Deps? Stick with a good modern desktop distro and you'll have no problems with deps. Ditto package managers. Pick a distro that uses the one you like.
Too many distros? WTF? Just pick one! You are not obligated to care about multiple distros.
What do you care about how people choose to spend their coding time and skills? So what if there are a lot of choices for this and that? Pick one that you like!
Linux is a rather complete powerhouse. Perhaps that is what is bothering you - if you want power, you're going to have to know what you're doing.
Anger is a strange emotion to bring to it. Why not just use Windows or Mac? Life is too short to be angry about Linux...
"It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something."
Took forever, pressure to upgrade, invariably broke something. Nice totalizing language, troll. You don't have to upgrade, and if you choose to, just do an in-place upgrade. In going from Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty this has worked flawlessly for me.
"It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd."
More classic troll language. First of all, I don't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after Vista - when trolling, it's always good to start out with a strawman argument. Second, "linux" doesn't release something every couple of months - there is no "linux", only distros. E.g., Ubuntu has a very well-defined 6-month cycle, with continual updates along the way, automatically. It's really more of a rolling release. Pick one that works the way you like.
Then, of course, we get the old "when Linux does the same thing that MS does, nobody complains" whine, along with the obligatory parting shot... "Odd". The release cycles and policies of Linux distros are nothing like the MS approach.
For a start, your Ubuntu (or whatever distro) upgrades are free.
However, if you want, you are free to fork out $100+ every 3 years to MS for their latest and greatest Windows, as they decide they need another pulse of revenue. And don't forget to upgrade your virus protection, etc. It's a different approach entirely.
Yes, selling people stuff they don't need, because they don't know any better. Nothing wrong with that! It is fundamentally dishonest. It is deceit. Our system is (was) based on it. No more.
... suck more than Microsoft? I don't get it. Whenever there is a choice, they do the evil fucked up thing. What the hell is wrong with them? Do they have a death wish or something?
I guess that my experience just doesn't match what I read about Vista, and I attribute it to a) my not having tried it at all until after SP1 came out, and b) having adequate hardware when I did. It just works for me, that's all.
That said, I deplore Microsoft's corporate ways, and don't "like" them at all. I agree with whoever it was that wrote above - when they get rid of Ballmer, I will reconsider my attitude about MS. I think Ballmer is a grotesque simpleton, and the sooner they lose him and learn some subtlety, the better off they'll be.
I had an emergency last Summer where I had to buy a new computer right away. Went down to Staples and got a Compaq Presario with Vista Home Premium SP1 on it. I have not had a single issue or complaint with it. It's fast, it's usable, it runs all the software that I need to run, and the ol' Aero Glass look has kind of grown on me. This is a 2 GHz Pentium dual core with 2 GB RAM, integrated Intel graphics. Not top of the line - cost me $350.
I have no doubt that people who purchased Vista when it first came out, and tried running it on unsupported or lower end hardware, had a real shitty experience. But I kind of like it on my rig.
I have also extensively played around with the Windows 7 Beta, and while I like some things about it, I honestly think I prefer Vista.
I spend about equal amounts of time in Vista and Ubuntu Intrepid (dual boot). They both run great on this machine. I think a lot of detractors don't even try this stuff out. I have read some posts about Vista and Intrepid that really make me wonder...
"Geo-engineering" implies that the would-be engineer has a clue about what they're doing. This is more like geo-let's-see-what-happens.
We would rather put up clouds of sulfate aerosols (acid rain anyone?) or giant sunshades in orbit or any of these hare-brained schemes than work on ways to power down the carbon release.
It is madness, it is hubris in the extreme. We have no idea of the complete consequences - it is NOT a simple engineering equation. And who gets to decide?
I sure hope none of these grand delusional schemes ever get anywhere.
In VT and NH (and presumably other states on the border with Canada), there are occasional signs on the Interstate Highways with distances in km interspersed with signs in miles.
And everyone hailed Apple for moving on to a new platform, even when it broke compatibility. And bitched about MS for not ditching backward-compatibility. It's just a bunch of blather - people love to spew. Hell, I do from time to time:-) Apple, MS, whatever - they're just a bunch of corporations doing their thing. It's just computers. Go with what you like.
Look, my primary platform is Linux (I'm posting this from Linux right now). All I said was that Vista is just Windows, for better or worse. It works as well as any Windows on my el-cheapo machine. I wasn't urging anyone to go out and purchase it for their legacy machine. No one is fleeing anywhere. And what the hell are you referring to wrt "double-standards"?
Man, the knees are jerking tonight. You need to grow some perspective.
Frankly, you can bite me. How is MY attitude any kind of a problem? In fact, what is the problem?
I simply reported that I bought a PC with Vista on it, and it works fine. It was a bottom of the line Compaq Presario, cost me $350 at Staples. I needed a computer that day, and there it was.
I'm not talking about early adopters who tried to install it on old equipment, etc., and ran into difficulties. I'm simply reporting my experience.
Why should someone with working hardware worry about it at all? I wasn't pushing anyone to upgrade - just saying that it works fine on the el-cheapo mainstream rig that I bought.
Your attitude is over the top knee-jerk polemic. Look, I've been using computers since my 1977 Commodore PET, and I've heard it all. I remember when Microsoft's only real product was a ripoff BASIC interpreter for CP/M. I do not have tons o' love for MS. I was just reporting my experience.
I don't get it, either. My experience is similar to yours - it's just the new Windows. It works fine, fast, stable, etc. That said, I mostly boot into Intrepid, but Vista is just not a problem on my middle-of-the-road rig.
I was forced to buy a new computer this summer in a hurry, and all I could get was Vista SP1. Maybe it's just that SP1 took care of the big issues that you hear about, I don't know. But it works just fine, quite responsive, stable as hell, and I haven't had a single problem with it. I turned off all the Aero crap because I just didn't care for it, not because it was a performance issue.
Mostly I'm in Ubuntu Intrepid anyway, but Vista is just the new Windows as far as I can tell - no worse than any of 'em. When I hear some of the stuff people say about Vista, I wonder what they're talking about, because it doesn't match my experience at all.
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A man without religion is like a fish without a bicycle.
What else do you expect from a corporation that considers its customers "the enemy"?
The trolls are out in force today.
Deps? Stick with a good modern desktop distro and you'll have no problems with deps. Ditto package managers. Pick a distro that uses the one you like.
Too many distros? WTF? Just pick one! You are not obligated to care about multiple distros.
What do you care about how people choose to spend their coding time and skills? So what if there are a lot of choices for this and that? Pick one that you like!
Linux is a rather complete powerhouse. Perhaps that is what is bothering you - if you want power, you're going to have to know what you're doing.
Anger is a strange emotion to bring to it. Why not just use Windows or Mac? Life is too short to be angry about Linux...
"It took me forever to get it running just the way I wanted and by then a new version was out and I had the pressure to upgrade..and of course..I had to set up everything again since invariably, it broke something."
Took forever, pressure to upgrade, invariably broke something. Nice totalizing language, troll. You don't have to upgrade, and if you choose to, just do an in-place upgrade. In going from Hardy to Intrepid to Jaunty this has worked flawlessly for me.
"It's funny how many people here bitched that windows was coming out with Win 7 so soon after vista, but they don't mind that linux seems to release something every couple months depending on the distro. Odd."
More classic troll language. First of all, I don't recall many people bitching about Win7 coming out so soon after Vista - when trolling, it's always good to start out with a strawman argument. Second, "linux" doesn't release something every couple of months - there is no "linux", only distros. E.g., Ubuntu has a very well-defined 6-month cycle, with continual updates along the way, automatically. It's really more of a rolling release. Pick one that works the way you like.
Then, of course, we get the old "when Linux does the same thing that MS does, nobody complains" whine, along with the obligatory parting shot... "Odd". The release cycles and policies of Linux distros are nothing like the MS approach.
For a start, your Ubuntu (or whatever distro) upgrades are free.
However, if you want, you are free to fork out $100+ every 3 years to MS for their latest and greatest Windows, as they decide they need another pulse of revenue. And don't forget to upgrade your virus protection, etc. It's a different approach entirely.
"We looked at the Alan Shepards, Louis Armstrongs, and Buzz Aldrins as supermen. They were our Sanjaya back then."
Yes, ol' Louis Armstrong was the man. He could blow a mean trumpet, and his version of "Hello Dolly" is still the gold standard.
But I think perhaps you meant Neil Armstrong...
"Thank you, 1960s leftists, for promoting the Me Generation and thus ushering the downfall of American society."
I think you meant to say:
Thank you, 1980s rightwing Reaganites, for promoting greed and selfishness as the ultimate values, thus ushering the downfall of American society.
Yes, selling people stuff they don't need, because they don't know any better. Nothing wrong with that! It is fundamentally dishonest. It is deceit. Our system is (was) based on it. No more.
I for one welcome our new Danish META-overlords.
Oh man, you are in DEEP trouble with the Federation boys...
... suck more than Microsoft? I don't get it. Whenever there is a choice, they do the evil fucked up thing. What the hell is wrong with them? Do they have a death wish or something?
Why make a deal out of this?
Assholes.
Driving in NH is already pretty nice, but would be much better if we could get rid of all the Massholes.
I think you meant kloud komputing.
I don't believe that. How about a reference?
??? Why do you blame the FAA? The loss of fun is due to the major DE-regulation of the airlines decades ago.
I guess that my experience just doesn't match what I read about Vista, and I attribute it to a) my not having tried it at all until after SP1 came out, and b) having adequate hardware when I did. It just works for me, that's all.
That said, I deplore Microsoft's corporate ways, and don't "like" them at all. I agree with whoever it was that wrote above - when they get rid of Ballmer, I will reconsider my attitude about MS. I think Ballmer is a grotesque simpleton, and the sooner they lose him and learn some subtlety, the better off they'll be.
I had an emergency last Summer where I had to buy a new computer right away. Went down to Staples and got a Compaq Presario with Vista Home Premium SP1 on it. I have not had a single issue or complaint with it. It's fast, it's usable, it runs all the software that I need to run, and the ol' Aero Glass look has kind of grown on me. This is a 2 GHz Pentium dual core with 2 GB RAM, integrated Intel graphics. Not top of the line - cost me $350.
I have no doubt that people who purchased Vista when it first came out, and tried running it on unsupported or lower end hardware, had a real shitty experience. But I kind of like it on my rig.
I have also extensively played around with the Windows 7 Beta, and while I like some things about it, I honestly think I prefer Vista.
I spend about equal amounts of time in Vista and Ubuntu Intrepid (dual boot). They both run great on this machine. I think a lot of detractors don't even try this stuff out. I have read some posts about Vista and Intrepid that really make me wonder...
Yes, just because it works for you, screw that! If the pundits say mean things about it, you're obviously mistaken. It sucks!
"Geo-engineering" implies that the would-be engineer has a clue about what they're doing. This is more like geo-let's-see-what-happens.
We would rather put up clouds of sulfate aerosols (acid rain anyone?) or giant sunshades in orbit or any of these hare-brained schemes than work on ways to power down the carbon release.
It is madness, it is hubris in the extreme. We have no idea of the complete consequences - it is NOT a simple engineering equation. And who gets to decide?
I sure hope none of these grand delusional schemes ever get anywhere.
"This really shows the power of capitalism in this time of government failing."
It is capitalism that is failing.
In VT and NH (and presumably other states on the border with Canada), there are occasional signs on the Interstate Highways with distances in km interspersed with signs in miles.
And everyone hailed Apple for moving on to a new platform, even when it broke compatibility. And bitched about MS for not ditching backward-compatibility. It's just a bunch of blather - people love to spew. Hell, I do from time to time :-) Apple, MS, whatever - they're just a bunch of corporations doing their thing. It's just computers. Go with what you like.
Look, my primary platform is Linux (I'm posting this from Linux right now). All I said was that Vista is just Windows, for better or worse. It works as well as any Windows on my el-cheapo machine. I wasn't urging anyone to go out and purchase it for their legacy machine. No one is fleeing anywhere. And what the hell are you referring to wrt "double-standards"?
Man, the knees are jerking tonight. You need to grow some perspective.
"Well frankly YOUR attitude is the problem."
Frankly, you can bite me. How is MY attitude any kind of a problem? In fact, what is the problem?
I simply reported that I bought a PC with Vista on it, and it works fine. It was a bottom of the line Compaq Presario, cost me $350 at Staples. I needed a computer that day, and there it was.
I'm not talking about early adopters who tried to install it on old equipment, etc., and ran into difficulties. I'm simply reporting my experience.
Why should someone with working hardware worry about it at all? I wasn't pushing anyone to upgrade - just saying that it works fine on the el-cheapo mainstream rig that I bought.
Your attitude is over the top knee-jerk polemic. Look, I've been using computers since my 1977 Commodore PET, and I've heard it all. I remember when Microsoft's only real product was a ripoff BASIC interpreter for CP/M. I do not have tons o' love for MS. I was just reporting my experience.
So lighten up.
I don't get it, either. My experience is similar to yours - it's just the new Windows. It works fine, fast, stable, etc. That said, I mostly boot into Intrepid, but Vista is just not a problem on my middle-of-the-road rig.
Whatever - I guess people love to hate!
... there, I said it!
I was forced to buy a new computer this summer in a hurry, and all I could get was Vista SP1. Maybe it's just that SP1 took care of the big issues that you hear about, I don't know. But it works just fine, quite responsive, stable as hell, and I haven't had a single problem with it. I turned off all the Aero crap because I just didn't care for it, not because it was a performance issue.
Mostly I'm in Ubuntu Intrepid anyway, but Vista is just the new Windows as far as I can tell - no worse than any of 'em. When I hear some of the stuff people say about Vista, I wonder what they're talking about, because it doesn't match my experience at all.