I believe the explanation was he chose to avoid a constitutional crisis.
Now I know you are not endorsing this - but that reason makes no sense - he would be defending the constitution by exposing fraud, and would do more damage to it by letting fraud go unchecked then any constitutional crisis could do.
Not to mention that this man once argued in court that he had the power of king George, and was above the law - so I hardly see him avoiding constitutional crises.
Nixon was paranoid - this goes a long way to explain his behaviour.
Let us start with the observation that vote fraud is as american as apple pie. Consider jfk vs nixon. The vote fraud in Texas and Chicag gave the race to jfk. Nixon knew this AND had court room style proof.
If he had court room style proof, why did he not submit it to the, you know, courtroom?
As far as I know nixon believed that jfk stole the election but I have never seen any proof of this actually being true. Nixon also believed a lot of other things which make it difficult to take him seriously.
That particular point might make sense if it was a republican vs democrat, but since this guy had no staff or following, and the democrats wanted the other guy why would they do this exactly?
Party politics aside - I don't really know what anyone from any govt. could have done about this. Once the thing blows all you can do is make sure the people responsible are doing all they can do fix it, and are adequately punished. After all they know best how to fix the mess, and have plenty of reason do to so (i.e. the quicker they fix it the less they pay over all).
The problem I see with this being some kind of fraud - is what kind of idiot would choose, as their puppet, this person. There must be hundreds of people who, in return for a hefty sum, would do your bidding, all while looking a whole lot more respectable. This looks to me more like a case of people voting for the 'other guy' without actually knowing who the other guy is.
AS I SAID *after* the war had ended, so too had the killings. To label Lenin a murderer because he killed people during his Civil War, means you'd also have to label George Washington and other U.S. Founders as murderers during their own civil war (1775-83).
Neither are civil wars a green light for mass murder of civilians nor did lenin stop the terror after the war (it didnt stop until he died) - I'm not sure why you are trying to defend him - you don't really have a ledge to stand on.
The connection to Obama is that he wants the Government to be the single payer for Trains, Mail service, Retirement savings, Hospitals, Internet hookups, and so on. Or if he can't have that, he wants government to run the private corporations board room, as is the case with GM. i.e. It's a centralized government-run economy that he desires. Not all once of course, but that's his ultimate goal over the next ten years.
I know you don't realise, but you are suffering from exactly the same total derangement that liberals had when bush was in power. Where did this bat-shit crazy come from? Centralised government run economy? You are taking isolated examples and turning them into some kind of conspiracy theory when its quite frankly obvious that nothing of the like is going on.
I had to listen to this sort of shit from liberals for 8 years:/
Its the same stuff as people calling democrats communist, its just a place-holder for things they dont like, without giving too much though to reality.
I don't recall Lenin doing that either, after the old dictatorship had been toppled, a new government had been instituted and peace achieved. He even quit fighting World War 1 since he considered it a waste of lives.
You know, for someone who supposedly hates the hard left as much as you do, that statement would even make the most hardened communist apologists nervous.
Embryos don't make their bodies by just grouping a bunch of stem cells in a roughly humanoid shape and then the cells know what to do to make arms and brains. It's complicated.
While it is complicated, what you have said there is actually a good simple explanation for how it is done. There is no real central command for differentiation, the cells make decisions in a almost completely distributed manner.
Not in all cases, as an extreme example, the nazis would not have stopped with their hatred of jews despite any actions by the jews. Now if you read the press in the middle east you will note that it only loosely conforms to reality, and the US and Israel are blamed for pretty much everything, their fault or not. There a just so many conspiracy theories, such distortion of facts that even if we went there to plant flowers it would be constructed as some kind of diabolical plot.
Basically the west needs to do its best, but not be under any misconception that everybody will give praise where its due.
Its not a great danger given that its mainly for new appliances - as long as they require all appliances sold as new to have up to date stickers, which is suspect is that case. Of-course it makes buying used stuff a bit more tricky.
Then the US got engaged in wars (real and proxy) against democratically-elected presidents, toppling democracies and installing their own dictators.
The key is that we have also done the opposite, we have helped people in poverty, fought dictators for democracy and have helped countless people live a better life. This very fact is what differentiates us from all other superpowers throughout history. The fact that the world considers free democracy the standard barer for national governance is a direct consequence of our actions.
History will repeat itself while people like you are blind to it.
What I am worried about is that history may not repeat itself, and we will have lost the brightest beacon of hope in this world.
That's all well and good except under one the politically active get hauled away in the middle of the night and are never heard from again and the others stand for office or alternatively vent on their blogs. I'll let you guess which is which.
While I am glad you are striving to hold the world to a higher standard, I am simply asking people to take a step back and see how far we have come, and to appreciate what we have. I feel that having a dismissive attitude about how far we have come is a real danger as people don't realise how foreign many things we take for granted are around the world - even in places we might consider otherwise western.
The way you seem to have equated a religious dictatorship, one that persecuted minorities of the racial and religious variety, with a multi-cultural, multi-religious, rule-of-law bound, personal freedom focused democracy albeit one with a disproportionate influence in governance from the rich is an example of this, in my mind, dismissive attitude.
If you look above, you will note I was replying to a previous comment on a slightly different track. And yes slashdot is really biased against whatever you happen to believe in, and otherwise never goes off track to discuss things they find interesting.
Perhaps you could rewrite this without the rambling... its often best just to get to the point otherwise your message is easily lost.
Kurds in turkey suffer no matter what the government. The islamists are not fans, neither were the supporters of ataturk. Since gaining power they have continued their attacks on the kurdish part of Iraq, as well as the kurds within turkey. If you think your lot is going to improve with them, you are sorely mistaken. The best hope of the Kurds is a separate country (kurdistan), or the realisation of the dream of a secular and western turkey. Neither is going to be achieved without outside help.
Because a country under Sharia law is never in practice a democracy. Also there is no such thing as a liberal reading of Sharia law, the people who are liberals dont want sharia law, and the people who do want it, certainly are not going to water it down. So the only possible liberal reading of sharia law is one where its not read at all.
As an aside, to all the people who bring the US into unrelated conversations - take a look at its history - the US is by a wide margin the historically the best (in terms of how they treat others) superpower of all time. They make mistakes a-plenty (some on purpose too) - but bringing them into comparisons of islamists or the like as if you would not care if a country like Iran replaced the US as the main superpower in the world is just plain and simple stupid. Please take a step back and consider what you are saying.
It is indeed to do with the AKP party - but that is nothing new for turkey - what is new that this time the army has not responded with a coup as it normally does when religious folk get out of control in turkey. I think it has happened at least 3 or 4 times so far. Since their election turkey has moved closer to Iran, and with the blockade stunt now has taken leadership of the 'resistance bloc' (as well as caused their religious followers to go totally bat shit crazy on the streets (see some of the photos)). Basically barring the army doing anything turkey has left both the western and secular realm.
This situation is quite interesting as the majority has repeatedly elected, what is basically, an Islamist party into power. The west has made it clear they dont want the army to intervene this time, but that is the only thing that can save Turkey from the Islamists. What the hell are you supposed to do if you believe in democracy but democracy spawns people who bring it down?
Ok I was wrong - you do see child pornography as equivalent to Muhammad images.
If hillbillies lynch and murder the photographer us Westerners don't get too uptight about it, we see it as two things we don't like canceling one another out.
I don't know which country you live in but vigilante justice always ends in a jail term. I have seen even the worst of paedophiles given round the clock police protection due to threats. We may not like them but we obey the rule of law. I dont see this happening in the Muslim world at all, in fact Iran offers a reward to those who kill people for insulting Islam.
Simply take a look at your own sensitivities and you'll grok why it counterproductive to trample theirs.
Feel free to compromise your ideals at the threat of violence, but you wont garner any respect from me, or for that matter from Muslims either.
But its hard to argue ID is - given that its less than a decade old, only really disbanded a few years ago, and never really went anywhere. So its difficult to justify teaching it in history class when there are so many other important events and movements that actually did have an important impact on the world.
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Have u watched any of the SC or SC2 tournaments? - they are very fun to watch.
I believe the explanation was he chose to avoid a constitutional crisis.
Now I know you are not endorsing this - but that reason makes no sense - he would be defending the constitution by exposing fraud, and would do more damage to it by letting fraud go unchecked then any constitutional crisis could do.
Not to mention that this man once argued in court that he had the power of king George, and was above the law - so I hardly see him avoiding constitutional crises.
Nixon was paranoid - this goes a long way to explain his behaviour.
Let us start with the observation that vote fraud is as american as apple pie. Consider jfk vs nixon. The vote fraud in Texas and Chicag gave the race to jfk. Nixon knew this AND had court room style proof.
If he had court room style proof, why did he not submit it to the, you know, courtroom?
As far as I know nixon believed that jfk stole the election but I have never seen any proof of this actually being true. Nixon also believed a lot of other things which make it difficult to take him seriously.
That particular point might make sense if it was a republican vs democrat, but since this guy had no staff or following, and the democrats wanted the other guy why would they do this exactly?
Party politics aside - I don't really know what anyone from any govt. could have done about this. Once the thing blows all you can do is make sure the people responsible are doing all they can do fix it, and are adequately punished. After all they know best how to fix the mess, and have plenty of reason do to so (i.e. the quicker they fix it the less they pay over all).
The problem I see with this being some kind of fraud - is what kind of idiot would choose, as their puppet, this person. There must be hundreds of people who, in return for a hefty sum, would do your bidding, all while looking a whole lot more respectable. This looks to me more like a case of people voting for the 'other guy' without actually knowing who the other guy is.
AS I SAID *after* the war had ended, so too had the killings. To label Lenin a murderer because he killed people during his Civil War, means you'd also have to label George Washington and other U.S. Founders as murderers during their own civil war (1775-83).
Neither are civil wars a green light for mass murder of civilians nor did lenin stop the terror after the war (it didnt stop until he died) - I'm not sure why you are trying to defend him - you don't really have a ledge to stand on.
The connection to Obama is that he wants the Government to be the single payer for Trains, Mail service, Retirement savings, Hospitals, Internet hookups, and so on. Or if he can't have that, he wants government to run the private corporations board room, as is the case with GM. i.e. It's a centralized government-run economy that he desires. Not all once of course, but that's his ultimate goal over the next ten years.
I know you don't realise, but you are suffering from exactly the same total derangement that liberals had when bush was in power. Where did this bat-shit crazy come from? Centralised government run economy? You are taking isolated examples and turning them into some kind of conspiracy theory when its quite frankly obvious that nothing of the like is going on.
:/
I had to listen to this sort of shit from liberals for 8 years
Its the same stuff as people calling democrats communist, its just a place-holder for things they dont like, without giving too much though to reality.
I don't recall Lenin doing that either, after the old dictatorship had been toppled, a new government had been instituted and peace achieved. He even quit fighting World War 1 since he considered it a waste of lives.
You know, for someone who supposedly hates the hard left as much as you do, that statement would even make the most hardened communist apologists nervous.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Terror for just some of what he did.
Although this does explain why you think Obama comparisons are reasonable
Embryos don't make their bodies by just grouping a bunch of stem cells in a roughly humanoid shape and then the cells know what to do to make arms and brains. It's complicated.
While it is complicated, what you have said there is actually a good simple explanation for how it is done. There is no real central command for differentiation, the cells make decisions in a almost completely distributed manner.
Not in all cases, as an extreme example, the nazis would not have stopped with their hatred of jews despite any actions by the jews. Now if you read the press in the middle east you will note that it only loosely conforms to reality, and the US and Israel are blamed for pretty much everything, their fault or not. There a just so many conspiracy theories, such distortion of facts that even if we went there to plant flowers it would be constructed as some kind of diabolical plot.
Basically the west needs to do its best, but not be under any misconception that everybody will give praise where its due.
FYI most Kurds are Muslims - they are mainly persecuted because they are ethnic minorities rather than religious minorities.
Its not a great danger given that its mainly for new appliances - as long as they require all appliances sold as new to have up to date stickers, which is suspect is that case. Of-course it makes buying used stuff a bit more tricky.
Actually I've recently noticed they actually re-scale them every once in a while.
Then the US got engaged in wars (real and proxy) against democratically-elected presidents, toppling democracies and installing their own dictators.
The key is that we have also done the opposite, we have helped people in poverty, fought dictators for democracy and have helped countless people live a better life. This very fact is what differentiates us from all other superpowers throughout history. The fact that the world considers free democracy the standard barer for national governance is a direct consequence of our actions.
History will repeat itself while people like you are blind to it.
What I am worried about is that history may not repeat itself, and we will have lost the brightest beacon of hope in this world.
That's all well and good except under one the politically active get hauled away in the middle of the night and are never heard from again and the others stand for office or alternatively vent on their blogs. I'll let you guess which is which.
While I am glad you are striving to hold the world to a higher standard, I am simply asking people to take a step back and see how far we have come, and to appreciate what we have. I feel that having a dismissive attitude about how far we have come is a real danger as people don't realise how foreign many things we take for granted are around the world - even in places we might consider otherwise western.
The way you seem to have equated a religious dictatorship, one that persecuted minorities of the racial and religious variety, with a multi-cultural, multi-religious, rule-of-law bound, personal freedom focused democracy albeit one with a disproportionate influence in governance from the rich is an example of this, in my mind, dismissive attitude.
See the comment I was responding to
If you look above, you will note I was replying to a previous comment on a slightly different track. And yes slashdot is really biased against whatever you happen to believe in, and otherwise never goes off track to discuss things they find interesting.
Perhaps you could rewrite this without the rambling... its often best just to get to the point otherwise your message is easily lost.
Kurds in turkey suffer no matter what the government. The islamists are not fans, neither were the supporters of ataturk. Since gaining power they have continued their attacks on the kurdish part of Iraq, as well as the kurds within turkey. If you think your lot is going to improve with them, you are sorely mistaken. The best hope of the Kurds is a separate country (kurdistan), or the realisation of the dream of a secular and western turkey. Neither is going to be achieved without outside help.
Because a country under Sharia law is never in practice a democracy. Also there is no such thing as a liberal reading of Sharia law, the people who are liberals dont want sharia law, and the people who do want it, certainly are not going to water it down. So the only possible liberal reading of sharia law is one where its not read at all.
As an aside, to all the people who bring the US into unrelated conversations - take a look at its history - the US is by a wide margin the historically the best (in terms of how they treat others) superpower of all time. They make mistakes a-plenty (some on purpose too) - but bringing them into comparisons of islamists or the like as if you would not care if a country like Iran replaced the US as the main superpower in the world is just plain and simple stupid. Please take a step back and consider what you are saying.
You know, for all the faults of the US etc., it really doesn't belong in a conversation about islamists.
It is indeed to do with the AKP party - but that is nothing new for turkey - what is new that this time the army has not responded with a coup as it normally does when religious folk get out of control in turkey. I think it has happened at least 3 or 4 times so far. Since their election turkey has moved closer to Iran, and with the blockade stunt now has taken leadership of the 'resistance bloc' (as well as caused their religious followers to go totally bat shit crazy on the streets (see some of the photos)). Basically barring the army doing anything turkey has left both the western and secular realm.
This situation is quite interesting as the majority has repeatedly elected, what is basically, an Islamist party into power. The west has made it clear they dont want the army to intervene this time, but that is the only thing that can save Turkey from the Islamists. What the hell are you supposed to do if you believe in democracy but democracy spawns people who bring it down?
Aus too...
If hillbillies lynch and murder the photographer us Westerners don't get too uptight about it, we see it as two things we don't like canceling one another out.
I don't know which country you live in but vigilante justice always ends in a jail term. I have seen even the worst of paedophiles given round the clock police protection due to threats. We may not like them but we obey the rule of law. I dont see this happening in the Muslim world at all, in fact Iran offers a reward to those who kill people for insulting Islam.
Simply take a look at your own sensitivities and you'll grok why it counterproductive to trample theirs.
Feel free to compromise your ideals at the threat of violence, but you wont garner any respect from me, or for that matter from Muslims either.
But its hard to argue ID is - given that its less than a decade old, only really disbanded a few years ago, and never really went anywhere. So its difficult to justify teaching it in history class when there are so many other important events and movements that actually did have an important impact on the world.