Bell Labs/Ma Bell/"The phone police" did one thing for about a century: run lines to people an d get'em connected. That was their main stock in trade. Maybe the merger means they'll all move to the same methodology- that cost savings, in the long run won't be a problem, but they have ONE PROBLEM that's got me bugged.
I'm just outside the city limits- about 3 blocks. There's only 2 DSL points...CLECS?...in this town of 250,000. The second one is on the other side of town, and useless to me. I'm stuck with fiber-backboned cable, so I'm thankful the only choice is at least a good one.
Now...my brother.
He lives three miles west of me. Out there, it's farmland. Deer are seen _every_night_ that he goes home. Huge "shredded wheat" rolls are parked here and there, and everyone knows what brand of tractor they have, and want. Everyone knows the county extension agent, even if they don't farm- he's a neighbor, too.
However, HE CAN'T GET DSL...not because he's even farther from the DSL point than I...but because, in his rural pastureland, his telephone service is based on FIBER OPTICS, and SBC won't let him tap into it, nor to use the increasingly-vacant copper lines to "leased-line-it" to my house. He's stuck on dialup at best, while we try to build towers and get an RF link up.
Do you see the irony here? He can't get basic internet, because his farmland technology has outpaced mine in the city somehow. WTF?
The company (and it's descendants) who built their industry on connecting people have two situations, very prevelant ones, in which they can't connect people. This isn't a technical problem, it's a policy problem.
"The Innovator's Delima", perhaps?
I spent a lot of time hating the old AT&T, not trusting that their components were really different somehow. My insticts are that we're all going to hate them, again.
Remember there was "no back door" in Win31->Win2k3, either, until we found one (or more). Face it- there's at least one. Ever seen Easter Eggs?
When these guys talk, you need to *instinctively* know they're lying. (they have, for about two decades, now...even the release process hasn't really changed...)
Sorry, yeah- it's actually Brian@Fahrlander.net (they obfuscate it). I don't mind posting it 'cause I have my own antispam, and time on several servers to sort it FOR me.:)
You might be a little...distracted on the Christian viewpoint. A lot of Christians that don't spend the time on it just blow off The Big Bang and Evolution (as a starting point, not a process) but I don't. Let me explain:
1. Dinosaurs are not only real, they're in Genesis...and in your shop.:) I have no problem with animals having a long series of fits and starts, changing, growing, mutating; nor do I have the slightest problem with the age of the planet being in the billions of years old. Time measurement in scripture is both vague and metaphorical. I don't for a second believe that in one, 24h day a whole list of things happened, but, like in Revelation and other prophocies, they're meant to convey an "age", not a single short day. Besides, one of those "days" happen before Earth was defined.
2. I think Darwin's inital perspective was generally right, but to abstract that to humans is overlooking a lot more differences than similarities. Not that we couldn't have been developed from a primate on all fours, but because of the different way we live, grow, learn, and do very noble things that are very stupid, in terms of survival.
According to scripture, which I've recently become inclined to believe, Adam was made "from the ashes"...and with so many leftover traits and the unlikelyhood of anyone knowing what RNA/DNA is, that was sufficient explanation. My personal belief is that man is a genetically-modified "ape" but given a burden no animal had to carry. So yeah, in a way it's like an evolution...but the time of _man_, like we are, I feel is probably about 6,000 years old.
[Side note] Did they ever work out the reason for the tiny heart and long neck of what used to be called a brotosaurus? I'm thinking that, that far back, the gravity was MUCH less, considering the tons of space dust, and the long, long time... [/end note]
It's not really that Christians are too lazy to investigate geology; it's because they couldn't possibly care less. For them, they understand that ours is a short, usually miserable time on Earth without knowledge of God, then a personal revelation, and soon it will be over. And I can only suggest this is true, because of the "white paranormal" that helped me believe.
3. If you've ever read Genesis and compared it to The Big Bang or "The other, it's simpler theory":) you'll feel that way, too.
The burden of man is astonishing; starting with literally *nothing* and learning from thereg, he has to decide right from wrong, and chose the right. It's not about doing good, or doing evil; it's just that once you've connected to God, you'll DO the good, and not the evil. And from the first generation to the last, each and every "proof of existance" comes with refuting evidence: otherwise, children will not be making the choice on their own.
I can't take you to an open field, or fly you to an orbit where we can play cards with God; all I can do is to relate what I've personally seen and tell you why, after decades of skepticism and misery, I'm now convinced, no longer in need of anti-depressants and happy, even though the world would think I'm miserable. Isn't that a scientific principal? Well, maybe it's more like journalism with an eye-witness.
I can only point out the door; you have to actually open it. And if you don't want to know, I don't want to waste your time and mine.
Try out that email address again; I'm always open to a good chat, aye? The website has photos and such, too.
Well, I didn't always think so, but I've recently become a fan of Creationism. I have personal (of course, not tangible) experience to believe so...and this being a skeptic for at least 4 decades. After years of trying to devine the role of ghosts, sasquatch, Loch Ness, and all that famous paranormal fits into the square-headed world of physics and math had me running in circles for decades. When you learn what I have, the reasons for this paranormal is so clear, so simple, and so obvious. Contact me if you want the details.
The problem I have with science, in general, is that herd mentality. For hundreds of years it was "decided" that the speed of light was about 30 miles an hour because Sir Francis Bacon spun a junebug around on a string, and he calculated that, at that speed, that's where it blurred.
Further more, I'm having a lot of trouble with the Egyptian's story of the pyramids; the general story is that they were tombs, and were created in the hundred-years period of the king. But there are a couple of problems there: something like 6,000,000 chunks of stone at 100 tons each in 100 years means they were dropping a new one in place every 8 seconds, 24/7. I just don't see that happening. Further, no dead body has been found in the pyramids, but instead inside the adjoining buildings. But, that's the Egyptian insistance, and I have no source of information disputing it, that isn't from the Egyptian crowd.
So ya see, science alone isn't perfect. They can't even admit there's a problem, until someone pulls out a scroll or something the strengthens or defeats a commonly-held thought. In their drive to excise religion from their craft, they wind up making one of their own.:)
And remember how Teradactls and the other dinosaurs got a revamp? (probably several times, but the one big time in the last 20y or so that even I could notice) it's obvious that the pieces are still falling into place...not hard fact yet, but close.
And what's it *truly* matter? The animals that science considers to be mankind then, is markedly changed today...are we just trying to answer the ultimate card-table bet? Who cares exactly where/how/we came from- far more important to know where we're headed, aye?
Feel free to drop me a line; I have a feeling the crowd here's a bit more closed-minded than us...;>
But you're missing the point: the base suggestion is that man lived like a Predator(TM), blending in with any background, sleeping easy and taking from the environment everything he needed. (and eating members of Arnie's party for ratings.) It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now. Bears. Big cats. Mosquitos, even, if metaphorically.
Isn't this obvious to gradeschool children?
And then for the results of the study to communicate to the masses makes us wonder what prompted the study. We hear studies like this almost every day.
The *exact*same*thing is going on politically today:
Democrats hate Republicans, since they won the election (or more importantly, since it was close). Democrats still have friends in the media, and are used to getting their own way by media coverage ("Chronkite says so, so it must be true") so a large section of the uninitiated believe Bush snapped one day, invaded Iraq in 24 hours and killed a friendly, benevolent leader and killed millions of Americans to do it, all because of oil.
But it isn't true.
Facts are different: The intelligence departments of several countries had reason to believe WMDs were there, we spent 8 months waiting for the (bought-off) UN to decide to do something about it, and losing the lowest number of American lives in any war with tanks, we stop the killing going on there and the New York Times even publishes an article telling everyone how Bush is a mean guy 'cause he's removing 500T of uranium, exposing the people of Baghdad to the radioactive ore. (May 22,2004: look it up).
Result? 1/2 of America who doesn't pay attention feels one way, 1/2 feels the other, and both sides generate more head than light.
It's not that this one article has inaccuracy that suggests the wrong finding....it's that hundreds of studies are wonky like this one. How many times have [eggs/meat/fats/carbs] been both [good-for-us/bad-for-us/causes-this-symptom-in-kid s]? The end result is a pervasive untruth...or published stupidity.
You mean the sabre-tooth tiger, and it's descendants, crocodiles, and all the other flesh-eating machines ACTUALLY ATE PEOPLE?
OH, MY GOD! What a stunning turn of events!
(Once again, the intellectuals dazzle me with their stupidity. EVEN TODAY with all the guns, traps, laser beams, humans are still on the menu. Do these guys ever get outta the lab?)
How much did we have to pay for such obvious things? Where can I go to sign up to do a study? I'm thinking about proving the clitoris has something to do with female orgasms. That should be worth enough to get a new car, house, and slick new ride....and I'll take notes along the way.
Ya gotta stop believing everything these people say.
"Domestic Spying" is what Hoover did. And there's every reason in the world to hate it; I'm with you in that regard.
But this ain't that.
This is war; their warriors are calling people in this country, and vice-versa. If we weren't doing this, *I* would call for impeachment. And don't give me that "I agree, but it's the method" argument; it doesn't hold water.
But in the old-world media's mind, "It's not the facts, but the seriousness of the charge" as you may recall. Like the 20+ Halliburton investigations, kicking people out of office for kind words...to Democrats...who were openly racist then, and still are, just not openly.
Other than the smoke-and-mirrors 911 commission, and the obligitory war declaration, has there been even one attempt on the part of the Democrats to actually *help* fighting terrorists? All I see is them protecting them with red tape and starting rumors.
But then, liberals are always the first to help an enemy. Look how they lionize Castro, Noriega, Stalin...remember Jane Fonda sitting on an AA gun, used to shoot down our planes in Vietnam? How about the 200-or-so people who went to Iraq to be human shields? They got there and found the schools and hospitals were full of guns and ammo, not kids and sick people. Saddam had mass graves of 400,000 civilians. And *we* are evil? How's that work?
So now, every move from the left is a means of making the war in Iraq go bad, or talking down the economy, so the Democrats gan get into office. It's about as rude as it can get.
It's getting old, guys- you have elections coming up, and you still haven't decided on your core values, as McAllif has reluctantly told us. "It's coming".
Core values, the platform of a political party, should never be something to conjur or take from polls- they're a part of who you are.
See, that's why IWon.com now dominates the planet; they offered cash and/or prizes.:)
It must be hell, being these guys- being sucessful with only two things, the Office software and their dwindling OS. They've tried to branch out, but their involvement is the kiss of death. WebTV, Sirius satellite, plush-toys...about the only thing they did well, outside their specialty is their hardware, which is actually good.
But who wants to have the Microsoft logo at their desk?:)
Maybe you read that too fast; "Origin of species" doesn't detail the development of man really, just the animals. And as a process, is there any doubt Evolution exists? By that I mean more specifically, natural selection.
As to Evolution, as a random process creating all life, it seems far fetched to me. The reality we're in now isn't keen on making new and interesting things from simple inanimate matter without intervention of some kind. See also: VCR truck hits computer truck: robots seen leaving the scene....
As I read scripture, we're in God's terrarium; as the smaller animals were created, the angels sing. Until Adam was made, and Lucifer Morningstar was unimpressed. A fight broke out...at some point Lucifer made a statement that man was unworthy, and that he'd make a better God.
Well notice that a being that has *all* powers, let him and 1/3 of the angels drop to earth....not oblivion. Or Pluto. It's not like Earth was the only place available. It was meant for us to start neutral, under his influence, to seek God. Now, if God knows whether we'll be worthy, why the 6,000 years of drama? Why the whole charade? It's not to prove it to us...nor God...but Satan; he's the one non-omnicient here, and for a long time perhaps the closest thing to a 'friend' or 'peer' God had. We're meant to act out this little Peyton Place to show to him the truth of us, before he permanently sends Satan away.
At least that's how I'm reading it.
I see ID as at long last a recognition that a God exists; with that, skeptics like me would be drawn to the truth in larger numbers. I don't see anything about ID asserting an imperfection in God; their works, and much of Darwins were an attempt for mankind to understand how God went about making what's here.
Yeah, I'm no specific fan of Augustine; there's not much God-like power in dead mortals.:) But he was right when he wrote that: I can't tell you how many times I thought I understood a situation, when I got served a certificate of stupidity from God. But there are minor, tiny, almost unobservable problems with the text.
Chief among them is the assertion the Jesus would be from the family of David; at the time, the wrong parent was. It's part of why the Jews had such a hard time recognizing Him. That, and endless stories about how the whole tribe was kept alive in the desert for 40 years with mana, a flame at night, and a cloud in the day. I don't blame'em one bit. But I do welcome them.
I'll bet "problems" like this are matters of transcriptions or something...it reminds me of what Mark Twain said about history: "History doesn't repeat itself...but it does rhyme."
If you're interested in following this further, feel free to drop me a line- we're gonna get this thread marked SO off-topic...
Well, obviously there's been some genefiddling and learning since my feeble public school education- nope, not a doctor. Don't even play one on TV.
But my take on the development of man is not "either-or" like most folks; it's my feeling that a signifgant change was made to the DNA from ape to man...an editing, if you will, in the past. I just can't buy that two animals can be bridged by so much time, yet the "old" creatures are still running about today, long after the presumed evolution processed us into the current beings. After this much time, wouldn't it mean the apes were decendant from another form, too?
But we do share a number of instincts, I think- like the way menstrating women in small groups tend to synchronize; I can see where moving a troop of people, thousands of years ago, would be much easier without a female producing attractive hormones every couple of days along the route; I don't think that's a safe travelling strategy.
Most people seem to think it's one or the other, not a combination. But the scriptures read that Adam was taken from the dust...because there would be no point explaining to men thousands of years about about RNA/DNA and the details...these people would continue to pee in the streets for centuries. Frenchmen still do. (The funny black-board looking things.):)
As to the nature of muscle tissue and such; it appears I've been told wrong. But my point was this: we're very different now, even if we could have started the same. Issues of Koko aside, we're made of the same carbon-based goo the rest of the animals are, but merely similar.
But I *would* love to get something confirmed, if possible: are human females the only ones to have a hymen? I don't know any zoologists or for that matter, any biologists that can tell me.
Fascinating; thanks- this helps explain to me how mutations can remain hidden before manifesting. I'm no doctor, and no expert on the subject...but Christians embracing Darwinism seems backwards to me. Kinda like extolling the virtue of Freud, these days...or Doctor Spock.
How on earth did we procreate and survive without paperback experts?:)
Churches...churches where a Bible is actually *used* will not take this position. Suspect any church, claiming to be Christian, taking this stances; it's not compatible.
No, not because I think being descended from apes is embarrasing- God could have squirted us into being as "hyperintelligent shades of the color blue"; it's because the science doesn't match up.
I'll be first to admit that The Big Bang is described in Genesis 1, but the origins of man can't be plainer. Even today, Darwin's attempt to explain the origins of man aren't very accurate with his book, Origins_of_Species.
I'm also very quick to agree that while the animals may have been created by a long, *seemingly* random process of natural selection, it's clear to modern science that mankind just didn't happen that way:
1. Everywhere in nature, the double helix DNA works the same way. To mate, animals must have the same number of 'rungs'. But man has 46, and ape has 48; humans have #2 & #3 bonded together. Nowhere else in nature are rungs "bonded" like this. We're just not the same, but we appear similar, visually.
2. Muscle tissue, not to mention details of the (physical) heart vary greatly between man an primates.
The whole Intelligent Design concepts is based on these differences...but because it merely comes to the conclusion that "we don't know how we came to be, but it must have been something bigger than ourselves" the people so quick to accept Darwin are not supporting ID, at all.
I'll betcha that when it's all over, Darwin will explain animals, and ID as a general concept will be proven correct for man. But that's my hunch.
Any church taking this position is not trying to get you into heaven. Satan works by offering you many, many distractions: some so completely different (UFO, ghosts, etc) that you won't hear the word and investigate it for yourself, and the other so close that it appears to be the same thing (mormons, etc). I had been a skeptic for decades, looking for answers to Big Foot, ghosts, you-name-it. But the Christian explanation of the big picture makes the most sense, with the least anomalies. Yeah, even with the flood, and other miracles. If you get curious, drop me a line.
AND JUST SO I CAN BE ONCE AGAIN MODDED "OFF TOPIC"....
Have you heard, as I have, that the pyramids, as explained by the eqyptoligists, would have meant dropping a 100+ ton block in place every 8 seconds, continuously, for 100 years?
I've also heard that "No dead body has ever been found in the pyramids". Can anyone verify this for me?
(The point being, scientists don't always get it right, from looking at ruins....):)
(I think you mean spending, not inflation. Maybe you're remembering the Carter administration.)
We've got to get these old-timers out of the government. Remember how term-limits couldn't get voted in? I guess like Popes, we have to wait for them to die. Did ya hear all the jibber-jabber from Kennedy the other day? Sheesh!
It's folks like that with so much political clout, that make them blow money like a drunken sailor. Why Bush is, I'm not sure.:)
That could be; I've never put a yardstick to it. It just seems that navigational aids would be a really nice thing. Not a lot of people know this, but I've not been ther before!:)
Very good points- all of'em. But think about government work...and the Hubble. Maybe now's the time to launch'em so they'll be ready before the starport is made!:)
Enjoy the ride. It'll be a lot of fun. Forget I said anything. Stay surprised when the FBI has a gun on you, the moment you make up your mind to do anything illegal. It's clear you don't know, and don't want to; I'm not replying again.
See? Thanks for the example. There are those that don't believe, and those that won't.
World War two *had* to happen. The mass-killings there were the inspiration for the establishment of Isreal. The establishment of Isreal started the "same generation" timer to the final show. I'm just waiting for Sharon to awake. If he starts doing "miracles", it's time to get nervous.
Development of the transistor has lead us to world-wide banking, something that's never existed before, and a way to allow/deny a sale of any property. Throw in the Federal Reserve system and all bets are off, but one: money's going to be controlled more than ever before.
The changes are intentionally small, so the majority doesn't notice them...
See, it's the people who *aren't* smoking who are spotting the clues. Those that are, tend to be very much about the here-and-now, so they don't see things coming.
Knowing someone who has a bible isn't enough; you kinda have to venture into it once in a while. Twain said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it *does* rhyme." And right now things are about to get very interesting in the Middle East.
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I thought we outlawed genetic mutations after the Hoover administration!
...anyone? ...anyone?
(/Sarcasm)
Show of hands: how many people thought people (or any living organism) was done evolving.
OK, time to get cable TV in the nerd hut.
Honestly...studies never report any surprises...
Bell Labs/Ma Bell/"The phone police" did one thing for about a century: run lines to people an d get'em connected. That was their main stock in trade. Maybe the merger means they'll all move to the same methodology- that cost savings, in the long run won't be a problem, but they have ONE PROBLEM that's got me bugged.
I'm just outside the city limits- about 3 blocks. There's only 2 DSL points...CLECS?...in this town of 250,000. The second one is on the other side of town, and useless to me. I'm stuck with fiber-backboned cable, so I'm thankful the only choice is at least a good one.
Now...my brother.
He lives three miles west of me. Out there, it's farmland. Deer are seen _every_night_ that he goes home. Huge "shredded wheat" rolls are parked here and there, and everyone knows what brand of tractor they have, and want. Everyone knows the county extension agent, even if they don't farm- he's a neighbor, too.
However, HE CAN'T GET DSL...not because he's even farther from the DSL point than I...but because, in his rural pastureland, his telephone service is based on FIBER OPTICS, and SBC won't let him tap into it, nor to use the increasingly-vacant copper lines to "leased-line-it" to my house. He's stuck on dialup at best, while we try to build towers and get an RF link up.
Do you see the irony here? He can't get basic internet, because his farmland technology has outpaced mine in the city somehow. WTF?
The company (and it's descendants) who built their industry on connecting people have two situations, very prevelant ones, in which they can't connect people. This isn't a technical problem, it's a policy problem.
"The Innovator's Delima", perhaps?
I spent a lot of time hating the old AT&T, not trusting that their components were really different somehow. My insticts are that we're all going to hate them, again.
Remember there was "no back door" in Win31->Win2k3, either, until we found one (or more). Face it- there's at least one. Ever seen Easter Eggs?
When these guys talk, you need to *instinctively* know they're lying. (they have, for about two decades, now...even the release process hasn't really changed...)
Sorry, yeah- it's actually Brian@Fahrlander.net (they obfuscate it). I don't mind posting it 'cause I have my own antispam, and time on several servers to sort it FOR me. :)
:) I have no problem with animals having a long series of fits and starts, changing, growing, mutating; nor do I have the slightest problem with the age of the planet being in the billions of years old. Time measurement in scripture is both vague and metaphorical. I don't for a second believe that in one, 24h day a whole list of things happened, but, like in Revelation and other prophocies, they're meant to convey an "age", not a single short day. Besides, one of those "days" happen before Earth was defined.
:) you'll feel that way, too.
You might be a little...distracted on the Christian viewpoint. A lot of Christians that don't spend the time on it just blow off The Big Bang and Evolution (as a starting point, not a process) but I don't. Let me explain:
1. Dinosaurs are not only real, they're in Genesis...and in your shop.
2. I think Darwin's inital perspective was generally right, but to abstract that to humans is overlooking a lot more differences than similarities. Not that we couldn't have been developed from a primate on all fours, but because of the different way we live, grow, learn, and do very noble things that are very stupid, in terms of survival.
According to scripture, which I've recently become inclined to believe, Adam was made "from the ashes"...and with so many leftover traits and the unlikelyhood of anyone knowing what RNA/DNA is, that was sufficient explanation. My personal belief is that man is a genetically-modified "ape" but given a burden no animal had to carry. So yeah, in a way it's like an evolution...but the time of _man_, like we are, I feel is probably about 6,000 years old.
[Side note] Did they ever work out the reason for the tiny heart and long neck of what used to be called a brotosaurus? I'm thinking that, that far back, the gravity was MUCH less, considering the tons of space dust, and the long, long time...
[/end note]
It's not really that Christians are too lazy to investigate geology; it's because they couldn't possibly care less. For them, they understand that ours is a short, usually miserable time on Earth without knowledge of God, then a personal revelation, and soon it will be over. And I can only suggest this is true, because of the "white paranormal" that helped me believe.
3. If you've ever read Genesis and compared it to The Big Bang or "The other, it's simpler theory"
The burden of man is astonishing; starting with literally *nothing* and learning from thereg, he has to decide right from wrong, and chose the right. It's not about doing good, or doing evil; it's just that once you've connected to God, you'll DO the good, and not the evil. And from the first generation to the last, each and every "proof of existance" comes with refuting evidence: otherwise, children will not be making the choice on their own.
I can't take you to an open field, or fly you to an orbit where we can play cards with God; all I can do is to relate what I've personally seen and tell you why, after decades of skepticism and misery, I'm now convinced, no longer in need of anti-depressants and happy, even though the world would think I'm miserable. Isn't that a scientific principal? Well, maybe it's more like journalism with an eye-witness.
I can only point out the door; you have to actually open it. And if you don't want to know, I don't want to waste your time and mine.
Try out that email address again; I'm always open to a good chat, aye? The website has photos and such, too.
Well, I didn't always think so, but I've recently become a fan of Creationism. I have personal (of course, not tangible) experience to believe so...and this being a skeptic for at least 4 decades. After years of trying to devine the role of ghosts, sasquatch, Loch Ness, and all that famous paranormal fits into the square-headed world of physics and math had me running in circles for decades. When you learn what I have, the reasons for this paranormal is so clear, so simple, and so obvious. Contact me if you want the details.
:)
;>
The problem I have with science, in general, is that herd mentality. For hundreds of years it was "decided" that the speed of light was about 30 miles an hour because Sir Francis Bacon spun a junebug around on a string, and he calculated that, at that speed, that's where it blurred.
Further more, I'm having a lot of trouble with the Egyptian's story of the pyramids; the general story is that they were tombs, and were created in the hundred-years period of the king. But there are a couple of problems there: something like 6,000,000 chunks of stone at 100 tons each in 100 years means they were dropping a new one in place every 8 seconds, 24/7. I just don't see that happening. Further, no dead body has been found in the pyramids, but instead inside the adjoining buildings. But, that's the Egyptian insistance, and I have no source of information disputing it, that isn't from the Egyptian crowd.
So ya see, science alone isn't perfect. They can't even admit there's a problem, until someone pulls out a scroll or something the strengthens or defeats a commonly-held thought. In their drive to excise religion from their craft, they wind up making one of their own.
And remember how Teradactls and the other dinosaurs got a revamp? (probably several times, but the one big time in the last 20y or so that even I could notice) it's obvious that the pieces are still falling into place...not hard fact yet, but close.
And what's it *truly* matter? The animals that science considers to be mankind then, is markedly changed today...are we just trying to answer the ultimate card-table bet? Who cares exactly where/how/we came from- far more important to know where we're headed, aye?
Feel free to drop me a line; I have a feeling the crowd here's a bit more closed-minded than us...
But you're missing the point: the base suggestion is that man lived like a Predator(TM), blending in with any background, sleeping easy and taking from the environment everything he needed. (and eating members of Arnie's party for ratings.) It wasn't true then, and it isn't true now. Bears. Big cats. Mosquitos, even, if metaphorically.
d s]? The end result is a pervasive untruth...or published stupidity.
Isn't this obvious to gradeschool children?
And then for the results of the study to communicate to the masses makes us wonder what prompted the study. We hear studies like this almost every day.
The *exact*same*thing is going on politically today:
Democrats hate Republicans, since they won the election (or more importantly, since it was close). Democrats still have friends in the media, and are used to getting their own way by media coverage ("Chronkite says so, so it must be true") so a large section of the uninitiated believe Bush snapped one day, invaded Iraq in 24 hours and killed a friendly, benevolent leader and killed millions of Americans to do it, all because of oil.
But it isn't true.
Facts are different: The intelligence departments of several countries had reason to believe WMDs were there, we spent 8 months waiting for the (bought-off) UN to decide to do something about it, and losing the lowest number of American lives in any war with tanks, we stop the killing going on there and the New York Times even publishes an article telling everyone how Bush is a mean guy 'cause he's removing 500T of uranium, exposing the people of Baghdad to the radioactive ore. (May 22,2004: look it up).
Result? 1/2 of America who doesn't pay attention feels one way, 1/2 feels the other, and both sides generate more head than light.
It's not that this one article has inaccuracy that suggests the wrong finding....it's that hundreds of studies are wonky like this one. How many times have [eggs/meat/fats/carbs] been both [good-for-us/bad-for-us/causes-this-symptom-in-ki
You mean the sabre-tooth tiger, and it's descendants, crocodiles, and all the other flesh-eating machines ACTUALLY ATE PEOPLE?
OH, MY GOD! What a stunning turn of events!
(Once again, the intellectuals dazzle me with their stupidity. EVEN TODAY with all the guns, traps, laser beams, humans are still on the menu. Do these guys ever get outta the lab?)
How much did we have to pay for such obvious things? Where can I go to sign up to do a study? I'm thinking about proving the clitoris has something to do with female orgasms. That should be worth enough to get a new car, house, and slick new ride....and I'll take notes along the way.
Ya gotta stop believing everything these people say.
With Linux eating up their business all over the planet, what's a monopoly to do? :)
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Don't worry- this'll as good as everything else has.
Anyone want a cookie?
"Domestic Spying" is what Hoover did. And there's every reason in the world to hate it; I'm with you in that regard.
But this ain't that.
This is war; their warriors are calling people in this country, and vice-versa. If we weren't doing this, *I* would call for impeachment. And don't give me that "I agree, but it's the method" argument; it doesn't hold water.
But in the old-world media's mind, "It's not the facts, but the seriousness of the charge" as you may recall. Like the 20+ Halliburton investigations, kicking people out of office for kind words...to Democrats...who were openly racist then, and still are, just not openly.
Other than the smoke-and-mirrors 911 commission, and the obligitory war declaration, has there been even one attempt on the part of the Democrats to actually *help* fighting terrorists? All I see is them protecting them with red tape and starting rumors.
But then, liberals are always the first to help an enemy. Look how they lionize Castro, Noriega, Stalin...remember Jane Fonda sitting on an AA gun, used to shoot down our planes in Vietnam? How about the 200-or-so people who went to Iraq to be human shields? They got there and found the schools and hospitals were full of guns and ammo, not kids and sick people. Saddam had mass graves of 400,000 civilians. And *we* are evil? How's that work?
So now, every move from the left is a means of making the war in Iraq go bad, or talking down the economy, so the Democrats gan get into office. It's about as rude as it can get.
It's getting old, guys- you have elections coming up, and you still haven't decided on your core values, as McAllif has reluctantly told us. "It's coming".
Core values, the platform of a political party, should never be something to conjur or take from polls- they're a part of who you are.
Can we move on, please?
See, that's why IWon.com now dominates the planet; they offered cash and/or prizes. :)
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It must be hell, being these guys- being sucessful with only two things, the Office software and their dwindling OS. They've tried to branch out, but their involvement is the kiss of death. WebTV, Sirius satellite, plush-toys...about the only thing they did well, outside their specialty is their hardware, which is actually good.
But who wants to have the Microsoft logo at their desk?
Well, we couldn't give legs to Superman, but we managed to make mobile, something that never was. That should count for something, shouldn't it? :)
Good work, guys!
I couldn't agree more. And when will all these people stop buying V1agra from people through spam, so it'll stop?
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I guess Bill Gates was right- "There's a sucker born every minute."
Maybe you read that too fast; "Origin of species" doesn't detail the development of man really, just the animals. And as a process, is there any doubt Evolution exists? By that I mean more specifically, natural selection.
:) But he was right when he wrote that: I can't tell you how many times I thought I understood a situation, when I got served a certificate of stupidity from God. But there are minor, tiny, almost unobservable problems with the text.
As to Evolution, as a random process creating all life, it seems far fetched to me. The reality we're in now isn't keen on making new and interesting things from simple inanimate matter without intervention of some kind. See also: VCR truck hits computer truck: robots seen leaving the scene....
As I read scripture, we're in God's terrarium; as the smaller animals were created, the angels sing. Until Adam was made, and Lucifer Morningstar was unimpressed. A fight broke out...at some point Lucifer made a statement that man was unworthy, and that he'd make a better God.
Well notice that a being that has *all* powers, let him and 1/3 of the angels drop to earth....not oblivion. Or Pluto. It's not like Earth was the only place available. It was meant for us to start neutral, under his influence, to seek God. Now, if God knows whether we'll be worthy, why the 6,000 years of drama? Why the whole charade? It's not to prove it to us...nor God...but Satan; he's the one non-omnicient here, and for a long time perhaps the closest thing to a 'friend' or 'peer' God had. We're meant to act out this little Peyton Place to show to him the truth of us, before he permanently sends Satan away.
At least that's how I'm reading it.
I see ID as at long last a recognition that a God exists; with that, skeptics like me would be drawn to the truth in larger numbers. I don't see anything about ID asserting an imperfection in God; their works, and much of Darwins were an attempt for mankind to understand how God went about making what's here.
Yeah, I'm no specific fan of Augustine; there's not much God-like power in dead mortals.
Chief among them is the assertion the Jesus would be from the family of David; at the time, the wrong parent was. It's part of why the Jews had such a hard time recognizing Him. That, and endless stories about how the whole tribe was kept alive in the desert for 40 years with mana, a flame at night, and a cloud in the day. I don't blame'em one bit. But I do welcome them.
I'll bet "problems" like this are matters of transcriptions or something...it reminds me of what Mark Twain said about history: "History doesn't repeat itself...but it does rhyme."
If you're interested in following this further, feel free to drop me a line- we're gonna get this thread marked SO off-topic...
Well, obviously there's been some genefiddling and learning since my feeble public school education- nope, not a doctor. Don't even play one on TV.
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But my take on the development of man is not "either-or" like most folks; it's my feeling that a signifgant change was made to the DNA from ape to man...an editing, if you will, in the past. I just can't buy that two animals can be bridged by so much time, yet the "old" creatures are still running about today, long after the presumed evolution processed us into the current beings. After this much time, wouldn't it mean the apes were decendant from another form, too?
But we do share a number of instincts, I think- like the way menstrating women in small groups tend to synchronize; I can see where moving a troop of people, thousands of years ago, would be much easier without a female producing attractive hormones every couple of days along the route; I don't think that's a safe travelling strategy.
Most people seem to think it's one or the other, not a combination. But the scriptures read that Adam was taken from the dust...because there would be no point explaining to men thousands of years about about RNA/DNA and the details...these people would continue to pee in the streets for centuries. Frenchmen still do. (The funny black-board looking things.)
As to the nature of muscle tissue and such; it appears I've been told wrong. But my point was this: we're very different now, even if we could have started the same. Issues of Koko aside, we're made of the same carbon-based goo the rest of the animals are, but merely similar.
But I *would* love to get something confirmed, if possible: are human females the only ones to have a hymen? I don't know any zoologists or for that matter, any biologists that can tell me.
Any idea?
Fascinating; thanks- this helps explain to me how mutations can remain hidden before manifesting. I'm no doctor, and no expert on the subject...but Christians embracing Darwinism seems backwards to me. Kinda like extolling the virtue of Freud, these days...or Doctor Spock.
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How on earth did we procreate and survive without paperback experts?
Churches...churches where a Bible is actually *used* will not take this position. Suspect any church, claiming to be Christian, taking this stances; it's not compatible.
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No, not because I think being descended from apes is embarrasing- God could have squirted us into being as "hyperintelligent shades of the color blue"; it's because the science doesn't match up.
I'll be first to admit that The Big Bang is described in Genesis 1, but the origins of man can't be plainer. Even today, Darwin's attempt to explain the origins of man aren't very accurate with his book, Origins_of_Species.
I'm also very quick to agree that while the animals may have been created by a long, *seemingly* random process of natural selection, it's clear to modern science that mankind just didn't happen that way:
1. Everywhere in nature, the double helix DNA works the same way. To mate, animals must have the same number of 'rungs'. But man has 46, and ape has 48; humans have #2 & #3 bonded together. Nowhere else in nature are rungs "bonded" like this. We're just not the same, but we appear similar, visually.
2. Muscle tissue, not to mention details of the (physical) heart vary greatly between man an primates.
The whole Intelligent Design concepts is based on these differences...but because it merely comes to the conclusion that "we don't know how we came to be, but it must have been something bigger than ourselves" the people so quick to accept Darwin are not supporting ID, at all.
I'll betcha that when it's all over, Darwin will explain animals, and ID as a general concept will be proven correct for man. But that's my hunch.
Any church taking this position is not trying to get you into heaven. Satan works by offering you many, many distractions: some so completely different (UFO, ghosts, etc) that you won't hear the word and investigate it for yourself, and the other so close that it appears to be the same thing (mormons, etc). I had been a skeptic for decades, looking for answers to Big Foot, ghosts, you-name-it. But the Christian explanation of the big picture makes the most sense, with the least anomalies. Yeah, even with the flood, and other miracles. If you get curious, drop me a line.
AND JUST SO I CAN BE ONCE AGAIN MODDED "OFF TOPIC"....
Have you heard, as I have, that the pyramids, as explained by the eqyptoligists, would have meant dropping a 100+ ton block in place every 8 seconds, continuously, for 100 years?
I've also heard that "No dead body has ever been found in the pyramids". Can anyone verify this for me?
(The point being, scientists don't always get it right, from looking at ruins....)
A sure sign of the endtimes: Barry Manilow is back on top!
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WTF? He's not had a song in 20+ YEARS....and he's outselling rappers?
Billboard has the story:
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/article_displ
Now mark THIS an "off-topic"....
(I think you mean spending, not inflation. Maybe you're remembering the Carter administration.)
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We've got to get these old-timers out of the government. Remember how term-limits couldn't get voted in? I guess like Popes, we have to wait for them to die. Did ya hear all the jibber-jabber from Kennedy the other day? Sheesh!
It's folks like that with so much political clout, that make them blow money like a drunken sailor. Why Bush is, I'm not sure.
That could be; I've never put a yardstick to it. It just seems that navigational aids would be a really nice thing. Not a lot of people know this, but I've not been ther before! :)
Very good points- all of'em. But think about government work...and the Hubble. Maybe now's the time to launch'em so they'll be ready before the starport is made! :)
Remember MIRV technology? How about we send a Delta-2 (or required launch craft) and put a ring around the moon of GPS satellites?
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It would sure make mapping, navigating and everything else easier, no? How hard would that be, now that atomic clocks are so small?
BUT BE SURE THEY'RE USING FREQUENCIES that don't mingle with Earth GPS. (I remember a time I wouldn't have to say such obvious things...)
Wasn't there a rogue early-med-school student got $20,000 and found an HIV vaccine? Whatever happened to that? It was about a year ago, wasn't it?
Enjoy the ride. It'll be a lot of fun. Forget I said anything. Stay surprised when the FBI has a gun on you, the moment you make up your mind to do anything illegal. It's clear you don't know, and don't want to; I'm not replying again.
See? Thanks for the example. There are those that don't believe, and those that won't.
World War two *had* to happen. The mass-killings there were the inspiration for the establishment of Isreal. The establishment of Isreal started the "same generation" timer to the final show. I'm just waiting for Sharon to awake. If he starts doing "miracles", it's time to get nervous.
Development of the transistor has lead us to world-wide banking, something that's never existed before, and a way to allow/deny a sale of any property. Throw in the Federal Reserve system and all bets are off, but one: money's going to be controlled more than ever before.
The changes are intentionally small, so the majority doesn't notice them...
See, it's the people who *aren't* smoking who are spotting the clues. Those that are, tend to be very much about the here-and-now, so they don't see things coming.
Knowing someone who has a bible isn't enough; you kinda have to venture into it once in a while. Twain said, "History doesn't repeat itself, but it *does* rhyme." And right now things are about to get very interesting in the Middle East.
Get curious; it could be good for ya!
Hair splitting. I also didn't include changes to the various calendar systems since then, so it's off by 6 years, too. :)