Nothing mysterious about it. The size of the Federal Register is a good indicator; there are many other indicators. You have to be living in a fantasy land not to recognize the massive increase in regulations over the last few decades.
The time frame of the "recovery" is just under a decade. Now perhaps you could stop waving your hands and describe the negative effects on job growth of an actual new regulation in that period of time.
Sure, but if the guy was just unlucky, there's not a big investigation. Here there's a question of the treatment he got having any useful effect on his type of cancer.
You are making a great many unsupported assertions. What are these mysterious increased regulations? Why are the results similar between locations that recently increased the minimum wage and those that didn't?
Your job growth figures don't mean much to economic well being when many of the added jobs don't meet the cost of living and many more don't pay what the jobs that disappeared in the crash did. It's just so much whistling past the graveyard.
And the person you were replying to specified American Capitalism, meaning corruption and all. If you acknowledge the corruption, why do you attempt to refute the problem by citing the ideal (which you acknowledge is unlikely to happen)?
Indeed, the American "Capitalism" does depend on stagnation and desperation to distort the employment market. Unless a reform is being proposed, there's no point in bringing Smith in to this, his theories are not applicable to the reality here.
Most of the new jobs created in the "recovery" are easily automated away (just how hard is it for a machine to say "want fries with that?"? They tend to not be as good as the jobs lost in the recession. There's no point in deceiving ourselves about the "recovery".
You should RTFA again. Some of them HAVE talked to regulators and apparently nobody knows exactly what to do with them. That makes them a new category.
Transporting has a set of regulations and so does dispensing. But bothe are oriented towards thousands to tens of thousands of gallons. At the other end of the scale, they're talking about 1-5 gallons. Somewhere in the middle, we have these guys.
I'm pretty sure the guys with untrained drivers and jerry cans will have a rude awakening. The ones with trained commecial drivers appear to have made an effort at compliance.
Actually, they have a point. What they are doing isn't already neatly pidgeon holed. Naturally, there is no beureucrat willing to stick his neck out by thinking on the problem and making a binding ruling that it's approved. The request would likely just move from inbox to inbox for a few years.
If they want an answer sometime this century, they're doing it right. At least a few of them seem to have made a good faith effort to comply with likely applicable regulations.
That tanker and SOME of the fuel delivery trucks are driven by commercial drivers. The other delivery trucks are driven by drivers with no particular training and a regular drivers license.
Part of the problem is the lack of even best practices since this is a new type of business.
Slave labor is an entirely different matter. But consider, the slave owner just to protect his investment had to "pay" better than modern employers who count on their employees receiving food stamps and other assistance.
Of course, that is before the stated timeframe of the turn of the 20th century by which time there were no slaves.
Many did end up that way after the initial excitement. But even then they had better than the McJobs waiting for so many today. It will be much worse than it was for agricultural workers. Think Hooverville.
But the Capitalists had best think long and hard here, that time was the closest the U.S. ever came to a socialist revolution. Appeasement from FDR followed by WWII and then growing prosperity for the masses headed it off, but now the idiots have forgotten their lesson.
The feeding machine from Modern Times is starting to look more likely again.
We have not recovered. We just don't count people who gave up. Many of the new jobs are nowhere near as good as the ones that were lost. It represents a substantial drop in standard of living.
It is an improvement from a couple years ago, but not a recovery.
That's because farm workers were already voluntarily moving to better paying work in factories. The mechanization of farming was in response to a shrinking labor pool at that time.
Most of those require cognitive functions. The guy who swabbed the urinals is still working because he's slightly cheaper than a self cleaning cyberloo, so far.
Many chose to stick where they were to give time to find an option. CentOS/RHEL 6 are still in support as is Wheezy. Many saw that while systemd can't be totally stripped from (Debian) Jessie, it can be stubbed out for a server or if you switch to XFCE. Of course, Slack and Gentoo are options.
So the tale won't be told at least until Wheezy and Centos 6 go EOL. The final chapter won't be written until Debian Jessie goes EOL.
That's a good point, and it's even event driven. I haven't done much with it in a long time but it demonstrates how to add event driven behavior and still play nicely.
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Nothing mysterious about it. The size of the Federal Register is a good indicator; there are many other indicators. You have to be living in a fantasy land not to recognize the massive increase in regulations over the last few decades.
The time frame of the "recovery" is just under a decade. Now perhaps you could stop waving your hands and describe the negative effects on job growth of an actual new regulation in that period of time.
Because they're being used to obfuscate the more important reality.
Sure, but if the guy was just unlucky, there's not a big investigation. Here there's a question of the treatment he got having any useful effect on his type of cancer.
You are making a great many unsupported assertions. What are these mysterious increased regulations? Why are the results similar between locations that recently increased the minimum wage and those that didn't?
Your job growth figures don't mean much to economic well being when many of the added jobs don't meet the cost of living and many more don't pay what the jobs that disappeared in the crash did. It's just so much whistling past the graveyard.
Source: Too many to count.
They're also batshit insane authoritarians. That's the connection.
He did go to a doctor. Alas, the doctor's ad claiming a high success rate with the cancer he had was a lie.
And the person you were replying to specified American Capitalism, meaning corruption and all. If you acknowledge the corruption, why do you attempt to refute the problem by citing the ideal (which you acknowledge is unlikely to happen)?
Indeed, the American "Capitalism" does depend on stagnation and desperation to distort the employment market. Unless a reform is being proposed, there's no point in bringing Smith in to this, his theories are not applicable to the reality here.
Most of the new jobs created in the "recovery" are easily automated away (just how hard is it for a machine to say "want fries with that?"? They tend to not be as good as the jobs lost in the recession. There's no point in deceiving ourselves about the "recovery".
But please don't tell the wife!
You didn't RTFA, did you? You could at least look at the pictures of the trucks!
You should RTFA again. Some of them HAVE talked to regulators and apparently nobody knows exactly what to do with them. That makes them a new category.
Transporting has a set of regulations and so does dispensing. But bothe are oriented towards thousands to tens of thousands of gallons. At the other end of the scale, they're talking about 1-5 gallons. Somewhere in the middle, we have these guys.
I'm pretty sure the guys with untrained drivers and jerry cans will have a rude awakening. The ones with trained commecial drivers appear to have made an effort at compliance.
They certainly do.
Of all the things I miss from kuro5hin, it has to be LocalRogers that I miss the most.
Seconded. I enjoyed his stories.
Actually, they have a point. What they are doing isn't already neatly pidgeon holed. Naturally, there is no beureucrat willing to stick his neck out by thinking on the problem and making a binding ruling that it's approved. The request would likely just move from inbox to inbox for a few years.
If they want an answer sometime this century, they're doing it right. At least a few of them seem to have made a good faith effort to comply with likely applicable regulations.
That tanker and SOME of the fuel delivery trucks are driven by commercial drivers. The other delivery trucks are driven by drivers with no particular training and a regular drivers license.
Part of the problem is the lack of even best practices since this is a new type of business.
That and it's actually fairly hard to get fuel oil burning.
Slave labor is an entirely different matter. But consider, the slave owner just to protect his investment had to "pay" better than modern employers who count on their employees receiving food stamps and other assistance.
Of course, that is before the stated timeframe of the turn of the 20th century by which time there were no slaves.
Many did end up that way after the initial excitement. But even then they had better than the McJobs waiting for so many today. It will be much worse than it was for agricultural workers. Think Hooverville.
But the Capitalists had best think long and hard here, that time was the closest the U.S. ever came to a socialist revolution. Appeasement from FDR followed by WWII and then growing prosperity for the masses headed it off, but now the idiots have forgotten their lesson.
The feeding machine from Modern Times is starting to look more likely again.
We have not recovered. We just don't count people who gave up. Many of the new jobs are nowhere near as good as the ones that were lost. It represents a substantial drop in standard of living.
It is an improvement from a couple years ago, but not a recovery.
That's because farm workers were already voluntarily moving to better paying work in factories. The mechanization of farming was in response to a shrinking labor pool at that time.
I'll believe it when I see it.
But nobody will care because you'll just be a crazy homeless guy.
Most of those require cognitive functions. The guy who swabbed the urinals is still working because he's slightly cheaper than a self cleaning cyberloo, so far.
Many chose to stick where they were to give time to find an option. CentOS/RHEL 6 are still in support as is Wheezy. Many saw that while systemd can't be totally stripped from (Debian) Jessie, it can be stubbed out for a server or if you switch to XFCE. Of course, Slack and Gentoo are options.
So the tale won't be told at least until Wheezy and Centos 6 go EOL. The final chapter won't be written until Debian Jessie goes EOL.
That's a good point, and it's even event driven. I haven't done much with it in a long time but it demonstrates how to add event driven behavior and still play nicely.