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Digitally Filtering Out the Drone of the World Cup

qubezz writes "World Cup soccer fans may think a hornet's nest has infiltrated their TVs. However the buzz that is the background soundtrack of the South African-hosted games comes from tens of thousands of plastic horns called vuvuzelas, that are South Africa's version of ringing cowbells or throwing rats. It looks like the horns won't be banned anytime soon though. A savvy German hacker, 'Tube,' discovered that the horn sound can be effectively filtered out by applying a couple of digital notch filters to the audio at the frequencies the horn produces (another summary in English). Now it looks like even broadcasters like the the BBC and others are considering using such filters on their broadcasts."

602 comments

  1. I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    My TV already has a digital filter. Its called the off switch.

    1. Re:I dont need it. by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think that might be more accurately described as a binary filter.

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    2. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think that might be more accurately described as a binary filter.

      Think of what he is using to operate the switch, buddy.

    3. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't filter his finger, buddy.

    4. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you toggle it quickly enough, you might be able to mix the sound down to baseband.

    5. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Think of what he is using to operate the switch, buddy.

      I'd rather not. And don't call me buddy, pal.

    6. Re:I dont need it. by Longjmp · · Score: 1

      more like an unary filter: once you turn the filter on (the TV off) you miss all of the 11 ;)

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    7. Re:I dont need it. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      My TV already has a digital filter. Its called the off switch.

      So when you get angry, do you flip it off?

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    8. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Relevant:
      http://stuffwhitepeoplelike.com/2008/01/26/28-not-having-a-tv/

    9. Re:I dont need it. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      No need to turn it off, just change the channel to a real sport.

      Heh what do Slashdotters consider a real sport? Pod Races?

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    10. Re:I dont need it. by commodore64_love · · Score: 0

      Such overkill.

      All you really need to do is press the mute button, and read the subtitles on the game. :-) Now if only Telefutura would translate those subs to English. DTV gives me 6 options for language - and they're all spanish.

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    11. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      DING DING DING! Sir, I'd like to let you know that you have won the Slashdot "Sperglord Post of the Year" award.

      Let's break this one down for all the viewers out there, John:

      "I have a better idea" - I am superior to everyone posting in this thread, particularly the parent.

      "Change the channel to something that isn't a sport at all" - I don't like games that are based on physical activity and skill. Sports are for dumb jocks who have no higher brain functions whatsoever. Now excuse my while I grab my 2-liter of Mountain Dew and Doritos and go raid Sunwell (or insert other WoW raid here, I'm not up on the current MMO trends)

      "Spectator sports are a complete waste of time." - I don't like sports, and therefore they are a waste of time. Never mind that my previous suggestion was to CHANGE THE CHANNEL TO SOMETHING ELSE, and that any television watching could easily be construed as a waste of time. You see, the fansubbed Anime imports I watch are not a waste of time, they are high art that is clearly superior to watching near physically superhuman athletes compete at the top of their game against some of the most skilled opponents they will ever face.

      So you see, sports are pointless and the only people who enjoy them are meatheads. Thank you, Grisnakh, for helping to perpetuate the stereotype that all Slashdot posters are scrawny, basement dwelling nerds that can't participate in activities that most well-adjusted human beings can enjoy.

    12. Re:I dont need it. by yotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your life must be so horrible if you waste no time, at all, ever.

    13. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better yet don't even turn the TV on. After all we can get our fave shows online anyway so who needs a TV. Without it we are free from that ridiculous "sport" thing that everyone always goes on about. I didnt spend many years developing a nice healthy vampire-esque paleness and aversion to sunlight and exercise to suddenly care about running around a pitch kicking balls.

    14. Re:I dont need it. by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He's on here isn't he?

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    15. Re:I dont need it. by coaxial · · Score: 1

      Unlike sitting there and watching everything else that's one television.

      OOO! New Stargate!

    16. Re:I dont need it. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      No, coding contests.

    17. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Don't call me pal, friend.

    18. Re:I dont need it. by Capsaicin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      just change the channel to a real sport

      Sport?! This isn't mere sport, it's the World Cup man!

      Some people think football is a matter of life and death. I assure you, it's much more serious than that
      -- Bill Shankly

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    19. Re:I dont need it. by miggyb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Chess Boxing

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    20. Re:I dont need it. by Grishnakh · · Score: 0, Troll

      While a little stale, Stargate is a big improvement over watching a bunch of sweaty men chase a ball around. Heck, I'd much rather watch ballet than sports; the people are much more attractive. I really wonder if male sports fans don't have homoerotic fantasies.

    21. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      How about actually playing a sport instead of playing one vicariously like most sports fanatics do?

    22. Re:I dont need it. by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      It's called Battle Chess and we stopped playing that several years ago when some overly hairy guy 'won' by ripping his opponent's arm from its socket.

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    23. Re:I dont need it. by sznupi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's probably mostly about vestiges of tribalism, finding some completelly arbitrary "us vs. them"

      Which might be not such a bad idea if it's the only practical way of releasing steam... (hey, at my place "sport fans" groups fight mostly with each other for some time now, even in basically predetrmined time and location, a bit out of sight)

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    24. Re:I dont need it. by Capsaicin · · Score: 0, Troll

      Spectator sports are a complete waste of time.

      Do you seriously prefer war?

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    25. Re:I dont need it. by afidel · · Score: 1

      Or have a good home theater that uses the sound to put you into the stadium =)

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    26. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's good ways to waste time, and bad ways.

      Soccer on television is a bad one. At least if I bore myself to death on C-Span I can be snooty and pretentious about it.

    27. Re:I dont need it. by yotto · · Score: 1

      While Obvious Troll is being obvious, I'm still going to say that I'm a male sports fan and while I enjoy looking at the ladies in various sports, while I'm watching men play those same sports I'm do not get sexually aroused.

    28. Re:I dont need it. by timeOday · · Score: 3, Insightful
      I can't seem to care about team sports either, but I kind of wish I could. Just zoning out on the couch once in a while, arousing dusty old instincts, picking a tribe to belong to, having all these strong vicarious emotions, which (after a designated amount of time) come to a tidy conclusion one way or another, and you go on with your real life with an inconsequential little thing to celebrate or complain about.

      My plan is to learn American football by getting Madden late this summer so I can appreciate more of the complexity of the game and get drawn in. Maybe that will work.

    29. Re:I dont need it. by Jawnn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I have a better idea: change the channel to something that isn't a sport at all. Watching stick and ball games is a complete waste of time.

      There. Fixed that for ya. Motorsports, anyone?

    30. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't call yourselves pal, friend or whatever, dudes.

    31. Re:I dont need it. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      How about everyone pursuing peaceful hobbies instead? What makes you think not having sports would lead to war? That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of.

    32. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I have a better idea: change the channel to something that isn't a sport at all. Spectator sports are a complete waste of time.

      I love it when Slashdot posts tell me something is a complete waste of time.

    33. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This was amazing (and dead-on!).

    34. Re:I dont need it. by worx101 · · Score: 1

      Exactly, where is the fun in watching? Its like watching someone play any video game. Maybe interesting for the first few minutes, but it qets boring pretty quickly.

    35. Re:I dont need it. by mortonda · · Score: 1

      I have a better idea: change the channel to something that isn't a sport at all. Spectator sports are a complete waste of time.

      Says someone who took the time to reply to a thread in Slashdot.

    36. Re:I dont need it. by Klinky · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...while I'm watching men play those same sports I'm do not get sexually aroused.

      Hmm seems a little bit Freudian...

    37. Re:I dont need it. by sglewis100 · · Score: 1

      Or have a good home theater that uses the sound to put you into the stadium =)

      In Soviet Russia, stadium puts sound in you!

    38. Re:I dont need it. by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not your friend, buddy.

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    39. Re:I dont need it. by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Or use the EQ on your TV if it has one or the EQ on your Surround sound.

      He "discovered" something that most people have known for decades... using a notch filter takes out unwanted frequencies.

      Wow! Just think what they could do with that when we discover radio!

      P.S.: they were already doing this at the stadium on the crowd mics, they just wanted to leave it in for the "effect" but they already were notching it a little bit to reduce the impact.

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    40. Re:I dont need it. by camperdave · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sport?! This isn't mere sport, it's the World Cup man!

      You say that as if it were cricket.

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    41. Re:I dont need it. by Capsaicin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What makes you think not having sports would lead to war? That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of

      Team sport as sublimated war --that's a new concept to you? Wow!

      Now personally I have little interest in sport, but unlike you I don't begrudge others their entertainment. In any case international football is quite another matter from sport.

      Speaking as a German (as I sometimes am) if you don't let us win either the European or World Cup every few decades we start the tanks rolling! ;) Seriously though, it is arguable that without the Wunder von Bern of 1954 we would not have witnessed the full blossoming of the Wirtschaftswunder of the late 50s and 60s, (only arguable though, because even by '54 the German economy was growing astoundingly). What is certain is that the euphoria that swept West Germany following Bern invigorated a thoroughly demoralised population and irreversibly affected the ideological complexion of the new country. A demoralised economically crippled Germany has not historically proven a good recipe for peace in Europe.

      Fussball, moreover, affords one of the few socially acceptable avenues for expressing national pride. Safely contained within the stadium (hopefully), after the 90 minutes are up everyone goes home and once more become good Europeans. And it is by no means only in Germany that football is central to national idenity.

      If you mistake what is happening in South Africa right now for sport, you simply don't grok it.

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    42. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Motorsports, anyone?

      Waste of fuel.

    43. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you for implying that people who choose not to watch/play sports are scrawny, basement-dwelling nerds.
      Clearly it was wrong for those people to not watch or participate in something they have no personal interest in.
      Who do they think they are, empowered to spend their time the way they want to?

    44. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Spectator sports are like watching a game of pong instead of playing it.

    45. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Change the channel to something that isn't a sport at all" - I don't like games that are based on physical activity and skill. Sports are for dumb jocks who have no higher brain functions whatsoever."

      In your outraged fervor, you're missing the important point. He didn't say sports sucked. He said spectator sports sucked. WATCHING football or soccer does not make you a jock or an athlete; it makes you a passive observer, less active than even playing a videogame.

      PLAYING a sport is a different matter altogether, and may provide substantial rewards. Watching other people play sports? What a boring and passive hobby.

    46. Re:I dont need it. by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      You say that as if it were cricket.

      Test or that one-day muck?

      Test cricket is about my favourite sport not to watch, and I mean that in the kindest sense. You know the Sunday barbie in Summer, the Test on the tele is droning in the background. You go in to get a beer out of the fridge and look just long enough to see a few runs and get the score. When you get outside someone asks, "What's the score mate."
      "We're 312 for 5."
      "S'long as we beat the bloody poms.

      And think, if by some miracle the Socceroos get out of the group in 2nd place we'll most probably have the opportunity to chuck them out of the World Cup. Sweet! Doesn't look we have the team for it this time round after what my other team did to them (my wife who isn't 1/2 German isn't talking to me at the moment!)

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    47. Re:I dont need it. by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep, that's the way I feel about it. I like playing games (including team sports on occasion), but I have zero desire to watch other people play them.

    48. Re:I dont need it. by t0qer · · Score: 2, Funny

      Do you seriously prefer war?

      I prefer porn and baitin.

    49. Re:I dont need it. by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      Yeah.There is not way to get enjoyment from watching professionals at work. Football, chess, just name it. Not even if you've dabbled in it yourself. Not even if you're watching it with your friends. Meh.

      It can't get much more boring than watching incredibly talented people doing their stuff.

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    50. Re:I dont need it. by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      I don't like watching sports either, but I don't think it's a complete waste of time if you enjoy doing it.

    51. Re:I dont need it. by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      What makes you think not having sports would lead to war? That's about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of

      Team sport as sublimated war --that's a new concept to you? Wow!

      The problem with your idea is that there is no such thing as "blowing off steam", only an endorphin rush associated with displaying anger which rewards feeling anger and displaying it. Warlike sports make us more warlike, they don't produce a pressure relief.

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    52. Re:I dont need it. by myowntrueself · · Score: 1

      I really wonder if male sports fans don't have homoerotic fantasies.

      Theres a King Missile song, suited to this kind of pondering.

      Heres a few observations from the song:

      Sports are gay, especially contact sports, unless you're the only guy on both teams, in which case it's straight.

      Watching pornography alone is neutral, like eating a sandwich. It's neither straight nor gay.
      Watching pornos with one or more other guys in the room, no matter how many other women are also in the room, is gay.
      Watching porn, even gay porn, with one or more women ONLY is straight.

      Like a guy calls me up and says, "A bunch of us guys are gonna sit around in our underwear and watch the football game and drink beer and eat chips and, you know, maybe wrestle with each other, just us guys. You wanna come over?" And I'm like, "No."

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    53. Re:I dont need it. by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      Says someone who took the time to reply to a thread in Slashdot.
      and it was a reply to an AC post at that!

    54. Re:I dont need it. by siloko · · Score: 1, Insightful

      He said spectator sports sucked.

      er you seem to be having trouble with reading comprehension. A spectator sport is a sport which attracts spectators e.g. Almost any mainstream sport. This is not the same as being a sports spectator. The GP was commenting on the type of sport (spectator sport) and not those watching it and saying that they suck. This seems like a blanket statement that deserved the ridicule it got!

    55. Re:I dont need it. by Cassius+Corodes · · Score: 1

      Have u watched any of the SC or SC2 tournaments? - they are very fun to watch.

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    56. Re:I dont need it. by worx101 · · Score: 1

      Your sarcasm is noted, but what you are saying rings 100% true to me. Much rather be playing myself than watching someone else play. No matter how great they are at or how bad I am at it.

    57. Re:I dont need it. by Capsaicin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem with your idea ...

      It's hardly my idea.

      ... is that there is no such thing as "blowing off steam", only an endorphin rush associated with displaying anger which rewards feeling anger and displaying it. Warlike sports make us more warlike, they don't produce a pressure relief.

      Which is pretty much the argument used by people who want to ban violent video games, yes?

      I don't entirely disagree with you, but I do think that you are being too simplistic here.

      For a start sports don't have to be explicitly "warlike" to function as sublimated war (Freud's idea, I believe). Of course violent video games, or as you may prefer "violence training simulators," are inherently violent, it is (imagined) violence being reinforced.

      Reinforcing shooting balls into a net, or more relevantly watching balls being shot into the net by "your" team, would not seem so obviously to encourage bellicosity. [In fact I doubt that violent video games engender violence in all or even most users. It is quite possible that what encourages behaviour in one individual is actually cathartic in others --but I'm simply disagreeing with you here.]

      Secondly your statement that there is "only" and endorphin rush fails to appreciate the pharmacological complexities of the situation. At least as important here is the adrenaline (US: epinephrine) rush. Our sympathetic ("flight or fight") nervous system is but rarely stimulated as it was in our evolutionary past. Driving fast, skydiving and many sports, including I would argue watching team sport (where we have a strong emotional investment in the team), engage it and literally "let off steam" which would otherwise manifest as non-specific anxiety and stress.

      Finally my point was not so much about individual physiology or even psychological catharsis, but about the historical and cultural inscriptions which national football bears, especially in post-WWII Europe. To appreciate this requires an examination of C18th nationalist reaction to the Vormärz, the subsequent migration of the ideology of nation from the left to the right of the political spectrum, and how what was originally a movement of liberation led directly to the gates of Auschwitz. It requires an understanding of the role inter alia of sport, and first and foremost football, in containing the European curse, which, especially in the areas placed in suspended animation by Soviet rule, can still show it's destructive face today.

      In the face of Srebenica, shooting balls into a net seems rather more harmless to me.

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    58. Re:I dont need it. by Hognoxious · · Score: 3, Informative

      hey, at my place "sport fans" groups fight mostly with each other for some time now, even in basically predetrmined time and location, a bit out of sight

      Isn't the first rule that you don't talk about it?

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    59. Re:I dont need it. by Sulphur · · Score: 1

      That's Beowulf Chess.

    60. Re:I dont need it. by hashp · · Score: 1

      But are you a soccer fan?

    61. Re:I dont need it. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It'd be nice if the BBC had subtitles in English. Live stuff is often complete gibberish - it's either done by an illiterate monkey or some flaky software.

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    62. Re:I dont need it. by kasimbaba · · Score: 1

      I believe the GP is alluding to the fact that digit is another term for "fingers and toes".

      Digital filter, get it?

    63. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can see the sweat? What TV do you use?

    64. Re:I dont need it. by dintech · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thank you, Grisnakh, for helping to perpetuate the stereotype that all Slashdot posters are scrawny, basement dwelling nerds that can't participate in activities that most well-adjusted human beings can enjoy.

      How in the hell did you get that from what he said? Surely it should be...

      Thank you, Grisnakh, for helping to perpetuate the stereotype that all Slashdot posters are obese, basement dwelling nerds that can't participate in activities that most well-adjusted human beings can enjoy.

    65. Re:I dont need it. by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      It's not really my cup of tea either, but I decided to watch a few matches anyway. Ended up reading a book for one and a half, but managed to enjoy the N-Korea's match. This, because of several reasons.
      First of all I felt sorry for the players of N-Korea[*] (although this was lessened as the commentator told that a couple of them play abroad). Second, I wanted Brazil to win[*], but not by much (and I was quite happy with the result). Third, the N-Korean players were sympathetic and even chivalrous compared to Brazilian players.

      And perhaps most importantly, I learned to see what's happening. Mistakes made, lost and used possibilities, the skills of the teams. All this made it enjoyable.

      Will I keep watching football? Not really. But perhaps a match or two from these games, and perhaps again in the next world cup.

      But perhaps in your view I'm strange, considering that I've also enjoyed watching someone coding (very efficiently).

      [*] influenced by my dislike of N-Korea's regime

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    66. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So you see, sports are pointless and the only people who enjoy them are meatheads.

      watching sport IS pointless.

      Why not, y'know, go outside and PLAY football?
      oh and superhuman? really? in the case of football, that's hardly true, they're generally kids who got lucky being born with the ultimately useless ability to kick a ball a certain way.

    67. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not your buddy guy!

    68. Re:I dont need it. by Gordonjcp · · Score: 1

      They're done by a shorthand typist using something similar to T9. There's a name for the system but I can't remember it offhand.

    69. Re:I dont need it. by korean.ian · · Score: 1

      Because you could never learn something from watching professionals play. No sir. Or derive enjoyment from watching a play that has been well-executed.
      Uh-oh: the jocks are posting on slashdot. What next, they start coding in your favorite language?
      The horror, the horror.

    70. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thank you. This is a non-story.

    71. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even better, use the *mute* button.
      Benefits: You still get to watch the football, but without the constant annoying drone. Plus you don't get to hear the commentators' inane drivel. *PLUS*, even better, when the adverts come on, you don't get the sudden overwhelming increase in volume where you would normally have to reach for the mute button anyway! :)

    72. Re:I dont need it. by gnomeza · · Score: 1

      s/Spectator sports/Computer games/g
      Fixed that for you...

    73. Re:I dont need it. by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Not for everyone. During this World Cup, and indeed with most international football tournaments, there are large groups of people getting together, supporting different teams, and all enjoying the matches and the company. For them, the "us" you speak of is "everyone", and the "them" they are against is "not having a laugh". It's very easy to try to define hundreds of millions of people in one 14-word sentence. It's very difficult to do that accurately, which you just proved.

    74. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Its like watching someone play any video game. Maybe interesting for the first few minutes, but it qets boring pretty quickly.

      Absolute fucking bullshit.

      My brother and I have a lot of laughs playing Just Cause 2 because you don't have to 'stick to the plot', we often have fun just seeing what the physics of the game allow, like how big a truck can you drag behind you and then fly with a Harrier Jump Jet style plane - answer: about the size of an ordinary car, any bigger and you can't fly because it swings about too much, fucking funny though trying to fly with a truck attached to your plane.

      Then there's jumping on innocent bystandars cars, shooting the odd car until your wanted level goes up and then having fun with the authorities chasing you while you use your grappling hook/wire thing to attach the bikes/cars/people to the ground as they're chasing you while you're stood on a car/truck.

      Plus a heap more things to do with the various cars/vans/bikes/planes/jets/helicoptors in the vast terrain.

    75. Re:I dont need it. by stealth_finger · · Score: 0

      I'm not your buddy, guy.

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    76. Re:I dont need it. by stealth_finger · · Score: 0

      Or use the EQ on your TV if it has one or the EQ on your Surround sound.

      He "discovered" something that most people have known for decades... using a notch filter takes out unwanted frequencies.

      Wow! Just think what they could do with that when we discover radio!

      P.S.: they were already doing this at the stadium on the crowd mics, they just wanted to leave it in for the "effect" but they already were notching it a little bit to reduce the impact.

      I can just imagine the BBC sound techs going. "We can do what with notch filters?" From what I hear though theres alot of other favourable sounds occupying the same kind of range

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    77. Re:I dont need it. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It seems to confuse homophones, which made me think it used speech recognition.

      Butt off cause, you men's our caper bull oft tattoo.

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    78. Re:I dont need it. by rikkards · · Score: 1

      Yes and video games cause mass murder.
      Same argument and still wrong

    79. Re:I dont need it. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      there are large groups of people getting together, supporting different teams, and all enjoying the matches and the company. For them, the "us" you speak of is "everyone"

      Where's the fun in that? I bet you chant things like:

      # kumbaya and have a go, if you think you're soft enough /#

      # you'll get a sandal wrapped around your head, you'll get a sandal wrapped around your head/#

      # sing when we're winning, we only sing when we're winning. Or losing, or drawing. After all it's the taking part that counts /#

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    80. Re:I dont need it. by tonique · · Score: 1

      I'm neither your NTSC.

    81. Re:I dont need it. by baka_toroi · · Score: 1

      You mean a Stenotype?

    82. Re:I dont need it. by geggo98 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      The problem is not to get the Vuvuzela sound out, the real difficulty is to keep as much of the other sounds as possible.

      If you use your television's equalizer you will filter too much sound which in effect kills the atmospehre.

      Getting the right sound in while letting the annoying Vuvuzela out is some seriuous job in sound enigneering. But hey, everything one doesn't understand must be easy to do, right?

    83. Re:I dont need it. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes and video games cause mass murder.
      Same argument and still wrong

      It's wrong if you use it to support a conclusion like "video games cause mass murder". What violent video games DON'T do is they DON'T make someone less violent. They don't necessarily make someone moreso, either. I have always maintained that if a video game pushes you over the edge, you were already broken.

      --
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    84. Re:I dont need it. by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Hey, so you have shown that there might be another way of looking at any possible vestiges of tribalism at play here (generally getting together in large group and letting everything just flow would fit, too)...does that immediatelly invalidate the possibility of general underlying factors?

      You seem to be under impression that it was mostly about things going the way of "sport fans" that I mentioned - I meant it just as quite striking case.

      Plus, from what I see, even when watching a game of two teams quite unknown to them, people tend to choose a side they root for; however temporary it would be, however arbitrary.
      And hey, I would expect that something which also satisfies somewhat our quite basic urges brings pleasure, joy, ...fun.

      --
      One that hath name thou can not otter
    85. Re:I dont need it. by AntEater · · Score: 1

      ... helping to perpetuate the stereotype that all Slashdot posters are scrawny, basement dwelling nerds that can't participate in activities that most well-adjusted human beings can enjoy.

      You make that sound like a bad thing.

      --
      Alex, I'll take keybindings not used by Emacs for $400....
    86. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not your buddy, pal.

    87. Re:I dont need it. by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      I went forward in time to the final and took this photo:

      http://images.teamtalk.com/08/01/800x600/England_v_Germany_51_scoreboard_626720.jpg

      *ahem*

      That is assuming you lucky bastards even make it to the final. ;P

    88. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      don't call me buddy, pal

    89. Re:I dont need it. by jgijanto · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm not your buddy, guy!

    90. Re:I dont need it. by delinear · · Score: 1

      Exactly, where is the fun in watching? Its like watching someone play any video game. Maybe interesting for the first few minutes, but it qets boring pretty quickly.

      It seems the key may be alcohol.

    91. Re:I dont need it. by r_jensen11 · · Score: 1

      Or Rugby

    92. Re:I dont need it. by delinear · · Score: 1

      For a lot of people, watching sports is not a waste of time because they ultimately use it as a tool for socialising - i.e. they'll talk about the big game when they get to work the next day. I can't pretend to understand the fascination with football, but likewise I can't pretend that millions of people around the world aren't fascinated by it, and if they derive enjoyment from watching it, who am I to argue unless I'm willing to give up my enjoyable hobbies which they might not like? As for your final statement, I guess we could apply the same logic to any outstanding human endeavour - chess masters are just kids who got lucky being born with the kind of brain that understands chess - of course that discounts the many hours of practice that both chess masters and footballers put in to keep at the top of their game, but that fact would run counter to your rhetoric so I understand you leaving it out.

    93. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now excuse my while I grab my 2-liter of Mountain Dew and Doritos and go grind my hunting skill. Only 2,500 more rats before I can buy a special type of rat to ride like a pony!

      Fixed that for you.

    94. Re:I dont need it. by lowrydr310 · · Score: 1

      That's a good point - do you really need an announcer telling you everything that's going on during a sporting event? A little chatter between the action is fine, but there's absolutely no need for play-by-play narration when you're watching the game.

    95. Re:I dont need it. by eharvill · · Score: 1

      Your sarcasm is noted, but what you are saying rings 100% true to me. Much rather be playing myself than watching someone else play. No matter how great they are at or how bad I am at it.

      I'm curious, have you ever played a sport at a competitive level? I've played several sports over the years, but soccer for 30 years at various "competitive" levels (highschool, some college and adult leagues afterwards). Sure, it would be great to go out and play, but that can be rather prohibitive at times for a million different reasons. I thoroughly enjoy watching this great tournament as I can really appreciate the skill, strategy, fitness, etc of these top teams and players. Maybe it's because I've played the game myself for so long. I also enjoy watching other sports as well and probably enjoy watching American football even more than soccer although I never played it competitively. I've never understood why people bag on someone who enjoys watching sports. List out your hobbies and I'm sure that I'll find a few that are equally as frivolous...

      --
      At night I drink myself to sleep and pretend I don't care that you're not here with me
    96. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like the joke where some guy moves out to the middle of nowhere, and he gets a knock on the door and this big bearded guy is standing there. "Hey, I'm your neighbour from the next valley", he says "and I'm throwing a part tonight, thought you might like to come, there'll be some drinking, maybe some fighting, and then some loving" - the guy, thinking it might be a good way to meet his distant neighbours says "sure, what should I wear", to which beardy replies "doesn't matter, there'll only be the two of us there".

    97. Re:I dont need it. by delinear · · Score: 1

      Unfair! Some of us would like to be doing something more productive, but we're stuck at work :)

    98. Re:I dont need it. by delinear · · Score: 1
    99. Re:I dont need it. by fbjon · · Score: 1

      Hardly a serious job: Find the loudest frequency in the stadiums (there's a minimum frequency, because the vuvuzelas are limited to one meter or less). Set your band reject filter with a steep slope around that frequency, +- half a semitone. Drop the gain on the reject band to -12dB or so, and you're done. For bonus points, tune a few notch filters to the loudest frequencies, likely corresponding to specific vuvuzela sizes commonly available.

      --
      True confidence comes not from realising you are as good as your peers, but that your peers are as bad as you are.
    100. Re:I dont need it. by delinear · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't even understand what the problem is - every World Cup game I've seen (and I admit I try to avoid them where possible) going back three decades has been incredibly noisy, with air-horns, drums, shouting and the like - one more noisy instrument isn't going to change anything. And it's not like FIFA had no way of knowing about this instrument - which apparently is always played loudly at every single match in South Africa - before they awarded them the World Cup. It's a bit disingenuous to say we're going to embrace your culture by letting you host the cup, but do you mind awfully not playing those nasty vuvuzelas?

    101. Re:I dont need it. by mikechant · · Score: 1

      do you really need an announcer telling you everything that's going on during a sporting event?
      Player identification is the important bit. I can see x passed to y but despite names of shirts, numbers and appearance it's not always easy to tell who x and y are. That's the commentator's job.

    102. Re:I dont need it. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      It's been my observation that half of us are fat and half of us are scrawney, except for those of use who attempt to pass ourselves off as normal, non-nerds. I actually started getting dates once I traded my thick glasses for contacts (later got surgery), got a decent haircut, grew a goatee, and learned how to talk using words that normal people actually understand.

    103. Re:I dont need it. by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

      Forward in time all the way to Sept 1, 2001 (the date clearly shown on the scoreboard in the photo) ? Better double-check your flux capacitor!

      --
      A post a day keeps productivity at bay.
    104. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly, where is the fun in looking? Its like looking at something someone has created. Maybe interesting for the first few minutes, but it qets boring pretty quickly.

      Ergo, art sucks, as do books - the fun is in the creating of them, hmm?

    105. Re:I dont need it. by jo_ham · · Score: 1

      When England beat Germany, we can forgive the typo - 2001 should clearly be 2010 :P

      Either way, as a Germany or an England supporter, that date and that score are well known.

    106. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Gaylord.

      [/oblig Dane Cook reference]

    107. Re:I dont need it. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      ... is that there is no such thing as "blowing off steam", only an endorphin rush associated with displaying anger which rewards feeling anger and displaying it. Warlike sports make us more warlike, they don't produce a pressure relief.

      Which is pretty much the argument used by people who want to ban violent video games, yes?

      Don’t worry. I read up on the psychology and neurology behind this, and he’s simply completely wrong. Just as those who want to ban violent video games. But considering he did not even show any arguments for why his statements would be right, that should have been clear. :)

      I have seen and proven myself, that blowing off steam is a real thing and works very well. That’s why there was this “primal therapy” movement after the 60s, where people could flip out and scream while wrecking the room, or similar strong emotional things.
      The problem is (and primal therapists nowadays love to keep silent about that), that it does not last permanently. So you have to re-do and re-do it again.

      That’s the problem that I specifically looked into and solved. What I found out, is that this “blowing off steam” is just one part of two. And the effect only lasts, if you use both, and in the right order.
      The second part is the same thing that is used in behavioral therapy. You could call it the actual processing, but that would diminish the importance of the first part.
      It is hard to explain to the average Joe, how the two parts work together, but you could say it like this:
      The first part allows you to open up the mis-association (what you may know as neuroses) you repressed. And the second part allows you to learn from them to get back to reality.
      So obviously, if you don’t do the first part, you won’t know (on an emotional level!) what actually caused it and what you should fix. Which would mean you’d fix “something” and only make it harder to find the real problem again.
      And if you don’t do the second part, you after a time forget the twists in your brain... the distortion glasses you’re wearing... and go back to the same old same old. Without ever fixing it.

      This is why we need that “blowing off steam” every now and then. And this is why modern psychotherapy hardly ever fixes people. (They don’t find the actual problem. Like having a tree that leans to the left, and moving its top branches to the right, instead of its stem. It may fall down anyway.)

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      Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
    108. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I ain't your pal, dickface!

    109. Re:I dont need it. by DaFallus · · Score: 1

      Personally, I think watching sports on TV is a waste of time because for every 5 minutes of the game, there are 10 to 15 minutes of ads. No big deal though if you just want to have it on in the background and a lot less annoying if you actually go to a game.

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      Houston TX, USA
    110. Re:I dont need it. by jejones · · Score: 1

      "Spectator sports are a complete waste of time" isn't the same as "sports are a complete waste of time". People who already believe the stereotype may take Grisnakh's post as supporting it, but I would claim it doesn't. From "A Portrait of J. Random Hacker":

      "Many (perhaps even most) hackers don't follow or do sports at all and are determinedly anti-physical. Among those who do, interest in spectator sports is low to non-existent; sports are something one does, not something one watches on TV.

      "Further, hackers avoid most team sports like the plague (volleyball is a notable exception, perhaps because it's non-contact and relatively friendly). Hacker sports are almost always primarily self-competitive ones involving concentration, stamina, and micromotor skills: martial arts, bicycling, auto racing, kite flying, hiking, rock climbing, aviation, target-shooting, sailing, caving, juggling, skiing, skating (ice and roller)....."

    111. Re:I dont need it. by lmcgeoch · · Score: 1

      I actually enjoy playing WoW while watching the World Cup. I guess according to your definition that would make me a "well-adjusted, basement dwelling nerd"

    112. Re:I dont need it. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      Yeah...I actually tried to tune in to watch a little soccer with the US against the UK I think.

      I could not for the life of me figure what the hell that buzzing sound was...but was VERY annoying, especially with a slight hangover from the night before.

      Between that, and the action getting a little boring, I couldn't watch it for long.

      I just figured something was terribly wrong with the audio portion of the broadcast...technical problems or something, but that buzzing was annoying as hell.

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    113. Re:I dont need it. by mea37 · · Score: 0

      Since you say you avoid the game, I'm not sure your vote on what the viewer's experience should be counts for anything.

      In any event, the problem isn't that they're making too much noise; the problem is that it's a really obnoxious noise that most of us would rather not hear as we're watching the game. You say it "isn't going to change anything" as if we were speculating about the future; we're not. We're reacting to what is in fact being broadcast, and it does make a difference.

      "It's a bit disingenuous to say we're going to embrace your culture by letting you host the cup, but do you mind awfully not playing those nasty vuvuzelas?"

      I think you're making a lot of senseless assumptions there, but I'll play along: Who said anything about asking them not to play the vuvuzelas? The point is the sound can be filtered out of the broadcast, so they can enjoy the game in the manner of their culture and we can enjoy the game without hearing someting that detracts from our enjoyment of the game.

      If that seems like insufficent embracing of their culture to you, too bad. I'm not sure why you think watching a soccer tournament in South Affrica is somehow a commitment to the South Affrican culture. Do we have to eat South Affrican food as we watch the game, too? South Affrica is getting the same thing out of hosting the games as every other host country; and yes, that includes an increased awareness of their culture and history.

    114. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Don't call me guy, bub

    115. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These so-called "slashdotters" perpetuate their stereotypes by the arrogant posts they make. But then, people with real lives aren't actually listening, anyway.

    116. Re:I dont need it. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "It seems the key may be alcohol."

      It does seem to make pretty much anything in life MORE interesting!!

      :)

      I've often wondered why they don't generally serve drinks at the zoo.....

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    117. Re:I dont need it. by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "For a lot of people, watching sports is not a waste of time because they ultimately use it as a tool for socialising..."

      Absolutely!!

      For me, I'm not a huge sports fan, but I love going to the local bars/sports bars with friends and drinking and eating and yelling a bit at the screen.

      Not to mentioned....often some good looking chicks at these places too, drinking, jumping, getting generally excited. Kinda primes the pump there a bit, you know?

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      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    118. Re:I dont need it. by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Slashdot isn't a waste of time; I often learn things here. I also see a few very funny comments, and laughter has been proven to improve health.

    119. Re:I dont need it. by Sharpsight · · Score: 1

      I'm not your bu-- Oh God. We've gone recursive!

    120. Re:I dont need it. by wh1pp3t · · Score: 1

      I don't even understand what the problem is - every World Cup game I've seen (and I admit I try to avoid them where possible) going back three decades has been incredibly noisy, with air-horns, drums, shouting and the like - one more noisy instrument isn't going to change anything. And it's not like FIFA had no way of knowing about this instrument - which apparently is always played loudly at every single match in South Africa - before they awarded them the World Cup. It's a bit disingenuous to say we're going to embrace your culture by letting you host the cup, but do you mind awfully not playing those nasty vuvuzelas?

      Agreed, vuvuzelas are a part of this World Cup as it is part of the African game. The issue I have is the other aspects of spectator involvement is muted by the horns -- the crowd cannot get loud during a breakaway, whistle in protest or sing chants to get under Rooney's skin.

      Of course I am 'speaking' from a specific audience perspective, but the point remains.

    121. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I generally feel that way, but there is something to be said for seeing the very best of the best do some amazing things. So I occasionally watch the championship games like the stanley cup, nba finals, superbowl, and the world cup. On the other hand, often-times the highlight reels are enough to see the amazing stuff. :) You just lose out on the tension building.

    122. Re:I dont need it. by BasilBrush · · Score: 1

      I admit I try to avoid them where possible

      Then you should probably try to avoid commenting on a topic you don't understand too.

      every World Cup game I've seen going back three decades has been incredibly noisy, with air-horns, drums, shouting and the like - one more noisy instrument isn't going to change anything.

      Those noises vary as the game progresses. The roar of the crowd as a goal chance comes, the sigh of dissapointment/relief at a miss, The singing when the fans are happy that there team is doing well. The chanting when the crowd are displeased. It's all very much part of the atmosphere of a soccer game.

      All of these crowd noises are completely drowned out by the constant drone of the vuvuzelas. And it gives nothing in return. It's an instrument with no expression. By the thousand, all it sounds like is a swarm of bees. A constant drone.

      There's no rational reason for protecting their existence. They are not a tradition - some company started making them about 12 years ago. That does not a tradition make. The right thing to do would be to ban them from the stadiums. I guess they're not going to do that because of some misguided idea of political correctness - that the european white man shouldn't be telling Africans what to do. So filtering it out for broadcast seems like a decent compromise.

      (BTW, there's nothing wrong with political correctness AFAIC. Just idiots on both sides that apply it without understanding the point.)

    123. Re:I dont need it. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      You can see blades of grass on a decent 1080p set. You can certainly see sweat, facial blemishes, etc. when the camera zooms in on people's faces.

      Are you still using an old 19" CRT set or something?

    124. Re:I dont need it. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

      That's a no-pass filter.

    125. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't call me nigger, whitey.

    126. Re:I dont need it. by Tarsir · · Score: 1

      You might have better luck with that if you weren't so busy feeling smugly superior about not being into sports. You cleverly tried to hide it, but we can all still tell it's there.

    127. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do you seriously prefer war?

      The Germans obviously do, or why would they start so many?

    128. Re:I dont need it. by ptx0 · · Score: 1

      They tried that, but the chimps don't know their limits and things just got too.. wild.

    129. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Listen Bro - Don't Bro me if ya don't know me!

    130. Re:I dont need it. by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      That's exactly the way I feel.

      You'd think being at work would be productive, but the morons managing this place have done everything they could think of to kill all productivity.

    131. Re:I dont need it. by gangien · · Score: 1

      what is this # List Item /# syntax you're doing?

    132. Re:I dont need it. by gangien · · Score: 1

      Well, if it helps there's a lot of aspects to football, which is why it's the best sport, IMO.

      There's the raw physical ability. Speed, strength, quickness. Big Hits are also fun to watch. Football isn't a contact sport, it's a collision sport.

      There's the tactical perspective that QBs especially go through, in choosing which receivers to throw to, what the hot routes are, how to handle different defensive/offensive formations

      There's the strategic aspect, which is where the coaches in their play calls, try to win the chess match, or try to exploit their oppositions weakness, or get them falling into patterns, then exploit that.

      Maybe also the execution aspect, which means that the players are all doing what they should on that play.

      Excelling in one of these areas, can at times, win you games. With the NFL you don't get such a huge variance in these things, which is one reason a lot of people prefer to watch college ball. With college ball you also get more risk taking (going for it on 4th down, trick plays) which also can make it more exciting. It also feels like players play with more emotion in college.

    133. Re:I dont need it. by gangien · · Score: 1

      If you mistake what is happening in South Africa right now for sport, you simply don't grok it.

      But that's what sports are about. It's not just soccer, it's not just the world cup, it's sports in general. The olympic gold medal hockey game was watched by a ton of americans. Many of whom, hardly know what hockey is. But these games, do get more involved, when it's nation vs nation, as opposed to city vs city.

    134. Re:I dont need it. by imAck · · Score: 1

      I'm a nerd. Chess club. Picked on. Etc. And I found that I really enjoyed American Football in high school. I wasn't any good at it. I was third string. I got flattened a lot. But what intrigued me was the complexity. Sure, there's some mindless violence at local levels, but above that, incredible sophistication and elegance at the macro and global levels. The plays and counter-plays themselves are incredibly complicated, and when you watch college and pro games live or on TV, you really are seeing two coaches playing a game of chess against one another. Spend some time in a college sports forum and watch with what detailed analysis sports nerds pick apart the plays, the strategies, etc.

      And I found that the same was true for just about any competitive sport. I spent four years as the statistician for a basketball team -- the coaches were nerds when it came to things like shot groupings, trends, etc., and the players were always looking for ways to squeeze out just a little more performance -- kind of like overclockers, only athletic.

      Your point about the 'tidy conclusion' is pertinent as well, imho. As an example of a violent civil-war rivalry turned athletic-sportsmanship competitive, consider the KU-Missouri rivalry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Border_War_(Kansas%E2%80%93Missouri_rivalry).

      Now, do I prefer spending my spare time playing MW2 over playing club sports these days. Yup. But I think that's just my medium of choice.

      --

      It's hard to tell the cool to chill, my favorite hotel room has a view to an ill.

    135. Re:I dont need it. by bazorg · · Score: 1

      enough already , dudes!

    136. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Absolutely spot on. Many argue that it was 'sport' that helped speed up the end of Apartheid. When other countries around the world started to boycott South Africa in the 1980's it focused the world on the issues.

      Also there was a Cricket Team from England that went to play in South Africa and it caused a royal stink. This was also similar to what happened with Zimbabwe a couple of years ago too. It took a sports team (again Cricket) to show our own UK Government how 'weak' it was when it sat on the fence instead of denouncing having anything to do with Zimbabwe.

      So while this is not exactly 'war' sport in this context is very powerful.

    137. Re:I dont need it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't call me friend, buddy.

    138. Re:I dont need it. by Dread_ed · · Score: 1

      I do enjoy watching some sports, however the mind altering effects of having a favorite team often seem on par with the strikingly one-sided maniacal devotion of racism and bigotry. For instance, I have witnessed people deny reality they see with their own eyes even though it is replayed for them in hi-def ultra slow-mo (That ball was IN!). I have seen paranoia and conspiracy theories spring forth spontaneously (The refs really have it in for us today!) from the minds of seemingly rational people. And I have seen unprecedented denigration of people, and by this I mean exceptionally vile, filthy, derogatory comments about players, because of the color of their jersey.

      If it wasn't for that part of team oriented sports I might have a bigger desire to watch them. Usually I end up watching the people watching the game because, to me, it is an inordinately emotional overblown train wreck. Call me morbid, but I just can't look away from the carnage. It also makes me feel a little left out at times though, like I really don't get to expereince the highs and lows like everyone else does, like I can't really understand what it is all about. Then my rational mind kicks in again and reminds me this is just a microcosm of all the grotesquely screwed up things I hate about politics, same-race relations, and religious wars. Then I feel better. Kind of...

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      When the only tool you have is a claw hammer every problem starts to look like the back of someone's skull.
  2. a day late... by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

    was at a bar watching a brewers game while the world cup was on the other tv... very annoying. i claimed it would be simple to filter it out, and confused why broadcasters weren't already doing it. no one else cared.

    1. Re:a day late... by ForAllTheFish · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, we were all thinking the noise could be filtered, this guy just was the first to act.

    2. Re:a day late... by RichardJenkins · · Score: 1

      Maybe they'd just already read this.

    3. Re:a day late... by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      i hope not... given the examples at the bottom of the article page, there is no loss of the "es" and complete removal of the buzz. the bbc article was wrong. the german sound engineers, using consumer electronics made by korg, were successful.

    4. Re:a day late... by shoehornjob · · Score: 2

      That's probably because most of them don't speek geek. I find that people who are not very tech savvy seem to filter out geek. They also tend to have a clueless look on their face after you have explained a simple concept that a 5th grader should be able to understand.

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    5. Re:a day late... by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      nah, they understood... i think it was more a respect for accurately representing what was happening at the game...

    6. Re:a day late... by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      You seem to have sports journalism confused with... journalism.

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    7. Re:a day late... by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      me? i'm telling you my guess for what other people might have been thinking... if anything they are guilty of believing sports are worthy of journalism.

    8. Re:a day late... by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      ... and in this case, international sports that happen as often as presidential elections and probably have higher combined global ratings than any other single organized short-term series of events. but, you're right... it's just some stupid idea to kick something around for no point other than to do it... and what is the point in that? why would anyone care? why SHOULD anyone care? it should be illegal to report on the outcome of sport. right?

    9. Re:a day late... by CoolVibe · · Score: 1

      Priceless comment on that site: "At least we now know where all the bees have gone... "

    10. Re:a day late... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      They also tend to have a clueless look on their face after you have explained a simple concept that a 5th grader should be able to understand.

      Maybe you're just a boring twat?

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    11. Re:a day late... by shoehornjob · · Score: 1

      I am boring and it's twit (queue the grammer nazi's). I understand most regular people don't get tech but most of what I do is very simple and does not require you to think very hard (ex: follow the cord from the modem to the router. Unplug it from the router (yes the netgear box) plug it into your computer.) Even if you don't know a damn thing anyone who has basic listening skills can do this. After repeating the same thing three or more times it finally starts to sink in. This goes back to the plug and play attitude I was talking about. People don't want to think for themselves and expect things to work out of the box. A perfect example: why can't I get wireless internet? I hooked the router up and the lights are on. Did you run the setup disk that came with the router? Oh well there's your problem. Sorry I rant too much but I see this every day and it amazes me that people are like this.

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    12. Re:a day late... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I am boring and it's twit (queue the grammer nazi's).

      Unless you did all four of those deliberately, please kill yourself.

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  3. Am I the only... by aethogamous · · Score: 2, Interesting

    person who doesn't find the noise annoying? (Just curious.)

    1. Re:Am I the only... by Charliemopps · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's no more annoying than sporting events are in general. It makes as much sense to blow one of these things as it does to kick a ball back and forth down a field.

    2. Re:Am I the only... by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      Not so much annoying as vaguely scary. I keep looking over my shoulder for attacking wasps. :P

    3. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes.

      It would be fine as a celebratory thing. But it goes on uninterrupted for the WHOLE FUCKING GAME. Why?!?

    4. Re:Am I the only... by bloodhawk · · Score: 1

      possibly, I have turned off games because of how irritating I find it and I doubt I am the only one. Noise and atmosphere are one thing, but the endless drone of those f@#$@#$ horns is just plain stupid.

    5. Re:Am I the only... by oldhack · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Cuz that's how it is in S. Africa. Stop your whining.

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    6. Re:Am I the only... by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, you're not. Not minding the sound is perfectly fine, but I've seen a lot of comments around the Internet insinuating that if you hate the sound of vuvuzelas, then you're a colonial racist who hates South African culture. As opposed to, say, someone who hates sounds that are really fucking annoying.

      Still, if the BBC and others are going to start filtering them, we get the best of both worlds. Nothing has to be banned, no ugly racial tensions are stirred, and we can watch the World Cup without being driven halfway to insanity. Count me pleased.

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    7. Re:Am I the only... by Chuck+Chunder · · Score: 1

      It just disappears into the background for me. I wonder if it helps if you've spent a reasonable amount of time around noisy computers.

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    8. Re:Am I the only... by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 1

      No, its not that annoying, at least on the TV.

      In person, I bet it's really farking annoying.

    9. Re:Am I the only... by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 1

      Because there are no more bees to sting you...

    10. Re:Am I the only... by Knara · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wait, that's all I have to do to regain my status as a colonial power?

      I never knew it would be so easy.

    11. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep. The kid with down syndrome is just that way, just let him be.

    12. Re:Am I the only... by carlzum · · Score: 2, Interesting
      I agree with you, but I didn't initially. After hearing that the first time, I wanted FIFA to put an end to it immediately. But the organization's president summed it up nicely when he said "Would you want to see a ban on the fan traditions in your country?" The knee-jerk reaction would have been to eliminate or limit the horns. I admire FIFA's decision, they valued the host nation's fans over the international media.

      The sound bothers me, but I don't want the World Cup to become a homogenized TV event like the Olympics.

    13. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why can't the Saffers just enjoy their football with racist chants like everybody else?

    14. Re:Am I the only... by horza · · Score: 5, Insightful

      if the BBC and others are going to start filtering them, we get the best of both worlds

      Except we don't. The players are unable to communicate on the pitch in any way, leading to the worst standard of play. As players cannot be warned when somebody is behind them, they just play safe and hoof the ball up the pitch just in case. The world's top players are being made to look like talentless hacks in dull low-scoring games. This may well go on to be the worst World Cup, and after this the Champions League finals may go on to eclipse the World Cup finals.

      Phillip.

    15. Re:Am I the only... by woodlander · · Score: 1

      Possibly.

    16. Re:Am I the only... by |TheMAN · · Score: 2, Insightful

      so by that logic, isn't that like saying *I* hating rap music (in general) means I "hate" bla^H^H^H^HAfrican Americans? if they're whining and moaning about outsiders imposing on their "culture", who's to say they're not doing so on all the other 31 countries' matches? what the hell does the vuvuzela have anything to do with a italian vs paraguay match (for example)? just ban the f'ing things for all matches except for when their beloved south african team plays if they want PCness the monotony and annoyance is no different than hypnosis oh and this so-called "culture" and "tradition" started in the 1990s according to various other websites I googled regarding the vuvuzela issue and it appears to be a strictly ZA thing

    17. Re:Am I the only... by Kreigaffe · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's not a tradition it's a fad. These stupid things only began to be made and sold in south africa around 2001. That's not tradition. That's a fad. They never stop. It's not just during the game.. they NEVER stop. It's dangerous to be around them without hearing protection. They've been measured at 127dB. That's louder than a rock concert.

      And would I want to see a ban on fan traditions in my country? Um.. yeah. Yeah, that would be a good idea. FIFA really SHOULD start cracking down on fans acting like self-indulgent assholes and feeling entitled to act that way because, holy shit it's FOOTBALL and obnoxious hooliganism is part of the TRADITION dontchaknow.

      At what point should they step in? How about when fan behaviour actually starts HARMING OTHER FANS.. which these horns do.
      frankly I'd be overjoyed if this world cup turns out to have received abysmally poor viewership due to these things. Maybe then they'll act.

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    18. Re:Am I the only... by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      No, let them keep doing it like retards.

      Then let the networks filter the feed if they wish.

    19. Re:Am I the only... by dominious · · Score: 2, Informative
      From wikipedia:

      The sound level of the instrument has been measured at 127 decibels contributing to football matches with dangerously high sound pressure levels for unprotected ears. A new model, however, announced on 14 June 2010, has a modified mouthpiece which is claimed to reduce the volume by 20 dB

    20. Re:Am I the only... by dominious · · Score: 1

      really? did you watch Brazil today? they know how to play no matter the sound. I think you people need to get out more.

    21. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go watch chess match instead then.

    22. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They were around long before 2001 in the US. I had some in the early 80's when I was a kid. They make A LOT of noise but they are also pretty cool to use in a swimming pool as well. You can force the big end down into the water and get a nice stream forced out the small end. You can angle it and have water squirting battles with friends. Also hold your hand over the end and see how far you could get it down in the water. My neighbor had a pear tree with thousands of small useless non edible pears on it. We used to throw them in the air and two or three kids fight for position and try to catch them with their plastic thing. You could also use it as a bat to hit the pears but it was a little too weak for that. Okay, maybe no one goes outside anymore and does random stuff like that anymore but we did and those simple plastic tubes provided cheap entertainment...

    23. Re:Am I the only... by Pteraspidomorphi · · Score: 1

      FIFA are extremely conservative. They only care about maintaining the status quo and never really make any changes or act on anything at that scale...

    24. Re:Am I the only... by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Noise cancelling headphones?

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    25. Re:Am I the only... by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      I thought the same thing about target shooting, until I did it. The nice thing there, was I didn't need to /already/ be in shape to get the enjoyment out of it. ... now, watching the sports? That I don't get.

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    26. Re:Am I the only... by kenj0418 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here in the US we are always being warned about "Africanized honey bees". I was just assuming the problem was way way worse in Africa.

    27. Re:Am I the only... by Dahamma · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Definitely - this has been REALLY noticeable in most of the matches I have watched. There have been a bunch of instances already where defenders miscommunicated so badly they gave up some really strange scoring chances. It made them and the general play of the match sometimes look completely confused and amateurish, until you realized that they just couldn't hear anything their teammates or goalkeeper was yelling at them...

    28. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except we don't. The players are unable to communicate on the pitch in any way, leading to the worst standard of play

      Which is total bullshit when you see how well decent sides like Germany, Argentina and Brazil moved the ball around. Only the rubbish like Portugal with their one decent player are complaining.

    29. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the 12th man is a home field advantage. Fans make loud noises when the opposing team is on offense, thus interfering with play calling. These vuvuzelas are not that sophisticated. They are loud the whole game, regardless of which team has the ball, or what is actually happening in the game.

    30. Re:Am I the only... by alphaseven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Would you want to see a ban on the fan traditions in your country?"

      Like a ban on thundersticks? Yes, yes I would. Those things are horrible.

    31. Re:Am I the only... by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yeah, when the World Cup was in Germany in 2006, you didn't see anyone try to hinder the traditions of violent neo-nazi hooliganism at soccer events. No way. We wouldn't want to ban things that fans like to do, even if they harm others and detract from the game.

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    32. Re:Am I the only... by glwtta · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I admire FIFA's decision, they valued the host nation's fans over the international fans.

      Let's not go pretending that this is some little guy sticking it to The Man kind of thing.

      I know that quaint ethnic traditions are pure and good and "homogenization" is evil, but when you hold an international sporting event, there's the expectation that the players should be able to play the goddamn sport without interference from the fans. It's up there with "providing a stadium", you're just kind of expected to do that.

      And yes, if the fan traditions of my country are disruptive to the game, I would very much like FIFA to ban them.

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    33. Re:Am I the only... by PRMan · · Score: 0, Troll

      possibly, I have turned off games because of how irritating I find soccer with its 1.5 goals per game...

      FTFY

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    34. Re:Am I the only... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      without being driven halfway to insanity

      I played in loud punk-rock bands as a youth, so I've got some built-in notch filters that effectively limit how much the sound of these vulvuzelas bothers me.

      My dog, is another story. I live a few blocks from the United Center here in Chicago, where the Blackhawks play. When they won the Stanley Cup recently, there was a parade around here with several people using these weird buzzy-sounding noisemakers. They drove my 8 year-old border collie-mix out of her mind. She was howling like hell. When the celebratory gunfire and fireworks started, she crawled into my closet and hid until the party slowed down about 1am.

      People celebrate sports in lots of ways. As long as nobody dies and cars don't get turned over and set on fire, I'm cool with it. Personally, when the White Sox won it all in '05, I did my share of noisemaking with my H&K, but I left the suppressor on so I wouldn't bother the neighbors. If the Cubs ever win, I'll just go to be early. I doubt there's much chance of that happening in my lifetime, however, which to me is a good thing because the Cubs suck dick, and not in a nice gay way.

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    35. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In real football--not soccer

      Soccer is real football, and so are all the other codes --just not so much ;). What kind of football are you talking about here, Rugby or Aussie Rules? I think every code, including real real football (FIFA football), has the concept of the 12th man though.

    36. Re:Am I the only... by QuantumRiff · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The first "Cheese head" was worn in a brewers game in 1987. By 1990, it was an incredibly common site. In just a few years, the term "cheeseheads" stopped being a derogatory term Chicagoans referred to Wisconsinites as, and became a term of pride for Wisconsinites. Seriously, it was a couple of years. If these horns have been going for 9 years, and they are that annoying and still used, then that is not a fad.

      A fad is something like the "who who who" people would chant at the start of the old Arsenio Hall show, that took off for one summer, then largely disappeared.

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    37. Re:Am I the only... by tverbeek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Would you want to see a ban on the fan traditions in your country?"

      Only the fucking stupid and purely assholish ones.

      This qualifies.

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    38. Re:Am I the only... by nloop · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Brazil was held scoreless for 45 minutes against a bush league minor league 100+ ranked team. Did you watch the game? Sure, their ball handing skills are still Brazilian, but something wasn't right...

    39. Re:Am I the only... by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

      if you hate the sound of vuvuzelas, then you're a colonial racist who hates South African culture

      What's funny about this, is we used to blow the exact same type of plastic horns at Toronto Argonauts CFL games when I was kid (a long time ago... at Exhibition Stadium). That was when the CFL was still a big draw in Toronto. Does that make me a colonial non-racist, or a South African?

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    40. Re:Am I the only... by catmistake · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The american viewership will be abysmal because the coverage is not even at the standard of american football 40 years ago. What they need is more angles, more cameras, flying cameras, cameras on players, gyroscopic camera in the ball, cameras on the fans, cameras on the refs, cameras on hot babes, cameras cameras cameras... and someone that is good at producing to throw it all together live, so the thing flows and isn't confusing.

      Sure, the way they shoot your football now it's like you're actually there... in the nose bleeds on one side if the field or the other. That shit is boring. I simply don't understand how there's all that money your football games, world cup... it's so much bigger than american football most Americans aren't aware... and they can't seem to understand that only Hollywood and it's decendants are any good at television, and in particular, sports coverage... I guess my point is, when you're that rich, you don't chince on the part that will make you richer... you buy the best, and instead, the foreign football games are produced by Mr. Magoo.

      Btw, not sure why they haven't been notching these frequencies out... I mean, I can't believe the first engineer (or any of the engineers since) at the first broadcast of these obnoxious and meaningless noisemakers didn't just dial them in and drop them out... seems like it'd almost be a reflex to do that, so I call WTF on inexperienced foreign broadcasters.

    41. Re:Am I the only... by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      I don't. They're used all the time in Chile in any kind of sports event. It's like it's not even there for me. But my US husband came by when I was watching a match and he said "what sounds like angry bees?". It made me chuckle.

    42. Re:Am I the only... by Alexandra+Erenhart · · Score: 1

      Get some info first

      The reason why a lot of players are complaining is because of the Jabulani ball and because of the grass quality. The vuvucelas are a problem for some of them too, but is not the one and only reason.

    43. Re:Am I the only... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      It must not bother the players at all. Or they would simply stop playing and sit on the field until all the fans would stop being jerks and blowing the things non stop.

      The players are in 100% control of the crowd. They choose to allow it.

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    44. Re:Am I the only... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      cars don't get turned over and set on fire, I'm cool with it.

      You never went to Michigan State... WE used to overturn a cop car every game we won. a buddy of mine threw a couch off the top of the tallest dorm building and we went and sat on the couch wreckage drinking beer the rest of the night...

      Overturn cop cars? fun!

      Set on fire? only duchebags go that far.

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    45. Re:Am I the only... by gullevek · · Score: 1

      You can't hear ANYTHING else than that. This is not "typical South African tradition". I can't even hear the commentators. It's like a permanent Bzzzzzzz from start to end. It doesn't change. Ever. Never. This is not supporting, this is disrupting.

      Normally there are drums, and some horns and chorus and stuff. This time there is fucking nothing. A permanent Bzzzzzz cancels out anything else.

      I watched two games, and I not really looking forward to watch another one. This bloody Vuvuzela gets on my nerves. I just hope they turn down the volume from the stadium and crank up the volume from the commentators. Else this whole Worldcup is just a big Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

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    46. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it means that the players cannot hear the refs and therefore cannot play the game, then ABSOULTELY.

    47. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Want some cheese to go with that?

    48. Re:Am I the only... by carlzum · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The horns really annoy me too, and I agree with everything you said about safety and fan behavior. But there's no denying that bee-swarm hum is part of the South African football experience. It may be a recent phenomenon, but it's a point of pride for their fans and part of their identity. Right or wrong, native Africans see it as their stamp on post-apartheid Association Football.

      The comparison to hooligans isn't fair. There's no intent to hurt people or ruin the game for others, even if that's the outcome. Hooligans brutally assault innocent people without provocation, destroy property, throw body fluids, and threaten/humiliate players and officials. Even worse, it's not just out of control drunks, their actions are often organized and planned.

    49. Re:Am I the only... by Optic7 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I didn't expect anyone on Slashdot to trot out the old and tired "real football" line. Soccer is the real football. You know, the sport that is played with the feet and with a ball? You must have been thinking of handegg instead, that American sport where players play with the hands and an egg, instead of a ball?

      http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/2/2/633692057194761860-handegg.jpg

    50. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dull low-scoring games.

      You know it's soccer, right? ;)

    51. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um...

      http://www.lavonardo.net/blog/archives/pix/flickr--punt.jpg

      That don't look like no hand to me.

    52. Re:Am I the only... by bitMonster · · Score: 2

      Best slashdot post evah.

      And I've watched old superbowl broadcasts, and you are so fucking right.

    53. Re:Am I the only... by TheTempest · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yep, I saw Brazil play. They sucked. Maybe that had nothing to do with the horns, but why would you hold that game up as an example?

      They should have pummeled North Korea. Instead it was a close game. If I knew nothing else about Brazil I'd say they didn't have a chance of getting past the group stage after watching that abomination.

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    54. Re:Am I the only... by quacking+duck · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Americans call a game "football" where physical foot contact with the ball, by both sides, throughout the entire game, adds up to maybe 2 seconds.

      Between this and being the last major country to eschew the metric system, it's like you *want* the world to mock you ;-P

    55. Re:Am I the only... by hibiki_r · · Score: 1

      Which is easy to deal with when the play stops every 5 seconds and the teams can talk and regroup.

      Remember, in an NFL game, the ball is actually in play for about 7 minutes total. And the game lasts three hours.

    56. Re:Am I the only... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      If the majority of the fans think they are entitled to act that way because its football than they are. You may not like it, but if you are a minority, tough shit for you.

      This isn't a tradition, obviously, nor am I a soccer fan, but the last time any TV time with these horns it seemed like everyone had them, which means, frankly, you lose.

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    57. Re:Am I the only... by bloodhawk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yep I saw it, they played like a team of highly skilled individuals instead of the well oiled team they normally are and played a close game against a team they should have smashed, wonder what could have interferred with there ability to communicate and play as a team huh?

      So yeah I certainly saw the Brzil game, the question is did you???

    58. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't have to worry about the camera angles, the 0-0 games are MORE than enough to keep me from watching.

      Bad quality, but pretty much sums up Joe 6-pack's view of "football". What's missing here is a couple minutes before this click with the build up of fancy commercials and media hype prior to the game to get everyone in that initial fever pitch - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noOHdTQd6H8

    59. Re:Am I the only... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      it's so much bigger than american football most Americans aren't aware.

      Not in America. No one cares about soccer here for the most part ... unless they recently came from somewhere else, so why should American broadcasting companies care about it? Are American's supposed to like soccer just because you say 'OMG ITS FUCKING FOOTBALL!'. Let me answer for you. No. It won't make them richer because they can sell more commericals for more money with other shows. Contrary to what you might think, you don't know more about making money than they do.

      They can spend a lot of money and air time on something a few hundred thousand of their viewers will watch ... or they can rerun NCIS and get several million viewers. You'd have to be an idiot not to understand that.

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    60. Re:Am I the only... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      Let me get this straight ... the game is more about hearing than ball handling?

      Seriously?

      Have you been watching at all? The game may play different, but its still going to come down to skill since they are all playing on the same field.

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    61. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      The horns really annoy me too, and I agree with everything you said about safety and fan behavior. But there's no denying that bee-swarm hum is part of the South African football experience. It may be a recent phenomenon, but it's a point of pride for their fans and part of their identity. Right or wrong, native Africans see it as their stamp on post-apartheid Association Football.

      The comparison to hooligans isn't fair. There's no intent to hurt people or ruin the game for others, even if that's the outcome. Hooligans brutally assault innocent people without provocation, destroy property, throw body fluids, and threaten/humiliate players and officials. Even worse, it's not just out of control drunks, their actions are often organized and planned.

      Honest officer! I didn't INTEND to hurt her or cause permanent damage. It was just the outcome.

    62. Re:Am I the only... by carlzum · · Score: 1

      I made two attempts to argue my position, but based on the responses and moderation, I'm obviously in the minority. Even by American standards I'm a casual World Cup fan, so my perspective is a lot different than an avid sports fans. I'll concede, FIFA represents its fan base and should address the noise if it's harming the event and quality of play.

      I will stand by my defense of South African fans, the posts calling them "retarded" or malicious are unfair. FIFA was aware of the buzzing after last year's tournament, so the blame lies with them, not the fans.

    63. Re:Am I the only... by oji-sama · · Score: 1

      You're absolutely right

      However, those horns get dangerously close to: "Hooligans brutally assault innocent people without provocation." There's a comment somewhere above about new mouthpieces that reduce the noice, but I wonder how much it helps, if the stadium is full of them...

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    64. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The comparison to hooligans isn't fair. There's no intent to hurt people or ruin the game for others, even if that's the outcome. Hooligans brutally assault innocent people without provocation, destroy property, throw body fluids, and threaten/humiliate players and officials. Even worse, it's not just out of control drunks, their actions are often organized and planned.

      Your assessment is correct. The vuvuzela fans are not hooligans... now.

      However, if you ban their horns, then they will turn into hooligans. No, seriously, just try it and watch while I hide in the comfort of my North American home.

    65. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cuz that's how it is in S. Africa.

      I agree, it's obviously a terrible idea to hold it in Sth Africa.

    66. Re:Am I the only... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Yeah, when the World Cup was in Germany in 2006, you didn't see anyone try to hinder the traditions of violent neo-nazi hooliganism.

      Violent football hooliganism is primarily an English rather than specifically a German tradition. In any case, "hindering" any "traditions" of Nazism, neo- or otherwise, is a constitutional obligation in Germany (imposed by the Allies), not something exclusive to the World Cup or something which would be left to FIFA to decide. Try selling Nazi memorabilia on eBay in Germany.

      Look I agree "it's a Sth African tradition" is a terrible argument to justify this DoS attack on the World Cup, but pick a better counter example next time.

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    67. Re:Am I the only... by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      I don't find it annoying.. the annoyingness of the game itself causes me to stop watching before it gets to me. I think I've only heard that sound for 5 seconds max

    68. Re:Am I the only... by Capsaicin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You don't have to worry about the camera angles, the 0-0 games are MORE than enough to keep me from watching.

      Last night's (my time) Portugal vs Ivory Coast 0:0 game was one of the most exciting in this cup yet. Uruguay vs France 0:0 was tedious and as exciting as watching paint dry. The fact of being a scoreless draw is not determinative of the quality of the game.

      Now I can understand not watching a football code you don't personally enjoy. I don't watch AFL, Rugby only very rarely and for me American football makes even golf look exciting. What I certainly wouldn't do is bother to read articles about games I don't like, let alone comment on them.

      What's more, I figure, it's probably me, rather than those games themselves. After all millions of people get excited about the other codes. I guess that American football, for instance, requires an understanding of the strategy and tactics I simply don't possess. It might be a bit like a cross between chess and football for those who dig it. To me it's a series of erratic starts and stops, hardly any time is spent actually playing?! I get as much out of it as I would from a recital of Armenian poetry.

      OTHO, anyone who fails to appreciate the beauty of a game like the scoreless draw between Portugal and the Ivory Coast is clearly a deranged philistine! ;)

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    69. Re:Am I the only... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yeah... the players are TOTALLY in control of the fans, no worry there.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9s_Escobar

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7944919.stm

      http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/08/world/main6072208.shtml

      Or maybe you'd like me to provide about a thousand links to players, coaches, and announcers complaining about how much it has been affecting the games so far this Cup?

    70. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe if it was an egg, England's goalie could have caught it.

    71. Re:Am I the only... by Another,+completely · · Score: 1

      Then let the networks filter the feed if they wish.

      If the only way to watch the game without that noise is on television, then maybe the prices for live tickets will come down closer to something reasonable. Only extreme fans will brave the racket to see the game in person, and everyone else will watch the digitally-filtered version from home. Who sees it live will be determined by willingness to endure pain, rather than abundance of ready cash. There is something to that idea.

    72. Re:Am I the only... by BeardedChimp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah because whenever everyone around you is trying to get attention by blowing their trumpets, people sure are likely to want to buy the quiet version.

    73. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so why should American broadcasting companies care about it

      money... that's why they do everything. Point is, for world cup, they should pony up for the GOOD sports TV producers and not 2 guys with video stuff. And... foreign soccer players average salaries might be double or triple NFL average salaries. Also, viewership is much larger. Not sure why an American would care, but I think it's interesting.

      It really is a great sport. I think it'd be far better received in the States if it was presented in the manner to which Americans have become accustomed... i.e. quality..

    74. Re:Am I the only... by Baricom · · Score: 1

      I was horrified because I thought you threw a coach off the top of the building. I swear I'm not making this up.

    75. Re:Am I the only... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Most of the time it doesn't bother me. But have you ever been to a rugby match with a French team? Usually about eight brass bands turn up, all playing different tunes.

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    76. Re:Am I the only... by ztransform · · Score: 1

      What they need is more angles

      One the thing Australians do very well at sports broadcasts is immediate live replays and being able to slow down the action even to a frame-by-frame level which would have been welcome during some questionable incidents in the World Cup already. Unfortunately the Australian TV channels also jam in adverts excessively. So while watching ITV and BBC broadcasts is like stepping back into the 80s (technology-wise) the freedom from adverts is welcome.

      WTF on inexperienced foreign broadcasters

      100% agreed - the very first thing I thought when I heard those trumpets was - wow - they're all within about 3 semitones.. give me a notch filter! Something very junior about the coverage. Perhaps the good operators decided to keep away from crime-ridden South Africa for this World Cup.

    77. Re:Am I the only... by Another,+completely · · Score: 4, Interesting

      American football is short bursts of incredibly intricate plays in which every player is doing something worth analysis, and it provides long pauses during which that analysis can be shown from every angle possible in a three-dimensional world. The game we are talking about here is on a different time scale, in which players don't have so many set plays (since it doesn't start from the more-or-less known configuration of two separate groups facing each other), so every player needs to be inventive and adapt as the play progresses. There are also very few times when a producer can be sure nothing interesting is going to happen, so replays need to be kept to a minimum, and following the continually changing strategies might be more difficult with frequent camera-angle changes.

      Also, I suspect there is a single feed for the coverage (can someone confirm?) so a video producer needs to be extra confident before interrupting the feed to however many networks to show a replay that might overrun the play that makes the game. For most American football games, I think the coverage is bought by a single network, and the person selecting the camera angles and replays works for the same people as do the announcers, so they may have more freedom to try things out.

      I would also be interested in seeing what the coverage in the U.S. actually looks like (including the half-time and full-time replays), and comparing it with BBC/ITV broadcasts. Maybe we are not talking about the same thing.

    78. Re:Am I the only... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      [T]he annoyingness of the game itself causes me to stop watching before it gets to me.

      You're just fooling yourself. Think about this, tens of millions of people regard (association) football as the most exciting game of all. More people than for any other game in fact. This ought to tell you that the annoyance is not "of the game itself," but is your own personal failing. Imagine, the best game of all and you just don't get it. Now that must be annoying.

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    79. Re:Am I the only... by ztransform · · Score: 1

      Right or wrong, native Africans see it as their stamp on post-apartheid Association Football.

      Wow, talk about your extreme racists. Who would think that there were white people in South Africa! I guess minorities don't count, right? Well that's your opinion - as long as you are consistent and don't start suddenly supporting minorities in your own country. Wouldn't want to be a hypocrite would you?

    80. Re:Am I the only... by bickerdyke · · Score: 1

      Also, I suspect there is a single feed for the coverage (can someone confirm?)

      Confirm.

      Thats the company producing the feed thats syndicated to the TV stations in the world:
      http://www.hbs.tv/

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    81. Re:Am I the only... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      While it may hinder them hearing the ref's whistle, I think you're being a bit of a big girl's blouse to call it "interfering".

      Running on the pitch or throwing things at the players - that would be interference.

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    82. Re:Am I the only... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Yes really! While Germany obviously has not been immune, it is primarly an English phenomenon, rather than specifically a German tradition.

      Cheers.

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    83. Re:Am I the only... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I thought you threw a coach off the top of the building

      A bus, or the guy who devises team strategy?

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    84. Re:Am I the only... by hashp · · Score: 1

      Football is the game that Americans call Soccer. What Americans call football is a game that the rest of us call... pointless. ;) http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=football

    85. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tens of millions of people also love American Idol and McDonalds.

    86. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WTF are you on about? Where did he say there are no white people in Sitt Ifrikeh? If you had a clue, you'd know that historically the jaapies have been more keen on Rugby anyway.

    87. Re:Am I the only... by digitig · · Score: 1

      And you only ever get one sounding at a time, right?

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    88. Re:Am I the only... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Tens of millions of people also love American Idol ...

      If you personally don't find American Idol entertaining, you are missing what those people see in it. Much to my disgust, my family recently got addicted to Australian Idol. When I came down off my high horse, I had to admit that some of those kids really can sing.

      ... and McDonalds

      Love, or can afford? Not directly comparable though, since affection for McDonalds and Coke are largely the result extensive advertising, whereas love of football is genuinely and organically popular. In response to the massive information campaign aimed at kids by McDonalds we brought up our kids to hate McDonalds. Unfortunately we are now paying heavily for it everytime we go out to lunch. Doh!

      If you want to understand where I'm coming from with the previous read this. I too fail to appreciate games millions of people enjoy.

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    89. Re:Am I the only... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      it is primarly an English phenomenon

      Bullshit, as the links prove.

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    90. Re:Am I the only... by digitig · · Score: 1

      Also, I suspect there is a single feed for the coverage (can someone confirm?) so a video producer needs to be extra confident before interrupting the feed to however many networks to show a replay that might overrun the play that makes the game.

      Advertisers, on the other hand, don't seem to be particularly bothered.

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    91. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Throwing things like spears? These are niggers, after all.

    92. Re:Am I the only... by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      You do realize that continued play after the whistle is blown can lead to a booking?

      If the goal keeper cannot organize his line for a free kick due to the noise, is that interfering with the game?

      If the players cannot call out to one another as in normal everywhere else in the world is that interfering with the game?

      Frankly if the players say it is interfering with their ability to play the game it is interfering with the game, and neither you or I are have any standing to argue with them.

    93. Re:Am I the only... by dave420 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What is 'quality' to you is 'utter useless eye-candy bullshit' to others. Football ('soccer') is light on said bullshit, because it simply doesn't need everything spelled out to make sense or to be enjoyable. The action on the pitch speaks for itself. If the hundreds of millions around the world who watch the World Cup wanted some bullshit CGI nonsense, or endless replays (while the game is actually being played), or cameras zooming in to players' butts, they would get it. But they don't, as the sport simply doesn't need it.

    94. Re:Am I the only... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Because if they banned the horns, the stadiums would be as quiet as churches? The horns are loud, but not "oh noes!!!111 it's assault!!!eleventyhundred" loud.

    95. Re:Am I the only... by dave420 · · Score: 0, Troll

      What the fuck are you smoking? You're the racist for thinking "native Africans" means black people. Wow. You kind of showed your hand there, sunshine.

    96. Re:Am I the only... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You do realize that continued play after the whistle is blown can lead to a booking?

      You do realise you sound like a patronising jerk? I haven't seen the situation arise, but I'd expect refs to apply a little discretion. Or get a louder whistle.

      If the goal keeper cannot organize his line for a free kick due to the noise, is that interfering with the game?

      There must be deaf soccer players somewhere in the world. They manage somehow. Hand signals?

      Frankly if the players say it is interfering with their ability to play the game it is interfering with the game, and neither you or I are have any standing to argue with them.

      Puhleeeeease. They're a bunch of spoilt primadonnas, the lot of them.

      At the end of the day, the noise is the same for both teams. As is the ball that they're all whinging about.

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    97. Re:Am I the only... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand the words "primarily", "only", and "specifically". Yes, there are German hooligans, but there are far more English hooligans.

    98. Re:Am I the only... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      Fantastic. Brilliant. Because that's how most of the game is spent, right, with people kicking the ball? I guess I was confused when most of the matches I've seen entailed people holding the ball in their hands, running around?

    99. Re:Am I the only... by Shrike82 · · Score: 1

      I'm sure the thousands of people with the old models will be rushing out to replace their outdated hardware.

      "What's that? It's quieter? Well that's totally what I want from my football horn!"

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    100. Re:Am I the only... by dominious · · Score: 1

      No, the point is that they can ban the loud version and people will then buy the quiet version.

      on a related note, wow is this some marketing strategy?

    101. Re:Am I the only... by Philip_the_physicist · · Score: 1

      I think the English and Germans both pale in comparison to the Milanese a few years ago, in an Inter Milan versus AC Milan match, when Molotovs and fireworks were fired at opposing supporters in the stadium.

      The difference between English and German hooligans seems to be that the Germans are nominally political and there are a few of them who all do a lot of damage, whereas English hooliganism seems to be more about raging at the opposing team and the referee, and seems to be a large number of very drunk men doing a relatively small amount of damage each, although this impression does come mostly from news reports, not from first-hand observation, so it could be wildly wrong.

    102. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why I love America being a super power... You ridicule us, but you still suck. I'd rather be the country out front where people are slinging arrows at our back than the silly countries out there chasing us...

      Your "football" players couldn't last a single quarter of a real football game.... "Oh he touched me, yellow card him!!!!"

    103. Re:Am I the only... by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Mate, it's soccer, a game so boring the crowd have to invent their own entertainment. :-)

      I blame English imperialist expansion. One of half the globe - Oceania, The Caribbean, the Indian subcontinent got stuck with Test Cricket. As if that weren't bad enough, they inflicted soccer on South America and, it seems, southern Africa.

    104. Re:Am I the only... by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Team communication is essential to the sport. Difficult to do when you can't hear...

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    105. Re:Am I the only... by Inda · · Score: 1

      I had so much to say on this thread but, once again, I joined the party too late.

      There is only a single feed with football. Even the instant replays are the same for each broadcaster. Some TV stations even buy the commentry for the feed. The video producer adds nothing apart from score titles and maybe adverts at the bottom of the screen.

      I know this because I have to watch foreign football channels to watch live games in the UK. We lower British Chavs cannot watch all the football games in the UK as THEY ARE NOT BLOODY WELL SHOWN LIVE IN THIS COUNTRY! (god bless P2P video streaming and god bless the queen!)

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    106. Re:Am I the only... by Inda · · Score: 1

      The UK FA banned rattles back in the day. They were a British footballing tradition.

      We've had fans banned for chanting too...

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    107. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah...
      Gifted the USA a goal to get them started, and they still couldn't win.

    108. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Btw, not sure why they haven't been notching these frequencies out... I mean, I can't believe the first engineer (or any of the engineers since) at the first broadcast of these obnoxious and meaningless noisemakers didn't just dial them in and drop them out... seems like it'd almost be a reflex to do that, so I call WTF on inexperienced foreign broadcasters.

      According to the BBC vuvuzela frequencies coincide with human voices. So if you put commentators' commentary through the same filter, you might (for example) filter out the vowel 'e'.

      One would think, however, that commentators would be in a soundproof room, and there'd be a separate crowd noise microphone which the broadcaster could use if they wanted to, or not use. So I don't see why broadcasters can't filter the crowd noise before mixing it with the commentary.

      As to why they don't eliminate crowd noise all together, I guess they feel it adds atmosphere. Anyway, if you want a broadcast without any noise, you'd put your TV on mute.

    109. Re:Am I the only... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Not to mention possession of offensive vegetables

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    110. Re:Am I the only... by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You don't seem to understand what proof by assertion means. Or are you (along with that sausage munching pillock) stuck in the 80s?

      Citation or fuck off.

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    111. Re:Am I the only... by Dephex+Twin · · Score: 1

      Violent football hooliganism is primarily an English rather than specifically a German tradition.

      It doesn't matter if it is primarily an English phenomenon because it is absolutely a German phenomenon. Or, if you can't wrap your mind around the idea of it being of any significance in Germany then replace "Germany 2006" with "England in other football events and some World Cup in the future" in your mind.

      In any case, "hindering" any "traditions" of Nazism, neo- or otherwise, is a constitutional obligation in Germany (imposed by the Allies), not something exclusive to the World Cup or something which would be left to FIFA to decide. Try selling Nazi memorabilia on eBay in Germany.

      Okay. Well, you had better tell the German neo-nazis and the German hooligans (nazi or otherwise) that nazism is illegal and hooliganism actually belongs to the English, so that they know that they don't exist.

      And what does it matter in my example whether FIFA decides it or a government? Also, do you think FIFA has no official stance on hooligans?

      Look I agree "it's a Sth African tradition" is a terrible argument to justify this DoS attack on the World Cup, but pick a better counter example next time.

      Good god, man, my point was that just because some people do a thing associated with soccer doesn't mean it is a good thing that must be preserved. So the whole point was to give an example where the need to disallow the thing is completely obvious.

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    112. Re:Am I the only... by soliptic · · Score: 1

      This may well go on to be the worst World Cup, and after this the Champions League finals may go on to eclipse the World Cup finals.

      In terms of quality of football, (as opposed to overall spectacle, etc) the CL has in my opinion eclipised the WC for at least as long as I've watched the CL (which is about a decade).

      The WC is not the pinnacle of footballing quality. I know people like to puff it up as "all the best players in the world facing off" and suchlike, but it's really not true.

      For starters, there are some of the best players in the world missing because they come from very weak footballing nations. But more than that, we don't even get the best footballing nations - if we had strictly the best teams in the world we'd have mostly Europe and South America. The likes of New Zealand wouldn't get through if it weren't "rigged" with a regional system of qualifying to ensure that someone from each part of the world does get through. So some of the best players are missing because they're from nations located in parts of the world with a surplus of even better footballing nations (random example, Ryan Giggs).

      Next, some of the best players in the world are injured right now - whereas leagues spanning a whole season gives time for recovery and at least some sort of appearance in the competition. Next, some of the best players in the world aren't picked for whatever reason: disagreement with their coaches/managers, not enough room in this team for the both of us, etc. Brazil right now would probably be a pretty decent example.

      Finally, you get down to the players who are there - and I don't mean to give the impression all the above results in any lack of talent, even despite all that clearly we do see many of the finest players - well, they're still not playing their best football.

      National teams simply do not train and play together enough to produce their most dazzling football. Club squads are more consistent and work with each other week in, week out. The level of unspoken understanding between players is almost always visibly higher. England are a good example of this. Players like Gerrard, Lampard, Rooney are creative, free-flowing and often apparently telepathic for their clubs. In the national side they match this slickness only sporadically, more often seeming a bit disjointed.

      This is not intended to denigrate the WC. It still scores highly for "big occasion" value. The sheer fact that more people, "normal" people who wouldn't follow domestic or European leagues, get interested in the games makes it interesting. And the national pride angle adds importance, for people who believe in that sort of thing (which is most people, sadly). In that sense the WC is obviously untouchable.

      But for pure quality of football? All told, the CL consistently kicks the WC's arse from here to Jo'burg and back, and has done for years already.

    113. Re:Am I the only... by Angostura · · Score: 1

      I don't find it annoying per se, but I do find it diminishes my enjoyment of the game by 'flattening' the experience. Typically a football match is enhanced by the crowd noise in my experience. The roar of excitement as the strikers approach the goal; the collective groan/cheer when the goal fails to go in.

      Add to that the interesting diversity of chants, songs and musical instruments bought by different countries' supporters to the average World Cup and you have something rather special, particularly when you get good competition between the supporters, answering the other's chant.

      By contrast, this year's contrast has been literally monotonous. Which is a shame.

    114. Re:Am I the only... by SonnyDog09 · · Score: 2, Funny

      To me it's a series of erratic starts and stops, hardly any time is spent actually playing?! I get as much out of it as I would from a recital of Armenian poetry.

      I believe it was George Will who described American Football as "violence, punctuated by committee meetings."

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    115. Re:Am I the only... by imakemusic · · Score: 1

      Apparently they've been measured at 127Db which, if true, is enough to cause serious hearing damage.

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    116. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You make a good, well-reasoned argument there. You're in the right because we "suck" and are "silly". You're really winning me over to your point of view.

      If your "football" players are so big and strong why do they have to cover themselves in padding and helmets for every game? It's as if they're scared of hitting in to each other or something.

    117. Re:Am I the only... by Monsieur_F · · Score: 1

      no problem, we'll send our rugbymen

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    118. Re:Am I the only... by Shrike82 · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, banning one kind of horn and expecting people to buy a slightly less loud one. Very likely. Very likely indeed.

      "Sorry Sir, we have to check your vuvuzela. Regulations dictate that it musn't produce a peak noise output of more than 100 dB. If you wouldn't mind stepping out of the line and accompanying me to the testing area we can get your horn checked and certified. If it doesn't conform to regulations then I'm afraid it'll have to be confiscated. Don't worry though, you can spend some of your hard earned currency on the new, government approved vuvuzela model that we sell right here in our testing area."

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    119. Re:Am I the only... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Not directly comparable though, since affection for McDonalds and Coke are largely the result extensive advertising, whereas love of football is genuinely and organically popular

      Seriously? Every time I leave my house at the moment, I see adverts for world cup matches, world cup merchandise, and so on. Football advertising is everywhere, for local teams outside of the world cup season and for the international matches when they are on.

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    120. Re:Am I the only... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      According to the BBC article I read yesterday, these horns produce 130dB sounds. That is enough to cause permanent hearing damage to anyone nearby. Saying they they don't intend to hurt people is like saying that people who fire AK47s into the sky to celebrate don't intend to hurt people. It may be true, but it's pretty irrelevant.

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    121. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So gathering outside the opposing teams hotel and blowing the horns into the middle of the night is a point of pride and part of their Identity?

    122. Re:Am I the only... by Caetel · · Score: 1

      Because of course everybody is going to rush out and replace them immediately.

    123. Re:Am I the only... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      ... if blown directly into your ear.

    124. Re:Am I the only... by dave420 · · Score: 1

      No, it's you who doesn't seem to get it, but nice try. Tschüss!

    125. Re:Am I the only... by stealth_finger · · Score: 0

      if the BBC and others are going to start filtering them, we get the best of both worlds

      Except we don't. The players are unable to communicate on the pitch in any way, leading to the worst standard of play. As players cannot be warned when somebody is behind them, they just play safe and hoof the ball up the pitch just in case. The world's top players are being made to look like talentless hacks in dull low-scoring games. This may well go on to be the worst World Cup, and after this the Champions League finals may go on to eclipse the World Cup finals.

      Phillip.

      Ummm, what? You do realize, no matter how much filtering the BBC does on the noise coming from the stadiums for TV viewing, the sound in the stadium is exactly the same. I can't see how this can affect the players situational awareness or ability to commuicate in anyway. It's not like players of that calibre need a loud obnoxious noise to warn them of an opposing player, they still have eyes and a movable neck..

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    126. Re:Am I the only... by Binestar · · Score: 1

      You're just fooling yourself. Think about this, tens of millions of people regard (association) football as the most exciting game of all. More people than for any other game in fact. This ought to tell you that the annoyance is not "of the game itself," but is your own personal failing. Imagine, the best game of all and you just don't get it. Now that must be annoying.

      You're just fooling yourself. Think about this, tens of millions of people regard (Microsoft) Internet Explorer as the most usable browser of all. More people than any other browser in fact. This ought to tell you that the annoyance is not "Of the browser itself," but is your own personal failing. Imagine, the best browser of all and you just don't get it. Now that must be annoying.

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    127. Re:Am I the only... by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      That only happened if we lost.

      WE went through a lot of coaches that year...

      Plus everyone though it was really bad form to sit on the body drinking the rest of the night....

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    128. Re:Am I the only... by eharvill · · Score: 1

      I think it's great and totally adds to the atmosphere. I'm glad FIFA has not banned them from the games. That being said, I might not enjoy them if I were at the actual games.

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    129. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      As evidenced by the announcers often lamenting the lack of a replay (although why their own production team don't just overlay a replay I'm not sure - maybe it's a licensing thing) - I don't see much football but I have noticed this a few times, and it happens constantly in the F1 Grand Prix commentary.

    130. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're the racist for thinking "native Africans" means black people

      Get a grip dumbass. It's perfectly clear that the original poster used "native Africans" as a euphemism for black people.

    131. Re:Am I the only... by evocarti · · Score: 1

      I know that quaint ethnic traditions are pure and good and "homogenization" is evil, but when you hold an international sporting event, there's the expectation that the players should be able to play the goddamn sport without interference from the fans. It's up there with "providing a stadium", you're just kind of expected to do that.

      One thing that I really like about american college football is precisely the opposite. The stadiums are massive, and the fans purposely make the most noise during the opposing team's offensive possession to interfere with their coordination.

      Of course, it's [mostly] human-originating noise, without aid of noise-making devices...

    132. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      As to why they don't eliminate crowd noise all together, I guess they feel it adds atmosphere. Anyway, if you want a broadcast without any noise, you'd put your TV on mute.

      I was thinking about this, and it occurred to me - how different does one match sound to another, really? There always seems to be a rumble of background noise which sounds pretty universal across every game. Throw in some effect overlays for goals, bad decisions, etc and I'm pretty sure any reasonable sound technician with a mixing deck could dub the crowd noises in real time and eliminate any unwanted sounds (abusive chants as well as annoying instruments).

    133. Re:Am I the only... by u38cg · · Score: 1

      There is a suggestion that notching out the noise will cause serious problems for the commentary, as various vowel sounds coincide with it.

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    134. Re:Am I the only... by ProfBooty · · Score: 1

      might be because of brain damage?

      http://www.nytimes.com/info/concussions-in-football/

      A 2000 study surveyed 1,090 former N.F.L. players and found more than 60 percent had suffered at least one concussion in their careers and 26 percent had had three or more. Those who had had concussions reported more problems with memory, concentration, speech impediments, headaches and other neurological problems than those who had not, the survey found.

      When 300+lbs guys are charging at one another, pads are appropriate.

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    135. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      No, that's just being nasty, and it's by no means related to the Vuvuzela or the South Africans in general - this kind of behaviour has gone on for years. I remember reports of it at the last world cup, and more recent examples. A subset of all people will be anti-social, unsporting idiots, that's no reason to label the rest of the people the same way.

    136. Re:Am I the only... by master811 · · Score: 1

      Well to be fair the UK doesn't use the metric system completey either. Not quite as bad as the US, but a lot of stuff is still in imperial.

    137. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      I haven't seen the situation arise, but I'd expect refs to apply a little discretion. Or get a louder whistle.

      Or maybe a Vuvuzela, I hear they're pretty loud.

    138. Re:Am I the only... by eharvill · · Score: 1

      They can spend a lot of money and air time on something a few hundred thousand of their viewers will watch ... or they can rerun NCIS and get several million viewers. You'd have to be an idiot not to understand that.

      You must be delusional if you think only a few hundred thousand Americans are watching the World Cup.

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    139. Re:Am I the only... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1, Troll

      What I certainly wouldn't do is bother to read articles about games I don't like, let alone comment on them.

      Yet that’s exactly what you did right now.
      Been there, but dude... hypocrite much?
      Better watch out for that catch 22 next time! ;)

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    140. Re:Am I the only... by Isaac-Lew · · Score: 1
      One of the suggested origins of football games (of any type) is that they were played on foot as opposed to on a horse (like polo). So that would make "American football" as legitimate a term as "association football".

      From the wikipedia entry:

      Most of the very early references to the game speak simply of "ball play" or "playing at ball". This reinforces the idea that the games played at the time did not necessarily involve a ball being kicked.

    141. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait, but I thought the USA won 1-1? (Oh god, apologies for the Sun link, it's not where I originally read about this but was the only one I could find, forgive me? :)

    142. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      Maybe they should have lodged their complaints before the World Cup began, or did they seriously not anticipate that a lot of noise would prevent them playing? On a side note, does anyone watch much South African football? Does this affect their local game just as much or have they learned to compensate in some way?

    143. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      I understand the communication issue arises from the similarities in pitch between human speech and the instrument's sound. Have the footballers tried screaming like little girls (I mean, apart from when they get tackled) to see if that helps?

    144. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      That's advertising cashing in on football's popularity rather than being the main driver behind it. Although there may be some reciprocal effect now (a few people getting into it because the advertising makes them more aware of its popularity, or somehow indicates it's "cool"), football was incredibly popular before advertising had really even begun to take off.

    145. Re:Am I the only... by tophermeyer · · Score: 1

      Frankly if the players say it is interfering with their ability to play the game it is interfering with the game, and neither you or I are have any standing to argue with them.

      Puhleeeeease. They're a bunch of spoilt primadonnas, the lot of them.

      Though at some level I agree with your sentiment, I also have to consider how I would feel if a couple tens of thousands of people showed up at my place of employment and droned on with those things while I worked. I imagine it would make it quite difficult to communicate effectively with my coworkers too.

    146. Re:Am I the only... by delinear · · Score: 1

      On the other hand, I have particularly sensitive hearing, and the usual world cup cacophony of noise is enough to drive me insane. For me, the "normalising" effect of the Vuvuzela means I can actually deliberately ignore it to a large extent (I still don't watch much football anyway as I'm not a big fan), like any noise that's a constant drone, you eventually don't notice it until it stops. That only leaves the sudden massive increase in volume when the adverts are shown to contend with.

    147. Re:Am I the only... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      I'm 28, and football advertising is something I remember growing up as well. When was this mythical time when football was popular but not heavily advertised? Check photographs and newspapers from the '70s and you can see that it was heavily advertised back then too. Before the 20th century it was a game people played, rather than watched, and was also not widely advertised.

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    148. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are also very few times when a producer can be sure nothing interesting is going to happen, so replays need to be kept to a minimum, and following the continually changing strategies might be more difficult with frequent camera-angle changes.

      Put it on a 10-second delay. In the unlikely event that a goal is scored while a suspicious dive is being replayed, immediately click back to live, just like auto racing. "Trouble in turn 3..."

      In the astronomically-unlikely event that two goals are scored within ten seconds of each other... well, I'll believe it when I see it :)

    149. Re:Am I the only... by glwtta · · Score: 1

      While it may hinder them hearing the ref's whistle, I think you're being a bit of a big girl's blouse to call it "interfering".

      From what I understand, the players are finding it difficult to communicate with each other - I was mostly referring to that.

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    150. Re:Am I the only... by glwtta · · Score: 1

      I will stand by my defense of South African fans, the posts calling them "retarded" or malicious are unfair. FIFA was aware of the buzzing after last year's tournament, so the blame lies with them, not the fans.

      Well hey, the fans around here like to shout idiotic slogans about things that may or may not suck, and then vomit on the subway. I was certainly not trying to argue that they are superior to the South African fans.

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    151. Re:Am I the only... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Last night's (my time) Portugal vs Ivory Coast 0:0 game was one of the most exciting in this cup yet. Uruguay vs France 0:0 was tedious and as exciting as watching paint dry. The fact of being a scoreless draw is not determinative of the quality of the game.

      The point of any game is to score points to win.

      If you score no points, you can not adjudge your actions in the game as having any quality demanded by the purpose of the game.

      There's so little scoring in soccer it's all but impossible to infer the qualities the game should possess.

      So, for all but those who've spent decades forming a heuristic by aggregating thousands of tiny samples, the game is just so much juggling and jogging, with the occasional acting performance, albeit by a grown man acting like a child who's been pushed to the ground by his big brother for the first time. The only exciting part of it for a neophyte is the astonishing punts the goalies get to make from time to time. But if the most exciting part of Soccer is the same as the most boring part of Football, Soccer isn't going to grow in popularity anywhere it has competition from a game that involves 22 guys getting into a fight every 45 seconds and puts some serious numbers on the board.

      So there's some perspective for you Soccer fans.

    152. Re:Am I the only... by catmistake · · Score: 1

      because it simply doesn't

      You know that's not true. I wish it were, also... but harsh reality is they're doing they're best... which is in the footsteps of american broadcasters from decades ago. Even more upsetting, is probably in 16 years or so, World Cup games will start to look like last years' SuperBowl. I don't want the flashy graphics and silly animations and overthetop little jangles, necessarily.... I just want the cameras right up in their asses so I can see wtf is happening... pull back if he might pass, showing his possible pass partners available, then when he passes, get tight on the recipient.... There really IS a better way to shoot football (soccer), and it will take a lot more than 2-3 cameras.

      American football, feel how you may about it, has given one thing to the world... if inadvertently... the perfection of sports photography, sports filmography, and espescially sports videography, and to an enormous extent, sports audio. Now, if you want to say the foreign Sports commentators and writers are better, I wouldn't argue, maybe make a tiny point about style and high fidelity, but really, I'd probably agree... foreign is more exciting ("GOOOOOAAAAAAALLLL!!!!!!!"), commentators unconsciously committ in ways American commentators rarely do... and it's kind of ironic. Observe: in general, stereotypical Brit is a stuffy, proper dude... kind of like an American broadcaster. But the stereotypical American is more like the British sports broadcaster, and more often than not becomes emotionally involved in the game.

    153. Re:Am I the only... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      George was trying to sell baseball books.

      You can't trust a thing he says.

    154. Re:Am I the only... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      USA-England drew 16 million. The average match on ESPN is getting under 5 million, and it's declining.

      To put that in perspective, the biggest soccer game the USA has played in 4 years got a smaller rating than an average midseason Sunday Night Football or Monday Night Football game.

    155. Re:Am I the only... by catmistake · · Score: 1

      OK, well...(and don't get me wrong, thanks for the info, I didn't know, but) thars yer problem right thar... sack those incompetent fucks, and get some damn high def hot shot American cowboy video jockies and boom slingers to do those games up right. Obviously, it can't look like american football because the games are different, but the photographic/cinemagraphic techniques will still apply. C'mon, superior coverage will NOT hurt the game, I promise you.

    156. Re:Am I the only... by blair1q · · Score: 1

      Ha. They banned "salad tossing."

      When I read that I had to double-check that the article wasn't from The Onion.

    157. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One the thing Australians do very well

      Cut the crap. What is it Austrailian's DON'T do well? Austrailia is like that last kid your parents just had to have, the love child, that raised with proper attention, is now, while still youthful and virile, and somehow admirably and innocently supremely confident, such that no matter what you know they're having a good time, and everyone likes them so much and they just get along with everyone, and everything is a fucking bright eyed new adventure for them, and even after they put a firecracker down your pants, no one laughed harder than you, or got them back better... fucking Austrailia and that damn indomitable spirit... you just have to do eeevverything better and have soooo much more fun doing it, don't you? well... let ME tell YOU something! .... can I come too?

    158. Re:Am I the only... by eharvill · · Score: 1

      Which is still several million more viewers than a few hundred thousand. Where did you get those numbers from, I'd love to take a look. I'd also be interested in how the weekend game viewership differs from weekday viewership. Think about when the majority of the games are, 7:30AM, 10:00AM and 2:30PM EST. Not very ideal viewing times to compare against other sporting events. Put a mid-season football game on a Tuesday morning at 7:30AM and then we can talk apples to apples. The times that espn3.com decides to work, it would be interesting to see those numbers as well. I am also sure viewership will increase as the tournament continues as there should be much better matchups to watch. I suffered through the Algeria-Slovenia game and wish I had those ~90 minutes of my life back.

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    159. Re:Am I the only... by curunir · · Score: 1

      Personally, I don't find the sound of the annoying. As a fan watching TV, I can still hear the announcers without any trouble and the constant background noise gives me the same feeling as other sporting events where the crowd is consistently loud.

      But the part that does annoy me is that I think they're having an impact on the games. Though they're not much different from a noisy crowd on TV, the decibel level is significantly higher in the stadium. And it seems to me that the low scores and hesitant play we're seeing so far is the result of teams not being able to communicate verbally. It seems to me that there's a lot more incidences of players making runs into space that are completely missed by a player on the ball with his back turned. And other things that rely on verbal communication (letting balls run through, back heels, etc) aren't happening quite as much as they normally do.

      Hopefully the players will adjust as the tournament progresses, but that's been the most annoying part of the vuvuzelas to me...it's made the soccer less entertaining to watch.

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    160. Re:Am I the only... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Says the ones who wear armour to play a sport we call rugby?

    161. Re:Am I the only... by sbillard · · Score: 1

      I watched that game just to see what all the fuss was about. B.O.R.I.N.G. Recap of the WHOLE GAME.

      1. Ball gets kicked around, goes out of bounds. Ball is put back in play.
      2. Some guy falls down and grabs his leg in agony.
      3. Same guy gets up 30 seconds later and is running at full speed again.
      Repeat steps 1, 2, 3 for 90 minutes.

      A scoreless tie is a pointless waste of time. Physically demanding perhaps, but it's not sport. It's a kabuki dance.

      While some would say a pitching duel in baseball is boring, you can be sure of one thing. SOMEONE will win the game. It will not end in a scoreless tie. Therefore, not a waste of time. Why bother if the game can end in a tie, especially a scoreless tie?

      I will never understand how you could claim that game was interesting or a worthwhile endeavor for anyone, player or spectator.

      To each his own I suppose. Enjoy the tournament and, good luck to your team.

    162. Re:Am I the only... by curunir · · Score: 1

      There's been just one elite team that played up to its potential thus far and it's not Brazil. The Germans somehow managed to tune out the vuvuzelas and played and outstanding game. Everyone else has played more conservatively to compensate.

      Brazil, apart from Robinho who had an outstanding game, looked completely out of sorts. Part of that could be due to the cold temperatures, but I'd bet it's mostly due to them not being able to hear each other on the pitch. The traditional Brazilian flair usually means lots of intricate passing, back heels, run-throughs and other skills that require the situational awareness to know where defenders and teammates are without looking at them. Yesterday's game had very little of that type of play and was somewhat disappointing to watch.

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    163. Re:Am I the only... by horza · · Score: 1

      Which is total bullshit when you see how well decent sides like Germany, Argentina and Brazil moved the ball around. Only the rubbish like Portugal with their one decent player are complaining.

      Argentine footballer Lionel Messi was one of the players to complain about the vuvuzelas after Argentina's 1-0 victory over Nigeria on Saturday.

      "It is impossible to communicate, it's like being deaf," Messi said. Widely quoted.

      Phillip.

    164. Re:Am I the only... by horza · · Score: 1

      I played in a match between deaf people, they were the only people playing on the park and were kind enough to invite me, and it emphasised to me what a crucial element to the game it is. Not being able to warn a team-mate about someone coming or to be able to ask for a pass makes it so much more random. I know some great defenders that have poor ball handling but good communication skills (and a 'robust' tackle). Especially important when playing the offside trap. They are also able to motivate the team verbally.

      If South Africa were to host the Olympics they could host the men's 100m on the beach. It would add more local colour, and nobody would be at a disadvantage as it would just be down to skill as to how each sprinter could handle being on sand. However we would not be seeing the pinnacle of athleticism being shown at its best.

      Phillip.

    165. Re:Am I the only... by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      We as a people revel in being different. After all, most of our ancestors left your countries because they didn't like it there.

    166. Re:Am I the only... by Altima(BoB) · · Score: 1

      I hate this argument.

      Both sports are called "football" because they are played ON FOOT, as opposed to being played on horseback such as the more patrician sports like polo. Manipulation of the ball with your foot has nothing to do with the name.

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    167. Re:Am I the only... by Kynde · · Score: 1

      I hate this argument.

      Both sports are called "football" because they are played ON FOOT, as opposed to being played on horseback such as the more patrician sports like polo. Manipulation of the ball with your foot has nothing to do with the name.

      Sir, you reasoning is the argumentative equivalent of a fart. Funny, but about as close to shit as it gets without literally being it.

      Let's recap. Baseball = football. Basketball = football. Golf = football. Tennis = football. Volleyball = football. Handball = football.

      That would would be a very pointless distinction, now wouldn't it. Games played horseback: polo. Games played on foot: just about every other freaking ball game besides some waterpolo and other obscurities.

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    168. Re:Am I the only... by howzit · · Score: 1

      The vuvuzela idea (culture?) developed through two routes. In the Cape (South) the fishermen would hawk their fish in the suburbs on carts. They'd blow through a dried piece of kelp, like one would a bugle, and housewives would send their children to buy the 'fish of the day'',mostly snoek. So the monotone is well known from childhood.Now in the North, the Africans had a 'crier' who brought news, opened ceremonies, etc. There they use a Kudu horn, a long, spiral antelope horn also blown like a bugle (as the Pacific Island conch- shell) So it came naturally to use a similar instrument to 'voice' support for a sports team. The question is though, if it's a bugle, why can't they play a tune?

    169. Re:Am I the only... by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      Because a stadium full of people making noise at 107 dB is so much better than the same stadium at 127 dB?

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    170. Re:Am I the only... by BattleApple · · Score: 1

      Years ago I saw a poll that voted Freebird as the best song ever written. That's all I have to say.

    171. Re:Am I the only... by johanatan · · Score: 1

      Ever heard of a 'foot race'? Foot ball is like a foot race but with a ball.

    172. Re:Am I the only... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      What I certainly wouldn't do is bother to read articles about games I don't like, let alone comment on them.

      Yet that's exactly what you did right now.

      No, I read an article about a game I love and commented on it. Huh?

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    173. Re:Am I the only... by caitsith01 · · Score: 1

      The action on the pitch speaks for itself.

      Grown men rolling around like they've been shot when they get a light tap on the ankle or shins?

      Your argument about soccer being somehow more authentic would be more compelling if not for the blight of staging, which ruins an otherwise reasonable sport.

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    174. Re:Am I the only... by RadioElectric · · Score: 1

      Wait, what?

    175. Re:Am I the only... by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      When was this mythical time when football was popular but not heavily advertised?

      The three out of four years the world cup is not on?

      Maybe it's because I'm in Australia, but apart from a few months every four years I see very little soccer advertising, nor even that much for rugger, AFL on the other hand seems heavily promoted, at least in NSW (in Victoria, where it is organically popular, that's probably unnecessary). As a kid in Europe I was also not aware of football advertising, but very much of football. Probably different these days, I don't know.

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    176. Re:Am I the only... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      The three out of four years the world cup is not on?

      Then there are adverts for the eurocup, for the premiere league, and so on. There is no time when there is no big tournament going on, and the football advertising continues throughout the entire football season every year. It increases in quantity during the world cup, nothing more.

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    177. Re:Am I the only... by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Again, I could trivially find a dozen stories explaining how the players, coaches, announcers, etc DID complain. The Confederations Cup was hosted there in 2009 as a sort of "practice run", and they hated them, then, too.

      FIFA considered a ban after all of the complaints, but rejected it because they claimed vuvuzelas were "an important aspect of South African culture". Which is bullshit, the entire thing only became a big phenomenon after some S.A. company began mass producing cheap plastic versions of the thing about 10 years ago.

      All of this has already been discussed to death by anyone following the issue and the World Cup, though. It's really not hard to find mass amounts of information on it rather than guessing...

    178. Re:Am I the only... by oldhack · · Score: 1

      "You don't have to worry about the camera angles, the 0-0 games are MORE than enough to keep me from watching."

      That's why everyone loves Brazilian soccer. Even in a 0-0 game (has there ever been a 0-0 Brazilian match?), it would be snap, crackle, and pop. And the same reason why everyone detests Italian soccer - World Cup by penalty shoot-out - it's a disgrace.

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  4. Filtering is Uncalled For by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think this is how it should stay - as a hack. If you want to watch the coverage without the vuvuzela, take it out yourself. Broadcast networks should deliver their audience the experience of the match - and if that includes the vuvuzela, then so be it.

    Nobody would be complaining if the sound happened to be people chanting and yelling loud enough to drown out announcers. Because it is something foreign, and probably also because it is African, they're all upset.

    If you look at the coaches and players who complain, they've all either lost or drawn their games. Everyone is playing with the same noise, and if some can't deal with it, they're to blame. Clearly it didn't effect Germany.

    1. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by DJRumpy · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Cheers and yelling add to the excitement. These plastic toys just add to the irritation. I had to listen to a segment this morning just talking about it, and was forced to mute the volume it was so grating. Easier to just ban the damn things and then they can go 'unfiltered'.

    2. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by cacba · · Score: 0, Troll

      Ban them so you can watch the 1 minute highlight in peace?

    3. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by DJRumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, so you can watch the entire game without a beehive buzzing in your ear. Come to think of it, this will probably resolve on it's own via the advertisers. When they figure out everyone is muting the game, and no one can hear their ads as a result, you can bet pressure will be applied on the stadiums to ban them. Although there may be thousands who go to the game to watch, there are millions made on commercials from the millions of viewers who catch the game on TV.

    4. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it is something foreign, and probably also because it is African, they're all upset.

      They are upset because 120 decibels going off behind your ear causes hearing damage, and the sound is so exceptionally loud that it disorients the players.

      Medical studies have proven the sound is well into the range at which permanent hearing loss occurs. That's why the players, coaches, and doctors want them banned.

    5. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by IBABad1 · · Score: 1

      I thought the MUTE button IS for commercials. At least that's what I use it for.

    6. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And in a bar where you don't control the TV, but are forced to listen to it, including the buzzing?

    7. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by sznupi · · Score: 1

      There you have one of those thingies to control basic settings of huge range of TVs.

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    8. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by Klinky · · Score: 1

      Umm, what ads? Futbol is played for 45mins straight, per half. There are only a handful of ads along with the sideline video banners.

    9. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by owlnation · · Score: 2, Informative

      "When they figure out everyone is muting the game, and no one can hear their ads as a result, you can bet pressure will be applied on the stadiums to ban them."

      That would be true, were it not for the fact that, unlike most US sports, there aren't many ad breaks in a soccer game. Also, in the UK many of the games are on the BBC, and the BBC doesn't openly advertise -- there's no actual commercial breaks, and all its advertising is done unethically, through covert product placement -- since it's forbidden from advertising. Not that that stops them.

    10. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Also, in the UK many of the games are on the BBC, and the BBC doesn't openly advertise -- there's no actual commercial breaks, and all its advertising is done unethically, through covert product placement -- since it's forbidden from advertising. Not that that stops them.

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    11. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by harley78 · · Score: 1

      ads? The only ads I see are at halftime and on the field in the form banners and edisplays. At halftime I go get more beer. Non-stop action leaves little time for commercials...

    12. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are ads to be heard in the game?
      When I watch, it is 2 uninterrupted halves and during half time, no one is around the TV anyway.
      The ads that have the most effect is the banners around the field. This is the first time I've seen companies like "Mahindra Satyam".

    13. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Past 10 years or so no advertiser backlash against these things. At least here in South Africa the ad companies don't run the show

    14. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by digitig · · Score: 1

      On commercial channels, the broadcast is about delivering viewers to the advertisers, not football to the viewers. That's why in England''s first match ITV cut to advertisements about 3 minutes into the match, meaning that English viewers didn't get to see England's first goal of the tournament.

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    15. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except for ITV, which puts an ad break on *while the England team is scoring a goal*.

    16. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      15 minutes of potential commercials smack in the middle of the game. Not everyone watches these at home, and not everyone just gets up and leaves the TV. These games are a huge draw, both locally and via televised feeds. Are you going to claim there are no commercials in that time, or that advertisers simply don't bother?

    17. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by mikechant · · Score: 1

      On commercial channels, the broadcast is about delivering viewers to the advertisers, not football to the viewers. That's why in England''s first match ITV cut to advertisements about 3 minutes into the match, meaning that English viewers didn't get to see England's first goal of the tournament.

      In this particular case, you're wrong. I'm not disagreeing with your first sentence; it's just that the second one does not follow in this case. The reason the goal was missed (on HD only, not SD broadcast) was that someone pressed the wrong button. That's it. If it had been intentional (and ITV never *intentionally* show adverts during play) don't you think they would have put adverts on the SD broadcast (which had about 10x as many viewers) as well?
      ITV are just incompetent.

      But ITV do their best to spoil the atmosphere in other ways by inserting adverts a few seconds before kickoff and twice during half time.

    18. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by delinear · · Score: 1

      This is why I gave up watching what little sport I do watch on ITV a long time ago. They ruined the F1GP for me (now it's back on the Beeb but the FIA have managed to ruin the sport in the meantime), and in a football match where you might get one or two good goals in a 90 minute game, to risk missing them for an ad break is pretty intolerable and you're better off catching the highlights on the BBC later anyway.

    19. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by gfreeman · · Score: 1

      On commercial channels, the broadcast is about delivering viewers to the advertisers, not football to the viewers. That's why in England''s first match ITV cut to advertisements about 3 minutes into the match, meaning that English viewers didn't get to see England's first goal of the tournament.

      Wrong

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    20. Re:Filtering is Uncalled For by drsquare · · Score: 1

      Except the TV rights are sold years in advance, and the advertisers can't pressure the TV companies as the TV companies don't run the tournament. Lower advertising revenue might mean lower bids for TV rights, but that might not affect anything until 2018 or later, and this is the only tournament which has these horns.

  5. vuvuzela website by LowG1974 · · Score: 4, Funny
    Having not heard the sound of the vuvuzelas, I click on the link to their website. Cleverly, they listed these ALTERNATIVE Uses for the VUVUZELA:

    1. Cricket bat.
    2. Hearing Aid.
    3. Petrol funnel.
    4. Water sprayer. (force trumpet side down into water)
    5. Drinking funnel. Nuff said.
    6. 4G mobile communication
    7. Walking stick,
    8. Light saber. (Just insert a torch) as seen on Starwars...
    9. Jousting Stick (simply insert one into another.)
    10. And of coarse... supporting any team/thing you like...

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    1. Re:vuvuzela website by glwtta · · Score: 1

      They left out the most obvious: rectal shaft for vuvuzela enthusiasts.

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    2. Re:vuvuzela website by lul_wat · · Score: 1

      You can hear the sound on 4chan .. it has been driving the trolls crazy. Moot had the good idea to have it play in the background.

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    3. Re:vuvuzela website by hedleyroos · · Score: 1

      The South African army used a similar object as a (translated from Afrikaans) "piss lily". You just stick the small side into the ground and instant toilet!

    4. Re:vuvuzela website by digitig · · Score: 1

      11. Urinal.

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    5. Re:vuvuzela website by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's hard to pronounce, impossible to spell, and it sounds like a euphemism for a chick's rude parts.

      I propose we rename them coon bassoons or kaffer kazoos

    6. Re:vuvuzela website by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      11. Urinal.

      12 Beer bong. No, make that 10.5 beer bong.

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  6. Not alone by alexhs · · Score: 1

    Am I the only...person who doesn't find the noise annoying? (Just curious.)

    No, you're not, I'm in the same position. I'm not watching BTW ;)

    Talk about cultural intolerance...

    Oh, but starting your answer in the title, however, IS definitely annoying ;)

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    1. Re:Not alone by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      The people bothered most by the noise is the players. They've been the ones complaining loudest. Those of us in the stands or living rooms can stuff plugs in our ears, but the soccer players can not. They say they can't hear the refs yelling-out calls, or directions from coaches. It's disrupting the game.

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    2. Re:Not alone by delinear · · Score: 1

      As far as I can tell, the players are complaining about everything - that's pretty much standard for football players (common complaints are that the ball's too sticky, the grass is too bouncy/not bouncy enough, the noise is too loud, it's too hot, it's too cold, there's not enough oxygen, etc, etc) - actually I think that's pretty endemic of the fact that it's generally best to set your excuses up before you lose, so it doesn't sound like sour grapes, but the fact is if it affects both teams equally, it doesn't really disadvantage either unduly.

    3. Re:Not alone by d3ac0n · · Score: 1

      Talk about cultural intolerance...

      Cultural Intolerance?

      Those damned vuvuzelas are an invention that dates to 2000. Yep, just about 10 years old. They aren't a musical tradition, they are a MARKETING ploy. The "vuvuzela" doesn't exist outside soccer, and didn't exist prior to 2000.

      There's no tradition here, just an obnoxious toy.

      Of course, the whole sport is obnoxious to me, (and boring) so I've avoided the vuvzelas by simply not watching.

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  7. Filtering is called for by name_already_taken · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Because it is something foreign, and probably also because it is African, they're all upset.

    Bull shit.

    People are upset because the noise is extremely distracting, conveys nothing about the fans' excitement with the game, and according to a South African audiologist who was on the news yesterday, the sound is well past the threshold for causing hearing damage.

    It would be one thing if the sound changed to reflect the excitement of the crowd during the game, but it doesn't. It's just a constant loud wall of sound at basically the same level from the start of the game to the end.

    It's similar in level and monotony to running jet engines at full throttle on test stands in the stadium, throughout the entire game. It doesn't add, it detracts.

    What you are saying is that traditions have to be respected, no matter how stupid or disruptive they are.

    I propose an alternative. All other countries should create a tradition of randomly setting explosive charges off in their stadiums whenever the South African team is there.

    It's our tradition, and you have to respect it.

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    1. Re:Filtering is called for by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 2, Funny

      All other countries should create a tradition of randomly setting explosive charges off in their stadiums whenever the South African team is there.

      Or apartheid. Beat them at their own game and make 'em sit on the grass a mile away from the stadiums.

    2. Re:Filtering is called for by wowbagger · · Score: 3, Funny

      I propose an alternative. All other countries should create a tradition of randomly setting explosive charges off in their stadiums whenever the South African team is there.

      Since that is not a part of our culture, may I suggest an alternative that is a well established part of our (geek) culture: pointing laser pointers at things. Imagine if every geek in the audience pointed one of the WickedLaser 1W blue lasers at the opposing goalie....

    3. Re:Filtering is called for by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      It's similar in level and monotony to running jet engines at full throttle on test stands in the stadium, throughout the entire game. It doesn't add, it detracts.

      i would totally agree with you, except just this week, with the bases loaded, casey mcghee was at bat in milwaukee while the blue angles were practicing for the weekend air show... they buzzed the stadium right as the pitcher released the ball and casey was forced to take a called strike, and slammed the bat down in disgust. if there were already constant jet engines running during the game, there would be no chance of that distraction ever happening. it might not make anyone more focused, and probably makes them less focused, but also makes them less susceptible to random distraction, and perhaps completely immunized to it. i think it adds AND detracts... i'm not a fan of them.

    4. Re:Filtering is called for by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      Imagine if every geek in the audience pointed one of the WickedLaser 1W blue lasers at the opposing goalie....

      You just made me remember Shaolin Soccer. Thank you.

    5. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Note sure how this was in any way insightful.

      > conveys nothing about the fans' excitement with the game

      Yep, people are just jumping up and down and blowing horns because they are NOT EXCITED! Are you serious?

      > It would be one thing if the sound changed to reflect the excitement of the crowd during the game, but it doesn't

      Have you even watched any of these games? Of course the sound increases at exciting points of the game...

      > What you are saying is that traditions have to be respected, no matter how stupid or disruptive they are.

      How are these traditions disruptive - what have they disrupted ?

      Do they cause fights like the English football matches?

      Do they get drunk like the college parties in the US?

      Nope - people are just having fun - get real.

      > I propose an alternative. All other countries should create a tradition of randomly setting explosive charges off in their stadiums whenever the South African team is there. It's our tradition, and you have to respect it.

      Not sure what tradition this is - care to enlighten me?

      What a completely idiotic comment - "get off my lawn"

    6. Re:Filtering is called for by Michael+Kristopeit · · Score: 1

      Have you even watched any of these games? Of course the sound increases at exciting points of the game...

      maybe his TV has smartsound, or some other technology that attempts to keep the volume relatively stable... i'm sure those chips get pretty hot during these games.

    7. Re:Filtering is called for by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      It's a tradition America started in 2010, duh!

      Nine more years, and we can call it as much a tradition as these damned beehive instruments.

    8. Re:Filtering is called for by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Yes! And even calling it "a national and cultural tradition" is pretty ridiculous. It's been around in some form in SA sporting competitions for what, 15+ years, but apparently it's only really become popular since some South African company started mass producing a cheap plastic version about 10 years ago.

      It's a stupid, annoying fad, and pretending that "Westerners are trying to stop an ancient African tradition" is a bunch of crap.

      Actually, though, I agree that it should not be banned in the S.A. World Cup. FIFA collectively voted decided to host the World Cup in South Africa, and it's not fair to restrict their fans' cheering. But he vast majority of the fans of the countries that make up FIFA think the thing is a stupid distraction. So they have every right to say "blow your horn all you want in the future - and we'll have no interest in ever hosting a major tournament there again..."

    9. Re:Filtering is called for by __aagctu1952 · · Score: 1

      I thought of Arthur C Clarke's A Slight Case of Sunstroke myself...

    10. Re:Filtering is called for by Low+Ranked+Craig · · Score: 1

      Bull shit

      Well, the sound is suspiciously close to the brown note

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    11. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      *I* don't have to respect anything.

      I've got a volume button.

    12. Re:Filtering is called for by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      What you are saying is that traditions have to be respected, no matter how stupid or disruptive they are.

      welcome to political correctness... The hobby of the over educated over paid bored person who has nothing else better to do.

      From what I can tell almost all Sporting event traditions are really stupid... You're not a rocket scientist when you paint all over yourself or blow a horn into someone else's ears non stop simply because you are most likely trashed.

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    13. Re:Filtering is called for by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      I think we should claim that our tradition is to constantly fire off starter pistols throughout the games. Guns are a traditional american fetish, and starter pistols are just like guns, only less hurty.

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    14. Re:Filtering is called for by Mana+Mana · · Score: 1

      I dig the sound, adds to my fanaticism. I get jacked up when all the buzzing going on. Hey, it's every four years, man! Then again, I'd like to see numbers for futbol loving countries' acceptance rate. I'd wager that even in Europe the majority of fans love the sound. If not, I'd wager against it, I'm certain that Latin America, East Asia, South Asia, Africa can't see what all the hoopla is about!

      Shoot, we've let's see, killed the referees -on the field- if we didn't like the calls; had hooliganism---with their concomitant murders via knifings, beatings, mainly in Europe I might say! (so much for European enlightenment, non warlike psyche; stampedes where dozens of fanatics have die per game, multiplied over years, make that decades, yes decades.

      But hey, if the BBC and ESPN say a little exuberasism bothers their viewers, then, well off with their heads. Tempest in a teacup.

    15. Re:Filtering is called for by initialE · · Score: 1

      but i can only point it at him when the camera is facing that way...

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    16. Re:Filtering is called for by feufeu · · Score: 1
      Yeah right.

      If i had one of these lasers i wouldn't waste my time at a soccer match.

      You imply that a significant number of geeks could be present at a soccer match which is, er...words fail me.

    17. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow, finally, a controlled fusion..

    18. Re:Filtering is called for by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      That's not part of football culture, I'm afraid.

      How about we set up one side of the stand with vuvuzela-wielding South Africans, and the other half comprised entirely of Birmingham City and Millwall fans, with a crate of Stella under each seat. Beating the crap out of the opposition's supporters is part of English football tradition.

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    19. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's similar in level and monotony to running jet engines at full throttle on test stands in the stadium, throughout the entire game.

      that would be AWESOME!!!1

    20. Re:Filtering is called for by Jesus_666 · · Score: 1

      It's similar in level and monotony to running jet engines at full throttle on test stands in the stadium, throughout the entire game. It doesn't add, it detracts.

      Are you kidding? A jet engine right in the stadium and the players have to carefully avoid it or get sucked in/roasted by the exhaust flame? That definitely adds to the experience, big time!

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    21. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excuse me, but blowing up brown people is a cherished part of American culture.

    22. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Random explosions aren't part of our culture? I thought they were our culture!

    23. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That happened during the Argentina - Nigeria match, with a green don't-know-how-many W laser pointed at some of the Argentinian players and DT.

    24. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because it is something foreign, and probably also because it is African, they're all upset.

      ...

      People are upset because the noise is extremely distracting, conveys nothing about the fans' excitement with the game, and according to a South African audiologist who was on the news yesterday, the sound is well past the threshold for causing hearing damage.

      It would be one thing if the sound changed to reflect the excitement of the crowd during the game, but it doesn't. It's just a constant loud wall of sound at basically the same level from the start of the game to the end.

      ...

      I watched (well, had the TV on, anyway) about 10 minutes of the England-USA game and had to turn the volume way down because of that annoying noise. I had no idea what it was but the thought crossed my mind "no wonder soccer doesn't catch on in the US, it's relatively dull to watch and annoying to listen to".

    25. Re:Filtering is called for by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a short story that explored this theme (it was written by Arthur C. Clarke, but I've forgotten the title and can't seem to find it). The primary difference was that the target was the ref.

  8. Opensource Cross platform Puredata Patch Vuvuzela by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Me and my friend made a Puredata patch (http://puredata.info) to filter the vuvuzela sound. You have the ability to choose the sound also, making it more dynamic.
    check it at http://joaomartins.entropiadesign.org/2010/06/15/vuvuzela-filter-a-puredata-approach/

  9. Too much work by Al+Al+Cool+J · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When the World Cup started, I thought of playing around with notch filters to remove the noise, but the whole thing just reeked of effort. The human brain is actually pretty good at filtering out noise if you give it a chance. Just watch the games and don't worry about the vuvuzelas and before long you won't even notice them. I don't. It's a lot like what happens when you live next to a highway.

    1. Re:Too much work by SomeJoel · · Score: 5, Funny

      The human brain is actually pretty good at filtering out noise if you give it a chance.

      Well, that and progressive hearing loss.

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    2. Re:Too much work by D+Ninja · · Score: 5, Funny

      What?

    3. Re:Too much work by slugicide · · Score: 1

      It's not just that the buzz sucks, it's that the songs and chants and crowd reaction is drowned out.

    4. Re:Too much work by SlashDev · · Score: 1

      What highway?

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    5. Re:Too much work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the World Cup started, I thought of playing around with notch filters to remove the noise, but the whole thing just reeked of effort. The human brain is actually pretty good at filtering out noise if you give it a chance. Just watch the games and don't worry about the vuvuzelas and before long you won't even notice them. I don't. It's a lot like what happens when you live next to a highway.

      That's true. You probably don't even hear the spinning of your computer fan a few feet from your ear.

      Oh, you do now?

      My bad! Have fun sleeping tonight while you are torrenting!

    6. Re:Too much work by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      It's a 120+ db sound. It can easily cause hearing loss in people in the stadium.

    7. Re:Too much work by glwtta · · Score: 1

      Sure you tune it out after a while, but the problem is they drown out all other ambient noise, making this the first World Cup that no one came to see (at least if you are watching it on TV).

      Oh yeah, and there's the whole "players can't hear the whistle" thing. But, hey, who cares about the game when you can make some obnoxious fucking noise!

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    8. Re:Too much work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh?

    9. Re:Too much work by Klinky · · Score: 3, Funny

      I would say woosh but you probably won't be able to hear it over the vuvuzelas...

    10. Re:Too much work by siwelwerd · · Score: 1

      The human brain is actually pretty good at filtering out noise if you give it a chance. Just watch the games and don't worry about the vuvuzelas and before long you won't even notice them.

      I notice them a little at the beginning of the game, but even more so right after the half. Usually by the hour mark I've completely phased them out again though.

    11. Re:Too much work by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, but they're all in the South African end.

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    12. Re:Too much work by StarDrifter · · Score: 1

      What?

      WELL, THAT AND PROGRESSIVE HEARING LOSS.

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    13. Re:Too much work by gknoy · · Score: 1

      What's this about oppressive steering floss? How does that make any sense?

    14. Re:Too much work by johanatan · · Score: 1

      Got your Text To Speech system turned up too loud again?

  10. The most annoying sound in the world. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Turn up your volume and go to Robot 9000. Warning: your sensibilities may be offended by the other content.

    1. Re:The most annoying sound in the world. by qubezz · · Score: 0

      To be annoyed by /r9k/ (at least audibly), Javascript is required. You almost got a mod down 'offtopic' because I block this kind of nonsense by default.

  11. Wow, bad editing by Arivia · · Score: 4, Informative

    The BBC themselves has an article up (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8738604.stm) about the ineffectiveness of this filter, the issues filtering out the noise of vuluzelas could cause for the coverage in general, and the rest of their own good reasons for NOT using this shim.

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    1. Re:Wow, bad editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "I'm looking at its wave patterns and there are at least six very strong harmonics in there. It would sound really horrible to notch these out - if one coincides with the vowel sound e, you won't be able to hear the -es in the commentary. It would sound unnatural."

      "They can also change the balance between crowd noise and the commentary box, as these have separate mics."

      Couldn't you then just apply the notch filters to the crowd mics ?

    2. Re:Wow, bad editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      That's a surprisingly bullshit-packed article for the BBC. There's a key paragraph in the middle that the rest of the article blithely ignores, pretending they can only filter on the combined audio:

      "They can also change the balance between crowd noise and the commentary box, as these have separate mics. But they wouldn't want to take out the crowd noise completely, because then there'd be no atmosphere," says Mr Cox, who is also professor of acoustics at Salford University.

        It's rather unlikely that the commentator's mics are picking up much vuvuzela sound. If they are, switch 'em out with directional mics and maybe even do the traditional technique of noise cancelling by using a second mic. This is easy and cheap to do. It's the crowd mics that are picking up all the crap, and it really doesn't matter too much if you slice out a few frequency ranges there.

    3. Re:Wow, bad editing by tverbeek · · Score: 1

      Nothing but excuses for not having the balls to stand up to hooligans.

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    4. Re:Wow, bad editing by Lumpy · · Score: 1

      Because the BBC guy that talked about it was a complete idiot.

      ALL sporting events covered by competent broadcasters have seperate microphones for crowd and everyone else. filtering the crowd mics will reduce 80% of it.

      The BBC guy they interviewed must have been the toilet cleaner or the CEO... either one is completely clueless on the subject.

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    5. Re:Wow, bad editing by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      Why are they filtering the commentary and the crowd? Can't they feed the commentator track through another audio channel? Seems like that would make filtering that much easier.

    6. Re:Wow, bad editing by Malc · · Score: 1

      The thing I'm missing is crowd noise, and that wouldn't help that. So far only the English fans have been able to out sing this blasted things. The ups and downs in the crowd sound really adds to the atmosphere, but these horns are levelling everything out and making it flat aurally.

      How much of the crowd noise do the studio mics pic up?

    7. Re:Wow, bad editing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so they can't filter the sound from the pitch BEFORE they add the commentators? think they need to hire an engineer...

    8. Re:Wow, bad editing by digitig · · Score: 1

      "I'm looking at its wave patterns and there are at least six very strong harmonics in there. It would sound really horrible to notch these out - if one coincides with the vowel sound e, you won't be able to hear the -es in the commentary. It would sound unnatural."

      "They can also change the balance between crowd noise and the commentary box, as these have separate mics."

      Couldn't you then just apply the notch filters to the crowd mics ?

      Or just add a cancelling signal? On another subject, does snake oil dull one's hearing?

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  12. Eh.. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    My brain filtered it out after about 30 seconds. I actually think it's slightly less annoying than the background cheering during a typical NFL game.

    1. Re:Eh.. by riceboy50 · · Score: 1

      It doesn't bother me either. The buzz of the stadium lends excitement and dramatic tension to the match.

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    2. Re:Eh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really bad for casual watching... if I want to just turn the tv on and do something else with half an eye on the TV.

      Cheering during a typical NFL game isn't as bad, because the cheering isn't constant the whole game. Cheering gets louder or softer depending on what is happening in the game. From what I can tell, the vuvuzelas go at a constant loudness no matter what happens during the game.

    3. Re:Eh.. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      ...the cheering isn't constant the whole game. Cheering gets louder or softer depending on what is happening in the game. From what I can tell, the vuvuzelas go at a constant loudness no matter what happens during the game.

      Exactly. It's much more difficult to tune out a sound of varying intensity than a monotonous drone. How often do you notice your computer fan? Or your central air? Or your sprinklers (if you have them)? More often when they're new, then maybe for a few seconds when they first turn on, but after that it fades into the background. I think the biggest reason people have a problem with it is because it's different than what they're used to; it's new.

    4. Re:Eh.. by v1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      after listening to the "before" and "after" application of the notch filter, I quickly noticed that when you removed the vuvu's, you ended up with a slightly quieter, equally annoying general sound of the crowd.

      The announcer really wasn't any easier to understand when the vuvus were removed. The audio's average level was just a little lower. (which did make it slightly easier on the ears)

      Not much of an improvement. I can't imagine them banning vuvus would have much of an impact on the game -- for example, the crowd noise itself would be almost equally effective at preventing the players from communicating. So unless you're going to surround the pitch with a Cone of Silence, you're just going to have to deal with noise, whether you're on the pitch or behind the big screen.

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    5. Re:Eh.. by Dahamma · · Score: 4, Informative

      I can't imagine them banning vuvus would have much of an impact on the game -- for example, the crowd noise itself would be almost equally effective at preventing the players from communicating

      Actually, it is much worse than normal crowd noise - they have already shown that a vuduzela can generate 125dB from 1m. 40,000 of those things can most definitely cause a level of hearing damage that normal cheering cannot.

      I was in one of the louder indoor arenas (the HP Pavilion in San Jose) when it got over 105dB in the NHL playoffs - that was enough to cause my eardrums to literally start clipping, and a bit of pain after a while. I couldn't imagine 125+ dB for almost 2 hours straight...

    6. Re:Eh.. by thegarbz · · Score: 1

      Want to know what I didn't hear during the televised shows? The crowd gasping and cheering during exciting critical moments of the game.

      Hearing just the crowd is a major improvement in atmosphere. I couldn't care less about the announcers.

    7. Re:Eh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ever tried talking to someone in a loud bar? Don't you have to raise your voice just to talk to someone a foot away?

      Perhaps if they took away the horns the crowd would be quieter too. Unless the country also has a tradition of shouting for no reason through the entire match?

    8. Re:Eh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but, at least we could hear some sounds from the game. like when player hits the ball, judge whistle..

    9. Re:Eh.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a long time soccer player and soccer fan (I watched the World Cup in person when it was in the US in '94, and fans here were pretty respectful) let me just say: fuck those horns. The complaints of players alone is enough for me to call for a ban. They're used to fans making noise at key moments to try and distract them, they're used to the flash of cameras, they're used to everything else in other venues. The constant extremely loud droning hum of these things is disrupting play. Fuck those horns and fuck every fan that whines about their rights. It's not about you. It's about the goddamn game being played in front of you, you disrespectful assholes.

    10. Re:Eh.. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      That’s why ear protectors are completely sold out and there are even people selling cheap self-made ones on the streets.
      Good ones might reduce the noise by 40 dB. Which makes them bearable. But cheaps ones might only lower it by -10 to -20 dB. Which still is way too loud. I personally would go with noise-cancelling headphones over earplugs and a hat with a built-in cooling fan. But then again, why not just stay at home? :)

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    11. Re:Eh.. by v1 · · Score: 1

      but, at least we could hear some sounds from the game. like when player hits the ball, judge whistle

      I'd venture a guess that's why the refs use flags (or hand signals) in stadium sports like soccer, american football, and baseball.

      They realize nobody's going to be able to hear them.

      Tennis and golf are two sports that take the opposite approach. For golf it's just the incredible concentration aspect, but for tennis it's actually quite important to hear how hard your opponent hit the ball. (which is abused frequently nowadays by players making strategic loud grunts/screams/moans almost every time they hit the ball nowadays... which I think is cheap)

      Those two, if you make much noise in the crowd you WILL be removed.

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  13. What are the chances of that? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 5, Funny

    Chatroulette and sports broadcasters all trying to filter out the horn on the same day?

    1. Re:What are the chances of that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a conspiracy! Women are afraid and envious of the almighty Phallus!

  14. Apartheid, AIDS, and Vuvuzelas by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1, Funny

    South Africa's proud history.

    But hey, at least they made District 9!

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  15. Streaming filter using SoX on Linux by rbeattie · · Score: 4, Informative

    I wrote up a blog post about using Sound eXchange (sox) to filter the sound here: http://www.russellbeattie.com/blog/linux-command-line-streaming-vuvuzela-filter , but the short version is this:

    rec -d vol .5 equalizer 233 .1o -48 equalizer 466 .03o -48 equalizer 932 .02o -48 equalizer 1864 .2o -24 | play -d

    or from a response to my post here: http://www.yusufk.za.net/?p=520

    rec -d | play -d vol 0.9 bandreject 116.56 3.4q bandreject 233.12 3.4q bandreject 466.24 3.4q bandreject 932.48 3.4q bandreject 1864 3.4q

    After testing, I feel the parameters could be tweaked a bit more - but these definitely make a difference.

    -Russ

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    1. Re:Streaming filter using SoX on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And here's the VLC filter by a friend of mine:

      WorldCup 2010 VLC Vuvuzela Filter

  16. hysterical... by Adult+film+producer · · Score: 0

    Not a big soccer (futbol) fan myself but I thought people were overreacting to the noise... shit, what sporting event doesn't have some crazy noise. I caught this video on youtube this afternoon and laughed my ass off....

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ih-ykzmodQQ

    It's pretty shocking even to me.... the buzzing sound is nonstop? whats up with that?

    I'd like to figure out a way to modify the vuvuzela to produce the brown note..... then distribute them free to everybody in SA :-)

  17. Re:Opensource Cross platform Puredata Patch Vuvuze by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although it's for the geeky-minded football fan ( a rare kind of mutant ) ... I support it

  18. The answer is simple: by ZERO1ZERO · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:The answer is simple: by commodore64_love · · Score: 1

      That video is hilarious!

      And strangely accurate. I'm glad I don't have to sit in that stadium.

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  19. Using that argument... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the horns should only be sounded when its African teams playing.

  20. Re:Opensource Cross platform Puredata Patch Vuvuze by rlameiro · · Score: 2, Interesting

    well, its a bit geeky, but it is cross platform and open source :D

  21. South African Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    As a South African, I wholeheartedly support anything that annoys the opposition.

    After listening to what the British call "singing" ( same sound a cat makes when held by the tail ) - the vuvuzelas come as welcome break.

    Nick, Cape Town

    1. Re:South African Here by Kenshin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As a South African, I wholeheartedly support anything that annoys the opposition.

      Just don't expect "the opposition" to bring their shows to your country anytime soon. No FIFA, no Olympics, no big international events of any type. They're all gonna watch at these broadcasts, listen to the worldwide complaints, and mark "don't broadcast events from here" with an arrow pointing to South Africa on their maps of the world.

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    2. Re:South African Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If the South Africans can bring their tooters, then can I bring my LRAD system?

    3. Re:South African Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you'll like it when Americans revive one of our traditional ways of annoying the opposition next time your team comes here: beating them in an alley the night before a match.

    4. Re:South African Here by sznupi · · Score: 1

      You realise you just said that you prefer your team not competing on equal terms? Why you want the help of vuvuzelas for them?...

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    5. Re:South African Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know what the difference is between your snarky nationalism and racism?

      Nothing, really.

      Its just as fucking stupid, just as toxic, and would you please either shut up or go suck on a shotgun, to make the world a better place? We won't miss you.

    6. Re:South African Here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because negros suck at soccer. Filthy unruly beasts.

  22. Meh. by Shadow+Wrought · · Score: 3, Funny

    Call me when it works on Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.

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    1. Re:Meh. by John+Hasler · · Score: 1

      Try the "off" switch. It works on all of them.

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    2. Re:Meh. by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Neutralization of Glenn Beck: The only noble use for the Vuvuzela.

    3. Re:Meh. by Nimey · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Which sort of "off" switch, though? .30-06? 7.62x54R?

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    4. Re:Meh. by jd2112 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Call me when it works on Glenn Beck or Rush Limbaugh.

      My TV has a control labeled 'Brightness', but it didn't seem to help...

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    5. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Next time include Olbermann in there to conceal the fact that that you are a card carrying neoCOM.

    6. Re:Meh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Chatroulette 'Big Dick' filter sounds like it should do the job - thay are large stout pinkish objects ejaculating body fluids

  23. Captain Obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    discovered that the horn sound can be effectively filtered out by applying a couple of digital notch filters to the audio at the frequencies the horn produces

    Captain Obvious to the rescue.

  24. Get a vuvuzela! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It is simple - buy a vuvuzela and start blowing it yourself. I did that and suddenly the noise does not bother me at all!

    And foreigners should stop complaining about vuvuzelas - they had a say in the matter, and that was when they bought, or more accurately, did not buy, tickets. If they bought enough tickets, FIFA wouldn't have had to pack the stadiums at the last minute by selling a bunch of cheap tickets to us South Africans. Less South Africans means less vuvuzelas.

    As a South African citizen I am very offended. Our tax money went towards paying for this (and we make no money from this, never would have), we had to buy the tickets that foreigners did not take up and we are actually there to support the foreign teams. But the press overseas go OUT OF THEIR WAY to be negative. From ridiculous BS that we are on the verge of a race war (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2920139/White-supremacist-murder-sparks-World-Cup-race-war-fears.html), while the actually reality is more something akin to the biggest party ever (http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Soweto-residents-welcome-rugby-fans-20100522).

    The Vuvuzela's is just the latest - find something that can possibly be wrong and focus exclusively on that. Well -- the McDonald's ads right next to the field is WAY more distracting and irritating than any vuvuzela IMHO.

    1. Re:Get a vuvuzela! by blackraven14250 · · Score: 1

      Oh holy shit, millions of people didn't fly to South Africa to watch some soccer games and you guys had to buy tickets! All this, despite your government putting in a bid for the tournament and having to pay for the infrastructure to support it! The tragedy!

    2. Re:Get a vuvuzela! by Nimey · · Score: 0

      Kill yourself.

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    3. Re:Get a vuvuzela! by sznupi · · Score: 1

      One only wonders what portions of those who "did not buy tickets" were put off by the perspective of vuvuzela...

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    4. Re:Get a vuvuzela! by Jesus_666 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't give a shit about what people do in SA. What gets on my nuts is drunk Germans running around in Germany after a game, blowing into plastic horns. The traditional "driving around in your car while randomly hitting the horn" has the advantage of the idiots moving fast enough that they're out of earshot after a few seconds.

      This has nothing to do with South Africa. It has everything to do with annoying pricks now having a new toy to annoy the crap out of me with. I wish you a great World Cup, really. You're not at fault for so many soccer fans being adult-sized noisy brats. But don't expect me to not complain when you give the not-so-little pests new weapons of mass annoyance.

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    5. Re:Get a vuvuzela! by soppsa · · Score: 1

      they had a say in the matter, and that was when they bought, or more accurately, did not buy, tickets. If they bought enough tickets, FIFA wouldn't have had to pack the stadiums at the last minute by selling a bunch of cheap tickets to us South Africans

      Wow... just wow.. That is the first time I've heard someone complaining about affordable seats for locals in an international sporting event. Bravo.

  25. Old Technology by PPH · · Score: 1

    The notch filtering is probably quite similar to that developed to remove the nasal drone of Howard Cosell from football (American) game broadcasts.

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  26. I got a fever and the only prescription.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    IS MORE VUVUZELAS!!

  27. vuvuzelas are a recent tradition by $lashdot · · Score: 5, Informative

    An earlier poster wrote:

    I've seen a lot of comments around the Internet insinuating that if you hate the sound of vuvuzelas, then you're a colonial racist who hates South African culture.

    The funny thing is that the vuvuzelas are a recent introduction into South African culture. They are not only post-Colonial, they are post-Apartheid.

    The maker of the horns admits that the prototype came from the USA... http://www.boogieblast.co.za/vuvuzela.htm

    and this has been known in wider soccer circles for at least a year... http://www.footballiscominghome.net/the-hosts/the-vuvuzela/

    and while the plastic horns have been around since the late 90s in South Africa... http://www.southafrica.info/2010/vuvuzela.htm

    the current mass-producer only started up in 2001... http://www.vuvuzelas.com/about.html

    Additionally, there's the blaringly obvious notion that the vuvuzela looks nothing like the kudu horn it allegedly comes from and looks everything like a cheap rip-off of the sort of long thin horns you see draped with flags playing fanfares when kings enter in films set in the middle ages, but I suppose it's expecting a lot for everyone to think critically. Last time I checked, kudu horns didn't have embouchures, either, which is what allows the plastic horn blowers to last all game.

    1. Re:vuvuzelas are a recent tradition by treeves · · Score: 1

      "The maker of the horns admits that the prototype came from the USA." I've seen/heard them here in the states (Portland, OR) at soccer games (in very limited numbers). I'd also seen an article (at bbc.co.uk I think) that said that there was a Baptist church in South Africa who are quite upset that the vuvuzela is being used this way since they use them in religious ceremony, and play it a lot more skillfully. Theirs are metal, and it was undesirable to let crowds carrying three-foot long metals horn into stadiums, so they made them of plastic instead. I'd guess the real reason is plastic is cheaper by far and easier to fabricate. I found this: http://aubreygroves.blogspot.com/2010/06/disturbing-vuvuzelas.html So what is the real origin?

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    2. Re:vuvuzelas are a recent tradition by Kreigaffe · · Score: 1

      Recent tradition = fad

      let's call a cigar a cigar.

      and, yeah, you're not the only one amused by how this is boiling down to a matter of European domination over a colonial empire.. when it actually has absolutely nothing at all, not even the most tenuous thread, tying the two together. And what we're left with is a (largely white an European) ruling body unable to act on an activity that is harmful to fans and easily curtailed because it's mostly African fans engaging in it and someone threw down the race card, even though there's absolutely nothing racist or colonial or discriminatory going on at all. It's just the baseless accusation, and that was enough to win. Just.. real sad and pathetic when you break it down like that.

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    3. Re:vuvuzelas are a recent tradition by rminsk · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Neil van Schalkwyk, who brought the vuvuzela to the mass market has partnered with Uthango Social Investments to sell ear plugs to fans for R25 a pair. http://www.sport24.co.za/Soccer/WorldCup/NationalNews/Vuvuzelas-unplugged-for-some-20100611

    4. Re:vuvuzelas are a recent tradition by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Blame China, they're probably making the things.

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    5. Re:vuvuzelas are a recent tradition by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

      Man it is pathetic. Just pathetic. I am in South Africa watching that damn world cup and I can tell you me and probably another 100s of thousands won't ever come back to this place.
      This is probably the worst place in Earth. They aren't able to communicate, they just try to be funny and they are pathetically retarded. You can't walk in the streets because there are hordes of criminals beating and robbing tourists. Police is very corrupt and THEY ASK MONEY FROM YOU if you try to do a police report of a crime.
      It is a criminal country and everything is mud and dirt all around, like the stadiums aren't even finished! You can cut yourself in the many unfinished metal parts.
      If they have all those mineral riches we should NUKE this country and take them for the US and also do a favor for the humankind by exterminating the South Africans.

    6. Re:vuvuzelas are a recent tradition by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      An earlier poster wrote:

      The entire point of a threaded discussion like Slashdot is that you can hit the reply button and reply directly to a comment, not create a new thread referencing the old one...

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  28. Good start but... by snowboardin159 · · Score: 0

    Its too bad that more countries havent adopted the American style of Football, but i'm sure glad theres noone in my family that watches soccer. On topic, theres a MUTE button that works real well on my tv for filtering out annoying sounds, and also soccer is so boring in the first place this just seems like a signal to turn the channel.

    1. Re:Good start but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      obvious troll.

  29. Marketing tip for next time by Jeff+Archambeault · · Score: 1

    Its probably to late to make a large enough batch that are 180 degrees out of phase with the ones currently being used, but for next time, making 50% of them out of phase would make them self-quieting.

    Maybe a ringtone or mp3 that is 180 degrees out could be quickly deployed.

    Two negatives make a positive, and two positives make a negative. Yeah, right.

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    1. Re:Marketing tip for next time by v1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      batch that are 180 degrees out of phase with the ones currently being used

      considering the number of them going off at once (hundred thousand or so?) and the fact that they're all fairly close to the same frequency already, statistically there's already another one going off that's 180 deg of phase of any one you look at.

      None of that matters though. For one, the location of the observer is important for phase cancellation. These flakes are everywhere in the crowd. Echoes also get around the effect.

      anyway, there are so many reasons that won't work I'm somewhat at a loss for where to start, but that's best effort off the cuff in simple terms.

      If you want to try a really freaky experiment though with cancellation, find two people that can whistle well, that have a fine degree of control over their whistle. Have one strike a very stable tone. Have the other try to match it. When they get to within less than a cycle of each other, it produces a very interesting moving zero-beat. At that point it becomes a challenge to hold, because BOTH whistlers will start periodically losing the ability to hear their own whistle, and that loss of self-feedback tends to make them drift. ("I'm blowing, but I don't HEAR anything") A third person observing will not hear two whistlers, but instead hears the source of the whistle appear to float back and forth between the two whistlers, sometimes very slowly, even to the point of outright stopping between the two, even if at a distance of several feet.

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    2. Re:Marketing tip for next time by sznupi · · Score: 1

      But it would work wonderfully in the form of typical noise-cancelling headphones (just targeting the sound; would be useful for players or referees...), I guess?

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    3. Re:Marketing tip for next time by timnbron · · Score: 1

      Easy! Just infiltrate the crowd with thousands of trained trumpeters who play them 2.128ms after the person standing next to them!

      Pity, that only cuts out one harmonic. However, I've occasionally had problems playing trombone next to a bass guitar. The amplified tone somehow cancels out my note and all I get is a muffled rasp.

      Maybe we could have speakers concealed under the seats carefully tuned to play the exact opposite of whatever they pick up around them?

      I know - how about installing colonies of African wasps trained to attack anything that sounds like them?

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    4. Re:Marketing tip for next time by digitig · · Score: 1

      Its probably to late to make a large enough batch that are 180 degrees out of phase with the ones currently being used, but for next time, making 50% of them out of phase would make them self-quieting.

      Maybe a ringtone or mp3 that is 180 degrees out could be quickly deployed.

      Two negatives make a positive, and two positives make a negative. Yeah, right.

      Like this? "Yeah, right" is about right.

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    5. Re:Marketing tip for next time by v1 · · Score: 1

      noise canceling headphones work because their cancelers are in a fixed position relative to your ears. So you'd need to be wearing headphones of some sort. But in this application, not to block the noise, but to provide a stable fixed location to receive and attempt to cancel the sound as it approached your eardrums.

      You can't just drop a "noise canceling box" next to your chair, or give someone else a somehow matched horn. Even once you got it set right, turning your head would ruin the effect.

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    6. Re:Marketing tip for next time by sznupi · · Score: 1

      Yeah, was thinking strictly about headphones / perhaps the manufacturers of noise cancelling ones have some lightweight models, & adequate for sport activities. After modification, to target primarily the trumpet frequencies, players would appreciate it, I guess ;)

      Too bad one needs to know the relative positions of microphone, picking the sounds to be cancelled, and headphone speaker doing the cancelling (though "fixed position relative to your ears" isn't as crucial, I imagine? (apart from obvious advantage that headphones are damn close to ears) After all, it would be damn hard to position them within less than a wavelentgt / it's mostly about the speaker outputting what microphone picks up, just shifted by half-wavelenght?). And too bad it couldn't be really made to work with, say, cheap corded headsets bundled with mobile phones (usual in-ear headphones + microphone & answer button on a cable). Or...perhaps there is some trick thanks to which such setup could at least work a bit?

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    7. Re:Marketing tip for next time by v1 · · Score: 1

      Or...perhaps there is some trick thanks to which such setup could at least work a bit?

      Since the whole goal of noise canceling is to time sound to work against the other sound, knowing everything's exact position is essential.

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    8. Re:Marketing tip for next time by sznupi · · Score: 1

      "Trick" as in - I wonder if there are perhaps at least some mostly psychoacoustic effects, not pure physical ones, which might give something, "a bit"(?). And managing to be much less irritating than any noise of course(?). ;P

      Hm, I guess many "sounds of nature" (perhaps with some slight, non-irritating background white noise added?) are probably the best form of that already?

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  30. If you are distracted by horns at a football game by axl917 · · Score: 1

    then you have the attention span of a piece of lawn furniture.

    I love it, it adds color and atmosphere to what has so far been several rather ho-hum matchups.

  31. Thank the gods by Dexter+Herbivore · · Score: 2, Funny

    I fell asleep on the couch watching a game the other night... I woke up from a nightmare of being attacked by giant bees.

  32. OH YEAH by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So that's the annoying sound on /b/...

  33. Meanwhile in *this* corner... by RevWaldo · · Score: 1

    Others are working to bring the joy of vuvuzelas to the rest of the world. Sorta like OLPC, but in the other direction.

    http://laughingsquid.com/vuvuzela-iphoneipad-app-annoy-while-on-the-go/

    Oh, sure, Steve Jobs would sign off on this. Boobies? No. Vuvuzelas? You betcha.

    (And yes, there's a whole bunch of vuvuzelapps for Android too.)

    .

  34. There are only three sports by Burning1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "There are only three sports: bullfighting, motor racing, and mountaineering; all the rest are merely games." ~ Earnest Hemingway

    (Full disclosure: I race motorcycles.)

    1. Re:There are only three sports by tsm_sf · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'll consider bullfighting to be a sport when the first undefeated bull retires.

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    2. Re:There are only three sports by liquidsin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      yeah, i really can't see how multiple humans, armed, some mounted on horseback, against a single animal trapped in a big pen can be called "sport" by anyone. it's torture porn; nothing more than drawn-out slaughter.

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    3. Re:There are only three sports by YeeHaW_Jelte · · Score: 1

      I'm not falling for your tricks bud! Calling him Earnest instead of Ernest will not make his point more valid!

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    4. Re:There are only three sports by Hognoxious · · Score: 4, Funny

      A guy on holiday in Spain, feels somewhat hungry, so goes into the village restaurant. Gets the menu and after some careful study, orders the paella. Quite tasty it was too, but there was an absolutely delicious smell coming from the next table, where one of the locals, Carlos, was eating.

      He calls over the waiter, and in his best holiday Spanish asks: "Tell me, what is that dish there, the one that smells so fantastic."

      The Waiter replies: Ah yes, that is made from certain rather delicate areas of prime freshly killed bull. It is then marinated in our secret sauce mix, and garnished with fresh herbs, and just a touch of garlic, with our special red wine dribbling.

      "Sounds superb, may I have some please.?"

      "For you sir, as a special favour. But we have none left today. Come back tomorrow, an hour or so after the bullfight finishes"

      The guy arrives on cue, his meal is ready, piping hot and tastes out of this world.

      He calls the waiter over again, tips him hugely, sends his compliments to the chef, but asks. "But tell me, why was my portion so much smaller than the one Carlos had yesterday"?"

      The waiter shrugged and replied "Senor, sometimes the bull wins...".

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    5. Re:There are only three sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't consider bullfighting a sport, nor like it for what matters, but you haven't chosen the best argument. A fast google search shows that at least 30 bulls were pardoned in Spain in 2008 and left the ring alive.

        http://blancoyoro.blogspot.com/2008/11/toros-indultados-en-espaa-en-2008.html

    6. Re:There are only three sports by Necroloth · · Score: 5, Insightful
      I recently came from Spain and attended a bullfight in Seville... I didn't understand what all the protesters were campaigning about.

      Then I saw the bullfight.

      It was torture, plain and simple.

      I'm glad I saw it to witness the reality of it and next time I'm there, I'll join the protest.

    7. Re:There are only three sports by Rhaban · · Score: 1, Troll

      Racing is never a sport if motors are involved.

    8. Re:There are only three sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then you already do heh. Actually if the bull is good enough, he isn't killed and retires... although as you probably know it doesn't happen often. At all.

    9. Re:There are only three sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Search "toro indultado". You will see a lot of them.

    10. Re:There are only three sports by StuckInSyrup · · Score: 1

      Poor old Ernesto. He was the Earnest of all the Hemingways. Too bad he's dead now.

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    11. Re:There are only three sports by munozdj · · Score: 1

      In bullfighting there's a figure called 'Indulto'. It could be translated as 'pardon'. When a bull has been very good in the court, it's life is pardoned and the animal goes back to its corral as a stud. I'd think that's quite a retirement.

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    12. Re:There are only three sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The sport is not about whether the bullfighter is killed or the bull is killed, it's about the competence and style of the bullfighter. If bullfighting is not a sport then gymnastics is not a sport.

    13. Re:There are only three sports by key.aaron · · Score: 1

      Actually that does happen. If the torero believes that the bull is exceptional and performed extremely well then he can pardon it. Then the bull goes off and makes bull babies for the rest of his life.

    14. Re:There are only three sports by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

      Funny, nobody in Spain calls it a sport, neither supporters nor opponents. Besides that, bulls do retire undefeated on a semi-regular basis. They're spared when they're considered exceptional, and they become luxury studs for their owners. Don't get me wrong, I don't like bullfighting; Never been to a "corrida" although both my grandfathers loved it. But if you're against bullfights and you're not a vegan, I'd be tempted to use the hypocrite card. The life of a bullfighting bull, even the ones that are not spared, is much better than that of most animals in our food chain.

    15. Re:There are only three sports by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      If gymnastics is a sport, then so are flower arranging and playing the violin.

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    16. Re:There are only three sports by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      The life of a housecat is much better than the life of a stray, but that doesn't mean you should pull its tail. If these guys were to face a bull one-on-one, alone in a field, with just a stick to defend themselves, I might call it a sport*.

      *out in the west it's called "stream fishing"

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    17. Re:There are only three sports by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

      And my point is that it's not a sport. It's a show, entertainment basically. As per the cat argument, I don't see your point. For a bull, there seem to be two life options here in the West: Meat source or show business (and then most likely also meat source). If I were to pick one, I'd go for the latter. Protesting bullfighting while eating meat or dairy products is cynical at best.

    18. Re:There are only three sports by tsm_sf · · Score: 1

      Protesting bullfighting while eating meat or dairy products is cynical at best.

      I don't believe that eating meat is much more cruel than what an animal could expect in the wild, but I do see a great deal of needless cruelty going into the practice.

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    19. Re:There are only three sports by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I lived in France we had mini-Corridas in our village.
      These were really sport though, as the aim of the game was to hook little rosettes over the bull's horns. The winner was the one with the most rosettes once the time was up.
      The bulls did tend to get quite pissed off though :-)

    20. Re:There are only three sports by pablodiazgutierrez · · Score: 1

      Have you seen cats (I assume the same is true for wilder animals) training their kitties to hunt mice? They catch the prey and weaken it until it's almost passed out, then hand it over to the kitties. They play with it, biting and tapping on it. Eventually, the mouse gets a hold of itself and attempts to escape, only to again being trapped by the adult cat, and the game begins all over. I know, we're more rational than cats and should know better than to torture animals, but my argument is that the 15 minutes of suffering for a "toro bravo" are nothing compared to what your typical cattle head goes through for life.

  35. Filtering option if you're willing to pay by Atacama93 · · Score: 1

    Waves Audio is offering a processing chain for their own tool as well as for Cubase and the very popular ProTools.

    http://www.waves.com/content.aspx?id=5798

    The equalizer is $300 and the noise supressor is $2900. I think they are targeting above my level of concern.

    1. Re:Filtering option if you're willing to pay by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      The equalizer is $300 and the noise supressor is $2900.

      I'll take two of each. And a set of oxygen-free cables.

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  36. Re:If you are distracted by horns at a football ga by LordNimon · · Score: 2, Funny

    then you have the attention span of a piece of lawn furniture.

    My lawn furniture is extremely patient, so I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

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  37. Re:If you are distracted by horns at a football ga by billcopc · · Score: 1

    You have it backwards. If the only reason you go to a football game is to blow a stupid horn, maybe you should stay home and wish your father had beaten you more often as a child.

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  38. Interesting by jvkjvk · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I wonder how long before half of what one sees and hears in supposedly "live" TV has been digitally massaged in some manner.

    You could take out ugly buildings to make a scene more aesthetically pleasing, notch out one particular persons voice, or remove an 'annoying' five seconds of tape.

    This subtle dichotomy between actual real life and tv "real life" could widen to the point of audiences being fed the "Leave it to Beaver" version of the real. We're generally already pissed off enough that our lives don't match the fake TV shows but this could bring a whole new level of cognitive dissonance, since these are supposedly "live" evens.

    The horns are there, in the stadium. They may be annoying but they are part of the event. I guess if it turns cloudy, perhaps they can photoshop in some blue sky...

    Regards.

    1. Re:Interesting by nashv · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume that 'live' even today, means authentic? Live only implies the recording and viewing are temporally synced (with some lag of course) - not unmodified. Haven't you seen match scores update instantaneously as the game progresses? Or helpful little scrollers going by on the bottom of the screen ? They obviously have editing capability on a live signal.

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    2. Re:Interesting by dbc · · Score: 1

      Years ago the broadcasters started digitally replacing the advertising signs in ball parks with images that they sold. I'm not sure how it came out, but I do recall that MLB and the ballpark owers were more than mildly annoyed. [CNBITL - citation needed but I'm too lazy.]

    3. Re:Interesting by Gulthek · · Score: 1

      "Live" TV hasn't been an unadulterated feed from a video camera for years.

    4. Re:Interesting by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      Why do you assume that 'live' even today, means authentic? Live only implies the recording and viewing are temporally synced (with some lag of course) - not unmodified. Haven't you seen match scores update instantaneously as the game progresses? Or helpful little scrollers going by on the bottom of the screen ? They obviously have editing capability on a live signal

      Why do you assume that I don't know what I am talking about, and then give such a stupidly simple example?

      You are so right, I hadn't thought of the fact that I see modified live tv already!! on noes!!!

      There is a HUGE difference between overlays, small time cuts (which they do for commercials anyways) and making that cloudy golf day have a beautiful blue sky. Or filtering out the crowd noise (they coudl do the same thing for the songs, and chants, as well, you know). Qualitative and quantitative differences.

      One could even have the commentators remark upon the beautiful weather, showing smiling sunny crowds, etc.

      One of these scenarios presents a much more authentic observation:

      * A screen showing a game with a running score ticker across the bottom

      * A screen showing a game, but in a different stadium than the one it's being played in.

      Regards.

    5. Re:Interesting by nashv · · Score: 1

      I am sorry that my comment has appeared to tick you off. You seem to be arguing about where to draw the line with the extent of modification - which is entirely subjective anyway. The example is 'stupidly simple' because that is all it took illustrate (no pun intended) that the assumption is already superseded.

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    6. Re:Interesting by jvkjvk · · Score: 1

      You mistake yoru reading of my assumption for my assumption.

      So I respectfully disagree.

      Regards.

  39. Vuvuzela == DoS Attack. by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    This may well go on to be the worst World Cup

    Well it already is for me. I suffer from tinnitus, and the vuvuzelas ensure that I can't understand the commentary. I've tried watching with mute on, but that sucks too. Hopefully these filters will rapidly be deployed. Not that that will help the players much.

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    1. Re:Vuvuzela == DoS Attack. by lul_wat · · Score: 2, Funny

      You should turn on the subtitles:

      "bbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz"

      ..damned slashdot not allowing caps-lock.

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  40. I have nothing backwards, kiddo by axl917 · · Score: 1

    If you want refined and quiet, go attend a golf game and leave this to the rest of us.

    1. Re:I have nothing backwards, kiddo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to Digg retard.

    2. Re:I have nothing backwards, kiddo by Per+Wigren · · Score: 1
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  41. Don't hold your breath. by No.+24601 · · Score: 1

    The broadcasters won't do this anytime soon. Why? Because FIFA will drag on their feet on this because the choice is likely up to FIFA as they would be making a material change to the performance. And so far the word from FIFA is that the vuvuzelas are here to stay.

  42. Just wait until 2020 in Sydney... by HockeyPuck · · Score: 2, Funny

    You'll have 15,000 fans all blowing Didgeridoos.

  43. Finnish YLE already applies filtering by Anssi55 · · Score: 1

    The Finnish broadcaster YLE reports that it started filtering the vuvuzela sound on Monday:
    http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2010/06/yle_on_jo_suodattanut_lahetyksista_vuvuzelan_torinaa_1762215.html (Finnish)
    (bad Google translation)

  44. Just another reason... by sdguero · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    For me to NOT watch soccer. Besides the fact that it is arguably the most boring spectator sport (baseball and cricket are right in there). It's also VERY ANNOYING the way the players whine and bitch. They are worse than the euro-floppers in the NBA (btw, NBA is my second least favorite sport before soccer). On Saturday I attempted to watch a little world cup but after about 30 minutes I thought to myself "Wow, South Africans/English people are annoying as shit with those horns." and I turned off the game.

    1. Re:Just another reason... by jjbenz · · Score: 1

      I would say the most boring sports to watch are 1)Nascar (driving around in a circle (oval) for hours) 2)golf (the activity for people that can't play real sports) 3 soccer (at least the players have good cardio fitness)

    2. Re:Just another reason... by BitZtream · · Score: 1

      1) Requires a very high level of skill and believe it or not isn't just a bunch of cars going in circles. I can understand it being boring, but theres actually a fair amount to it, personally I prefer F1.

      2) Have you ever played Golf? Play 18 holes in one day without a golf cart then come back and talk about 'activity', if you finish. I hate golf and used to think it was for utter pussies, the I tried it. I still don't like it, but go ahead, carry a full set of clubs for 18 holes in one day.

      3) Its pretty much the same as every other spectator sport. I fail to see what makes it any different from American football, * racing, basketball, baseball, tennis or whatever, you're just watching someone else do something. They pretty much all suck to watch unless you can fast forward through the slow bits to get the 15 minutes out of the 3-6 hours that are worth watching.

      Good for you for pretending to be witty and clever by insulting things you probably aren't even capable of doing half assed, but you fail, especially at trolling.

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    3. Re:Just another reason... by ledow · · Score: 1

      1) Crap... it might not be something I can do but it's something that any professional driver would find piss easy. There is no challenge except not getting in the way of other drivers. Only Americans seem not to understand this. Please watch a proper rally in the Scottish highlands - with a real course, real obstacles, real skill and (most importantly) some excitement to watching it. F1 is actually WORSE because you can't watch it because everything moves too fast to keep track of (especially if you are watching it in person) and the winners are determined by 0.001 of a second (and kept that way by restrictions on vehicles) and anything considered risky/dangerous/shortcut is not allowed, which is just boring as shit in terms of competition - it's *never* clear who actually is the better driver when a slight tailwind could triple the time difference between two cars.

      2) Golf is 99.9% walking. And nobody professional carries their clubs very far. Even then, so what? It's a slow walk in a cut-down forest (perfectly tuned to hit balls from) to hit an almost-weightless ball towards a distant flag, and then half-hour of going to catch the ball up. Yawn.

      3) Agreed completely.

      However, I have to trump all of the commenters in this post by introducing televised snooker, darts, and bowls (not *bowling*, bowls, on a lawn - it's like a non-ice version of curling). It's gone out of fashion now but until you've spent a Sunday with your granddad watching snooker or darts (and even game shows based around snooker/darts like Pot Black, or Bullseye) you have no idea what a boring sport is.

  45. Re:If you are distracted by horns at a football ga by tverbeek · · Score: 1

    If you stop noticing this noise, it actually demonstrates your short attention span, retard boy.

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  46. Soccer is about as exciting... by hyades1 · · Score: 1, Funny

    ...as watching two 100-year-old crones in a contest to see which one soils her diaper first.

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    1. Re:Soccer is about as exciting... by aevan · · Score: 1

      So you've been to casinos too?

  47. Ear pieces for the players by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    They should at least give the players in ear radios to communicate. Nice noise canceling versions but make sure they are on both a monitored but also encrypted channel.

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    1. Re:Ear pieces for the players by u38cg · · Score: 1

      Yeah, nothing like a burst eardrum from a football smack in the ear :) Even if that could be fixed, it wouldn't help much as radio doesn't carry directional cues, and without them the brain will invent its own, which would lead to some amusing howlers.

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  48. Trivial for broadcasters by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    All broadcasters have extensive filters in their studios. It is trivially easy for a sound engineer to notch out the horns.

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  49. Finland is allready filtering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    English translation
    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fi&tl=en&u=http://yle.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/2010/06/yle_on_jo_suodattanut_lahetyksista_vuvuzelan_torinaa_1762215.html%3Forigin%3Drss

    1. Re:Finland is allready filtering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh. I was wondering why all the people here were up in arms about something that didn't sound so bad or annoying on Finnish TV.

  50. Fixing it for the broadcasters by Bruha · · Score: 1

    They have not looked at the problem in a good way, the commentary can be done isolated from the noise, and they take the original voice of the news guy and splice it in after the notch filters are applied it's a easy fix they could rig up in software.

  51. nope, sailing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We all know that the only cup that matters is the America's Cup!

    1. Re:nope, sailing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, let them keep calling it the World Cup. Its much less humiliating to see the American team lose in the World Cup than it is to see the American team lose in the America's Cup. Besides if a riot breaks out after one, America can always send some aid that way and claim to have saved the World....Cup that is..

  52. Easy by GerryHattrick · · Score: 1

    After a bit, the brain compensates for the notch filter, and they say it's just as annoying. Best to scrub the crowd-track altogether, and dub a repertoire of standard crowd oohs and ahhs (just like the laughter track on too many shows). A dubber representing each side could make the instant selections quickly (like subtitling). Then add-back the commentary track. Result - atmosphere and information. (Pity I don't watch sport).

    1. Re:Easy by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      It's possible the, ummm, sound of the voodooyellers gets picked up in the commentators' booth, but then noise cancelling microphones would help.

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  53. Possible reason for U.S. Animocity against Soccer? by Yosho-sama · · Score: 1

    (On topic, vuvuzelas are annoying as hell, and I hate having to cut out the commentary by turning off the audio)

    I've noticed throughout the World Cup, joyfully, that the game isn't interrupted by a blaring car commercial or a shaving advertisement every 10 minutes.

    In fact, if you're going to measure the popularity of American sporting events by viewers, the top two, baseball and football are also the most heavily inundated by commercials. (I think the statistic was that only 17 minutes out of every hour is spent watching football during a football game) In addition to that, Basketball and Hockey, which are both high-contact, high-movement sports in comparison, can only have commercials placed during the breaks in the periods, which are every 15 minutes and 20 minutes concurrently.

    It makes me wonder, how much of sports fandom in America is about commercialism and how much of it is about physical competition.

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  54. Mustard Pickles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think I've only heard that sound for 5 seconds max.

    On behalf of all slashdot allow me to thank you for your positive contribution to this discussion. And while we're sharing, I don't like mustard pickles.

  55. Erratum by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    That should be "C19th nationalist reaction," obviously.

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  56. You insensitive clod! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I speak English, you insensitive clod!

  57. When in rome by maweki · · Score: 0, Troll

    It is plenty funny here in Germany, because all those conservative/right-wing nutjobs (frankly, more than half the country) who constantly talk about how foreigners here in Germany should play by our rules, abide our social standards and integrate into our society as we see fit, are now saying, that the Africans should celebrate football/soccer like we do in Europe and that the vuvuzelas should be banned.
    Worst of all: They do not even see their own hippocracy and I was nearly thrown out of a pub for being unpatriotic.

    1. Re:When in rome by jabuzz · · Score: 1

      Well given that we in the United Kingdom invented the game, then we in the United Kingdom do indeed have standing to say that you should celebrate *OUR* game in a fashion that *WE* approve of :-)

    2. Re:When in rome by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Or at least let us bloody win from time to time.

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    3. Re:When in rome by PeanutButterBreath · · Score: 1

      In that case, the "World" Cup should be like Major League Baseball's "World" Series.

    4. Re:When in rome by TangoMargarine · · Score: 1

      hippocracy

      A form of government involving rule by hippopotami?

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  58. I love some irrelevent, irrepressible /. memes... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    But are you a soccer fan?

    No!
    I'm a Football Bat, you insensitive clod!
    Well, at least some of the time; other times, I'm a Billiards Iron. ;-)

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  59. Re:Possible reason for U.S. Animocity against Socc by ledow · · Score: 1

    I think you'll find that's not limited to just South Africa either. In the UK, although we *do* have advert breaks on certain channels for certain things, advertisements over and above the usual pitch-side things tend to cause uproar and stopping for an advert break would probably be grounds for rioting. The US stands out here for doing such things - yes at "half-time" in a "soccer" match there is sometimes / usually an advert break but most of the time from 10 minutes before kick-off (if not a lot earlier) to long after the game is finished is 99%, well, the sport you wanted to watch. That's been like that since the first televised game until today.

    Given that people get scholarships for sporting prowess in the US, and that they seem to believe US = "World" (World Series, etc.), it baffles me that they regularly are reported to have ruined sporting coverage. In the last few Olympics they have been criticised for only showing footage of US athletes, or US-centric sports, for instance. And the stop-start nature of many of their sports does give rise to stupid amounts of advertising but it's only encouraged by the populous (given that the *adverts* shown during the big sporting events are eagerly anticipated, and cost the most money to show). Let's be honest - only 17 minutes out of every hour has anything actually *happening* on the field in American Football anyway - it's worse than cricket but thank God it doesn't go on as long.

    I would argue, however, that basketball is an almost-zero-contact sport. At least it was last time I checked the rules, maybe they've changed. And if you want a "high-contact" sport, hockey would probably qualify but rugby would then probably be classed as an "extreme" sport because it's basically American Football without the padding. Even with the sports you mentioned - every 15-20 minutes for a *break*? Seriously? What kind of attention span do US athletes have? I think the problem is not just TV networks - it's the nature of US sports (very stop-start-stop-start-break), the attention span of the viewers (apparently minimal), the tradition of things like high-cost adverts that "must be watched", and the fact that viewers *don't* complain about it enough.

    This is why other countries point at the US - it's what happens when commercialism takes over from entertainment. They did it to Hollywood (will never forgive such blatant advertising in movies as they've been doing in the last 10 years), they did it to the music business, they did it to sports, they even did it to schools (an idea that the UK are now apparently copying wholesale with their corporate-sponsored-school "academy" program). And the US wonders why it gets a reputation of being involved in everything from wars to sports just to ensure its money supplies. I'm afraid that it's a seed that been sown by the US populous itself - when you get excited about an advert, then that advert will be what you see - and a million copycat ones.

    Personally? When TV got boring, I stopped watching it live and now buy pre-recorded content which I know already is good (which I then rip), or watch it on some free service where I complain if there's a single advert on the video (I already ignore static ads on the page anyway). I've actually filed complaints with TV websites for having noisy-flash-adverts - and I wasn't the only one to complain because they were quickly removed. And I'm not alone in such beliefs, which is why most British TV companies are struggling at the moment. "Freeview" gives us hundreds of free digital channels. I've not even seriously looked at it, because it has adverts on most of them (and even entire channels of adverts - a very American invention). Sky's satellite service introduced us to American-style advert breaks and was quickly ditched, though some people still pay a huge monthly fee for the privilege of watching adverts spliced into their favourite programs.

    So what's left if you don't want to watch buckets of adverts ruining your programming? You pay a subscription to

  60. I cant tag this !! by unity100 · · Score: 1

    someone tag this 'vuvuzela'. i very much think it will become a term soon enough.

  61. no he is right. by unity100 · · Score: 0, Troll

    watching a sports is just like watching someone who is very dangerously rocking in a rocking chair. you watch it for the pending excitement. without the horror factor. if you add in the horror factor, you could as well do with watching a horror movie.

    spectator sports are a complete waste of time indeed. UNLESS you actually play them.

    and your anime analogue doesnt hold - animes are pieces that are made to convey thoughts, feelings and events to the beholder. 22 people trying to kick a ball somewhere, isnt.

  62. Mod parent up by unity100 · · Score: 1

    he got it spot on. i posted in this discussion and cant use mod points.

  63. Cue 'Evanescence: Falling Under'.... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    *picks self up off of the floor*

    DON"T click this link![1]
    It will make you dizzy, induce vertigo, and cause you to fall out of your chair!

    [1] Well, unless you are at work...
    *bookmarks link to use at work*

    Well done.

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  64. Enough with football by McTickles · · Score: 0

    I am sick of football fans thinking anyone cares about their stupid games. Just shut up about it already.

  65. Football by McTickles · · Score: 0

    Yawn Faggots running after a ball while other faggots play horns and chant and hit each other. Wonderful.

  66. mplayer oneliner: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... or use mplayer to watch TV vuvuzela-free:

    mplayer -af pan=1:0.5:0.5,sinesuppress=233:0.01,sinesuppress=466:0.01,sinesuppress=932:0.01,sinesuppress=1864:0.01,sinesuppress=232:0.01,sinesuppress=465:0.01,sinesuppress=931:0.01,sinesuppress=1863:0.01,sinesuppress=234:0.01,sinesuppress=467:0.01,sinesuppress=933:0.01,sinesuppress=1865:0.01 dvb://1@SVT1

  67. Better solution by kevingolding2001 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Get a brewery to start giving them away with every case of beer sold.

  68. The noise annoys by Dollyknot · · Score: 1

    I have not got a lot of time for football, but the world cup is different, because I find football somewhat boring, I like to surf the 'net whilst its on and take the crowd's voice as my cue to something interesting occurring, them damn vuvuzelas spoil it for me, the relentless droning makes me kill the TV's sound and I keep missing the interesting bits.

    The world cup goes way beyond sport or football, it is more about the one world we all live on, the sight of a North Korean player with tears streaming down his face, in the lineup just before kickoff, in the match against Brazil last night spoke volumes.

    More than anything the world cup is about dreams, imagine a kid in some village somewhere, his arse hanging out his trousers, no shoes, living barely above malnutrition and he learns to play football then he learns football is the equivalent of 'the yellow brick road', without a dream we die.

    Its the scale of it that awes me, every country on the frigging planet sends a team, 204/205 teams started out in 2007 and it got whittled down to a final 32 teams, each representing their country to display their talent for balance, athleticism, coolness under pressure, fairness and a way for all the tribes on our planet to have a knees up.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification/

    Do you know the saddest thing of all, the African people sing nice, try to get a copy of Paul Simon's album Graceland.

    Why on earth didn't FIFA ban fart makers at the WC, the only reason they blow the bloody things is because everyone else is blowing them.

    I also love the Olympics, but it is not nearly as egalitarian as football, all you need is something resembling a ball and you are good to go.

    Because of those wretched things I missed Maicon's amazing goal, interesting how lots of people complained about the new ball, I wonder whether the old ball would have curved so much, considering how little the new ball was rotating.

    Good luck to England on Friday.

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  69. Is it really that bad? by Noonian+Soong · · Score: 1

    I really don't get it. I have watched a couple of games so far and even though my hearing is good, I didn't feel like there was an unusual high level of noise in those games. The commentator is obviously always louder than the background noise because the station creates the audio mix that way. And for the sound of the vuvuzelas: It's an unusual sound, but at least on TV doesn't seem to be any louder than other noisemakers spectators often use. It seems to me that using horns and other noisemakers have been a part of soccer games for quite some time and the vuvuzelas, traditional or not, are just another instance of a noisemaker. They might be louder in the stadium, but on TV, they don't bother me at all.

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  70. PHLEEAAAASEEE!!! by denzacar · · Score: 0, Troll

    1 - the fact that you are watching it and that the PROTAGONISTS are being paid outrageous sums of money makes that ENTERTAINMENT.
    Sports you do, play or compete in - you don't watch sports.

    2 - "Near superhuman"? HAH! More like "special needs" idiot savants, generally leaning towards simply idiot.
    Most of them wouldn't be able to pass simple elementary-school tests. But they can sure as hell run after a ball.
    Well, so can dogs and horses - they at least have the excuse of being dumb animals.

    Personally, I am insulted as a member of the human race each time someone points out one of those mental cripples as a paramount of human achievement.
    Like reading in the papers some time ago about how Rafael Nadal will be writing a biography. Except, it will actually be ghost-written.
    And the same text points out how he started playing tennis at 3 years old, after his uncle noticed that he has "natural talent for tennis".

    WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA WRITE ABOUT IN YOUR BIOGRAPHY!?
    YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING TENNIS EVERY DAY SINCE YOU COULD BARELY WALK, AND YOU'VE JUST STEPPED INTO YOUR 3RD DECADE OF THAT!
    "I've been hitting the ball the whole day. Tomorrow, I'll be hitting it some more. But the best comes on Sunday. I get to HIT the ball."
    Repeat for 300 pages or so.

    And I should be impressed with "life and achievements" of a trained monkey just because PEPSI or someone like that decided to give him/her a huge sum of money to promote their sugar-water?
    FUCK THAT!

    You want superhuman? Achievements, strength, courage and all?
    Try this guy.

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    1. Re:PHLEEAAAASEEE!!! by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      2 - "Near superhuman"? HAH! More like "special needs" idiot savants, generally leaning towards simply idiot.
      Most of them wouldn't be able to pass simple elementary-school tests. But they can sure as hell run after a ball.
      Well, so can dogs and horses - they at least have the excuse of being dumb animals.

      Running doesn't require a lot of brains. But dogs and horses can do it much, much better than any human. I'd like to see a human outrun a horse or a greyhound. That'd be worth paying money to watch, but anything less, forget it. Watching humans run or jump is like watching a spelling bee for severely learning-impaired children. None of them are any good at it, so what's so interesting about watching it?

  71. alternative uses (in hell) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SA local daily comics:
    http://www.madameve.co.za/cartoons/me004721.jpg

    1. Re:alternative uses (in hell) by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Madam & Eve? I have a book of those somewhere.

      My favourite one is where Madam is at confession. She tells the priest how much she pays Eve .. and the priest says "You think she could fit me in one day a week?"

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
  72. Re:If you are distracted by horns at a football ga by axl917 · · Score: 1

    Yes, because a constant droning sound never simply fades into the background after awhile.

    Never happens to anyone.

    Stupid cunt.

  73. Easy way to cut vuvuzelas by Gizzmonic · · Score: 1

    If you have surround sound, just unplug your left and right channel speakers. You'll still get the commentators through the center channel.

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  74. Could they transmit an anti-sound? by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1

    sort of like the sound canceling headphones do?

    I'm sure you couldn't cancel the sound completely but could you mute it?

    Have a speaker every 100' or so that transmits the reverse wave at the appropriate volume?

    Dumb idea for some reason?

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
    1. Re:Could they transmit an anti-sound? by treeves · · Score: 1

      It could work for one vuvuzela, but not for a bunch of them. Destructive interference with a bunch of sources all out of phase with each other.
      Kind of like an incandescent light bulb (many vuvuzelas) vs. a laser (one vuvuzela). The other problem would be location. The interference would be alternating between constructive and destructive, unless the "anti-sound" were located in the exact same place as the vuvuzela.
      In short, it would not work.

      See this for some background: http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/sound/interf.html
      especially the part about interference with a tuning fork.

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      ...the future crusty old bastards are already drinking the Kool-Aid.
  75. Re:Opensource Cross platform Puredata Patch Vuvuze by StuckInSyrup · · Score: 1

    You can also filter the sound by training your brain not to notice the awful sound, by a process called autohypnosis. This video can help.

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    Ni.
  76. Re:If you are distracted by horns at a football ga by u38cg · · Score: 1

    The ho-hum matches are pretty much down to the fact the players can't hear each other on the pitch. Brazil should have blown a comically inexperienced North Korea out of the water but ended up being run ragged with a Stalingrad style defence.

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  77. Sports requires brains by valkenar · · Score: 1

    Playing sports well does take a lot of mental acuity. Not the same variety that goes into writing good code, but mental acuity all the same. I think it's entirely likely that even if you weren't a physical wreck, you would find it impossible to compete mentally with a professional team-sport athlete in the context of that sporting event.

    There's a quality often revered to as "vision" but doesn't actually refer to the athlete's ability to resolve fine detail optically. It refers to having a brain that very quickly sees opportunities, calculates trajectories, and anticipates the movements and intentions of 9-14 other players. If we stuck your brain in a robot body capable of matching their physical abilities, you would still be too stupid (in that domain) to be better than merely good.

    Watching sports is another activity entirely, and while some of it certainly is cretinous, jingoism for people with only a couple neurons to rub together, it's entirely possible to be a nerd, an amateur athlete, and to enjoy watching a sport. There are a lot of interesting complexity, strategic decision-making and other highbrow elements even if you disregard the entertainment that is the spectacle of human physical excellence. Personally, I enjoy seeing a guy jump nearly his own height. I think it's neat. I wouldn't watch nothing but that for hours on end, but it seems a little silly to disregard displays of phenomenal ability out of hand.

    1. Re:Sports requires brains by denzacar · · Score: 0, Troll

      There is a reason why the act of improving all that which you mention is not referred to as "studying" but "training".
      You know... The same as with animals.

      As for brains... the fact that even the most mentally engaging "sports" like chess or go can be simulated relatively easily shows just how much mental acuity it takes for "sports".
      Bobby Fischer even invented Chess 960 because he found chess players increasingly relying on simply memorizing opening moves and combinations.
      You know... training a part of their brain to be a chess calculator instead of a THINKING fucking organ.

      These... "athletes" are simply playing up on that one card they were born with, maxing out there chances by repetitive movements of their muscles, maxing out their testosterone and adrenaline (which make you dumb) and proper feeding regime.
      Replace "athletes" with "horses" and sentence will still be completely accurate and meaningful.

      If we stuck your brain in a robot body capable of matching their physical abilities, you would still be too stupid (in that domain) to be better than merely good.

      I accept that wager!
      You provide the robot body, the athletes I am to compete with, location, equipment and someone to instruct me in the nature of that particular sport 24 hours prior... ah fuck it... I'll be a robot... 1 hour prior to the game and I will show up to defeat them all entirely and completely so that they will all either commit suicide after the game or retire and become drunks and junkies.
      As a bonus, I'll be reciting Shakespeare and farting the national anthems of the world while doing all that defeating.
      Provided that the robot-body will be capable of farting, naturally.

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    2. Re:Sports requires brains by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Provided that the robot-body will be capable of farting, naturally.

      There's an app for that!

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      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    3. Re:Sports requires brains by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      As the one who started this, I have nothing against playing sports, just watching them. Playing games can be a lot of fun, and good exercise too.

      Watching sports is another activity entirely, and while some of it certainly is cretinous, jingoism for people with only a couple neurons to rub together,

      This is exactly my view of most spectator sports (and their spectators).

      Personally, I enjoy seeing a guy jump nearly his own height. I think it's neat. ...it seems a little silly to disregard displays of phenomenal ability out of hand.

      Big deal. My cats jump 6-foot walls all the time. That's far more interesting to watch, since they're about the size of a human infant. Big cats can jump even bigger walls that humans couldn't hope to climb without assistance. I'm sure you're going to say something like "but for humans, jumping a 6-foot wall is impressive because they're physically very different from cats". Well, then watching humans jumping is something like watching the Special Olympics. It might be nice to see the participants having fun, but there's nothing all that impressive about seeing beings, being born with very inferior physical abilities, push those inferior abilities to their limits. If I want to watch humans do something "neat", I'll watch them do something that they can do better than any other animals. Jumping isn't one of them. Humans totally suck at jumping. Launching rockets into space, however, is something that humans excel at (compared to everyone else on this planet), so that's interesting to watch.

  78. Re:Possible reason for U.S. Animocity against Socc by u38cg · · Score: 1

    Age-old solution: watch on TV, turn down sound, turn on radio.

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  79. uh, it isn't that clever by Bobb+Sledd · · Score: 1

    uhm, it isn't THAT clever. Surprised they didn't think to do it already. Now Adobe Audition (ever since it was Cool Edit) had a noise filter where you can get a profile of the sound you want removed. Just highlight over a section of something, click the "get profile", then highlight the section you want to remove it from. Now THAT's clever. A notch filter? Not so much.

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    "They said I probly shouldn't fly with just one eye," "I am Bender. Please insert girder."
    1. Re:uh, it isn't that clever by thwack328 · · Score: 1

      Now try that with a live audio feed. What would you use for the profile? Perhaps a crowd mic mix, but then your profile includes ALL of the crowd sounds and not just the horns, so you'd end up removing the desirable sounds as well and the rest would sound like a small section of burbly aliens.

      But I don't agree with the notch filter approach either. Natural sounds aren't confined to individual notches of frequencies, so you can't expect to "notch out" the sound of these horns any more effectively than you could remove a tree from an image by erasing all pixels that have a specific green hue.

    2. Re:uh, it isn't that clever by Bobb+Sledd · · Score: 1

      Oh, you're absolutely right. I wasn't suggesting that they try to do that on a live feed (perhaps there is a way), just that a notch filter isn't as clever as that technology.

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      "They said I probly shouldn't fly with just one eye," "I am Bender. Please insert girder."
  80. Re:If you are distracted by horns at a football ga by revlayle · · Score: 1

    yeah... ESPECIALLY loud constant droning sounds that drown out a lot of other sounds... yeah, never.

    VAGINA

  81. TROLL ME ALL YOU LIKE - YOU KNOW IT TO BE TRUE! by denzacar · · Score: 1

    HA!

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  82. Those horns are so old! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We used to buy those horns at Veteran's Stadium for the Phillies games in the 1970s.

  83. Already working in Israel...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's already filtered down in the national Israeli channel. WTF, this channel is so lame, and yet they filtered it out *so* fast?

  84. what do you call it when it's the guy behind you? by Chirs · · Score: 1

    If someone behind you blows the horn, it's pretty much directly into your ear by definition, no?

  85. Acoustic Cannons by AttillaTheNun · · Score: 1

    I think they should kick it up a notch at World Cup 2014 and let each fan bring acoustic cannons. All in good fun, of course.

  86. Seriously by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    When have any of you ever been around a bunch of niggers in public that WERE NOT loud, obnoxious, and generally indifferent to anyone but themselves?

    I mean, look at the guy in the wikipedia article:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vuvuzela

    That's exactly what I'm talking about. Notice also how he keeps his arms out and his horn in the air so that he can consume as much space as possible. It all relates to their inherent obnoxious behavior.

    Try turning around to one of these guys and ask him to stop blowing his horn because he's damaging your hearing. He will blow the horn directly into your ear minutes later. But not before he calls over the rest of his tribe to protect him and do the same.

  87. they forgot one by commodoresloat · · Score: 1

    as illustrated here http://i.imgur.com/Rcei4.jpg

  88. Oi! by denzacar · · Score: 1

    We're talkin androids here. Not one of them iThingies.

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  89. All about the vuvuzelas.. by TheRaider · · Score: 1

    I just wished that this World Cup was all about great goals and power plays.. And not about the "Vuvuzelas"..

  90. Apology by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

    You don't seem to understand what proof by assertion means.

    Your links prove only that football hooliganism is not exclusively an English problem (which claim was never made). They don't prove that it is specifically a German tradition (quite the opposite), nor do they even prove the it is largely extinct in the UK, true thought that may be.

    Or are you (along with that sausage munching pillock) stuck in the 80s?

    Fair call, but we are talking tradition here. I agree that English authorities have taken very strong measures to deal with the problem and clearly the problem in the UK simply doesn't compare to the 80s. I know this first hand, having lived in London (or out of it) for half a year in '97. We had to jump through hoops to get tickets to a game round the corner at Selhurst Park which eventually involved a character reference for my wife who was working as a nurse and a slight bending of the rules (they shouldn't, apparently, on that basis have sold us the tickets). Man! By comparison when visiting Germany we simply bought tickets at the game (admittedly only 2nd Liga).

    I concede that writing "English phenomenon," in place of 'tradition' was clumsy. OTOH, football hooliganism is as much an English cultural export as the beautiful game itself. But my point, as your links bare out, is that characterising neo-nazi, or far-right nationalist, football hooliganism as a particularly German tradition, is to trade in national stereotypes. I want to apologise to you that in dispelling that notion I may have fallen victim to perpetuating such stereotypes myself. It was certainly not my intention to insult you or your countrymen. Who, after all, form the other half of my genetic/cultural heritage. I have to quote the bard (but only from memory) "shot an arrow over my house and stuck my brother."

    Good luck in the cup!

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    Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
  91. All about the ads.... by speedlaw · · Score: 1

    So you have some friends over...to watch the game. The droning gets annoying. You turn on some music and talk while the game plays. Cut to ads. No one hears them. Advertisers call and complain that plastic horns are killing their massive media buy.....

  92. True. The hard part... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...is firstly getting the highly paid IATSE engineer to wake up from his four hour nap. Next is the submission of a work order to the boss of his local. There's the negotiation of bribes while the boss finds the "missing" paperwork. Should you try to bypass this by asking the director to run the signal through the board and getting the audio op to EQ this, you'll get handed with a strike.