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Shuttleworth Announces Karmic Koala

An anonymous reader writes to mention that Mark Shuttleworth has announced the next release in the horribly alliterative Ubuntu family, "Karmic Koala." The new version hopes to include a newer, shinier, faster startup, better small screen support, a spruced-up desktop look (no more brown), and many minor tweaks and updates. "A newborn Koala spends about six months in the family before it heads off into the wild alone. Sounds about perfect for an Ubuntu release plan! I'm looking forward to seeing many of you in Barcelona, and before that, at a Jaunty release party. Till then, cheers."

305 comments

  1. Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Like we need another brand of kola on the market.

    1. Re:Another one! by VeNoM0619 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Better yet, they passed up the chance of a snappy name like Karmic Khameleon Imagine the new colors they could bring to their new desktop scheme...

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    2. Re:Another one! by TheCycoONE · · Score: 2, Funny

      I hear that Koala's on the other hand are much less over-marketed

    3. Re:Another one! by smooth+wombat · · Score: 1

      Imagine the new colors they could bring to their new desktop scheme...

      Such as plaid?

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    4. Re:Another one! by von_rick · · Score: 5, Funny

      The ratings were pretty high for Kinky Klingons, but seems like they were cast aside for being less exotic.

      I have a tendency to make things up

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    5. Re:Another one! by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just wonder if the next will be Leaping Lizard.

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    6. Re:Another one! by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 5, Funny

      They tried, but it had a bad effect on reliability. The system would come and go, would come and go-oo-oo...

    7. Re:Another one! by trigggl · · Score: 1

      I can already see the lawsuits from Novell coming.

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    8. Re:Another one! by iced_773 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      kola...isn't that a KDE program? Then again, shouldn't this whole release be KDE-only? I mean, it's all K's...

    9. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They totally should have gone with Kinetic Kodiak! Rawr!

    10. Re:Another one! by Thelasko · · Score: 5, Funny

      The system would come and go, would come and go-oo-oo...

      On behalf of the entire Slashdot community, I thank you for getting one of the worst songs ever written stuck in everyone's head.

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    11. Re:Another one! by Hognoxious · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We are honoured to witness the birth of the "verbal rickroll".

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    12. Re:Another one! by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If it's so bad, why do you know it so well?

    13. Re:Another one! by iamhigh · · Score: 5, Funny

      Awww crap. Kubuntu Karmic Koala. That won't be good for business.

      Can't believe the /. trolls haven't picked up on that one yet.

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    14. Re:Another one! by tenco · · Score: 1

      I would have gone for Kingly Kiwi. But I think I am out of the competition since for me Debian has become an option again.

    15. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I predict a large number of downloads of Kubuntu Karmic Koala from the southern part of the US...

    16. Re:Another one! by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 1

      Sometimes people play music that you don't want to listen to, they aren't willing to turn it off or down, and assault would net you some jailtime.

    17. Re:Another one! by Zabu · · Score: 1

      Or the oh so sultry Kinky Kudu
      Better yet the intimdating Killer Koi

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    18. Re:Another one! by genner · · Score: 1

      I would have gone for Kingly Kiwi. But I think I am out of the competition since for me Debian has become an option again.

      The guy next to me just called it Killer Kiwi, I will now take credit for his idea.

    19. Re:Another one! by Zosma · · Score: 1

      Sigh. That should've been KDE Kameleon.

      1. Kubuntu users would be drunk for years after they'd hear the news.
      2. It's not quite a SuSE lizard. SuSE won't SuE you.
      3. Colours mentioned by parent poster. Or contact Philips for Ambilight possibilities...

      I still wonder what happens after they reach Z.
      They either realise using the Windows' way of naming drives/devices was a bad thing and discontinue Ubuntu; nicknaming the last release as 'Dodgy Dodo'.
      Or they start naming them after bacteria. Absymal Abiotrophia could be the one...

    20. Re:Another one! by pushing-robot · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ah, that explains the "no more brown" bit.

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    21. Re:Another one! by Thelasko · · Score: 1

      If it's so bad, why do you know it so well?

      I once worked at a radio station. Unfortunately, that song was in the rotation, along with "Wake Me Up Before You Go Go." The rest of programming was actually pretty good.

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    22. Re:Another one! by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      Killer Kudzu, cause it'll gorw on ya...

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    23. Re:Another one! by jaavaaguru · · Score: 2, Funny

      Koala's whats?

    24. Re:Another one! by spartacus_prime · · Score: 1

      Wait till you imagine hearing it in Professor Farnsworth's voice...

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    25. Re:Another one! by moosesocks · · Score: 1

      So we've switched to fluorescent blue, with lots of identical-looking blue icons?

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    26. Re:Another one! by MoOsEb0y · · Score: 1

      How about Leprous Lemur?

    27. Re:Another one! by aurispector · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When they get to "P" it damn well better be "Platypus".

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    28. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Kinda Kinks would have been fun.

    29. Re:Another one! by glittalogik · · Score: 1
    30. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just wonder if the next will be Leaping Lizard.

      Limey Lobsterbacks

    31. Re:Another one! by gbarules2999 · · Score: 1

      Two themes available: Fisher-Price or "I've been sprayed with Crisco" black. Take your pick.

    32. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus the new desktop colour scheme they used looked terrible - red, gold and green. red, gold and gre-ee-eenn...

    33. Re:Another one! by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Hey! I'm from, er, some country that has those as its flag, you insensitive clod!

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    34. Re:Another one! by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      You've never had to listen to music you don't like?

      Can I have your tin shack when you're done with your manifesto?

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    35. Re:Another one! by mcubed · · Score: 1

      Just because a song is catchy, doesn't necessarily mean it's good.

      Don't get me wrong, I like "Karma Chameleon" (there, I said it!) ... but I can think of other songs that got stuck in my head that I never liked. Excuse me, I'm now going to bang my head against the wall for a while to try not to think of them...

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    36. Re:Another one! by retchdog · · Score: 2, Funny

      By then, the tin roof may have ... rusted!

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    37. Re:Another one! by Valdrax · · Score: 2, Funny

      That's okay. I just need something set way back in the middle of a field. Just a funky old shack.

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    38. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, with the internet coming from a tin foil-ridden roof antenna, it would take far too long, so they stick with Windows 3.1, and we must support it.

    39. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Personally, I was hoping for something along the lines of "Kinky Kangaroo"...

    40. Re:Another one! by wisty · · Score: 1

      Kangaroo, Kudu, Kookaburra, Kiwi, Killer whale, Komodo dragon, Krill, and Kite were other options.

      Kind, Kooky, Keen, Knightly, and Kiddish could have been the adjective.

      But my vote would have been with Kick-ass Kronosaurus, or Kinky Kitten.

    41. Re:Another one! by NotmyNick · · Score: 1

      I still think they missed the boat on Jumping Jehosaphat.

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    42. Re:Another one! by sagematt · · Score: 1

      Imagine the new colors they could bring to their new desktop scheme...

      Like these?

    43. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hrm. So maybe that new default 'Forrest' theme isn't a misspelling after all...

    44. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or: Leaping Linus
      Lamentful Linus
      Laughing Lunatic
      Laundry List (of bugs to fix)
      Lambasted Llama
      Limpy Lumber
      Leaky Lizard
      Lowered Libido
      Lipstick Lesbian
      Liberal Librarian
      Loopy Lumberjack
      Lurking Lobbyist (M$)
      Lactating Legislator

      to name a few.

    45. Re:Another one! by freeweed · · Score: 1

      Because "what's good" does not often equal "what's popular".

      I can't believe I actually have to point this out, but someone else apparently agreed and modded you, so...

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    46. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Speaking of gay anthems, both these songs are masterpieces compared to "Last Christmas"...

    47. Re:Another one! by n1hilist · · Score: 1

      My wife suggested Luscious Labia for the one after, but I think it might break their naming convention.

    48. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      9.04.....

    49. Re:Another one! by ppanon · · Score: 1

      I gave up hope on that sort of thing when they passed up on Horny Human.

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    50. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Awww crap. Kubuntu Karmic Koala. That won't be good for business.

      Can't believe the /. trolls haven't picked up on that one yet.

      Imagine working on a project for some time, not wise enough to make backups of your work and the damn thing crashing. What would you say then?
      "The KKK took my baby away..."

    51. Re:Another one! by ringbarer · · Score: 0, Funny

      Yes.

      At least Linux users have a chance of seeing a real Koala.

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    52. Re:Another one! by awrowe · · Score: 1

      Then of course we have that jewel of bad nineties music, "Achy Breaky Heart". Try getting that stuck in your head for a day.

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    53. Re:Another one! by NewsLeech · · Score: 1

      I'm hoping for Languid Lemur. Or, better yet, Lascivious Lemur.

    54. Re:Another one! by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

      kola...isn't that a KDE program? Then again, shouldn't this whole release be KDE-only? I mean, it's all K's...

      I long for the day that Canonical take KDE seriously. As I understand it, they only have a handful of people working on the KDE packages, and it really shows. For example, even if you install from the Kubuntu CD, GNOME gets installed as well, and Firefox's file associations are all to GNOME apps.

      The transition from KDE 3 to KDE 4 has also been horrible - I kind of regret upgrading my work PC to Intrepid.

      It's almost enough to make me try OpenSuSE... or switch to GNOME. But not quite ;)

    55. Re:Another one! by rtb61 · · Score: 1

      The previous versions of kubuntu were pretty good and it is just that the latest version of KDE got released a bit too early and the latest version of gnome is really quite good. There is a definite shift from Kubuntu to Ubuntu and Canonical are simply shifting their development efforts to match current user preference. The forums at Canonicals are an important part of the development process and that make adapt the efforts pretty rapidly to changes of preference community. So simply try out the latest version of Ubuntu and see how you go.

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    56. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The transition to KDE4 has been so bad that after 4 years using only KDE, I ditched it for Gnome.

      There are a bunch of stuff I don't like in Gnome, but there are two things I can't stand with KDE4:
      - how broken it is;
      - the foam-at-the-mouth fanboys attacking anyone who criticizes it

    57. Re:Another one! by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      Hehehe. A proper LOL from me. Thank you.

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    58. Re:Another one! by CaptSaltyJack · · Score: 1

      You's guys' don't wanna knows!

    59. Re:Another one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Murphy's Law.

  2. Cool by pak9rabid · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've always been fascinated how the Debian (and derivatives) releases have functioned. Each branch is like a chamber in a revolver; as it reaches 'stable', it aligns itself with the barrel ready to be fired off to the masses.

    1. Re:Cool by contra_mundi · · Score: 5, Funny

      This needs a car analogy for us non-gun folk.

    2. Re:Cool by corsec67 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I've always been fascinated how the Debian (and derivatives) releases have functioned. Each branch is like a car in a merge ramp; as it reaches 'stable', it speeds up and aligns itself with the other cars on the road ready to be released on the information superhighway.

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    3. Re:Cool by von_rick · · Score: 4, Funny

      This needs a sticks and stone analogy for us stone age folks ;-)

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    4. Re:Cool by tyroneking · · Score: 1

      I've always been fascinated how the Debian (and derivatives) releases have functioned. Each branch is like a snake in a box in the storage area of a plane; as it reaches 'stable', it escapes from the box and kills people on the plane.

      (And then I assume some agent of the FBI/ATF/CIA/NSA/KFC kills the snake and is the reluctant hero).

    5. Re:Cool by CarpetShark · · Score: 1

      I've always been fascinated how the Debian (and derivatives) releases have functioned. Each branch is like a chamber in a revolver; as it reaches 'stable', it aligns itself with the barrel ready to be fired off to the masses.

      Indeed. Also, apt-get is like a giant inflatable bouncy castle for starfish that swing into port, get wasted, screw our women, and then abandon them as they're lured away again by the call of the sea.

      Seriously, I know what you meant, and agree. But the flowery language only obscured your point :)

    6. Re:Cool by V!NCENT · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ubuntu is like a massive rock; as it reaches 'stable' it starts rolling down the hill and as the giant rock becomes fasty-fasty it will go BOOOM breaky the barrier made of sticks.

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    7. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dude you can make barriers out of sticks? That's genius!

    8. Re:Cool by Propaganda13 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm lost with the guns, cars, and stones. Could someone make a software analogy?

    9. Re:Cool by digitig · · Score: 1, Funny

      Ubuntu is like a [noun phrase 1]. Each [noun phrase 2] is like a [noun phrase 3]; as it [verb phrase 1], it [verb phrase 2] ready to [verb phrase 3].

      There, that should suit everyone.

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    10. Re:Cool by PitaBred · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's like a Windows beta, except it eventually starts working right.

    11. Re:Cool by Nushio · · Score: 1

      So this would be Service Pack 2?

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    12. Re:Cool by dmbasso · · Score: 4, Funny

      Also another exception: if it screws you somehow, it's not on intent.

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    13. Re:Cool by MadMidnightBomber · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Debian unstable is like a Windows RTM, except it's more stable.

      PS. Don't mod this funny like you did last time, it's fucking true.

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    14. Re:Cool by genner · · Score: 1

      Your analogy sucks and makes no sense. How about something involving a car?

      I'ts like putting too much air in a balloon.
      It's all so simple.

    15. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm finding the software analogy to general...could someone put this in terms of Linux distributions?

    16. Re:Cool by Arancaytar · · Score: 1

      ready to be fired off to the masses

      ... so if you use Ubuntu, you support amok shooters? :P

    17. Re:Cool by badpazzword · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu is just like Ubuntu.

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    18. Re:Cool by MarkRose · · Score: 1

      None this makes any sense to us jocks. Can you explain it using a sports analogy?

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    19. Re:Cool by minvaren · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Everything is different, but the same... things are more moderner than before... bigger, and yet smaller... it's computers... San Dimas High School football rules!

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    20. Re:Cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Except in Soviet Russia.

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    21. Re:Cool by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I've always been fascinated how the Debian (and derivatives) releases have functioned.

      The solution is to use Gentoo, you'll forget all about such philosophical questions as you get totally sidetracked wondering how long it'll take to compile.

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    22. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Except when you comment out random number generation seeding.

    23. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ha Ha Ha! Hahaha!

    24. Re:Cool by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't use Windows. Could someone phrase this for a Debian user?

    25. Re:Cool by zx-15 · · Score: 1

      And that's why it is funny.

    26. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ubuntu is like a massive rock; as it reaches 'stable' it starts rolling down the hill and as the giant rock becomes fasty-fasty it will go BOOOM breaky the barrier made of sticks.

      a massive stable rock would not roll.
      worst analogy ever

    27. Re:Cool by jjohn_h · · Score: 1

      >>> It's like a Windows beta, except it eventually starts working right.

      Correct, but why do we have to wait 3-4 months every time? The hard truth is that two significantly different releases a year cannot be achieved. The common sense consequence is to have one release every year and a maintenance package 6 months later.

      Shuttleworth has relied on the fans sofar and fans need to ravel about the next version the day the current version is out. Get over it, Mark, prove that Ubuntu has asserted itself. No need for gimmicks.

    28. Re:Cool by Sparx139 · · Score: 1

      This would best apply to the rolling rock release

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    29. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Debian is somehow like Debian.

    30. Re:Cool by HansieC · · Score: 2, Funny

      You just had your release. I'm afraid you'll have to wait another 15 years for the next one.

    31. Re:Cool by npsimons · · Score: 1

      "eventually starts" working right? Buddy, in my experience, Debian is rock fucking stable and works damn near perfectly out of the box, day one. That's why it takes them so long to do releases. That's just one of the (many) reasons I have the sig I do. Ubuntu is only slightly less good in this respect, and that's mostly because they are relying on binary closed source drivers to support the latest hardware.

    32. Re:Cool by Spacelem · · Score: 1

      Yes, if you're still using a 486. Use any decent modern processor and it will compile pretty quickly: on my Core2 Duo, Gentoo just flies. I've never used Arch Linux, but I've heard it described as Gentoo without the compiling, so maybe you should try that instead.

      I gave up on Gentoo though, because I couldn't be arsed with all the configuration any more (and got a whole set of different problems :P, but that's just life).

    33. Re:Cool by ciderVisor · · Score: 1

      Longcat is long

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    34. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This entire tree of posts has just made me lol so f-ing hard.

    35. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Each branch is like a chamber in a revolver; as it reaches 'stable', it aligns itself with the barrel ready to be fired off to the masses.

    36. Re:Cool by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's like a Debian, except it eventually starts working right.

  3. No more Brown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If it's brown, drink it down. If it's black, send it back.

  4. Awwww... by g_adams27 · · Score: 1

    I was hoping for Kwicky. :-(

    1. Re:Awwww... by DrMrLordX · · Score: 1

      Ugh! I hated that show. Never have I wanted to see a Koala die a painful death more than I did after watching this wretched mess on the USA Cartoon Express. Of course, I did watch it, so it's my own damn fault for subjecting myself to the pain and agony brought on by Kwicky Koala.

      And to think Tex Avery died for this garbage.

    2. Re:Awwww... by andrewd18 · · Score: 1

      I am also hoping for a Kwicky. Oh, wait...

    3. Re:Awwww... by ianare · · Score: 1

      Yeah me too. I hate it when they want candle lit dinners, walks under the moonlight, and cuddling.

  5. Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Am I the only one who likes the brown color scheme?

    I find that it's easy on the eyes without being outright drab, but maybe that's just me.

    1. Re:Really, is it that bad? by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      I've got 6 Ubuntu systems at home, I have to change the themes or I can't remember what system I'm on all the time. Yes, there are other ways, but I find changing the theme/background etc. makes it easiest to remember which system I'm dealing with. I do this at work too. Using a custom background is most useful, though I vary themes by general function of the system.

    2. Re:Really, is it that bad? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Am I the only one who likes the brown color scheme?

      Yes.

      I find that it's easy on the eyes without being outright drab, but maybe that's just me.

      Look up drab in the dictionary, and you'll find a screenshot of an Ubuntu desktop running the Human theme. ;)

      Seriously, I love Ubuntu. My license plate says "UBUNTU". (Really). But the brown color scheme sucks. The only brown color scheme I've ever liked at all is the one from the original and GTK2 versions of the 'Gorilla' theme from Ximian Gnome. The one from the Ubuntu Human theme is putrid.

      One of the first things I do when I install a new Ubuntu system is to change the default theme to 'Clearlooks', which is the same GTK2 engine, but has a nice blue eggshell color scheme, vaguely reminiscent of Windows XP, but not as blatant as the eXPerience theme.

    3. Re:Really, is it that bad? by DrLang21 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I quite enjoy the brown color scheme. It looks clean and professional while being easy on the eyes.

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    4. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Aphoxema · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I've got sick on blue from Windows and OS X, Ubuntu's theme was liberating when I first set eyes on in and until the Darkroom theme came along I never really felt the need to change it.

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    5. Re:Really, is it that bad? by iYk6 · · Score: 1, Funny

      Am I the only one who likes the brown color scheme?

      No. There are a few dozen of you people, including Mark Shuttleworth. It's got mostly brown, but some yellows and reds too, so I call it the "failing kidney" theme. One of the screenshots for a recent version I saw even had a skid mark in the bottom right corner.

    6. Re:Really, is it that bad? by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      But the brown color scheme sucks.

      Oddly I was just thinking about this last night. Men tend to like colors at the blue end of the spectrum. Women like the red end of the spectrum. The orange/brown scheme for ubuntu may be more attractive for much of the general population, while mostly male geeks dislike it.

      For me, I just select a different theme and put on my own background image. Most of us have a few thousand of those sitting around these days.

    7. Re:Really, is it that bad? by berend+botje · · Score: 1

      No, you're not.

      Try a default blue Gnome theme, it really hurts the eyes. I can't stand to use it.

      The latest Ubuntu's have a less orangy brown that is even better than it used to be.

      So if Shuttleworth changes the colorscheme, fine, but I really hope someone keeps the brown one alive.

    8. Re:Really, is it that bad? by migla · · Score: 1

      And Ubuntu is the shit. Seriously, though... With garnering so much talk about their shitty theme, when they get rid of the brown, it will be all the rage all over the internet and presto - The year of the Linux desktop will have arrived and usher in a bright new future where John Lennon's imagine is not a just a dream any more.

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    9. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Why not just set your command prompt to display the hostname?

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    10. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who likes the brown color scheme?

      Nope - I like it too, although I never would have thought I would before. As another poster said, it is surprisingly comfortable. Also, it goes well with this Penny Arcade wallpaper.

    11. Re:Really, is it that bad? by MrNiceguy_KS · · Score: 1

      No, you're not. I also really like the default color scheme, including the coffee stain/cave painting wallpaper that defaults on Intrepid Ibex. (I really didn't care for the Heron background, though.)

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    12. Re:Really, is it that bad? by kc2keo · · Score: 1

      I for one like the brown color scheme.

    13. Re:Really, is it that bad? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Men tend to like colors at the blue end of the spectrum. Women like the red end of the spectrum.

      Comes from social programming. We dress baby boys in blue and baby girls in pink. No big surprises there.

    14. Re:Really, is it that bad? by zip_000 · · Score: 1

      I love the brown theme. I switched to KDE for a while last year and one of the first things I did was set it up to look like the standard gnome/ubuntu theme.

    15. Re:Really, is it that bad? by QuantumRiff · · Score: 1

      Got to ask.. Do you live in WI? Saw a car (think it was a VW) with those plates heading in to Madison on my daily commute..

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    16. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Ironica · · Score: 1

      So we learn to love the colors our parents dress us in when we're babies?

      Actually, my oldest seemed to prefer red when he was a baby, and my younger son prefers blue... but I think that if that's at all due to environment, it's probably because of the pjs I was wearing after they were born. ;-)

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    17. Re:Really, is it that bad? by zappepcs · · Score: 1

      I do, but am not always in the shell, so the background/theme remind me vividly. Some years ago, I removed a directory tree from the wrong Solaris system, and have modified the command prompt ever since. I do not yet know the command line for everything that I do know in the GUI. Between Solaris, CentOS, Fedora, OpenSolaris, Ubuntu, Puppy, DSL, Vista, and now NetBSD it is difficult to keep everything in my head all the time. Just the 'find' command is enough to fill your brainbox for an afternoon, never mind grep, fgrep, egrep etc. Services? Network commands? my head asplodes... Add shell scripts, PERL and soon Python, HTML, other scripting, C, javascript, and on and on... can't keep it all in my head so I use the GUI more than I should. Background differences have saved me making a bad mistake often enough. Imagine servers with names like absdb1 and absdm1 and absms1 all in the same group. It can be confusing. BTW I despise the fuck that names those servers... gah!

      I would have named them along the lines of Ford, Chevy, Dodge, Jimmy, GTO, Ferrari etc. but nobody asked me.. noooooo

    18. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      No you are not Even my mother always ask me who draw the beautyfull wallpaper on my ubuntu 8.10 box.

    19. Re:Really, is it that bad? by argux · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I often wonder why is it that everybody hates the brown color scheme. Actually that's one of the things that makes me feel right at home when I have just installed an Ubuntu system. That and the drums. It kinda makes you forget that you're looking at a Gnome desktop. Of course, then you get to use it and immediately start searching for a replacement desktop. But those first five minutes are really nice.

      Actually I would have preferred it if Kubuntu had picked up a similar color scheme, or at least to have an option for a Human theme.

      Now that they're going to replace it, I hope it remains an option for those of us who love it.

    20. Re:Really, is it that bad? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

      I think it's great.

      When I installed 7.04 I smiled and never booted into anything else.

      I did eventually switch to the Wombat Blue theme ( http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Wombat+Blue?content=70900 ), but mostly because I felt the need for an "Always on Top" button.

      I actually changed a couple of the buttons even to make them look different when toggled to on (just inverted color on the .png files).

      I just recently switched to KD 4.2 because it appears to use about 100MB less RAM, 150 if I use konqorer instead of Firefox, but I think the default Human theme is fantastic.

      I can't wait for the KDE people to try to make their stuff work as smooth as the screen shots look.

      Every time I try to assign a custom icon I stair at a window full of static for a solid second or 2, they need to just draw some white in there first.

      Also my screen flashes white before the dashboard appears (maybe Nvidia's fault?).

      I find so often I try to do something, and it works, often with decent speed, but it jars me ion the process.

      I really with the dashboard would come up as quickly as OSX's though, since a lot of the widgets are quite great. And if the Amarok 2 team does decide to integrate with the desktop, it will be particularly cool.

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    21. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Jamie's+Nightmare · · Score: 1

      Seriously, I love Ubuntu. My license plate says "UBUNTU".

      I once knew a guy with a Red Hat bumper sticker that got his windows smashed twice. I can't imagine what they must (or should) do to your ride, ha ha ha.

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    22. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Am I the only one who likes the brown color scheme?

      I find that it's easy on the eyes without being outright drab, but maybe that's just me.

      definitely NOT...fortunately should they change i t will still be easy to change to what we like

    23. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like if for about 2-3 months, then it starts getting a bit, I dunno, boring. But then i wait another 3-4 months, and there's a slightly different theme in the next release, and the cycle repeats

    24. Re:Really, is it that bad? by enHatt · · Score: 1

      Try the Ubuntu Studio theme. It's a really nice theme, even though there is room for improvement in color choices for text boxes/buttons in Firefox for example. But I've kept the default background. It's relaxing and stylish.

    25. Re:Really, is it that bad? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      No, we learn to love the colors our parents surround us with. Think about it: people paint their nursery blue when their having a boy, they paint their son's bedrooms blue and their daughter's bedrooms pink, etc. It's not just what our parents dress us in, but yeah, it's entirely environmental. Think about what colors they always saw as babies and then you'll see that we gravitate towards what we're familiar with.

    26. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Abreu · · Score: 1

      I also like the brown Ubuntu thing...

      Ubuntu Netbook Remix + Darkroom theme = happy netbook

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    27. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      Knackers to that. My bedroom was yellow, partly because in those days you didn't know whether a baby had a hole or a pole until it popped out.

      And I hate yellow. Not right keen on orange either.

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    28. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Xolotl · · Score: 1

      Try the Ubuntu Studio theme

      It's nice enough, I like the window borders but I have found, trying various themes over the years, that I don't get along with dark grey or black GUI window/menu/dialog box backgrounds. I'm not sure why: text terminals I have always had white text on black - but somehow light buttons and icons on dark don't work for me, I prefer dark on light.

    29. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Erikderzweite · · Score: 1

      I always thought that "Human" theme is a fork of "Gorilla" theme.

    30. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's just you.

    31. Re:Really, is it that bad? by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      I like it too.
      I think that bashing Ubuntu's look became a meme. Like "does it run linux?" "jokes".

    32. Re:Really, is it that bad? by zippthorne · · Score: 1

      It's because every coffee shop, up scale sandwich shop, and even some grocery chains are picking orange/brown palettes, so it feels disgustingly trendy, and there aren't any other palettes to choose from unless you roll your own.

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    33. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Laurence0 · · Score: 1

      Mmmm, we've got a mix of Windows and Linux servers at work. The Linux ones are all accessed by ssh, so the prompt is enough to tell you which one you're on at a glance, but the Windows ones are both controlled by gooey. They're named after Garfield characters, so Garfield has an orange wallpaper and Odie has a yellowish one, so you can tell at a glance which one you're on. I guess if we get stuck with any more, Nermal will have a grey wallpaper, Arlene pink and Pookie brown. Then we'll start to struggle.

    34. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Spacelem · · Score: 1

      I just stole the Gentoo bash prompt, as it is really attractive. Put this into your .bashrc, (or your /etc/bash.bashrc and replace any references to PS1 in your /etc/skel directory if you want all users to have this, possibly more tweaking required depending on your setup).

      if [[ ${EUID} == 0 ]] ; then
          PS1='\[\033[01;31m\]\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] '
      else
          PS1='\[\033[01;32m\]\u@\h\[\033[01;34m\] \W \$\[\033[00m\] '
      fi

      It gives a nice green username @ blue host, and gives you a red host if you become root.

    35. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Notegg+Nornoggin · · Score: 0

      Brown is the color of dirt, mud, shit, cockroaches, and many other pleasant things.

      We need a -1 rascist mod.

    36. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Risen888 · · Score: 1

      You are certainly not. I'm a big fan. I dig the whole "earth tones" thing, and I think it gives the Ubuntu desktop a very distinctive look. You know right away when you're sitting down at an Ubuntu desktop as opposed to any other Gnome desktop. Which is, I think, the intent.

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    37. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need a permanent -infinity idiot mod for the professionally offended like you, twinklesphincter.

    38. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well yes it IS bad!

      Only followers of goatse and tubgirl really appreciate it!

      Warning.
      Disturbing content follows!

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      Partularly in the Eastern United States.
       

    39. Re:Really, is it that bad? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Nope. Florida. If you crawl the Ubuntu forums long enough, you'll see my plate. ;)

    40. Re:Really, is it that bad? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Nope. Originally Clearlooks (Breezy Badger), but somewhere around Dapper they changed it to Glossy, which is, itself, a fork of Clearlooks.

    41. Re:Really, is it that bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hate the "light" brown of the current versions, but I saw dark brown version the other day that looked very cool.

      Still, I kind of like blue or black. Sorry. Personal preference.

  6. And just like a koala by wiredog · · Score: 5, Funny

    It only looks cute and cuddly. Actually try to cuddle a koala and it'll bite you, claw you, and shit on you.

    Or so I've heard...

    1. Re:And just like a koala by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...it'll bite you, claw you, and shit on you.

      Still better than biting and tearing your face and hands off.

    2. Re:And just like a koala by ianare · · Score: 5, Funny

      So a bit like some children then ?

    3. Re:And just like a koala by Hillgiant · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So a bit like some children then ?

      Some? You are obviously not a parent.

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    4. Re:And just like a koala by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I had a girlfriend like that once...

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    5. Re:And just like a koala by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Or their mothers?

    6. Re:And just like a koala by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been on a few back-stage tours of zoos and Koalas were the only animal the zookeepers let me hold. They really are cuddly! Except for the concentrated eucalyptus smell.

      Obligatory on-topic comment: Looking Forward to Leaping Lemur!

    7. Re:And just like a koala by davesays · · Score: 0

      I was wondering how they were going to get away with naming it, 9.10 Steve Ballmer doesn't really fit the scheme...

    8. Re:And just like a koala by dangitman · · Score: 1

      Actually try to cuddle a koala and it'll bite you, claw you, and shit on you.

      Yeah, Karma's a bitch, ain't it?

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    9. Re:And just like a koala by bh_doc · · Score: 1

      Thank your lucky stars you've never met a drop bear.

    10. Re:And just like a koala by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Best guess: Lively Lemur. Fits in better with the existing adjectives.

      My money's on Lemur or Llama, rather than lion, lobster, leopard, lark, or ladybug. They prefer the more exotic stuff.

  7. Damn by Alarindris · · Score: 3, Funny

    I was hoping for King Krimson.

    1. Re:Damn by rbanffy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Krusty Krab

    2. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are a very bad man, I hate you.

    3. Re:Damn by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2, Funny

      But then Plankton would keep trying to pirate it!

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    4. Re:Damn by gammoth · · Score: 1

      B'BOOM !!

    5. Re:Damn by Daimanta · · Score: 2, Funny

      Plundering Plankton?

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    6. Re:Damn by shentino · · Score: 1

      Which is just fine...it's open source anyway.

    7. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What about King Kong?

  8. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by bluefoxlucid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I actually thought this was a joke when I first read it. Especially with the cloud computing bullshit.

  9. Re:semicolons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a professional writer, and I'm here to tell you that the semicolons are optional. In fact, our style guide at work counsels against using them in such cases in favour of bullets.

    Of couse, we're also obliged to use US spelling, but I'm off the clock, so fuck that noise, mate. :)

  10. Front page news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...they're finally getting a new theme?

    Seriously, of all the things to mention in the summary, you focus on the not-brown?

    There's a page long rant about cloud computing, about the eucalyptus project, and why the release is named koala. And you mention that, like every release, there's talk of it possibly not being brown?

    1. Re:Front page news by linhares · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...they're finally getting a new theme? Seriously, of all the things to mention in the summary, you focus on the not-brown? There's a page long rant about cloud computing, about the eucalyptus project, and why the release is named koala. And you mention that, like every release, there's talk of it possibly not being brown?

      You must be new to ubuntu.

    2. Re:Front page news by dangitman · · Score: 1

      You must be new to ubuntu.

      Isn't everybody?

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  11. why not Kreami Kracker ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    aawww..

  12. The name koala means 'no drink' and it rarely does by tyroneking · · Score: 1

    I'm just going to leave this info there and walk away

  13. What are you speaking of ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I confess that not knowing who mark shutlleworth may be, I do not understand what you wanted to announce.

    1. Re:What are you speaking of ? by DrLang21 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Maybe if you had read TFA... oh wait... my bad.

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    2. Re:What are you speaking of ? by roaddemon · · Score: 1

      They updated the summary. My cached (igoogle) summary doesn't include the word Ubuntu: "An anonymous reader writes to mention that Mark Shuttleworth has announced the next release in their horrible alliterative family, 'Karmic Koala'."

      Adding Ubuntu "their horrible alliterative Ubuntu family" made it more clear.

    3. Re:What are you speaking of ? by Arthur+Grumbine · · Score: 1

      I confess that not knowing who mark shutlleworth may be, I do not understand what you wanted to announce.

      I think you're on the wrong site. Here's where you probably wanted to go: Unfortunately even they have Linux-related articles every now and then.

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      Now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure everything I just said is completely wrong.
  14. Golden Denis 3000+ (Golden man Denis 3000) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    How about the RAM/disk footprint? I'd like to know if it's getting leaner.

  15. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by Aphoxema · · Score: 1

    I was a bit frustrated at that too, of all the people to use buzzwords he's the last one I want running around exclaiming them.

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  16. Killing Kangaroo by trigggl · · Score: 1

    Kill the Koala. Get a real name. Get this distro hopping.

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    1. Re:Killing Kangaroo by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      The real name is 9.10. Slashdot is the most depressing when a new Ubuntu release is being announced. It's all about the color brown and names, like in fucking kindergarten. "Oooh it's the color of shit, hahahahahaaa". Yeah, and the color of chocolate, the soil we live off, etc.

      All the while there are exciting technical news in the announcements, but discussion about that is drowned by the morons. Fuck off, seriously.

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    2. Re:Killing Kangaroo by PybusJ · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The real name is 9.10. Slashdot is the most depressing when a new Ubuntu release is being announced. It's all about the color brown and names, like in fucking kindergarten.

      Ubuntu do rather ask for it by making their codenames so prominent (a habit inherited from Debian) and by talking so much about the colour themselves (Mark even mentioned it again in the announcement).

      Personally, I'm rather excited to see Eucalyptus given this level of support by a major distro; it's a project I've been interested by recently and full support in Ubuntu would be great for setting up internal 'clouds'.

      I also rather like the brown theme. I don't really like the cool-blue tones of most desktop environments and appreciate the warmth of Ubuntu themes. Not that it makes a huge amount of difference anyway, the whole of my monitor is covered with terminal windows and web pages.

    3. Re:Killing Kangaroo by Knuckles · · Score: 1

      I agree about the names, I'd appreciate if they let it be. Nevertheless, that's no reason for 90% of each /. discussion being about the name.

      Regarding brown I dunno, why would it be weird for the distro announcement to mention UI changes. And again, whatever the case there, the /. reaction is just ... sad.

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  17. The problem with eucalyptus ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ... is that it scatters its seeds by explosion, into the remains of a forest fire (which it promotes via its extremely flammable sap and the tinder pile of leaves and shed bark it creates around itself - apparently "in the hope of" getting the fire started B-) ). A row of eucalyptus trees during a fire can become the equivalent of a walking artillery barrage targeting a fuel dump.

    So I certainly wouldn't want to compute on a eucalyptus cluster - even if it is a "cloud" floating far away (like over the Berkeley Hills - high enough to be visible from I5 north of Sacramento). I'd worry about it taking out the data center and my data with it and "distributing" it up to the tropopause and onward with the prevailing wind.

    As for my laptop, no WAY I'll install any eucalyptus package on that. It's got enough problem with those lithium batteries with the energy density of a hand grenade without adding something more with the energy density of napalm.

    = = = =

    And I thought Ubuntu had an unfortunate choice of names. Good grief!

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    1. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes I had the thought that we should be using eucalyptus oil as biofuel. There certainly is a lot of the stuff around.

    2. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by Psychotria · · Score: 1

      ... is that it scatters its seeds by explosion, into the remains of a forest fire (which it promotes via its extremely flammable sap and the tinder pile of leaves and shed bark it creates around itself - apparently "in the hope of" getting the fire started B-) ). A row of eucalyptus trees during a fire can become the equivalent of a walking artillery barrage targeting a fuel dump.

      I am certainly no expert on the diverse genus Eucalyptus, but I do believe that the majority of Eucalyptus seed is not 'held' in the capsules (gum nuts) waiting for a fire. I think also that some clarification is needed: as far as I know, with an intense enough fire whole portions (e.g. branches, trunks etc) explode -- not just the capsules. This also (as well as the things you mentioned) aids in propagating the fire (during the 'explosion' embers and burning material can be propelled a significant distance).

    3. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by Anthony_Cargile · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...apparently "in the hope of" getting the fire started B-) ).

      My friend, I believe you may have just unveiled the best solution to a known problem that I have ever seen.

    4. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by highways · · Score: 1

      Eucalyptus also like dropping branches without warning and for no apparent reason.

      For those of us who can actually spend a weekend away from the computer and go camping, it's a good idea not to setup near one...

    5. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 1

      Why was this not modded 'funny'? Some people might think he's actually posting a criticism of Ubuntu, instead of making fun of their naming choice.

    6. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      Why was this not modded 'funny'? Some people might think he's actually posting a criticism of Ubuntu, instead of making fun of their naming choice.

      Actually I was making fun of the quote of the Ubuntu project's own posting making fun of its own naming scheme. B-)

      The trouble with doing nerd deadpan humor (even when you add a map-territory confusion between project names and the things they're named after) is that it is often taken seriously. However, in this case it looks like the supporting stuff about eucalyptus trees attracted the moderators' attention more than the joke.

      Oh, well. Trying for "funny" and getting "interesting" seems to be my personal slashdot curse. B-)

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    7. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 1

      ... with an intense enough fire whole portions (e.g. branches, trunks etc) explode -- not just the capsules.

      Sorry I wasn't clear. Yes: The the sap boils, causing the tree to explode, scattering the seeds as shrapnel into the fire-cleared surroundings. Much easier than getting a koala or a bird to tote 'em.

      But fires are still not all that common. So (unlike fire climax pines) the tree only packages some of its seeds for ballistic distribution and fire survival.

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    8. Re:The problem with eucalyptus ... by Psychotria · · Score: 1

      Sorry I wasn't clear. Yes: The the sap boils, causing the tree to explode, scattering the seeds as shrapnel into the fire-cleared surroundings. Much easier than getting a koala or a bird to tote 'em.

      Yeah, I was pretty sure that that's what you meant; was just making sure. Thanks for the reply.

      On a related note I do know that most (not all) species of Banksia do hold onto their seeds until the temperature rises enough that the follicle splits, releasing the seed. This ensures that the seeds are released during (or shortly after) a fire and are ready to germinate in the 'new' (modified/burnt) environment. Obviously Banksia are not the only plants with this adaptation, but it's a well known example.

  18. Next fall's Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Will be named Masturbating Monkey

    1. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the one for Spring (10.04) will be "Lumbering Lemur".
      Are you sure about Monkey or will it be Macabre Macaque? Or maybe even Massive Mollusk?
      Could it be Marginal Manticore?
      I personally think it could be the Maudlin Magpie.

    2. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and the one after that:
      Orgasmic Orangutan

      (Sorry I couldn't help myself!)

    3. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not sure about the monkey. But Linus Trovalds was upset at some group and called them masturbating monkeys.

    4. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... must be some new alphabet where o comes right after m.

      *shrug*

    5. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm... must be some new alphabet where o comes right after m.

      *shrug*

      It's the same one where M comes right after K.

    6. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      I thought "Bouncing Bonobo" had already covered that base.

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    7. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just wait for wanking walrus.

      Hmm. I wonder if i'm seeing a pattern here..

    8. Re:Next fall's Ubuntu by Kesch · · Score: 1

      I'm most looking forward to N. Naughty Nymph all the way! With a name like that, 2011 will surely be the Year of the Linux Desktop.

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  19. It will definitely include... by Epsillon · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...DropBear as the default SSH. Should have been called "Killer Koala."

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  20. Should Karma Really Be Invoked? by russlar · · Score: 1

    Karma might dictate that, with this release, Ubuntu adoption reaches a critical mass, and the first (legitimate) wave of Ubuntu-oriented virii are released into the wild.

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  21. Koala's are lazy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Koala spends sleeping 75% of its time. Just after sunset koalas move around and can often be heard "barking" aggressively at other koalas." - they sleep 75% of the time, I don't know how to translate to computer terms but barking is certainly cool... looks like I know what the start up sound for ubuntu 9.10 will be :D

    1. Re:Koala's are lazy. by doti · · Score: 1

      Koala spends sleeping 75% of its time.

      So does any operating system.
      Just watch `top` and see.

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    2. Re:Koala's are lazy. by Locke2005 · · Score: 1

      No, the OS spends 75% in Idle... unlike most slashdot readers.

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    3. Re:Koala's are lazy. by doti · · Score: 1

      The CPU gets idle, processes sleeps.

      From the top manpage:

                          The status of the task which can be one of:
                                'D' = uninterruptible sleep
                                'R' = running
                                'S' = sleeping
                                'T' = traced or stopped
                                'Z' = zombie

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  22. So much for that bet by SIR_Taco · · Score: 1

    Damn it!
    I had 1000:1 odds on "Kinky Kangaroo"

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  23. I'll believe the updated look when I see it by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 1

    Shuttleworth has been promising big overhauls to the default look since Dapper Drake. There have been incremental improvements but on the whole the basic theme really hasn't changed.

    While it doesn't matter to me because I'm literate enough in GNOME to install new themes, I would love to see the Ubuntu folks actually follow through on their promises to really do a nice theme.

    1. Re:I'll believe the updated look when I see it by Teun · · Score: 1
      Why would he, for the performance oriented the terminal is as black as ever and those that want a nice desktop use Kubuntu.

      Joking aside I really find the standard wallpapers for Ubuntu quite smart, while retaining the warm earthy feel they have a nice artistic depiction of the version's animal.

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    2. Re:I'll believe the updated look when I see it by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 1

      I'm getting a bit sick of the orange. They've exhausted that color like they have brown. I just hope that if anything does change beyond switching out GTK engines they pick a sensible color, something exactly unlike, say, cherry red or hot pink or vomit green. Which all make about as much sense as brown and orange.

  24. Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's 2009. Over twenty years since the original Macintosh was released. Twenty years since the fundamentals of UI element spacing, text rendering, text kerning, verticle and horizontal text alignment, colour usage...

    And the latest Ubuntu, the 'gold standard' for Linux desktops, is a complete mess:

    * Text kerning problems all over the place

    * Alignment problems in almost every single text field or label

    * Almost random colour choice for UI elements

    * UI elements having no consistent alignment or spacing

    * UI elements that look like they come from some amateur 1990s Mac/Windows clone

    Honestly, the toy apps I throw together in Interface Builder look like polished commercial grade software compared to almost everything I see in Linux. I can only assume that there is no standard Linux UI building tool equal to Interface Builder.

    Microsoft is on the ropes with Vista and frantically rushing Win7 out the door. Cheap netbooks are doing major damage to the OS profit margins.

    And Linux continues to be a UI train wreck. Silly names. Stupid package management with insane dependencies. Redundant and competing desktops. License wars. Mass duplication of common apps with each version sucking in their own unique ways and no single app every getting to the point of being a drop in replacement for commercial Mac/Windows versions.

    Even something as trivial as the damn Solitaire app looks like a complete piece of shit.

    Boggle.

    1. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by MediaStreams · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The text alignment and kerning problems are something I really can't understand. Every time I do my yearly 'let's give Linux a try again' it is depressing to see the same horrible font choices, text that is never properly aligned in text boxes, and kerning problems.

      It's like trying to put out a newspaper or magazine that doesn't have any real professional page layout people working on it. It is so jarring to read that it really doesn't matter what the actual content is.

    2. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Please, file bugs with specific examples. You are probably right: the people of that particular profession are not on the dev team and the devs that are working on Ubuntu probably don't even _know_ what they are doing wrong. Better yet, file it at Redhat or Novell, where the cashflow to hire the right people exists (Canonical won't do it).

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    3. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is mostly nonsense.

      Some of these issues are real some of the time, but nearly all of your post just sounds like you're complaining that things aren't exactly the same as what you're used to.

      The latest Ubuntu works beautifully for anyone who actually wants to get stuff done rather than complaining that the "open file" dialog doesn't automatically grow when you change your font size preference or whatever.

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    4. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I like Ubuntu better than Windows

      Then stop spreading the same boring anti-Linux nonsense.

      but for God's sake do we need 15 apps that do all the same thing?

      Not your call, not my call, not anyone's call. Programmers are free to work on what they're interested in doing. Distributions tend to pick sane defaults, and there's no need to complain about having other options.

      Can we please get rid of the nag message if you try to login as root?

      Who cares? If you're really an expert and know better, turn the message off.

      Linux has no chance on the desktop until the basic UI gets professionally done.

      You'll keep complaining about it until... get this... you choose to stop.

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    5. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by inflex · · Score: 1

      > Linux has no chance on the desktop until the basic UI gets professionally done.

      I hear this a lot in varying degrees, it is false. If "no chance" means that my family, extended family and their friends have moved to Ubuntu from XP by choice after seeing someone else with it, then I think "no chance" is doing well. There's a lot of glitches and things yet to be worked out, there always is and you cannot control the degree of professionalism with a lot of apps any more than you can with Windows apps ( and Windows, for as god awful as it is seems to be technically, is doing very well on the desktop - until they fix up their kernel it has no chance on the desktop ).

      I'll change your quote to "no chance on my desktop".

    6. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Radhruin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've noticed a lot (A LOT) of problems along these lines, and it really gets to me (I suspect that the metrics for a lot of the fonts that are distributed with Ubuntu are completely off)... but how do I categorize and report the bug in such a way that it's useful? Take a screencap of a website that uses a specific font that looks terrible? Is that a bug in Firefox, Cairo, the font itself, Ubuntu, or what?

    7. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by dotancohen · · Score: 4, Informative

      If you file it in Launchpad, then the devs will assign it to the proper component. Definitely include a screenshot. Is the problem only in websites? Link to the bug here and I'll triage it (I use Kubuntu, though, but I can install an Ubuntu virtual machine).

      The Ubuntu bug tracker is great for iffy bugs because the competency level of Ubuntu users is assumed to be rather low. However, sometimes (and I hope that this won't be the case with this bug) the devs cry "opinion" and don't work on the bug. But the whole fonts thing is well enough known that they may appreciate the input from someone who does know a bit on the subject.

      Thanks!

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    8. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh yeah? Well the random shit I poop with Poop Interface Shitter 3000 are a trillion times better than anything Chuck Norris has ever built.

        Every single letter in the "ugh-buntu" interface makes me puke, specially the g, k and q make me defecate puke. And don't get me started with the dots on the i, its been 600 hundred years since the invention of the press and that fucker of Stallman can't make a letter i that doesn't make fill my eyes with sharp objects.

        The world is so much inferior to me it is practically bribing me to hate it.

    9. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

      Alignment problems in almost every single text field or label

      Ah, but many of Ubuntu's userspace utilities are written in Python.
      Hence the developers are so used to 'spacing fascism' that, for them, a misaligned UI looks normal. :)

    10. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

      Meh. Don't bother. When I first tried Ubuntu 8.04, I believe it was, I found many jarring UI problems, and reported all of them. They were marked in the end as 'not a problem' or whatever. I don't even remember anymore what the classification was, but it was clear the developer marking them hadn't even read the full description. On one or two there was a request for more information, which was nonsensical in the context. This is how an Ubuntu developer closes many bugs in a day, I suppose. Very productive...

    11. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Luke+has+no+name · · Score: 1

      It's funny, the fonts are one thing I think Linux visually handles better than Windows. I do believe the appearance of apps themselves look bland, and that the supposed fragmentation that allows anyone to make their own version of something is part of the reason why we have so many shitty kinda-good applications.

      Package naming conventions aren't bad in Ubuntu, and apt-get isn't a TERRIBLE package manager, though transaction handling could be better.

      In other words, you're partially right. Srsly tho, you're with a fucking Linux loving userbase, and you talk about how it's a piece of shit? Intentional trolling.

    12. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Steve? Is that you?

    13. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Almahtar · · Score: 1

      Almost random colour choice for UI elements

      UI elements that look like they come from some amateur 1990s Mac/Windows clone

      Well I don't know about a lot of the other stuff you mentioned because apparently it doesn't matter enough to me to be important, but I'll say this - Linux desktops are, to date, the only ones I can successfully use a dark theme on all the time. I really like dark themes because they're much easier on my eyes and increase the length of my work day, and especially for coding they're great - your syntax highlighting works wonders on a black background vs. a white one for visual recognition.

      In windows and OSX (haven't used Mac before OSX) there were always dialogs or UI elements that didn't understand that borders between elements, fonts, etc shouldn't be black. The few (but not non-existent) people that cared about such things apparently aren't enough to warrant commercial developers' time, but were enough to fix it themselves and submit a patch when they ran into the issue. There are countless third party apps that don't respect system themes (either in whole or in places), a decent number of first party apps that don't, and sometimes the theming engine itself doesn't give you the control necessary to make a dark theme. To be fair I haven't tried this stuff with Vista, but if you want to talk about bad UI well... that's the reason I haven't tried Vista. Just their file selection dialog gives me instant ADD and makes me lose the clarity and focus I have on every other OS, including earlier versions of Windows.

      As far as amateur UI elements - it really depends what desktop environments you use and what theme you apply. I'd agree most of the default themes aren't too hot, but that's why you can switch themes. I remember using the Windows machines at a lab back in 2005 and every day when I came home to my (well themed) *nix machine I thought "You know... that really is beautiful".

      Now I've noticed some text and fonts not behaving well in KDE (and none of the others), but other than that none of your critiques have ever so much as come to my attention so they must not be all that major to everyone.

    14. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Laz10 · · Score: 1

      After 5 years of Ubuntu, I finally dropped it as my primary system after I got a new computer. I just couldn't deal with all the work involved in getting it to look just halfway acceptable.

      The default fonts are just -- yikes! I couldn't even read the websites. I looks like the size difference between font point sizes are too big, so where the headers are not too big, the normal text font will be too small - or the other way around. Also, capital letters seems to be too tall.
      - And I just hate to brown. Good thing they will fix that!

      Yes, you can tweak everything, but it is just so hard to tweak it balanced. If you tweak one end it seems like you will just get a problem somewhere else.

    15. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by viridari · · Score: 3, Informative

      Bugs filed with Ubuntu are routinely ignored. There is a huge drive for forward movement, new features, but almost no emphasis on cleaning up the myriad bugs. Why should I waste my time reporting bugs if Canonical isn't putting resources into resolving them?

    16. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      Can you post the bug numbers? Or just give me the username and I'll go through your bugs. Thanks.

      I know what you mean about the devs just closing bugs, but I'm learning to deal with them. Let's see if we can't fix this.

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    17. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by dotancohen · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's why I mentioned Novell and Redhat as two places to file bugs will they will be solved, and not ignored. If you can cite specific examples, I will happily help get the bugs filed at the right places.

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    18. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by ais523 · · Score: 1

      I've learnt the trick of filing bugs with Debian instead, where they're applicable (i.e. not something Ubuntu-specific). Debian devs tend to be more responsive to bug reports, and the changes will make their way into Ubuntu from there. On the other hand, if it's an Ubuntu-specific problem (and it often is), this won't help.

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    19. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Spacelem · · Score: 1

      Linux has no chance on the desktop until the basic UI gets professionally done.

      Linux has been on my desktop for around 6 years now. And that a significant number of my friends. And my parents.

      I think you're mistaken.

    20. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Qbertino · · Score: 1

      Be glad you weren't using Linux back in 2001. Font rendering on Linux UIs has come a long way since then. Allthough it's no where near perfect, that's true.

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    21. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've not seen "horrible font choices" since 8 years ago. I also haven't ran Gnome in ages. So why not try KDE for a change?

    22. Re:Meanwhile Linux Continues To Be A Trainwreck by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thats a load of crap. We're putting all the damn resources we can towards fixing bugs.

      This is one of the biggest 'issues' with being such a popular distro - we're swamped. We're trying our very best and are currently scaling to meet the need. But we're swamped.

      Fuck. Give us a break for once.

  25. pity we can't have Rural Juror. by obarthelemy · · Score: 1

    and... rich 50 is middle-class 38 !

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  26. And the release after that one shall be called... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    9.10 - The Capable Cock

  27. Will people shy away from Kubuntu Karmic Koala? by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

    Or might it just be called K3?

    1. Re:Will people shy away from Kubuntu Karmic Koala? by Culture20 · · Score: 1

      And if a re-release is required to fix a critical issue, will it be called K3B, causing utter confusion?

    2. Re:Will people shy away from Kubuntu Karmic Koala? by pushing-robot · · Score: 1

      Nah, no one will think they're racist as long as they have that brown desktop.

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  28. Another year, another cute name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As with most things cute, they are cute for about 5 seconds. Then they get annoying.

  29. When they get around to the P's... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...they it's gotta be the Purring Pussy.

    It's just gotta be that one, or I'll be sorely disappointed.

    1. Re:When they get around to the P's... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      pussy sores? yikes

  30. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    What _is_ nice to see is the focus on computers with limited screen space. I suppose that this will only apply to the Gnome based Ubuntu, as Kubuntu is stuck with KDE, which is "not interested" in having optional windows configurations that fit on "vertically challenged" screens:
    https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=169043

    Even the Mozilla apps have this option, and it is one of the reasons that I use Thunderbird and Firefox over the otherwise terrific Kmail and the getting-there Konqueror.

    Or maybe I should give Gnome another try.

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  31. After ZZ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what the one after Zealous Zebra will be.

    1. Re:After ZZ by Valdrax · · Score: 1

      The operating system formerly known as Ubuntu?

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    2. Re:After ZZ by grantek · · Score: 1

      The Aamazing Aardvark.

  32. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by AvitarX · · Score: 1

    That's wierd,

    I saw an early lecture by a Nokia employee (it was just after the Troll Tech purchase). It was about the awesomeness and ease of use of plasma.

    He touted it being usable everywhere as a major selling point for plasma, and KDE4's approach in general.

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  33. Wait.... by crhylove · · Score: 1

    They're really ditching the brown?!?!? Can I announce year of desktop Linux yet?!?

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  34. I can hardly wait by Thaelon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Now we only have to wait through the 'L' release until they can finally use "Masturbating Monkey".

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    1. Re:I can hardly wait by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Masturbating Monkey is sure to be a let-down after all the fun of Leprotic Lemur.

      Personally, I'm holding out for Vapid Vole.

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  35. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

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  36. What next? by Locke2005 · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I say they let Little Orphan Annie name the next release... "Leapin' Lizards!"

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  37. "the horribly alliterative Ubuntu family" by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shouldn't that read "the appallingly alliterative Ubuntu family"?

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    1. Re:"the horribly alliterative Ubuntu family" by Spacejock · · Score: 1

      I was thinking awfully alliterative, but yes - definitely an opportunity missed.

    2. Re:"the horribly alliterative Ubuntu family" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Perhaps. Although it's actually assonant.

  38. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by sgage · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think you meant kloud komputing.

  39. What's wrong with brown? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Seriously. I left the default desktop background for a month or so after I did a fresh install of 8.10. At least half a dozen people in my office said something to the effect of 'That's a cool background!'.

    Sure the coffee-stained leather looking thing gets a bit old after a while but it is definitely not any worse than rolling green hills with blue skies and multicolored windows!

  40. U!untu by smoker2 · · Score: 0

    As a long time linux user, I'm pretty much fed up with Ubuntu. Every twat who uses it thinks they invented linux, and it gets more coverage than Princess Di. It's only a distro, not a religion. All mouth and no trousers...

    1. Re:U!untu by sammyF70 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You should consider changing the pack of twats you hang around with, or just be happy they actually use it, and educate them gently.
      Or you might want to hang around with Apple evangelists and get frustrated by their belief that Apple invented The Mouse, or with MS evangelists who think Ballmer was the first one to practice chair-throwing as an alternative form of stress relief.

      The ones I can't stand are those linux users who look down at Ubuntu because it is actually easy to use and offers the advantages of a linux based OS to the technically challenged masses, on the ground that they were "Here First". Just because you used to code by punching holes in paper cards doesn't make you any wiser. It just means you're old.

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    2. Re:U!untu by onefriedrice · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I think the only Linux users who are irked by Ubuntu's popularity are probably younger people who think they're 133t by using something more difficult. Those of us who are "old" (is 23 old?) are more likely to be uninterested in Ubuntu only because we already know our own distros and the workings of a Unix system in general. Most of us oldies are too chill to waste time talking down Ubuntu. Look to your own peers for irrational Ubuntu-bashing.

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    3. Re:U!untu by penguinchris · · Score: 1

      I agree with one thing the other replier said - I disregard Ubuntu simply because I used other distros first, and found one that works the way I like (openSUSE), and don't like some of the decisions that the Ubuntu devs have made regarding Ubuntu's use. As you say, it really doesn't seem to be intended for more technically inclined users, so it shouldn't be surprising that those users - who probably do use other distros and aren't really familiar with Ubuntu - dislike Ubuntu and actively deride it for pandering to the masses.

      I think part of the problem is that in order to obtain the success it has, Ubuntu has had to change the way some things are done in Linux/Unix. Sometimes these are improvements, but sometimes they aren't, and even if they are the 'hard-core' linux users won't like them if it makes things more like Windows or OS X.

      It is the same thing with KDE vs. Gnome. Gnome and Ubuntu follow the same philosophies (and the devs are probably close-knit) and their goal is to please the masses, which means making compromises and limitations not acceptable to the aforementioned technically inclined users who like to have things their own way.

    4. Re:U!untu by dangitman · · Score: 1

      All mouth and no trousers...

      So, it isn't pants, then? I'm confused.

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    5. Re:U!untu by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      Oh, I dunno. Get old enough and you start to want things to "just work". Which is something that Ubuntu gets mostly right for the desktop. Still some rough edges, but 8.04 was pretty nice.

      Which is one of the things I ultimately didn't like about Gentoo. When you had a problem, first you had to figure out if it was due to bad USE flags, or whether it was a problem with the upstream package. Which made for a lot of fun fiddling, but it got tedious after a while.

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  41. Multiple display support!? by Facegarden · · Score: 2, Interesting

    So... when will I be able to use multiple displays without having two separate X sessions? You can't drag things between sessions so that approach is useless, and I don't want one virtual display where everything full screen is kicked between the two either. I want two screens. Is that so hard? It's part of the reason i rarely use ubuntu at home!
    -taylor

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    1. Re:Multiple display support!? by erikina · · Score: 1

      I and many people have had it for years. Granted, I've struggled on every setup to achieve it, but it's definitely possible.

      The trick is, if you have nvidia/ati to install the proprietary drivers. And then use their gui tools to setup multiple. If you have intel graphics, the standard tools should suffice.

      Also, for what it's worth -- Fedora tends to have much better dual monitor support. But it's very doable in Ubuntu.

    2. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use multiple displays all the time. My Dell XPS 1530 support multiple displays through Nvidia settings.

    3. Re:Multiple display support!? by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      Well, i DID install the proprietary stuff, and i DID use their tool, but there was basically no option that worked to allow me to use both in one session without stretching stuff. I also spent a long time searching online and most forum threads i found ended up with the person not succeeding. Grr. Maybe I'll look again, but i wasn't able to do it before, and I spent a few nights trying to solve it.
      -Taylor

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    4. Re:Multiple display support!? by Facegarden · · Score: 1

      NVIDIA, btw.

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    5. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can do it now. I do it all the time. That said, I have an Intel graphics card which makes this easy.

      With the binary drivers you'll have to blame your hardware manufacturer.

    6. Re:Multiple display support!? by SpinyNorman · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure xinemara does that, but good luck trying to find out how to configure it. Google doesn't even throw up anything resembling a home page for it.

    7. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Use Windows.

    8. Re:Multiple display support!? by bfields · · Score: 1

      Plug in the second monitor, run System->Preferences->Screen Resolution. It should let you turn the two screens on and off, adjust resolutions, and adjust their placement with respect to each other. Maximizing/full-screening windows seems to make them fill up whichever screen they're on.

      I've tried it a few times, but don't use it every day. I seem to recall a few glitches (e.g. maybe desktop effects got turned off?). This is on a laptop with a GM965; support for non-Intel hardware might lag given that Intel's been contributing the most work on this sort of thing....

      I'm running Intrepid. The same configuration was there in Hardy, but in practice I found it didn't work nearly as well. Given the rate of progress, I'd expect it to be pretty solid in Jaunty and Karmic, but I'm no expert on X development....

    9. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In 8.10 I was able to set up multiple displays (one x session, not two) in about three minutes with a GUI-based tool that was sitting in the "System" menu. Yeah, it wasn't the way you do it in windows, but it wasn't any harder. SHAME on the people modding you up because your complaint is null and void and useless. Since I'm posting as AC, I'll be vulgar: You're an idiot and a hater. Please die soon for the good of the rest of humanity.

    10. Re:Multiple display support!? by B5_geek · · Score: 1

      Simple'ish solution that always works for me.

      Edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and replace the resolutions with the TOTAL # of pixels.

      i.e. two 1024x768 monitors would be: 2048x768

      There is a little more to it then that but I have always been able to get both screen to work with that.

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    11. Re:Multiple display support!? by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 1

      Hm. When I use nvidia-settings to configure a TwinView setup, the window managers/desktop environments all* become aware of the situation; the *desktop* stretches across both screens, but panels and maximized windows don't... as it should be.

      Now, fullscreen *games* do tend to end up split across my two monitors... so I still have to edit xorg.conf by hand, forcing lower, "game-friendly" resolutions to go single-head with metamodes like "CRT-0: 1280x1024, CRT-1: NULL".

      It's been working fine so far, with or without Compiz. But then I only have two plain old CRTs to juggle. Perhaps I misunderstood your problem.

      I did combine a Twinview setup with a leftover PCI card into a triple-head Xinerama setup once and that worked too (although I'm not sure I still had 3D acceleration).

      (* except KDE 4.1. It doesn't seem to handle TwinView *or* separate X screens correctly here.)

    12. Re:Multiple display support!? by Bambi+Dee · · Score: 1

      so I still have to edit xorg.conf by hand, forcing lower, "game-friendly" resolutions to go single-head with metamodes like "CRT-0: 1280x1024, CRT-1: NULL".

      Actually, you can do that in the nvidia-settings GUI, too.

    13. Re:Multiple display support!? by basicio · · Score: 1

      Yeah, this would be nice.

      Fedora 10 detects multiple monitors perfectly but Ubuntu steadfastly refuses to recognize any display not built into my laptop, making it completely unusable for me.

    14. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Twinview works wonderfully for me. Get NVIDIA.

    15. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Xinerama

    16. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why should it have a home page? It is a function of the X server (Xorg), so you'll want to look in the Xorg documentation for it.

    17. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      works for me in 8.10

    18. Re:Multiple display support!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Um, now. Unless you are possible using a very, very, very old video card. Dual displays works just fine for me with intel 945, nVidia 6800, and an ATI 9600.

  42. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by dotancohen · · Score: 1

    Exactly, it's part of their "Qt everywhere" program. That's why these issues (there are others) are so frustrating.

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  43. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by mcubed · · Score: 1

    Are you sure that's not kloud komputing bullshit?

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  44. Re:Cat got you karma-whoring-80-column ass? by perryizgr8 · · Score: 0

    I think you meant kloud komputing.

    korrekt, komrade

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  45. idoitwithubuntu tag by highways · · Score: 1

    Why did I first read this as idiot-with-ubuntu rather than i-do-it-with-ubuntu?

    1. Re:idoitwithubuntu tag by SiggyTheViking · · Score: 1

      Why did I first read this as idiot-with-ubuntu rather than i-do-it-with-ubuntu?

      If the shoe fits ;-)

  46. An ironic initialism from a white South African? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder how many people will install KKK (Karmic Koala Kubuntu) because of the new "no more brown" look...

  47. Idea box by ChunderDownunder · · Score: 1

    Yes, I know I'm replying to a slightly tongue-in-cheek posting but...

    Can we get some convention in the tag system? I'd recommend lowerCamelCase.

    I use camel case even for files - The "Documents And Settings" and "Program Files" nuisance could have been avoided if MS had adopted such a convention.

  48. syntax highlighting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if you use vim/gvim, have a look at zenburn theme. it is designed to be especially easy on the eyes during long duration editing sessions.

  49. HIG by Laz10 · · Score: 1

    That is a lot of bugs to file ...

    Wouldn't it be more productive if there existed some detailed style guide/HIG.

    I know that one exists, but it isn't very prominent and seems to lack good detailed examples.

    1. Re:HIG by dotancohen · · Score: 1

      There does exist a Gnome HIG.

      If you want to send to me the screenshots and explain exactly what is wrong, then send them to laz10 splat dotancohen spot com and I'll file them.

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  50. Re:semicolons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many US style guides recommend using bullets, but I like to use daggers whenever possible.

  51. WTF? by theolein · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...Stupid package management with insane dependencies. ...

    And you say this as a Mac user, using an OS that doesn't even have a unified package management system (And no, .pkg files don't count, since they aren't unified and there's no built-in update of uninstall mechanism)?

    Your post should have been marked troll, flamebait or Macfanboi, and I say that as a Mac user myself who owns three Macs.

  52. yeah, that's a bizarre argument by Trepidity · · Score: 1

    I use mainly Debian (on my desktops) and OS X (on my laptop). There are pros and cons to both, but by far the biggest con of the Mac and pro of Debian is that packing management actually exists and works.

    I nearly fell out of my chair when I first saw that the official way to install apps on OS X is to mount a virtual drive image and then manually copy files out of it to somewhere on your hard drive (like the Applications folder), and then unmount the drive image. That's the best they could come up with?

  53. Rid of the orange and brown? by dov_0 · · Score: 1

    ...I seriously doubt it. There have been hopes of that for several releases...

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  54. That's a few releases away by wiredog · · Score: 1

    We need to get Lusty Lobster, Melancholy Mule, and Obese Otter out the door first.