what happened in the past from present evidence can be difficult to understand. I suggest you steer clear of forensics, it could blow your mind...
Plus if I understand this correctly it only looks at the destination and then assumes they went from their hometown. So if you are hopping around someplace it would treat each one as originating from your hometown.
Rats, flies, fleas are all carriers of disease so having a clean house, removing sewage etc are all massive steps towards reducing the prevalence of disease. So the notion of keeping clean = keeping healthy is not silly. Its certainly not the only issue involved, but it goes a long way.
Society is in many ways a lot more vulnerable now then it was in 1918 - its reliant on much more formal structures then it used to - if a disease manages to frighten people (it doesn't even have to kill many for this to occur) into not rocking up to work there will be a massive breakdown very quickly.
Which is the interesting part because this flu is most deadly to those with a good immune system because it triggers an overreaction which is what causes the damage. Those with a poorer immune system are not as badly affected!
That kind of technology is not an mp3 you can just copy without any problems - usually its cheaper to hire people who have experience in working on such projects then to train a native crew at a massive risk of project failure.
Prolly the bandwidth. From the universal repository of knowledge that is wikipedia "n March 2008, YouTube's bandwidth costs were estimated at approximately US$1 million a day".
That's the reason I'm fairly optimistic about that - humans as a race rarely solve any underlying problems but are very good at finding workarounds. So get ready to enjoy your hydrogen hummer!
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As a software engineer who tried out ubuntu I can very much relate to the above. It is not a system that works out of the box. It took me several days of working shit out until I was able to use it as a download box. Although if you take the time to learn how to use it you also learn a lot more about how computers work.
Hang on - you actually believe that his argument is a valid argument in response to my question. That there exists a person on the world who is bad but sometimes sounds good means that everybody who you know that sounds good is really bad. Nice one!
Thanks for all your insightful answers Jim, I appreciate you taking the time to respond.
Although I don't see things as you do, I wish you all the best in the future.
Cassius.
I hear many arguments (but not all) that don't bear a relation to the question at hand. Hitler was a Nazi.
Thanks for your reply Jim - I would like some further thoughts from you (+) if you have the time:
- If god is omnipotent / all powerful etc - why do you need to tell others about him? Can he not do this himself if he felt it was the thing to do?
God wants to use people to spread the Good News because it seems foolish to people who want to put God in a box. It makes a ton of sense. He wants to see people's reaction to it.
+ What do you mean by this? Why is their reaction important?
- If god is generous rewarding etc. - why is there evil in the world>=? Why does he allow situations to occur that turn good people into bad people? (trauma, post-traumatic stress etc.)
Sin is the reason there is evil in the world.
And there is no such thing as "good people", as we've all done wrong.
+ But as the creator of the universe is he not the origin of the sin?
+ What about the criminally insane?
- Why heaven - why not just make the real world nice.
Again, it goes to sin. Those who choose to do evil need to be allowed to do their evil and be convicted. If God stepped in every time that someone wanted to do evil and stopped him, that being never really could be guilty of doing evil could they? God is allowing the tares to grow along side the wheat. At the end of time, God will throw the tares into the furnace.
+ but as you say god knows your thoughts - could he not just punish those who would do evil and save everyone else suffering - he could then arrange it so that nobody would know that the evil doer ever existed thereby not "ruining" the test.
To put it another way: If only one being knew how to rule justly, and you didn't accept to live with this being, you'd be spending eternity in an unjust universe which is referred to as Hell. By accepting Jesus as savior, he'll make it possible for you to live in peace with others.
+ I'm not sure I understand this - if people are changed after they accept Jesus - why not just change everybody to live in peace? Or let god weed out the sinners as he is all-knowing?
- Why do you believe you know the mind of god? (sorry if I read that wrong - but from your post you seem convinced you do). You may believe that god cannot be mistaken - but do you believe that you cannot be mistaken for thinking you know his mind?
I know qualities of God. The Bible speaks of them. I cannot say I know what God is thinking, but God knows what I am thinking. He knows what you're thinking as you read this.
+ but for you to accept that the bible is definitely the word of god does that not imply that you believe you could not be wrong about it?
I look forward to your reply,
Cassius C. Corodes
As someone who has listened to Richard I cannot believe that anyone would think that his is bigoted and unpleasant to people. He is always polite even when dealing with people who are not so towards him. Can you give a quote or the like so that I can see the other side of him? People often say that he is rude and the like but I have never seen that myself and I have read most (but not all) of his work.
I don't understand the thinking behind several parts of your last paragraph - but I am deeply interested in why you think they are so:
- If god is omnipotent / all powerful etc - why do you need to tell others about him? Can he not do this himself if he felt it was the thing to do?
- If god is generous rewarding etc. - why is there evil in the world>=? Why does he allow situations to occur that turn good people into bad people? (trauma, post-traumatic stress etc.)
- Why heaven - why not just make the real world nice.
- Why do you believe you know the mind of god? (sorry if I read that wrong - but from your post you seem convinced you do). You may believe that god cannot be mistaken - but do you believe that you cannot be mistaken for thinking you know his mind?
I am deeply interested in hearing what you have to say on this.
The Greek philosophers were not what could be called scientists. Scientist are defined by their use of the scientific method. Yes they were the greatest minds of the day but often the reason they made glaring errors is their methodology for building knowledge was very poor. The greatest achievement of science is not any discovery in particular - but it is the method itself.
Also the equivalence statements such as yours - "everything takes faith" is poorly thought thru. Try basing your life on the idea that that is true and you will discover why.
I think if editors actually linked to the journal paper in question rather than a second hand source a lot of this nonsense could be avoided.
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On the other hand this is an actual opinion from a 15 year old! We cant just dismiss it out of hand. After all experts have been wrong before and therefore anyone's opinion is as good as any other. :D
Not really - you could just happen to be a fire mage and the level you designed just happens to have all creatures with a terrible weakness to fire but strong otherwise and so its very easy for you but not many others.
Try water - fire creatures have a weakness to it.
Yes I see how the notion of putting together what happened in the past from present evidence can be difficult to understand. I suggest you steer clear of forensics, it could blow your mind...
Plus if I understand this correctly it only looks at the destination and then assumes they went from their hometown. So if you are hopping around someplace it would treat each one as originating from your hometown.
Rats, flies, fleas are all carriers of disease so having a clean house, removing sewage etc are all massive steps towards reducing the prevalence of disease. So the notion of keeping clean = keeping healthy is not silly. Its certainly not the only issue involved, but it goes a long way.
I think there is a drug for that! *ducks*
Society is in many ways a lot more vulnerable now then it was in 1918 - its reliant on much more formal structures then it used to - if a disease manages to frighten people (it doesn't even have to kill many for this to occur) into not rocking up to work there will be a massive breakdown very quickly.
Plus the vaccine was made from blood plasma of monkeys so both would be true if that theory is correct.
Which is the interesting part because this flu is most deadly to those with a good immune system because it triggers an overreaction which is what causes the damage. Those with a poorer immune system are not as badly affected!
That kind of technology is not an mp3 you can just copy without any problems - usually its cheaper to hire people who have experience in working on such projects then to train a native crew at a massive risk of project failure.
And the gateway to an autoimmune pandemic!
Prolly the bandwidth. From the universal repository of knowledge that is wikipedia "n March 2008, YouTube's bandwidth costs were estimated at approximately US$1 million a day".
That's the reason I'm fairly optimistic about that - humans as a race rarely solve any underlying problems but are very good at finding workarounds. So get ready to enjoy your hydrogen hummer!
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