Its called Darwin and it has existed for years and years. It is a blend of FreeBSD and Mach, with quite a bit of other innovative stuff thrown in for good measure. I am surprised that you never heard about it.
In all honesty.. Never heard of it. I stand enlightened.
Not at all. I just think it will be funny to see people attempting to use Android as a replacement for a netbook.
Why? Is it really any stranger a concept than putting another phone OS on a netbook with no keyboard?
There is not only no reason why a netbook can't have a touch screen, but it has already been done. So not limited to a tiny track pad or optical sensor of some kind for any physical reason.
A phone OS if anything is a better fit for a small screen netbook than an OS more normally associated with and designed for a full sized computer. Windows on a small screen yuck. To be honest, anything under 1024X768.. Forget it. And chunky UI 7.. even worse. Same with a non modified Linux install, and then we have the problem of each manufacturer making their own half assed variation on a distro that may never be updated properly. Android on the other hand is designed for lower resolution screens and low powered processors, has a nice selection of applications, a good community going, and some pretty impressive capabilities.
As an example.. There are some really nice Japanese models that would fit the bill quite nicely. Already in existence, so not some vapour ware thing that may never see the light of day.
Beats the iPad in pretty much every specification. More easily portable, more powerful, more connectivity out of the box, lighter, longer battery life.. Ticks all the boxes. About the only thing against it is the price. Make it about £200-250 and you have a sale.
Add a light weight OS with a large number of low power applications, and you have a nice useful little gadget. If it uses an X86 processor, no ties to just Android for those of us who like to tinker.
Personally.. If I could justify one of these, I'd buy it. Anything that gets much bigger than a DVD case however, becomes less casually portable, which is really the only sane reason for such a device.
We will see what we will see, The whole thing may end up being a disaster. But I wouldn't bet against Android being quite successful on small form factor netbooks/enbiggened PDAs.
We don't need as many lifeboats because the ship can't possibly sink. Just put em on to keep the officials happy.
And as the ship is unsinkable, no lifeboat drills.
Oh.. and a few lower grade rivets will be fine, cos' the ship is unsinkable remember... No harm saving a few quid eh?
Of course, a PR driven product couldn't exist like that today, because so many technical people would point out the flaws, and the company wouldn't get away with it. Right?
Well Windows 7 doesn't really cost $200 either... more like $150.
Well.. Windows 7 OEM, which would be on an off the shelf PC doesnt really cost $150 either. More like $30-50 tops.
So I checked apple.com, and the *upgrade* is only $29, but if you're running an older 10.4 system then you need the full OS. That costs $170. That's the OS tax which is included in every Mac, same as the Windows tax is included in every PC.
Again.. OEM price. Even though the maker of the OS and the hardware are the same company. So basically, they can get it at cost.
You mean the Linux fanboys that have been saying "it's the year of Linux" since 1998.
Nope.. Only Windows fanboys still expect anybody to take the whole year of Linux thing seriously. It's kind of like the old " when did you stop beating your wife" question. Challenging someone to defend something that they never proposed in the first place.
If such a thing ever does happen, it will be seen in retrospect, so this year may not be the year of Linux, but some year in the future may very well have been the year of Linux. Depending on what criteria one uses.
Next few times you see someone mention it.. Look carefully. Are they a Linux user making some grand prediction, or are they a Windows/OSX user trying to make fun of a Linux user?
Get real. It doesn't take a fanboy to see that Windows still completely dominates the desktop market and will continue for several more years.
Nothing really.. But the fanboys seem to think that it makes it a little more acceptable to the rational people in the world if they can pretend that holiness is being forced to do it by big bad regulators.
GIMP has undo + redo functions; they're pretty easy to find. What it's missing are straightforward straight-line and square/rectangle/circle tools.
Gimp is a photo/image editor. You are after a vector editor for charts and the like. For geometric stuff you need Inkscape or similar. And for charts, Dia is so much better.
Right tool for the job makes life easier.
I keep seeing this complaint here, but have never got a rational answer as to why geometry tools are of such importance on a bitmap editor.
XSANE should never be made available. The GUI is a complete mess, looking like something that belongs on the Amiga. Also, it has yet to work with a single scanner or webcam I throw at it.
I think I see your problem.. Stop throwing stuff. Peripherals tend to last longer without sudden impact.
Don;t be daft..
ME was an unstable and unsuccessful version of Windows that got pulled quickly and nobody shed a tear.
Vista was an unstable and unsuccessful version of Windows that got pulled quickly and nobody shed a tear, that had shiny stuff.
Maybe I'm missing something, but what is the link between publishing a book in a pamphlet style and a love for digital readers?
The amazing ability of a fanboy to twist any subject to be about their object of devotion.
The only reason it wasn't "Why Beatrix Potter would love an iPad" was because it was written by a Kindle fanboy.
Actually, I do think the Internet makes some people dumber: they can write such grammatically atrocious sentences as yours, and be totally inarticulate, and still get a pass, while those who point this out (like me) get flamed for doing so. Therefore, dumbness is rewarded.
No.. People have always laughed at self righteous twats.
These days, the underlying OS doesn't matter, even when it comes to mobile devices. That's not where the interesting or critical development is happening. What matters these days is the higher-level APIs. Those are what mobile applications use, with very few mobile apps actually needing to care about the underlying OS.
Absolutely.. The really important bit is the place where they hay is stored for the unicorns. Apple user right?
Technicallly it's not a huge hurdle, it's getting companies to do it that's the hard part. Why give consumers a firmware upgrade that adds features when you can make them buy a newer product to get the ability? (See Android on mobiles, etc...)
Because then you don't need to give MPEG-LA any of your money in license fees?
I'm having a huge argument with a friend right now about this. He thinks it would be a huge PR mistake for Apple to publish concrete, clear App Store submission rules, and that therefore they shouldn't do it. (His reason? People would be pissed about all the exceptions to the rules that Apple makes for wealth developers.)
And he doesn't have a problem with Apple favoring wealthy app developers even when it harms the independent and small business developers.
You forgot rule one.. Apple is right no matter how many logical hoops have to be jumped through to justify it. Everybody else is wrong, even if the fabric of reality has to be altered to accommodate this.
It's like arguing with a Scientologist. Cults are like that. No matter how strong your point, it will be translated into " I can't afford an iProduct, so I'm jealous". Even if you make twice what they do, and buy gear that costs far more than an iProduct does.
Forget logic, sound arguments, valid points.. Just tell him that Steve has cooties, and walk away. You are not dealing with a rational person. And if they bring the subject up, just say you don't argue religion.
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Its called Darwin and it has existed for years and years. It is a blend of FreeBSD and Mach, with quite a bit of other innovative stuff thrown in for good measure. I am surprised that you never heard about it.
In all honesty.. Never heard of it. I stand enlightened.
Not at all. I just think it will be funny to see people attempting to use Android as a replacement for a netbook.
Why? Is it really any stranger a concept than putting another phone OS on a netbook with no keyboard?
There is not only no reason why a netbook can't have a touch screen, but it has already been done. So not limited to a tiny track pad or optical sensor of some kind for any physical reason.
A phone OS if anything is a better fit for a small screen netbook than an OS more normally associated with and designed for a full sized computer. Windows on a small screen yuck. To be honest, anything under 1024X768.. Forget it. And chunky UI 7.. even worse. Same with a non modified Linux install, and then we have the problem of each manufacturer making their own half assed variation on a distro that may never be updated properly. Android on the other hand is designed for lower resolution screens and low powered processors, has a nice selection of applications, a good community going, and some pretty impressive capabilities.
As an example.. There are some really nice Japanese models that would fit the bill quite nicely. Already in existence, so not some vapour ware thing that may never see the light of day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCkVhuCC6tU
Beats the iPad in pretty much every specification. More easily portable, more powerful, more connectivity out of the box, lighter, longer battery life.. Ticks all the boxes. About the only thing against it is the price. Make it about £200-250 and you have a sale.
Add a light weight OS with a large number of low power applications, and you have a nice useful little gadget. If it uses an X86 processor, no ties to just Android for those of us who like to tinker.
Personally.. If I could justify one of these, I'd buy it. Anything that gets much bigger than a DVD case however, becomes less casually portable, which is really the only sane reason for such a device.
We will see what we will see, The whole thing may end up being a disaster. But I wouldn't bet against Android being quite successful on small form factor netbooks/enbiggened PDAs.
In this context it is impossible to say, because Apple actually makes their own Free and open source OS, and gives it away to anybody who wants it.
They do? Which one?
It'll be fun to see how ugly, slow, and choppy Android is on a bigger screen though. I was actually shocked to discover how awful it really is.
Ahh..So the SCREEN is what defines the speed of the device..
Silly me.. All these years I've been upgrading processors and video cards.. I could have just got a smaller screen and had a faster computer..
who owns the most judges and politicians ...
The ones that can put a horse's head in their bedroom.
And Jabberwocky tastes much better..
Classic case of PR over practicality.
We don't need as many lifeboats because the ship can't possibly sink. Just put em on to keep the officials happy.
And as the ship is unsinkable, no lifeboat drills.
Oh.. and a few lower grade rivets will be fine, cos' the ship is unsinkable remember... No harm saving a few quid eh?
Of course, a PR driven product couldn't exist like that today, because so many technical people would point out the flaws, and the company wouldn't get away with it. Right?
Well Windows 7 doesn't really cost $200 either... more like $150.
Well.. Windows 7 OEM, which would be on an off the shelf PC doesnt really cost $150 either. More like $30-50 tops.
So I checked apple.com, and the *upgrade* is only $29, but if you're running an older 10.4 system then you need the full OS. That costs $170. That's the OS tax which is included in every Mac, same as the Windows tax is included in every PC.
Again.. OEM price. Even though the maker of the OS and the hardware are the same company. So basically, they can get it at cost.
No problem.
You mean the Linux fanboys that have been saying "it's the year of Linux" since 1998.
Nope.. Only Windows fanboys still expect anybody to take the whole year of Linux thing seriously. It's kind of like the old " when did you stop beating your wife" question. Challenging someone to defend something that they never proposed in the first place.
If such a thing ever does happen, it will be seen in retrospect, so this year may not be the year of Linux, but some year in the future may very well have been the year of Linux. Depending on what criteria one uses.
Next few times you see someone mention it.. Look carefully. Are they a Linux user making some grand prediction, or are they a Windows/OSX user trying to make fun of a Linux user?
Get real. It doesn't take a fanboy to see that Windows still completely dominates the desktop market and will continue for several more years.
Who said it didn't. Or were you being defensive?
Liable for what, exactly?
Nothing really.. But the fanboys seem to think that it makes it a little more acceptable to the rational people in the world if they can pretend that holiness is being forced to do it by big bad regulators.
Drawing things on top of images, arrows or circles on screenshots, simple graphics on top of family photos...
Note I did say rational...
GIMP has undo + redo functions; they're pretty easy to find. What it's missing are straightforward straight-line and square/rectangle/circle tools.
Gimp is a photo/image editor. You are after a vector editor for charts and the like.
For geometric stuff you need Inkscape or similar.
And for charts, Dia is so much better.
Right tool for the job makes life easier.
I keep seeing this complaint here, but have never got a rational answer as to why geometry tools are of such importance on a bitmap editor.
XSANE should never be made available. The GUI is a complete mess, looking like something that belongs on the Amiga. Also, it has yet to work with a single scanner or webcam I throw at it.
I think I see your problem.. Stop throwing stuff. Peripherals tend to last longer without sudden impact.
Is anyone _really_ wondering... about either?
Yep.. The defensive Windows fanboys who keep telling us that the year of Linux hasn't come yet.
I can confuse Windows ME and Windows Vista. :)
Don;t be daft.. ME was an unstable and unsuccessful version of Windows that got pulled quickly and nobody shed a tear. Vista was an unstable and unsuccessful version of Windows that got pulled quickly and nobody shed a tear, that had shiny stuff.
You guys must really hate Uwe Boll. This is the third identical post.
Watch any of his movies. Then you will understand.
Maybe I'm missing something, but what is the link between publishing a book in a pamphlet style and a love for digital readers?
The amazing ability of a fanboy to twist any subject to be about their object of devotion. The only reason it wasn't "Why Beatrix Potter would love an iPad" was because it was written by a Kindle fanboy.
Actually, I do think the Internet makes some people dumber: they can write such grammatically atrocious sentences as yours, and be totally inarticulate, and still get a pass, while those who point this out (like me) get flamed for doing so. Therefore, dumbness is rewarded.
No.. People have always laughed at self righteous twats.
These days, the underlying OS doesn't matter, even when it comes to mobile devices. That's not where the interesting or critical development is happening. What matters these days is the higher-level APIs. Those are what mobile applications use, with very few mobile apps actually needing to care about the underlying OS.
Absolutely.. The really important bit is the place where they hay is stored for the unicorns. Apple user right?
Technicallly it's not a huge hurdle, it's getting companies to do it that's the hard part. Why give consumers a firmware upgrade that adds features when you can make them buy a newer product to get the ability? (See Android on mobiles, etc...)
Because then you don't need to give MPEG-LA any of your money in license fees?
So Kirk's jilted speech - that's just him swapping out to disk?
Well that or a dodgy sound card driver.
Wait, Microsoft is Captain Kirk now?
Bald.. check.
Fat.. check.
Arrogant.. check.
Seems so..
Sadly, they seem to be everywhere. Fanboys do tend to make owning or using a product embarrassing.
I'm having a huge argument with a friend right now about this. He thinks it would be a huge PR mistake for Apple to publish concrete, clear App Store submission rules, and that therefore they shouldn't do it. (His reason? People would be pissed about all the exceptions to the rules that Apple makes for wealth developers.)
And he doesn't have a problem with Apple favoring wealthy app developers even when it harms the independent and small business developers.
You forgot rule one..
Apple is right no matter how many logical hoops have to be jumped through to justify it. Everybody else is wrong, even if the fabric of reality has to be altered to accommodate this.
It's like arguing with a Scientologist. Cults are like that. No matter how strong your point, it will be translated into " I can't afford an iProduct, so I'm jealous". Even if you make twice what they do, and buy gear that costs far more than an iProduct does.
Forget logic, sound arguments, valid points.. Just tell him that Steve has cooties, and walk away. You are not dealing with a rational person. And if they bring the subject up, just say you don't argue religion.
What if the source is open but not for use?
Then it gets supported by Steve Jobs.
Waste of time.. Commodore 64 has a thing about the BBC license fee. No amount of logic or rational discussion will sway him