> OS/2 had folders that the user could use to organize his desktop a bit,
>but I have never seen such a thing on a Windows user's desktop. Windows >may be capable of that, but if it is, it's not a well advertised >feature. Of course, OS/2 folders were just directories that lived in your desktop directory and pointed >elsewhere on your hard drive, but most users didn't know or care about that.
I hate to defend Windows, but that functionality's been there since Win95. Right click, 'New' -> folder (for a folder) or 'shortcut' for a shortcut. Shortcuts can be to programs, files, directories. (folder is the GUI representation of a directory, obviously.) Did I misunderstand what you meant?
I've certainly seen plenty of end-users who clearly haven't got the faintest idea what the desktop is or how to use it to access files. I can't understand why companies and other orgs don't do a simple, 1 or 2 days a year "ABC My First Intro to Basics of [our standard OS|GUI). "What are these icons?" "How do I print?" "How do I find out what something that I see, does - or what it's for - if I don't already know?" "how do I organise my files?" . etc etc. Anyone who can't grasp this sort of stuff in a couple of days really should be moved away from work involving a computer. If they're the MD|CEO|CTO, leave.
Pardon me, I don't mean to flame these well-meaning researchers, but... anyone who finds the drool-proof Fisher-price desktop interfaces of "modern" commercial OSes "complex", after 15-20 years for the concepts to sink into the culture, and umpty-zillion dollars in usability testing, HCI factors researchers, Xerox, MIT MediaLab, Apple, XP, blah blah blah... probably shouldn't be left on their own with a box of matches, ya-know-what-i-mean?
Based upon what you just wrote in your comment, I don't think that you are capable of having a girlfriend.
No, it's true, I swear it, she's real! Geezer I've just turned thirty; after >10 years of hell, I find this woman who says things like "Really? That's very interesting. Will you teach me how to make web pages? Perhaps I could learn how to program one day." after listening politely to me giving the wrong (ie pedantically accurate) answer to `So, what did you do today?'.
#INCLUDE std_revolting_love_comment
The flipside is that I have to learn to speak her language - which is Serbo-Croat;)
Back in early '82 (the last real winter I've seen in the UK) we had -24 (centigrade) one night. Now *that's* cold. Having been in London the last 10 years I can barely remember what real snowfall looks like - the regional microclimate means it only ever rains pollution-stained slush. Or freezing rain. Bletch.
I picked up centigrade as a kid in the 70s cos it was used on the TV weather forecast. Everyone says miles, pounds, ounces etc in conversational (UK) English which is why they never caught on.
You don't want a carefully planned, neatly laid-out NoC with aircon, swivel chairs, subdued lighting etc. A good comfy ops room shoudl grow organically over the years.
You want a cramped, untidy little room, with a stack of buzzing boxen to the left (from the bottom: OpenBSD, Linux, Cisco IOS, topped off with an old 15" monitor). No KVM - that's cheating; you have to scrabble around amongst the spaghetti cabling to switch the monitor to another box. Keep spare kbd's, mice etc draped over the monitor or propped against the wall when not in use; with the lights off, those three extra LEDs on the keyboard add to the girlfriend-impressing "Starship Enterprise" look'n'feel. To the right, balanced on top of the tower system housing your main workstation, you want an old analogue modem, and a desktop switch of some sort. Make sure the CAT5 from the rest of the house terminates just behind this switch - that way you get to mix the network cables up with the PSU, parallel cable->backup device, serial extenstions, phone plug-thrus etc. Top with stacks of unread magazines - New Scientist, Perl Journal etc - a couple of rows of books (remember to break the O'Reilly hegemondy with a carefully placed K&R, the Conway book, perhaps something on OO, SQL, firewalls, IDS and network security. Season with a sprinkling of "carefully filed" hardcopies of whitepapers, Slashdot stories, tech specs, man pages, discussions on the use of IGMP in scanning.
Remember to get the carpet professionally steam-cleaned once or twice a year. Remember to empty the waste basket and remove uneaten food and drink containers.
Cover the walls in Dilbert cartoons, printouts of UserFriendly, inadvertently amusing advertising materials, color "maps of the internet", and the SANS "Network Security Roadmap" poster (change every six months!)
My personal shelter from the world, which looks just like this of course, copes with (a) having no radiators (or windows) by being right in the core of the building, so avoiding getting too hot in summer; and (b) avoiding getting too cold in winter (it's below zero outside, here in the UK at present) by housing the central heating boiler.
At one point I seriously contemplated moving a campbed in here to save rent (I'm unemployed, & live in a shared house.) But my girlfriend said she'd cut my balls off, and then leave me. So that was that:)
How fascinating... For the record I (the story submitter) am a British English speaker. I have a friend who went to the kind of school where correct grammar is taught (and who has a number of books on the subject: believe me, this is unknown in the state sector where I was mostly educated) - I'll ask him who's right.
Other theories suggest that the absence of a Martian magnetosphere may explain the lack of water on Mars - without a shield from a planetary magnetic field, the solar wind would dissociate large amounts of water vapor in the atmosphere - raising the amount of free oxygen. The hydrogen would be lost into space, especially on a planet as small as Mars.
Aha! Yes! But!:)
Mars Observer has found, firstly, evidence that a substantial (possibly planetary-scale) magnet field existed in geological time - in the form of fossilised magnetic fields, interestingly in stripes of alternating polarity, like on earth either side of crustal spreading zones such as the mid-Atlantic ridge, which implies a tectonic conveyor built was going for a while early in Martian history;
and secondly, regional mini-magnetospheres, big enough to have effects on the density of the atmosphere and (IIRC) weather patterns. (Haven't got an URL to hand, but it would have been somewhere on the JPL Global Surveyor site.
It'll be interesting to see what the regional distribution of this hydrogen looks like, once higher resolution data comes out. Er, in.
hi, I'm the story submitter BTW.
"Although Free/Open security software is widely acknowledged to be better than commercial alternatives..."
> I'm sure this point will rapidly become a chorus in
> this thread, but that sentence is pointless fluff.
Well, I don't see anyone else saying so... in fact YOU don't say why
this is fluff. I was trying to refer to the Slashdot story a couple of
weeks ago - IIRC it was the IDS comparison done by one of the ZDN / CNET
type sites, posted by Hemos, but when I was writing the submission I
couldn't find the story I was thinking of (I thought it was about
sec software in general, rather than just IDS.)
The fact is that real in-the-trenches infosec people know that Open
and Free security software is an essential part of the toolkit. If
you're running an IDS, snort is definitely better than the
commerical IDS out there. If you're properly paranoid and have the
budget, of course, it's nice to run two or more for comparison.
*OK, OK, Tripwire's not free, but there are several Free clones.
This is just off the top of my bookmarks file, you understand, and these programs are all at the very least amongst the best of breed in their categories. And of course what self-respecting network security person uses exclusively GUI apps? A crap one. Bash (or your favourite shell) and the GNU utils are pretty indispensible even if you're only looking after Windows boxes. I'd find my work pretty damn difficult if I couldn't use any of the above tools [*1].
There are plenty of reasons why this is so, but that's a detail. But I've always found it interesting that this is one area where Free software is the furthest ahead, technically, and simultaenously one of the most backward areas in the corporate world.
As many other posters have pointed out, there's a lot more Free/open stuff in use than the survey-responders typically know about - as someone suggested, perhaps because there are no P.O.s == no budget == no big meetings, minutes, memos etc, so it just doesn't show up on the managerial radar. And there are certainly SOME corporates happy to use such tools. (Indeed, most security consultancies that aren't owned by a software vendor - bad conflict of interest IMHO...)
I just find it interesting that many of the most successful companies are the most perverse in such an important area of policy.
I haven't audited ssh or GPG either, but I trust those who have done (and wrote it in the first place) a damn site more than a random large proprietary software company.
<shameless>
[1] Or rather, it would do if I had a job at present... anyone looking for info-sec people in London, drop me a mail:-)
</shameless>
>> What about the FreeBSD network stack that is now in Win2k
>> and XP? Microsoft is using it in "supposed" enterprise apps.
> It is, is it? When did you look at the source code
> for Win2K and XP and figure this out? While I'm sure
> ever implementation of TCP/IP is loosely based on some
> BSD code, this is hardly proof that MS ripped off
> FreeBSD's network stack.
19:41:43:~
cally@INEGO% uname -a
CYGWIN_NT-4.0 INEGO 1.3.6(0.47/3/2) 2001-12-08 17:02 i686 unknown
18:47:47:~
cally@INEGO% cd $SYSTEMROOT; grep -ri regents *
Binary file Profiles/cally/Desktop/sectools/windump/windump.ex e matches
Binary file system32/dns/bin/host.exe matches
I think it's widely acknowledged that there's a fair bit of BSD code
in the win32 IP. No source code required to know that, so long as they're
abiding by the minimalist advertising clause in the BSD license.
Nope, I checked (w/ M. Zalwevski: cygwin's OpenSSH output is somewhat confusing.) I have 'protocol 2' in sshd_config anyway so that's covered.
How to get round the slashdot filter
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Future Of IDS
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They (VNU) seem to be blocking on the HTTP_REFERER header. Copy & paste the URL into a separate browser tab (or window for the non-moz / Konq users:) and hit return. Or use wget.
Don't make our tools illegal. Well-intentioned attempts to outlaw "hacking tools" and the often dodgy-looking (to the layperson's eye) sites they are hosted on can only backfire. We/must/ be able to run exploits on our own machines and networks. We/must/ be able to use nmap, snort, etc etc. We/must/ have access to Stacheldracht, trinoo, CRC32 and other exploit info.
Secondly (and I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere) TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. Put the resources in: hire people, or train the people you have (or BOTH!) Almost every place I've ever worked in my professional IT career has taken a slapdash, it'll-never-happen-here, why would anyone hack us? -type approach to security. Some well known institutions have an absolutely scandalous disregard for the basic principles of info-sec. Perhaps it's time to put some pointy-haired bosses on the stand and ask them to justify their pigheaded disregard for stuff that we all know is common sense. (I've a personal interest here; I've been trying to get a job in fulltime info-sec for the past/FOUR MONTHS/ without success; it seems that in times of budget pressures, security is seen as one of the first areas to cut. Are they completely mad? Do they really think it's a smart move to increase the number of unemployed, pissed off, security-aware net/sys admins out there?? -I'm in London BTW, drop me a mail for my CV:)
Finally, don't listen to the zealots on this thread who will be saying "ban Microsoft!" Properly secured MS boxes can be as secure as a good Unix. (That means: don't run IIS; don't run IE or Outlook; use *nix for your network infrastructure; educate your end-users; make sure you have management buy-in to what you're doing.)
*sigh*. Please don't moderate trolls as anything other that troll, -1.
FWIW I've had 139 days uptime on NT4SP6a running several servers (ssh, web, mail) as well as std workstation and dev stuff - cygwin, emacs, etc etc. No Outlook, no IE and no IIS. Result, happiness - well, as happy as it's possible to be whilst still sullying one's mind fingers with Microsoft stuff. It's the freedom thing that's important, anyway, not the quality of the code.
Another good tip with the ssh holes, and as a general priniciple, is to restrict IPs that are allowed to connect to port 22 (or wherever you run sshd) at the firewall.
Yes, you're right - I got familiar with bash and the GNU utils under cygwin long before I could be bothered to try a 'real' Linux install. I now get a real pervese kick from trying to compile arbitary Unix progs under Cygwin. Most recently I've been tinkering with Lynx... you mean people really/use/ that thing for web browsing?!;)
Of course, as I'm sure others will have pointed out, Gimp already runs on win32 using a port of Gtk.
there not intrested in intergrating it into a groupware application via XML-RPC or SOAP
Thank gawd. XML-RPC and SOAP are an utter crock. Why this sudden desire to shoehorn everything into HTTP? Simple, it makes it easy to sneak non-web content in and out through firewalls without any of that tedious mucking about letting the security people know what you're doing. Uh, until firewall developers turn in the arms race, where application layer packet inspection becomes the norm and - oh hey! look at that!! You're right back to square one.
RPC was invented to do remote procedure calls, that's what it's for,
USE IT if you need it.
and `phpGroupware'? What the hell is that? Oh look, it's your userpage. Riiiiight. Seeing as I haven't heard of it, it's not exactly the default corporate standard, is it. In fact it's... what's the word.. IRRELEVANT! Of course they have more important priorities than some toy "groupware" project.
Sorry for the flames, but some people are just asking for it.
I love stories like this, 'cos he used to be a total Irix weenie... three or four years ago, when fx/compositing / modelling / rendering programs first started appearing on Linux, we had a big argument about whether or not Linux would beat Irix. Face it, SonyBoy, you lost;p
BTW AFAICT from the guarded comments he's let slip, the film - the FX at any rate - is going to absolutely rock. My local fleapit is taking bookings now, oddly enough it's on my to-do list for tomorrow.
I have to say, there comes a time when your heart sinks and you think: what's the point? Why do I keep on trying to help people see that Free software would help their business? Why do I keep pointing out to idiots that their companies could be hacked by a 10 year old with a handful of Packetstorm scripts? And when oh when will people wake up to what is happening (around the world it seems, not just in the USA) in terms of civil liberties? We see it most strongly in our area of tech, but it's the same for many many other groups of people.
The important, and difficult, job is to fight the temptation to give up, and keep on fighting for our rights.
If this really happens, it'll be interesting to see whether it show up in the Netcraft web server survey. Sircam, nimda and Code Red seem to have coincided with a rise in IIS installations at the expense of Apache:(( Could this be conclusive proof that there's no such thing as bad publicity?
I could have sworn I'd seen.co.us URIs before this?
Hmmm, obviously I know less about the history of the DNS than I thought I did:) (Which reminds me: aren;t NeuLevel the people responsible for trying to fork the DNS root (ie., break the DNS) by issuing domain names in non-ICANN approved, and in the case of.biz, conflicting TLDs?
Everytime this comes up on nanog, I tend to glaze over. I should pay more attention, I know...
Cygwin provides all these (I think, not sure about pstools) and lots lots more besides:
andrew@INEGO% ls -l/usr/bin|wc -l
572
Anyway, Gnome (and even Nautilus, IIRC) already run on Cygwin. As it goes I've been lost in the Cygworld myself for the last six hours, grepping and a shell-scripting, sed'ing and ^Ring, man pages to the left, info to the right... it absolutely rules, it's made Microsoft bearable for me. Tons of other runs under it too, I've got Apache and Perl going (from the standard src distributions) - problems with mod_perl though, which is a shame. XFree86 isn;t really practical on this P2-233 but the commandline is all I ever needed and more. Even netcat and mutt run... if only I had working mailserver..
A little evidence would be nice before one goes and cuts off a whole country from the 'net.
...but it's not just the net; it's also taken out most of the country's telephone network. This means people working abroad can't send money back to their families back home.
This is a direct attack on the civilian infrastructure of a neutral, non-combatant country. When is the U.N. going to stand up and say that this has GOT to STOP? Oh wait, the U.N., the US doesn't even pay their subscriptions to the UN.
With the over-reliance on technological solutions pedalled by pork-barrel defence contractors over good-old-fashioned human intelligence already acknowledged as a factor contributing to 9/11, and the long-awaited acceptance that the "terrorist facility" in Somalia that was attacked with cruise missiles in 1996 was a perfectly legal pharmaceutical factory making (mainly) antibiotics - one of the few in the country, or indeed region - they carry on making the same mistakes. This will just alienate even more people who were previously neutral in "The War Against Terrorism". As the BBC correspondent says: very, very depressing, and hif (he) had a stronger word he could use, he'd use it.
Please don't mod this as a troll; I really do think this is a straightforward tactical mistake.
Off-topic: there seem to be very few posts today, anything to do with Quest's DSL network going down? in the same week as BT's national network went down? I don't believe in coincidences like this. Someone has a zero--day sploit against the network hardware - something from Cisco is my bet...
I hate to defend Windows, but that functionality's been there since Win95. Right click, 'New' -> folder (for a folder) or 'shortcut' for a shortcut. Shortcuts can be to programs, files, directories. (folder is the GUI representation of a directory, obviously.) Did I misunderstand what you meant?
I've certainly seen plenty of end-users who clearly haven't got the faintest idea what the desktop is or how to use it to access files. I can't understand why companies and other orgs don't do a simple, 1 or 2 days a year "ABC My First Intro to Basics of [our standard OS|GUI). "What are these icons?" "How do I print?" "How do I find out what something that I see, does - or what it's for - if I don't already know?" "how do I organise my files?" . etc etc. Anyone who can't grasp this sort of stuff in a couple of days really should be moved away from work involving a computer. If they're the MD|CEO|CTO, leave.
Pardon me, I don't mean to flame these well-meaning researchers, but... anyone who finds the drool-proof Fisher-price desktop interfaces of "modern" commercial OSes "complex", after 15-20 years for the concepts to sink into the culture, and umpty-zillion dollars in usability testing, HCI factors researchers, Xerox, MIT MediaLab, Apple, XP, blah blah blah... probably shouldn't be left on their own with a box of matches, ya-know-what-i-mean?
No, it's true, I swear it, she's real! Geezer I've just turned thirty; after >10 years of hell, I find this woman who says things like "Really? That's very interesting. Will you teach me how to make web pages? Perhaps I could learn how to program one day." after listening politely to me giving the wrong (ie pedantically accurate) answer to `So, what did you do today?'.
#INCLUDE std_revolting_love_comment
The flipside is that I have to learn to speak her language - which is Serbo-Croat
I picked up centigrade as a kid in the 70s cos it was used on the TV weather forecast. Everyone says miles, pounds, ounces etc in conversational (UK) English which is why they never caught on.
You want a cramped, untidy little room, with a stack of buzzing boxen to the left (from the bottom: OpenBSD, Linux, Cisco IOS, topped off with an old 15" monitor). No KVM - that's cheating; you have to scrabble around amongst the spaghetti cabling to switch the monitor to another box. Keep spare kbd's, mice etc draped over the monitor or propped against the wall when not in use; with the lights off, those three extra LEDs on the keyboard add to the girlfriend-impressing "Starship Enterprise" look'n'feel. To the right, balanced on top of the tower system housing your main workstation, you want an old analogue modem, and a desktop switch of some sort. Make sure the CAT5 from the rest of the house terminates just behind this switch - that way you get to mix the network cables up with the PSU, parallel cable->backup device, serial extenstions, phone plug-thrus etc. Top with stacks of unread magazines - New Scientist, Perl Journal etc - a couple of rows of books (remember to break the O'Reilly hegemondy with a carefully placed K&R, the Conway book, perhaps something on OO, SQL, firewalls, IDS and network security. Season with a sprinkling of "carefully filed" hardcopies of whitepapers, Slashdot stories, tech specs, man pages, discussions on the use of IGMP in scanning.
Remember to get the carpet professionally steam-cleaned once or twice a year. Remember to empty the waste basket and remove uneaten food and drink containers.
Cover the walls in Dilbert cartoons, printouts of UserFriendly, inadvertently amusing advertising materials, color "maps of the internet", and the SANS "Network Security Roadmap" poster (change every six months!)
My personal shelter from the world, which looks just like this of course, copes with (a) having no radiators (or windows) by being right in the core of the building, so avoiding getting too hot in summer; and (b) avoiding getting too cold in winter (it's below zero outside, here in the UK at present) by housing the central heating boiler.
At one point I seriously contemplated moving a campbed in here to save rent (I'm unemployed, & live in a shared house.) But my girlfriend said she'd cut my balls off, and then leave me. So that was that
How fascinating... For the record I (the story submitter) am a British English speaker. I have a friend who went to the kind of school where correct grammar is taught (and who has a number of books on the subject: believe me, this is unknown in the state sector where I was mostly educated) - I'll ask him who's right.
Aha! Yes! But!
Mars Observer has found, firstly, evidence that a substantial (possibly planetary-scale) magnet field existed in geological time - in the form of fossilised magnetic fields, interestingly in stripes of alternating polarity, like on earth either side of crustal spreading zones such as the mid-Atlantic ridge, which implies a tectonic conveyor built was going for a while early in Martian history;
and secondly, regional mini-magnetospheres, big enough to have effects on the density of the atmosphere and (IIRC) weather patterns. (Haven't got an URL to hand, but it would have been somewhere on the JPL Global Surveyor site.
It'll be interesting to see what the regional distribution of this hydrogen looks like, once higher resolution data comes out. Er, in.
"Although Free/Open security software is widely acknowledged to be better than commercial alternatives..."
> I'm sure this point will rapidly become a chorus in
> this thread, but that sentence is pointless fluff.
Well, I don't see anyone else saying so... in fact YOU don't say why
this is fluff. I was trying to refer to the Slashdot story a couple of
weeks ago - IIRC it was the IDS comparison done by one of the ZDN / CNET
type sites, posted by Hemos, but when I was writing the submission I
couldn't find the story I was thinking of (I thought it was about
sec software in general, rather than just IDS.)
The fact is that real in-the-trenches infosec people know that Open
and Free security software is an essential part of the toolkit. If
you're running an IDS, snort is definitely better than the
commerical IDS out there. If you're properly paranoid and have the
budget, of course, it's nice to run two or more for comparison.
*OK, OK, Tripwire's not free, but there are several Free clones.
This is just off the top of my bookmarks file, you understand, and these programs are all at the very least amongst the best of breed in their categories. And of course what self-respecting network security person uses exclusively GUI apps? A crap one. Bash (or your favourite shell) and the GNU utils are pretty indispensible even if you're only looking after Windows boxes . I'd find my work pretty damn difficult if I couldn't use any of the above tools [*1].
There are plenty of reasons why this is so, but that's a detail. But I've always found it interesting that this is one area where Free software is the furthest ahead, technically, and simultaenously one of the most backward areas in the corporate world.
As many other posters have pointed out, there's a lot more Free/open stuff in use than the survey-responders typically know about - as someone suggested, perhaps because there are no P.O.s == no budget == no big meetings, minutes, memos etc, so it just doesn't show up on the managerial radar. And there are certainly SOME corporates happy to use such tools. (Indeed, most security consultancies that aren't owned by a software vendor - bad conflict of interest IMHO...)
I just find it interesting that many of the most successful companies are the most perverse in such an important area of policy.
I haven't audited ssh or GPG either, but I trust those who have done (and wrote it in the first place) a damn site more than a random large proprietary software company.
<shameless>
[1] Or rather, it would do if I had a job at present... anyone looking for info-sec people in London, drop me a mail
</shameless>
Nope, I checked (w/ M. Zalwevski: cygwin's OpenSSH output is somewhat confusing.) I have 'protocol 2' in sshd_config anyway so that's covered.
They (VNU) seem to be blocking on the HTTP_REFERER header. Copy & paste the URL into a separate browser tab (or window for the non-moz / Konq users :) and hit return. Or use wget.
Secondly (and I haven't seen this mentioned elsewhere) TAKE IT SERIOUSLY. Put the resources in: hire people, or train the people you have (or BOTH!) Almost every place I've ever worked in my professional IT career has taken a slapdash, it'll-never-happen-here, why would anyone hack us? -type approach to security. Some well known institutions have an absolutely scandalous disregard for the basic principles of info-sec. Perhaps it's time to put some pointy-haired bosses on the stand and ask them to justify their pigheaded disregard for stuff that we all know is common sense. (I've a personal interest here; I've been trying to get a job in fulltime info-sec for the past
Finally, don't listen to the zealots on this thread who will be saying "ban Microsoft!" Properly secured MS boxes can be as secure as a good Unix. (That means: don't run IIS; don't run IE or Outlook; use *nix for your network infrastructure; educate your end-users; make sure you have management buy-in to what you're doing.)
*sigh*. Please don't moderate trolls as anything other that troll, -1.
FWIW I've had 139 days uptime on NT4SP6a running several servers (ssh, web, mail) as well as std workstation and dev stuff - cygwin, emacs, etc etc. No Outlook, no IE and no IIS. Result, happiness - well, as happy as it's possible to be whilst still sullying one's mind fingers with Microsoft stuff. It's the freedom thing that's important, anyway, not the quality of the code.
Another good tip with the ssh holes, and as a general priniciple, is to restrict IPs that are allowed to connect to port 22 (or wherever you run sshd) at the firewall.
Of course, as I'm sure others will have pointed out, Gimp already runs on win32 using a port of Gtk.
he called me a `user' !!!! he called me a `user' !?!?!?!
(Cally reaches for the etherkiller...)
Thank gawd. XML-RPC and SOAP are an utter crock. Why this sudden desire to shoehorn everything into HTTP? Simple, it makes it easy to sneak non-web content in and out through firewalls without any of that tedious mucking about letting the security people know what you're doing. Uh, until firewall developers turn in the arms race, where application layer packet inspection becomes the norm and - oh hey! look at that!! You're right back to square one.
RPC was invented to do remote procedure calls, that's what it's for,
USE IT if you need it.
and `phpGroupware'? What the hell is that? Oh look, it's your userpage. Riiiiight. Seeing as I haven't heard of it, it's not exactly the default corporate standard, is it. In fact it's... what's the word.. IRRELEVANT! Of course they have more important priorities than some toy "groupware" project.
Sorry for the flames, but some people are just asking for it.
BTW AFAICT from the guarded comments he's let slip, the film - the FX at any rate - is going to absolutely rock. My local fleapit is taking bookings now, oddly enough it's on my to-do list for tomorrow.
The important, and difficult, job is to fight the temptation to give up, and keep on fighting for our rights.
Nurse! More coffee!
If this really happens, it'll be interesting to see whether it show up in the Netcraft web server survey. Sircam, nimda and Code Red seem to have coincided with a rise in IIS installations at the expense of Apache :(( Could this be conclusive proof that there's no such thing as bad publicity?
Hmmm, obviously I know less about the history of the DNS than I thought I did
Everytime this comes up on nanog, I tend to glaze over. I should pay more attention, I know...
andrew@INEGO% ls -l
572
Anyway, Gnome (and even Nautilus, IIRC) already run on Cygwin. As it goes I've been lost in the Cygworld myself for the last six hours, grepping and a shell-scripting, sed'ing and ^Ring, man pages to the left, info to the right... it absolutely rules, it's made Microsoft bearable for me. Tons of other runs under it too, I've got Apache and Perl going (from the standard src distributions) - problems with mod_perl though, which is a shame. XFree86 isn;t really practical on this P2-233 but the commandline is all I ever needed and more. Even netcat and mutt run... if only I had working mailserver..
Since when were the FBI and CIA elected? Wake up and smell the coffee!
...but it's not just the net; it's also taken out most of the country's telephone network. This means people working abroad can't send money back to their families back home.
This is a direct attack on the civilian infrastructure of a neutral, non-combatant country. When is the U.N. going to stand up and say that this has GOT to STOP? Oh wait, the U.N., the US doesn't even pay their subscriptions to the UN.
Please don't mod this as a troll; I really do think this is a straightforward tactical mistake.
Off-topic: there seem to be very few posts today, anything to do with Quest's DSL network going down? in the same week as BT's national network went down? I don't believe in coincidences like this. Someone has a zero--day sploit against the network hardware - something from Cisco is my bet...