I know most of you could give a rat's ass, but this has been planned for quite a long time. This is going to get more pervasive, not less. This is a process that started in 1948, when several changes happened: the development of the transistor, and re-establishment of Isreal being just two of'em.
"Big Brother" is coming, like it or not; it's not a hunch or an instinct, it's a scriptural fact. 2650 years ago, when a similar situation was underway with Emperor Nero, Ezikiel scrawled prophecy. (It's probably where TheAdversary got the idea)
Back then, it was thought Nero was the AntiChrist; but he had no RFIDs, no cellphones, no CCTV and no way to conduct world-wide commerce....or deny it...to people not 'flying his flag'. That's gonna happen in about 10 years or less.
It presents us with a slippery slope, where so many honest, workaday-types appreciate the benefits, and the people with the most money (places like WalMart and huge trucking firms) will save so much money they *can't* ignore it.
So nay-say all ya want, but we're on a schedule here...and there's no more changing this reality than killing Hitler when he was a corporal in WW1, to avoid WW2. Make your peace; think things through...and get used to it, 'cause it's not going back to the Bonnie & Clyde days where a duo can rob a bank on one side of town, then cross town to rob another, and be out of town before the police know about it.
"[There'll] come a day where there's no room for naughty men like us to slip about." --Malcom Reynolds, Serenity
If you think this is news, it'll shudder you to your core to know that...brace yourself...the UN is also completely bugged. Been that way since the start.
A lot of you zombies think it's some good-hearted organization for finding lost puppies, but part of the Iraq-war intel came from there. And it stretches back all the way....I suppose to the Bay of Pigs or so.
It's not new; it's just new to you...part of how the world has always worked. Don't panic.
I know I'm very unpopular for taking the "old man's stance" on a lot of issues- they've never taken a single article I've suggested (even though they fall into the much-disussed guidelines) and it's largely because I'm conservative, and the rest of you are young farts that DIDN'T start in computers before the Microsoft corporation.
But I have to chuckle at this. "Wine" as we now call it, is the name for "rancid wine" from the times of old. The scriptures hold that "wine" (grape juice, these days) should not be held until later, when it gets "the bite like fire".
Sure Christ and pals drank lots of wine...mostly because Mountain Dew was a few years off; they drank grape juice. To drink it after it ferments was just a liquid form of temtation.
This is where you guys retort with all the powerful uses of wine and other spirits and call me a neo-con or something, but face it: a LOT of people die on the roads. A lot of people die when they stay too late, going home drunk with another man's woman. It's caused immense pain and suffering, no matter how good it might smell, or how many other adults think it's ok.
I just have to chuckle at this development; a faster way to cause that problem, now that so many other ways are clearly blocking our view of what's important.
And I'm not gonna bore you with a message you won't respond to; I'm just gonna chuckle. These are modern times, after all. You all know better than I!:)
Well, that is to say, everything but leave the fragile and intentionally weak operating system, that is. After all, we gotta play games, and we don't like changes, unless they come from Microsoft.:)
"Doing our damnedest"; that's very, very funny. Remember that MS is closed-source, and therefore better code: no one can see the code. So how is it the Vista-ready viruses are ready to go when the OS hasn't been released?
Quit fooling yourself. If you're still running Microsoft, it's out of laziness.
"However, just to let you know the claim that army re-enlistment is at an all time high is unfounded, a link you might trust more: Fox News on Re-enlistment- A different spin, but the same numbers."
Actually I said re-enlistment; I'm aware that the National Guard _recruitment_ is under-goal, but the others are up. People that have been there, generally want to go back.
"As for the first one (the Rove investigation)Fox take on Leak Probes-Yes, I realise they barely touch it, though they do acknowledge (near the end of the article)the widely-reported statement of the special prosecutor(Fitzgerald)that the investigation would be ongoing and focus on the office of Karl Rove."
Still a tempest-in-a-teacup unlike they sold it on the old-time media. "The Plaime case will rip open Rove (who they hate, for some reason) and reveal Bush just *wanted* the war, so he'll be impeached."
They're obviously forgetting that Saddam violated the ceasefire daily, shooting at our aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones, was making weapons outside the rules (in particular, missiles that would reach Isreal) as well as the 8 months we spent in the desert heat waiting for the UN to realize France was being paid to block Saddam's actions. And never mind old-Iraq was a home to Abu-Nidal, Abu-abas and one other high-value terrorist that made history. [Harboring terrorists]. Oh: and nations we trust providing the same intel we had: that he was working to rebuild and keep fighting, including signs of N/B/C stuff we couldn't abide.
But no, this was a war Bush just wanted to fight. Yeah.
I watched this stuff every day. I saw there was no way to avoid this, and no chance of it going away. But the same places that reported the issues, now pretend they didn't happen: they're zombies now, too. See the NYT- search 1997-2000 for stories about atrocities and such. They're all there in the archives.
"Really, man- the tactic of burying a story and then using the cry of "It's the liberal media making a big deal of nothing!!" will only work for so long. (Or not at all, in the case of those who bother to look around a little)."
I'm only using the tactic because we've been here so many times before. Remember the "totally innocent" grandparents who were listening on a [semi-legal] scanner and overheard Republican strategy? "Oh, we're gonna nail'em now!" It turned out to be a plant, all along. I'm sick of it.
"And for the record, the Dems suck bigtime, too- the only diffference being that they're not (currently) in a position to demolish the constitution as the Repubs seem to be striving to."
Well, they do NOW, and that's part of what's maddening. I, too, signed onto the idea of civil rights, women's rights, environmental issues, and such...but all the people who were pushing every one of these issues are now perverted:
- The civil rights people now tell people not to "act white" and get a good education. "Whitey owes us". Several times Jesse Jackson and the whole crew did nothing while the black senator (Vermont?) was getting Oreos and other junk thrown at him....calling him "Uncle Tom" and such...by DEMOCRATS! How's this the Democrats serving the needs of the negro community?
- The women's rights movement now centers on how to turn little boys into little girls, or at least signifigantly damaged young men. Little girls are told how it's not only important, but fun, to file sexual harassment lawsuits for simple office-talk. How's this promote fairplay?
- The environmentalists have gone from protecting the environment to keeping us from drilling for oil, keeping the prices unnecessarily high. And when someone actually comes to install a windfarm, they sue to block it, because it mucks-up the view, and might kill a bird here or there. How's this protect the environment?
I've seen this before; most of the metals with a salvage value, do so for this very reason. When it gets short, the price goes up, people find 1) other ways to not use the commodity and 2)ways to recycle more or "create" more through other means.
I spent an hour marking up a long, complete set of rebuttals when I realized it's not worth it. No matter what I say, you'll split hairs, call my sources dubious, and/or call me names. If you believe in all you say and hate Bush as much as you do, there no amount of text I can put here that's going to change your mind. More sources you're used to listening to, oppose the handful that I listen to, and that's enough for you.
Let's face it, you're programmed. And when the next election doesn't turn out the way you wanted, remember this issue.
If you're only willing to listen to the legacy media, and not what's being said about_the_legacy_media, you'll never see the bias that has you all a-twitter right now. You won't listen to Limbaugh for a week, you'll say you did. You won't research my claims, you're too busy. You'll just keep the tv tuned to CNN, listen to the same sources, and one day your eyes will open.
You probably think there's no connection between NYT/CNN/NBC/CBS/etc even though they use the same words in their stories. But do me a favor: check out that link in the NYT, May 22, 2004 and see if there isn't reason to start asking questions. This isn't the first time they've claimed one thing and previously reported another.
(BTW: "*cough*bullshit*cough*" is only funny as a sight joke, not in text.)
Yeah, I was afraid of that; the first one's from Knight-Ridder, not exactly broken free of the legacy (Liberal) press, the other story is on a website so proud of their investigative credentials they're just called "Raw story". Looks like news...smells like pulp. Sorry, I'm gonna need more credibility than that; websites are funded, manned, and directed by Soros for the intent of "repeating a lie long enough to make it true".
And even the second story was true, it's old- four months now? The case has still not awakened any surprise...
Liberals never tire of playing rope-a-dope. Well, it'd BE rope-a-dope, if they weren't doing it to themselves. Maybe there's another word for it.
How many times will we have to hear how George Bush has scheduled the world's destruction, only to learn the assertion is fabricated?
Remember how:
- Rove was going to be taken down, and Bush impeached over revealing a covert CIA agent? [Who wasn't covert, and hadn't been for 6 years]
- How the Conservatives were "cracking up", by wanting to withdraw Harriet Myers, yet it was actually a strengthening of the party's convictions (See also: Sam Alito)?
- About 20 lawsuits against Halliburton, Clinton's favorite tool and the only non-French company that makes CITIES, came to nothing?
- Rush Limbaugh was going to be jailed for taking prescription drugs, but the court found there was no evidence whatsoever, and the prosecutor was trying to take a fishing expedition?
- How tax cuts would "bankrupt the country", but it's growing at the safest, strongest rate without being in a boom? [Also done by JFK, Ronald Regan, George Bush 41- NOT done by Jimmy Carter who *raised* taxes, and we were miserable.]
- How almost every democratic congress-geezer moans about low military morale, but people are re-enlisting in numbers rivaled only by the second world war?
- How "no WMDs" were in Iraq, but the New York Times reported (5/22/04) that Bush was harming the Iraqis by hauling out 500T of yellowcake uranium, and 2T of enriched uranium from the streets of Baghdad?
- How Bush "went AWOL" from his Air National Guard duties in the vietnam era, but the papers were using Microsoft's font face?
- How we're supposed to believe that people are starving from the "worst economy", but $2B is surplus in the food stamp account? [Unemployment is at ~5%, probably as low as it can get]
- How Iraq will be "another Vietnam" but after 3 years less people have died there than the DoD admits to losing, if they'd stayed home? [~1200/year normally, should be 3600, but we've only lost 2200 or so]
- How Conservatives are always railed about "tax cuts for the rich", and every time it boosts the economy? ["The rich" own companies. Ever get a job from a single mother living in the projects? There IS a connection.]
How is it that people voting Democratic can keep believing the headlines and getting excited, and it's all for nothing, over and over again?
The allegations and the headlines they generate are rarely the same; it's what's called media bias. The wiretaps were on international phone traffic involving phone numbers attributed to terrorists or terrorist-support groups. It's been done before, and by some of the people claiming it's illegal (like Al Gore). Who doesn't WANT this?
Mark my words, and remember this at the ballot box: nothing will come of this. Get off the treadmill; think for yourself, research for yourself.
Well, consider this: when has scientific warning been right? Like in the case of the plagues, tidal waves, earthquakes, bird-flu (we'll see, I suppose) or any other "bad thing", there's never a warning about, and there's all kinds of warnings that are just tangentally true.
One thing I've learned is to listen to predictions like this. Look at the long history of disasters diverted by relying on the scientists- The Hindenburg, the Plagues, and th 60's hippie movement. I remember hearing about 9/11 months before on TV, and changing my schedule. I was so close to buying into the Enron thing, when Neil Cavuto changed my mind. And other warnings kept me from going to school naked...no, wait- that was a dream.
My point is, we *never* get warnings about the big stuff. And this is no exception. Remember the coming ice-age, and the population boom of the 1970s? No ice-age. Population has actually gone DOWN by a dangerous extent. I saw both mentioned in Barey Miller, in fact. I remember hearing how acid rain would make the finish on all cars corrode as early as 1975. And by 2000 we'd all have to live underground. This being told to me, a kid in the 5th grade. I was afraid.
Yet somehow the same people who told us the Earth would be unable to support life in the 70's, still feel that way today. I suspect money is the quarry on this hunt.
I'll admit there are temperature changes- the Earth is a dynamic system with lots of history that it changes all the time (See: the 1700s mini-ice age, for example). But to think humans are the cause of it, or have the slightest chance of changing it, is just silly.
Go to Google. Zoom in on a town, find your house. Then notice the actual SCALE of our place on this planet. Now call your local HVAC technician and tell'em you want to install an A/C for the whole planet. Just try to figure out the BTUs. Imagine changing it, if we HAD to. Terraforming is a neat idea, but actually doing it someplace is at least 100 years away.
Just relax; and remember that the Earth will never go away; it might not be like it is, but it will always be here. And so will be these predictions...
Yeah? Kinda a dangerous thing to take on faith, isn't it? I'm aware of China's involvement, several levels of cloak-and-dagger going on, but how can you be so sure? Art Bell says so?
I'm not badgering, and I'm trying not to insult at all. But I've seen a lot of Looney Tunes cartoons where the coyote holds up a dainty umbrella to stop a falling piano/safe/anvil, and that's what this sounds like, to me.
Was Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Spain, and all these others unable to purchase such an unbrella from ACME?:)
("A Company Making Everything")
There's terrorism going on in about 50 countries, OTHER than Isreal right now, ya know...Isreal's just one of the smaller dust-ups.
Actually, I'm not overlooking it...I'm counting on all that to be worked out. If George Bush sneezed near a person of color, how many nanoseconds would pass before Schumer, Kennedy, Ried and the pack would have lawyers out and indictments made? How long before the legacy media would drum this up into a racial thing?
THIS is my point; Bush isn't Nixon. Iraq isn't Vietnam. And the economy isn't the depression, but that's the viewpoint of the legacy media. I guess cheering for those that cuddle-up to tyrants and dictators is just a way of life for them.
See also: Jane Fonda sitting on anti-aircraft artillery used to shoot down our planes, Ed Asner claiming Stalin was the best leader, living or dead because "he kept such good order!". Numerous things dot the liberal landscape, and many of these tyrants still alive take up residence in France. (So, France and the left are friends)
Other cases include Pinochet, Amin, "Baby Doc", Castro, Noriega, Saddam, the No-Nukes movement (funded in part by the KGB)...the list goes on and on. Every time there's an obvious badguy, with blood on his hands, the left (and the legacy media) have to start the cozy. For these people, America is a land of awful and deadly tyrants, until a Democrat wins office and shows us how to lose a war. (FDR is the lone exception, this century/last.)
These people studied "Arbiet macht Frei"; Himmler's concept that "a lie, repeated often enough, becomes truth". They've studied from the best propagandists ever known. That's why Conservatives are all racist, bigots, homophobes, and baby killers. (And not true.)
Meanwhile Ted Kennedy was part of an all-male college organization, another senator was a member of the KKK, they put candidates up of African descent against other, so they can't win the primary, and they consider Rowe v. Wade a sacred thing. (Babykillers). Just as bad, the father of Al Gore voted against the civil rights act of 1964, which wouldn't have made it without Republican support.
I'm just so tired of the lies coming from the legacy media! The point is that this headline and all the discussion is just another dustup. Another in a long line of "this'll get them rascally-republibcans!" and then they get the BEEP-BEEP and drive into a mountainside.:)
Actually no- it can't be. FoxNews, again, tells the whole story. Those others, not only tell part of the story, they tell the story _that_benefits_the_left, and sometimes uses the exact same words on all channels!
Remember the story you heard, "We go to war with the army we have, not the army we want."? This was the tip of the iceberg, but all CNN & company pushed. They wanted it to be a smartass comment to a man in uniform, by Rumsfeld (who they hate).
A member of the legacy media goaded a soldier to ask, "Why weren't there more armored hummers?" (paraphrased) He continued on to explain about the logistics involved, the course of action already underway, and then the line you heard. Nearly two minutes of detail. I saw the original cut, and the missing pieces.
And how does this explain the New York Times, 05/22/2004 running a story complaining about how Bush was being evil by removing 500T of yellowcake uranium, and nearly 2T of enriched uranium, risking lives of the poor, downtrodden Iraquis, driving it through the streets of Baghdad. (Yeah, THAT yellowcake)
YET TO THIS DAY THE CLAIM NO WMDs. That's not FoxNews. Go see for yourself!
Watch something other than legacy media. Better yet, Limbaugh's coming on at noon, eastern. He'll play the sources, and sometimes the actual audio from these other "news services".
Well, is this anything new? I've heard tell that presidents since Nixon have used various forms of this exact same power. Clinton was no exception.
I, too, am concerned for the thinning ranks of basic rights; but this is wartime, it's a repeat of previous works, and does anyone think that with the media blinding Bush at every possible turn, he'd do something without checking first?
Same with Abu-graib; the investigations were almost a year old when the NYT (or whoever) leaked it, and demos started demanding action...on a case already a year old.
We need this like we need YET ANOTHER Halliburton investigation; there have been like 20 so far, all to no end useful to the left. I just get so tired of all this. The same reporters who chant "No WMD" have written stories where 502T of yellowcake uranium were found in Baghdad. Yeah, THAT yellowcake. (NYT archive: 5/22/2004)
Yet still, this entire thing is all Bush's fault like Katrina and the common cold. Real journalists are turning over in their graves.
Yeah, that's the way the liberal court has seen it- the times of having free speech and rules of immenent domain are gone by the wayside: there's a blackout on political (as in "free") speech 60 days from the election, and people in the THOUSANDS are getting their homes yanked to give them to people who would pay more. The rights are dropping day by day, mostly by the judges pen. It's a trend that has to stop.
More to the point...didja forget this is a war? Is it so easy to forget the scores of dead? I don't want this kinda thing going on in peacetime, but I *damned*sure* want it, now. And if the paperwork allows on terrorist to go free, I want a sniper there on the tower.
We're not dealing with nation-states and the Geneva Convention anymore- this is a very different threat. (As if anyone but us ever followed the Geneva Convention...)
Again: notice how the press mentions this, with and without the full headline, depending on your news source. Pay attention to that.
Minor point: there are no "neo-cons". It was a politial slogan that has never rung true. Conservative motivations are almost completely unchanged since at least th 70's when I learned I was one.
While we're at it, they're (as a rule) not bigots, homophobes, racists or babykillers. All those are on the other side of the aisle and currently serving terms in congress. Why could they abide a member of the KKK on their team? What's so important to them about abortions? It's not a matter of caring for women; NOW sat on their hands as Clinton abused women. It's just creepy.
Sure, this administration has been 1)Spending like drunken sailors, 2)Grown the size of the government needlesly and 3)Done no more on illegal aliens than the last 4-5, but he's a lot closer than Kerry or anyone on the other side. Bein Conservative, you're allowed to point this out to the party- it's our way.
This is what the liberals couldn't understand about the Harriet Myers appointment, so they mis-reported it.
I'm sorry; I'm not needing the rhetoric of the behind-the-scenes on this one. If someone in the USA gets a call from a terrorist, or makes a call to a terrorist (even by a wrong phone number), that's "safe to wiretap" to me, no matter who makes the decision. Let's all hope they DO.
In this case, isn't it clear that our lesser civil rights (privacy) is subject to our main one (not getting blown up)? If a cell was starting in my town, I'd want the government, at any level to at least KNOW that. In fact, I'd move-to-impeach on any member of government stopping this action.
Let's not help the terrorists by waxing poetic about the finer details when the case is so clear.
I wanted mostly to point out WHO is running WHICH headline- that'll tell you where the motivation comes from. Again.
In exactly the same way computers now speak with us in English (or our desired language), cell phones are dialed by voice, the same way we drive our flying cars.
It's just another over-used story. Sure, these things will help in the exact same way ABS brakes and airbags have, but if there's "a loose nut behind the wheel" it's still gonna cause problems.
Sorry- gotta go: the autonomous 747 to take me to Chile in under 30 minutes is here.:)
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I know most of you could give a rat's ass, but this has been planned for quite a long time. This is going to get more pervasive, not less. This is a process that started in 1948, when several changes happened: the development of the transistor, and re-establishment of Isreal being just two of'em.
"Big Brother" is coming, like it or not; it's not a hunch or an instinct, it's a scriptural fact. 2650 years ago, when a similar situation was underway with Emperor Nero, Ezikiel scrawled prophecy. (It's probably where TheAdversary got the idea)
Back then, it was thought Nero was the AntiChrist; but he had no RFIDs, no cellphones, no CCTV and no way to conduct world-wide commerce....or deny it...to people not 'flying his flag'. That's gonna happen in about 10 years or less.
It presents us with a slippery slope, where so many honest, workaday-types appreciate the benefits, and the people with the most money (places like WalMart and huge trucking firms) will save so much money they *can't* ignore it.
So nay-say all ya want, but we're on a schedule here...and there's no more changing this reality than killing Hitler when he was a corporal in WW1, to avoid WW2. Make your peace; think things through...and get used to it, 'cause it's not going back to the Bonnie & Clyde days where a duo can rob a bank on one side of town, then cross town to rob another, and be out of town before the police know about it.
"[There'll] come a day where there's no room for naughty men like us to slip about." --Malcom Reynolds, Serenity
If you think this is news, it'll shudder you to your core to know that...brace yourself...the UN is also completely bugged. Been that way since the start.
A lot of you zombies think it's some good-hearted organization for finding lost puppies, but part of the Iraq-war intel came from there. And it stretches back all the way....I suppose to the Bay of Pigs or so.
It's not new; it's just new to you...part of how the world has always worked. Don't panic.
We have stories and accounts of giant squid/etc attacking ships for centuries, guys! :)
These are fun! Whatever it is will involve 1-or-more of:
1. Certificates from Microsoft!
2. A Microsoft clearinghouse
3. Payment
4. Whatever it takes to make them the email center of the universe
5. Nothing, but it'll cost you more. (Like their annual virus promise)
I know I'm very unpopular for taking the "old man's stance" on a lot of issues- they've never taken a single article I've suggested (even though they fall into the much-disussed guidelines) and it's largely because I'm conservative, and the rest of you are young farts that DIDN'T start in computers before the Microsoft corporation.
:)
But I have to chuckle at this. "Wine" as we now call it, is the name for "rancid wine" from the times of old. The scriptures hold that "wine" (grape juice, these days) should not be held until later, when it gets "the bite like fire".
Sure Christ and pals drank lots of wine...mostly because Mountain Dew was a few years off; they drank grape juice. To drink it after it ferments was just a liquid form of temtation.
This is where you guys retort with all the powerful uses of wine and other spirits and call me a neo-con or something, but face it: a LOT of people die on the roads. A lot of people die when they stay too late, going home drunk with another man's woman. It's caused immense pain and suffering, no matter how good it might smell, or how many other adults think it's ok.
I just have to chuckle at this development; a faster way to cause that problem, now that so many other ways are clearly blocking our view of what's important.
And I'm not gonna bore you with a message you won't respond to; I'm just gonna chuckle. These are modern times, after all. You all know better than I!
I was just thinking about the favorite remote-detonation switch: the cheapy, throw-away cell phone.
There was some discussion about a no-cell zone in movie theatres, if there was one in the subways, it would make remote-detonations impossible....
Well, that is to say, everything but leave the fragile and intentionally weak operating system, that is. After all, we gotta play games, and we don't like changes, unless they come from Microsoft. :)
"Doing our damnedest"; that's very, very funny. Remember that MS is closed-source, and therefore better code: no one can see the code. So how is it the Vista-ready viruses are ready to go when the OS hasn't been released?
Quit fooling yourself. If you're still running Microsoft, it's out of laziness.
"However, just to let you know the claim that army re-enlistment is at an all time high is unfounded, a link you might trust more: Fox News on Re-enlistment- A different spin, but the same numbers."
Actually I said re-enlistment; I'm aware that the National Guard _recruitment_ is under-goal, but the others are up. People that have been there, generally want to go back.
"As for the first one (the Rove investigation)Fox take on Leak Probes-Yes, I realise they barely touch it, though they do acknowledge (near the end of the article)the widely-reported statement of the special prosecutor(Fitzgerald)that the investigation would be ongoing and focus on the office of Karl Rove."
Still a tempest-in-a-teacup unlike they sold it on the old-time media. "The Plaime case will rip open Rove (who they hate, for some reason) and reveal Bush just *wanted* the war, so he'll be impeached."
They're obviously forgetting that Saddam violated the ceasefire daily, shooting at our aircraft enforcing the no-fly zones, was making weapons outside the rules (in particular, missiles that would reach Isreal) as well as the 8 months we spent in the desert heat waiting for the UN to realize France was being paid to block Saddam's actions. And never mind old-Iraq was a home to Abu-Nidal, Abu-abas and one other high-value terrorist that made history. [Harboring terrorists]. Oh: and nations we trust providing the same intel we had: that he was working to rebuild and keep fighting, including signs of N/B/C stuff we couldn't abide.
But no, this was a war Bush just wanted to fight. Yeah.
I watched this stuff every day. I saw there was no way to avoid this, and no chance of it going away. But the same places that reported the issues, now pretend they didn't happen: they're zombies now, too. See the NYT- search 1997-2000 for stories about atrocities and such. They're all there in the archives.
"Really, man- the tactic of burying a story and then using the cry of "It's the liberal media making a big deal of nothing!!" will only work for so long. (Or not at all, in the case of those who bother to look around a little)."
I'm only using the tactic because we've been here so many times before. Remember the "totally innocent" grandparents who were listening on a [semi-legal] scanner and overheard Republican strategy? "Oh, we're gonna nail'em now!" It turned out to be a plant, all along. I'm sick of it.
"And for the record, the Dems suck bigtime, too- the only diffference being that they're not (currently) in a position to demolish the constitution as the Repubs seem to be striving to."
Well, they do NOW, and that's part of what's maddening. I, too, signed onto the idea of civil rights, women's rights, environmental issues, and such...but all the people who were pushing every one of these issues are now perverted:
- The civil rights people now tell people not to "act white" and get a good education. "Whitey owes us". Several times Jesse Jackson and the whole crew did nothing while the black senator (Vermont?) was getting Oreos and other junk thrown at him....calling him "Uncle Tom" and such...by DEMOCRATS!
How's this the Democrats serving the needs of the negro community?
- The women's rights movement now centers on how to turn little boys into little girls, or at least signifigantly damaged young men. Little girls are told how it's not only important, but fun, to file sexual harassment lawsuits for simple office-talk. How's this promote fairplay?
- The environmentalists have gone from protecting the environment to keeping us from drilling for oil, keeping the prices unnecessarily high. And when someone actually comes to install a windfarm, they sue to block it, because it mucks-up the view, and might kill a bird here or there. How's this protect the environment?
But what's more annoying is how people that no sa
I've seen this before; most of the metals with a salvage value, do so for this very reason. When it gets short, the price goes up, people find 1) other ways to not use the commodity and 2)ways to recycle more or "create" more through other means.
:)
Not to worry. Your pennies are safe.
I spent an hour marking up a long, complete set of rebuttals when I realized it's not worth it. No matter what I say, you'll split hairs, call my sources dubious, and/or call me names. If you believe in all you say and hate Bush as much as you do, there no amount of text I can put here that's going to change your mind. More sources you're used to listening to, oppose the handful that I listen to, and that's enough for you.
Let's face it, you're programmed. And when the next election doesn't turn out the way you wanted, remember this issue.
If you're only willing to listen to the legacy media, and not what's being said about_the_legacy_media, you'll never see the bias that has you all a-twitter right now. You won't listen to Limbaugh for a week, you'll say you did. You won't research my claims, you're too busy. You'll just keep the tv tuned to CNN, listen to the same sources, and one day your eyes will open.
You probably think there's no connection between NYT/CNN/NBC/CBS/etc even though they use the same words in their stories. But do me a favor: check out that link in the NYT, May 22, 2004 and see if there isn't reason to start asking questions. This isn't the first time they've claimed one thing and previously reported another.
(BTW: "*cough*bullshit*cough*" is only funny as a sight joke, not in text.)
Yeah, I was afraid of that; the first one's from Knight-Ridder, not exactly broken free of the legacy (Liberal) press, the other story is on a website so proud of their investigative credentials they're just called "Raw story". Looks like news...smells like pulp. Sorry, I'm gonna need more credibility than that; websites are funded, manned, and directed by Soros for the intent of "repeating a lie long enough to make it true".
And even the second story was true, it's old- four months now? The case has still not awakened any surprise...
Liberals never tire of playing rope-a-dope. Well, it'd BE rope-a-dope, if they weren't doing it to themselves. Maybe there's another word for it.
How many times will we have to hear how George Bush has scheduled the world's destruction, only to learn the assertion is fabricated?
Remember how:
- Rove was going to be taken down, and Bush impeached over revealing a covert CIA agent? [Who wasn't covert, and hadn't been for 6 years]
- How the Conservatives were "cracking up", by wanting to withdraw Harriet Myers, yet it was actually a strengthening of the party's convictions (See also: Sam Alito)?
- About 20 lawsuits against Halliburton, Clinton's favorite tool and the only non-French company that makes CITIES, came to nothing?
- Rush Limbaugh was going to be jailed for taking prescription drugs, but the court found there was no evidence whatsoever, and the prosecutor was trying to take a fishing expedition?
- How tax cuts would "bankrupt the country", but it's growing at the safest, strongest rate without being in a boom? [Also done by JFK, Ronald Regan, George Bush 41- NOT done by Jimmy Carter who *raised* taxes, and we were miserable.]
- How almost every democratic congress-geezer moans about low military morale, but people are re-enlisting in numbers rivaled only by the second world war?
- How "no WMDs" were in Iraq, but the New York Times reported (5/22/04) that Bush was harming the Iraqis by hauling out 500T of yellowcake uranium, and 2T of enriched uranium from the streets of Baghdad?
- How Bush "went AWOL" from his Air National Guard duties in the vietnam era, but the papers were using Microsoft's font face?
- How we're supposed to believe that people are starving from the "worst economy", but $2B is surplus in the food stamp account? [Unemployment is at ~5%, probably as low as it can get]
- How Iraq will be "another Vietnam" but after 3 years less people have died there than the DoD admits to losing, if they'd stayed home? [~1200/year normally, should be 3600, but we've only lost 2200 or so]
- How Conservatives are always railed about "tax cuts for the rich", and every time it boosts the economy? ["The rich" own companies. Ever get a job from a single mother living in the projects? There IS a connection.]
How is it that people voting Democratic can keep believing the headlines and getting excited, and it's all for nothing, over and over again?
The allegations and the headlines they generate are rarely the same; it's what's called media bias. The wiretaps were on international phone traffic involving phone numbers attributed to terrorists or terrorist-support groups. It's been done before, and by some of the people claiming it's illegal (like Al Gore). Who doesn't WANT this?
Mark my words, and remember this at the ballot box: nothing will come of this. Get off the treadmill; think for yourself, research for yourself.
Fer cryin' out loud: you're on the internet!
Well, consider this: when has scientific warning been right? Like in the case of the plagues, tidal waves, earthquakes, bird-flu (we'll see, I suppose) or any other "bad thing", there's never a warning about, and there's all kinds of warnings that are just tangentally true.
One thing I've learned is to listen to predictions like this. Look at the long history of disasters diverted by relying on the scientists- The Hindenburg, the Plagues, and th 60's hippie movement. I remember hearing about 9/11 months before on TV, and changing my schedule. I was so close to buying into the Enron thing, when Neil Cavuto changed my mind. And other warnings kept me from going to school naked...no, wait- that was a dream.
My point is, we *never* get warnings about the big stuff. And this is no exception. Remember the coming ice-age, and the population boom of the 1970s? No ice-age. Population has actually gone DOWN by a dangerous extent. I saw both mentioned in Barey Miller, in fact. I remember hearing how acid rain would make the finish on all cars corrode as early as 1975. And by 2000 we'd all have to live underground. This being told to me, a kid in the 5th grade. I was afraid.
Yet somehow the same people who told us the Earth would be unable to support life in the 70's, still feel that way today. I suspect money is the quarry on this hunt.
I'll admit there are temperature changes- the Earth is a dynamic system with lots of history that it changes all the time (See: the 1700s mini-ice age, for example). But to think humans are the cause of it, or have the slightest chance of changing it, is just silly.
Go to Google. Zoom in on a town, find your house. Then notice the actual SCALE of our place on this planet. Now call your local HVAC technician and tell'em you want to install an A/C for the whole planet. Just try to figure out the BTUs. Imagine changing it, if we HAD to. Terraforming is a neat idea, but actually doing it someplace is at least 100 years away.
Just relax; and remember that the Earth will never go away; it might not be like it is, but it will always be here. And so will be these predictions...
Yeah? Kinda a dangerous thing to take on faith, isn't it? I'm aware of China's involvement, several levels of cloak-and-dagger going on, but how can you be so sure? Art Bell says so?
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I'm not badgering, and I'm trying not to insult at all. But I've seen a lot of Looney Tunes cartoons where the coyote holds up a dainty umbrella to stop a falling piano/safe/anvil, and that's what this sounds like, to me.
Was Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Spain, and all these others unable to purchase such an unbrella from ACME?
("A Company Making Everything")
There's terrorism going on in about 50 countries, OTHER than Isreal right now, ya know...Isreal's just one of the smaller dust-ups.
Actually, I'm not overlooking it...I'm counting on all that to be worked out. If George Bush sneezed near a person of color, how many nanoseconds would pass before Schumer, Kennedy, Ried and the pack would have lawyers out and indictments made? How long before the legacy media would drum this up into a racial thing?
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THIS is my point; Bush isn't Nixon. Iraq isn't Vietnam. And the economy isn't the depression, but that's the viewpoint of the legacy media. I guess cheering for those that cuddle-up to tyrants and dictators is just a way of life for them.
See also: Jane Fonda sitting on anti-aircraft artillery used to shoot down our planes, Ed Asner claiming Stalin was the best leader, living or dead because "he kept such good order!". Numerous things dot the liberal landscape, and many of these tyrants still alive take up residence in France. (So, France and the left are friends)
Other cases include Pinochet, Amin, "Baby Doc", Castro, Noriega, Saddam, the No-Nukes movement (funded in part by the KGB)...the list goes on and on. Every time there's an obvious badguy, with blood on his hands, the left (and the legacy media) have to start the cozy. For these people, America is a land of awful and deadly tyrants, until a Democrat wins office and shows us how to lose a war. (FDR is the lone exception, this century/last.)
These people studied "Arbiet macht Frei"; Himmler's concept that "a lie, repeated often enough, becomes truth". They've studied from the best propagandists ever known. That's why Conservatives are all racist, bigots, homophobes, and baby killers. (And not true.)
Meanwhile Ted Kennedy was part of an all-male college organization, another senator was a member of the KKK, they put candidates up of African descent against other, so they can't win the primary, and they consider Rowe v. Wade a sacred thing. (Babykillers). Just as bad, the father of Al Gore voted against the civil rights act of 1964, which wouldn't have made it without Republican support.
I'm just so tired of the lies coming from the legacy media! The point is that this headline and all the discussion is just another dustup. Another in a long line of "this'll get them rascally-republibcans!" and then they get the BEEP-BEEP and drive into a mountainside.
Actually no- it can't be. FoxNews, again, tells the whole story. Those others, not only tell part of the story, they tell the story _that_benefits_the_left, and sometimes uses the exact same words on all channels!
Remember the story you heard, "We go to war with the army we have, not the army we want."? This was the tip of the iceberg, but all CNN & company pushed. They wanted it to be a smartass comment to a man in uniform, by Rumsfeld (who they hate).
A member of the legacy media goaded a soldier to ask, "Why weren't there more armored hummers?" (paraphrased) He continued on to explain about the logistics involved, the course of action already underway, and then the line you heard. Nearly two minutes of detail. I saw the original cut, and the missing pieces.
And how does this explain the New York Times, 05/22/2004 running a story complaining about how Bush was being evil by removing 500T of yellowcake uranium, and nearly 2T of enriched uranium, risking lives of the poor, downtrodden Iraquis, driving it through the streets of Baghdad. (Yeah, THAT yellowcake)
YET TO THIS DAY THE CLAIM NO WMDs. That's not FoxNews. Go see for yourself!
Watch something other than legacy media. Better yet, Limbaugh's coming on at noon, eastern. He'll play the sources, and sometimes the actual audio from these other "news services".
Catch'im on WMAL in DC:
http://abcrad.sc.llnwd.net:12025/
Or, continue to live the lie...
No terrorist threat- really? Can I quote you on this?
Good answer! I was hoping you wouldn't take it as an insult. GoodOnYa!
Maybe you *should* come over some time. Sounds like you'd be fun to debate/chat-with. Feel free to drop me a line, aye?
Well, is this anything new? I've heard tell that presidents since Nixon have used various forms of this exact same power. Clinton was no exception.
I, too, am concerned for the thinning ranks of basic rights; but this is wartime, it's a repeat of previous works, and does anyone think that with the media blinding Bush at every possible turn, he'd do something without checking first?
Same with Abu-graib; the investigations were almost a year old when the NYT (or whoever) leaked it, and demos started demanding action...on a case already a year old.
We need this like we need YET ANOTHER Halliburton investigation; there have been like 20 so far, all to no end useful to the left. I just get so tired of all this. The same reporters who chant "No WMD" have written stories where 502T of yellowcake uranium were found in Baghdad. Yeah, THAT yellowcake. (NYT archive: 5/22/2004)
Yet still, this entire thing is all Bush's fault like Katrina and the common cold. Real journalists are turning over in their graves.
Apparently the 4th amendment is a "non-issue".
Yeah, that's the way the liberal court has seen it- the times of having free speech and rules of immenent domain are gone by the wayside: there's a blackout on political (as in "free") speech 60 days from the election, and people in the THOUSANDS are getting their homes yanked to give them to people who would pay more. The rights are dropping day by day, mostly by the judges pen. It's a trend that has to stop.
More to the point...didja forget this is a war? Is it so easy to forget the scores of dead? I don't want this kinda thing going on in peacetime, but I *damned*sure* want it, now. And if the paperwork allows on terrorist to go free, I want a sniper there on the tower.
We're not dealing with nation-states and the Geneva Convention anymore- this is a very different threat. (As if anyone but us ever followed the Geneva Convention...)
Again: notice how the press mentions this, with and without the full headline, depending on your news source. Pay attention to that.
Minor point: there are no "neo-cons". It was a politial slogan that has never rung true. Conservative motivations are almost completely unchanged since at least th 70's when I learned I was one.
While we're at it, they're (as a rule) not bigots, homophobes, racists or babykillers. All those are on the other side of the aisle and currently serving terms in congress. Why could they abide a member of the KKK on their team? What's so important to them about abortions? It's not a matter of caring for women; NOW sat on their hands as Clinton abused women. It's just creepy.
Sure, this administration has been 1)Spending like drunken sailors, 2)Grown the size of the government needlesly and 3)Done no more on illegal aliens than the last 4-5, but he's a lot closer than Kerry or anyone on the other side. Bein Conservative, you're allowed to point this out to the party- it's our way.
This is what the liberals couldn't understand about the Harriet Myers appointment, so they mis-reported it.
Sorry- just wanted to set ya straight.
I'm sorry; I'm not needing the rhetoric of the behind-the-scenes on this one. If someone in the USA gets a call from a terrorist, or makes a call to a terrorist (even by a wrong phone number), that's "safe to wiretap" to me, no matter who makes the decision. Let's all hope they DO.
In this case, isn't it clear that our lesser civil rights (privacy) is subject to our main one (not getting blown up)? If a cell was starting in my town, I'd want the government, at any level to at least KNOW that. In fact, I'd move-to-impeach on any member of government stopping this action.
Let's not help the terrorists by waxing poetic about the finer details when the case is so clear.
I wanted mostly to point out WHO is running WHICH headline- that'll tell you where the motivation comes from. Again.
Dude- I need to have you over to the house sometime. I have this whole box o'hairs to split! :)
Have a great day!
In exactly the same way computers now speak with us in English (or our desired language), cell phones are dialed by voice, the same way we drive our flying cars.
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It's just another over-used story. Sure, these things will help in the exact same way ABS brakes and airbags have, but if there's "a loose nut behind the wheel" it's still gonna cause problems.
Sorry- gotta go: the autonomous 747 to take me to Chile in under 30 minutes is here.