I've both used windows vista & windows 8 a lot, and both are very decent versions of windows. Vista was very stable & fast for the time i used it (a few years), and now i've got windows 8, and i like the look, and it's extremely fast:). The new start menu is a bit of getting used to, and there are some improvements possible, but it's a very decent first attempt, and i'd rather have them improve that, than keep that old start menu alive forever because people are so afraid of change -_-.
And seriously, all the stupid things you read about it on slashdot are just ridiculous. it's not because we now got a tablet friendly start menu that allows some basic applications in it, that the entire desktop and every single other feature of windows suddenly disappeared, there still is a desktop, windows, multitasking,... just some fancier start menu that's strange at the start, but works pretty well. and when my family sees me using it, they seem fairly positive, the change to the new system is only a week of getting used to it.
For all the intelligence that people always say is here, why do you all have to act like conservative bigots when it's about windows?? both vista & 8 are decent windowses, and all the fuss about them is just plain ridiculous -_-.
Its Slashdot. Just as Fox will hype the "Obama is going to take your guns" stories because it keeps their target demographic coming back for more, Slashdot will run "OMG, everyone hates _____ from Microsoft" stories, too.
There's occasionally good stuff posted on here, so its best to just ignore the stories targeted at feeding the base.
It's just that somewhere i got this tiny bit of hope that on a place like this were we're slightly more intelligent than the average fox viewer that people would behave a tiny bit smarter, but... you're probably right >_...
for me the start screen is just a fullscreen start menu with some fancy features. and if you use it as such, there really is no issue. you're still most of the time on your familiar desktop, and if you need a program, you click on the lower left corner, click the icon (as you used to), and the program you chose starts on the desktop. i don't see what the fuss is about, and how this is complicated? and organising this new screen maybe takes a few minutes of experimenting how you can group items and put them where you want them. But that's about it...
i'd love to see some actual good examples of the issues people encounter. It's always these vague reasons that don't really seem to make sense... (or often just ranting without being bother by actual knowledge or having used it...)
nah, rather annoyed at the stupidity. i'm not saying windows is holy and allmighty. i'm just annoyed at all the stupid comments and FUD i read about it. how the new start menu would be unusable etc... i installed it wondering what i would encounter, and it was strange at first (and had my doubts), but i got used to it (and googled how to configure it i must admit:p ), and don't really notice it anymore. It works well, and i got all the programs i often start in there, and i like using my win 8 pc as just a desktop pc with it.
Same shit with vista, the eternal complaining, while i had then bought a new, decent pc, installed vista on it. And just noticed a stable, fast pc that worked (with only being pissed off at philips for not releasing a 64 bit driver for my webcam -_-. got me a uvc webcam now so whatever changes in drivers, it can't fuck up my working hardware anymore:p).
every windows has it's issues, some are bigger, some are minor, but i don't get where this eternal complaining keeps coming from. even more since it's so obvious many of the complainers haven't even used it, and are just echoing some rants they heard (and preferably exaggerating it while they're at it -_- ).
Just try it (and i mean really try it, not install it while you've already decided that you hate it), and if you really don't like it, at least give some good reasons, everytime i read complaining it's either "omg, something changed, hate hate hate" or "omg i heard there are no more windows and i need windows and they can't remove multitasking, if it can't multitask how could it possibly be used for desktop pc's" (as if the start screen is the only screen in windows 8....)....
what the hell takes 5X more clicks? you put the things you use on the start screen, and it's always 2 clicks no matter what you need, and it's big enough to put everything normal users need on there. And on the desktop you can still pin your most used applications on the taskbar and open them in a single click, so unless you used to be able to open 5 applications in a single click, and now no longer can, i wonder where the hell your 5X number comes from -_-. And yes, with everything that is new there will be people complaining and getting lost. Doesn't mean it is worse, it just means it's a change, any change will trigger that...
I've both used windows vista & windows 8 a lot, and both are very decent versions of windows. Vista was very stable & fast for the time i used it (a few years), and now i've got windows 8, and i like the look, and it's extremely fast:). The new start menu is a bit of getting used to, and there are some improvements possible, but it's a very decent first attempt, and i'd rather have them improve that, than keep that old start menu alive forever because people are so afraid of change -_-.
And seriously, all the stupid things you read about it on slashdot are just ridiculous. it's not because we now got a tablet friendly start menu that allows some basic applications in it, that the entire desktop and every single other feature of windows suddenly disappeared, there still is a desktop, windows, multitasking,... just some fancier start menu that's strange at the start, but works pretty well. and when my family sees me using it, they seem fairly positive, the change to the new system is only a week of getting used to it.
For all the intelligence that people always say is here, why do you all have to act like conservative bigots when it's about windows?? both vista & 8 are decent windowses, and all the fuss about them is just plain ridiculous -_-.
i mean isn't that the only difficulty of assembling ikea furniture? reading the manual instead of just diving in and hoping you'll figure it out yourself?
of course, then the issue would become how would people be able to comprehend how this bot works, if they don't read manuals, so we'd need a bot to help you read the manual for this bot, but...
why the heck would you want to do that? that's not what the tiles are for, that's what the desktop is for, and it's only 1 click away from the tiles. It's not like the tiles are the new interface that will replace the desktop. I see metro/tiles as a newer, fancier, tablet friendly start menu, with some interesting functionality. I'm currently using Windows 8 as is, without addons on my desktop pc, and it was a bit strange in the beginning, but i quite like it now. They can probably make some improvements for people who really need a lot of items in their start menu, maybe the ability to make a tile that opens a new set of tiles, so you can have a recursive system again, but besides that it's good, understandable, and both workable for desktop & tablets (and i don't think you would've wanted to use the classic start menu on a tablet:p )
Europe, if i see your prices, i think it's a fraction of what we pay here. i've recently looked at 32-40" tv's, here prices range from 500-1000€ for regular ones, double that if you want 3D so if you talk about 50 inch, that's several thousands of euros for one here
I'm wondering what the use of these prizes is. I thought most of them were created to help the researches, but if you only get it after you've retired, what's the use? of course the problem is with newer research that it's hard to estimate its longterm value (and if there was no fraud) but maybe they should just give these guys a nice medal, and invest the rest of the money in current promising research that probably desperately needs it?
with ME i agree, that sucked (when i personally tried it, i had to get rid of it after half a day since no matter what i did, i couldn't get it on my home network -_- )
but vista and windows 8?
I've used vista both at home and at work for quite a while, and it was just the step between xp and 7. The only vista issue i know of is that aero was ridiculously heavy for the cheap pc's people were buying. But for anyone with a half decent pc (as i'd expect from the slashdot crowd), i'm sure it must've run really well and stable. It was a bit bleeding edge in support (64 bit drivers and pc's that weren't up to the task. But the os itself was very decent and rock solid)
never understood the hate
And now with windows 8 the same shit is happening again "OMG, they changed something!!! HATEHATEHATE". I'm now using windows 8 on my home pc, and i'm not really convinced of metro yet, but for casual home usage, it's no problem at all. The simple new UI and colors are quite nice i think, it gives it a pretty nice lightweight feel. And it may be due to my new pc (although a pretty butget mini itx system) that it's just lightning fast. The entire pc boots to the windows login screen in 11 seconds, and everything just works as it should and very fast. And i stuck to metro to see if it's really the hellhole people make it out to be, and it's ok imo. have been on it for a few months now, and i'm enjoying working on my pc:).
I just don't get this ridiculous hate for the windowses that make some changes. (okay, i can understand it, but i'd hope for a bit more intelligence with IT minded people on places like slashdot)
man, didn't know licenses could negate any law any country can have:) i'm gonna publish things with a license giving me the right to kill people, claim their first born, rob their houses, etc... (ofcourse worded in incomprehensible legalese:) )
i'll be able to do so much cool and usually illegal stuff since my license says i can:).
Which games are you referring to? because most of the times i think you can find the retail copy cheaper on sites like amazon than the game is on steam. Of course your local store is more expensive, but that's not the only place you can get the disc-copy retail game from. At least it has been so every time i bothered to look at it. I agree with GP, only the sales are interesting, sometimes.
so i read your comment, and tried to google it, and couldn't find anything... care to give a link? (or keywords i should google?) it sounds interesting, but can't seem to find much about it.
I know, this is slashdot, but i still read the article
And i still don't agree with him getting expelled, but the reason was not discovering/disclosing the flaw, but he got in hot water when afterwards he tested if the flaw was still there, and the company developing the software reported the hacking attempt.
It was still a big overreaction that happened afterwards, and he shouldn't have been expelled, but it's not the discovering/reporting of the flaw that got him in trouble, and the article clearly states this!
i don't think you get what he means: it uses more power when reading/writing
but if your computer writes/reads the same data over a period of time, it'll use less power over that period of time (because as you said, it'll use less energy to perform those actions, over this time period, that's power)
It's maximum power draw is indeed 5X higher, but its average power draw under real workloads will be a lot lower?
I thought microsoft had actually enabled it by default, which would be understandable, but against the spec
But here the user actually makes the choice. it's not on by default, but on if the user chooses to use the express settings (and it's clearly indicated)
Or maybe a bit clearer: If clicking "I agree" under a wall of legalese text is acceptable for everyone to agree to the most outrageous demands of the companies. Then choosing express settings with mentioning clearly in a not "wall of legalese" that you're choosing to block tracking is making a choice to block tracking, not being enabled by default without the user knowing it.
I find it strange that so many here attack microsoft for it. I know we're all supposed to hate them, but here the others are really being total assholes. If eulas are okay, then this too.
But always, or only after an other site made a link to it? The point is not whether it shows up in google now, but whether it would have shown up if no site linked it in the first place. And even if it can be found via google, if it has some generic name not saying what's in it, it's still unlikely anyone would find it. The judge is saying that by hyperlinking it, geenstijl made it findable for everybody. And if that is the case, he might have a point. If them linking actually made it accessible for everybody (why before that it wouldn't have been possible to find those files, or extremely unlikely), then they did more than just linking... Of course you can still argue they didn't upload it, which is also true. But i can understand the decision somewhat (doesn't mean i agree with it). This is different from just linking to a youtube video you could have just as easily found using the search function of youtube.
Not sure which side i'd choose, but it's not so black & white as many here claim it to be.
How about you start with a product that everyone can use?
Linux is a great hobby project for computer enthousiast. You can change anything, and can get just about every possible thing you can imagine to work. But it takes time, looking around on forums, trial and error, etc...
I've tried linux a few times in the past, and for just basic desktop usage it was fine (still not perfect though, when my pc was having troubles, and i temporarily booted from a ubuntu livecd, it took my mother a whole 15 minutes to get stuck in firefox while browsing, and in all honesty i didn't know enough to get out of it in a nice way euther. I just did ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in again and went back to firefox).
But everything extra, things i can easily do on my windows, just always have to be hard on linux it seems... When my pc was new, and i had the latest and greatest nvidia graphics card. There were no driver binaries, and after lots of trying and reading forums, i still didn''t manage to compile it and get it to run on my ubuntu -_- (yeah, this was two years ago, but lets be honest, it'll still be the same shit now).
You can market it all you want, as long as people who actually try it notice that it's just not polished for your average user, they'll quit, and will share it with their friends, and that'll undo whatever great marketing you did...
Linux is a great product, it's just not aimed at desktop users. Not sure why people so desperately want to target that audience... And if you really want to target them, start by making the product usable by those people without an IT'er who has to be reachable all the time to help them...
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I've both used windows vista & windows 8 a lot, and both are very decent versions of windows. Vista was very stable & fast for the time i used it (a few years), and now i've got windows 8, and i like the look, and it's extremely fast :). The new start menu is a bit of getting used to, and there are some improvements possible, but it's a very decent first attempt, and i'd rather have them improve that, than keep that old start menu alive forever because people are so afraid of change -_-.
And seriously, all the stupid things you read about it on slashdot are just ridiculous. it's not because we now got a tablet friendly start menu that allows some basic applications in it, that the entire desktop and every single other feature of windows suddenly disappeared, there still is a desktop, windows, multitasking, ... just some fancier start menu that's strange at the start, but works pretty well. and when my family sees me using it, they seem fairly positive, the change to the new system is only a week of getting used to it.
For all the intelligence that people always say is here, why do you all have to act like conservative bigots when it's about windows?? both vista & 8 are decent windowses, and all the fuss about them is just plain ridiculous -_-.
Its Slashdot. Just as Fox will hype the "Obama is going to take your guns" stories because it keeps their target demographic coming back for more, Slashdot will run "OMG, everyone hates _____ from Microsoft" stories, too.
There's occasionally good stuff posted on here, so its best to just ignore the stories targeted at feeding the base.
It's just that somewhere i got this tiny bit of hope that on a place like this were we're slightly more intelligent than the average fox viewer that people would behave a tiny bit smarter, but... you're probably right >_...
for me the start screen is just a fullscreen start menu with some fancy features.
and if you use it as such, there really is no issue. you're still most of the time on your familiar desktop, and if you need a program, you click on the lower left corner, click the icon (as you used to), and the program you chose starts on the desktop.
i don't see what the fuss is about, and how this is complicated? and organising this new screen maybe takes a few minutes of experimenting how you can group items and put them where you want them. But that's about it...
i'd love to see some actual good examples of the issues people encounter. It's always these vague reasons that don't really seem to make sense... (or often just ranting without being bother by actual knowledge or having used it...)
nah, rather annoyed at the stupidity. i'm not saying windows is holy and allmighty. i'm just annoyed at all the stupid comments and FUD i read about it. how the new start menu would be unusable etc... i installed it wondering what i would encounter, and it was strange at first (and had my doubts), but i got used to it (and googled how to configure it i must admit :p ), and don't really notice it anymore. It works well, and i got all the programs i often start in there, and i like using my win 8 pc as just a desktop pc with it.
Same shit with vista, the eternal complaining, while i had then bought a new, decent pc, installed vista on it. And just noticed a stable, fast pc that worked (with only being pissed off at philips for not releasing a 64 bit driver for my webcam -_-. got me a uvc webcam now so whatever changes in drivers, it can't fuck up my working hardware anymore :p).
every windows has it's issues, some are bigger, some are minor, but i don't get where this eternal complaining keeps coming from. even more since it's so obvious many of the complainers haven't even used it, and are just echoing some rants they heard (and preferably exaggerating it while they're at it -_- ).
Just try it (and i mean really try it, not install it while you've already decided that you hate it), and if you really don't like it, at least give some good reasons, everytime i read complaining it's either
"omg, something changed, hate hate hate"
or
"omg i heard there are no more windows and i need windows and they can't remove multitasking, if it can't multitask how could it possibly be used for desktop pc's" (as if the start screen is the only screen in windows 8....)....
what the hell takes 5X more clicks? you put the things you use on the start screen, and it's always 2 clicks no matter what you need, and it's big enough to put everything normal users need on there. And on the desktop you can still pin your most used applications on the taskbar and open them in a single click, so unless you used to be able to open 5 applications in a single click, and now no longer can, i wonder where the hell your 5X number comes from -_-.
And yes, with everything that is new there will be people complaining and getting lost. Doesn't mean it is worse, it just means it's a change, any change will trigger that...
I've both used windows vista & windows 8 a lot, and both are very decent versions of windows. Vista was very stable & fast for the time i used it (a few years), and now i've got windows 8, and i like the look, and it's extremely fast :). The new start menu is a bit of getting used to, and there are some improvements possible, but it's a very decent first attempt, and i'd rather have them improve that, than keep that old start menu alive forever because people are so afraid of change -_-.
And seriously, all the stupid things you read about it on slashdot are just ridiculous. it's not because we now got a tablet friendly start menu that allows some basic applications in it, that the entire desktop and every single other feature of windows suddenly disappeared, there still is a desktop, windows, multitasking, ... just some fancier start menu that's strange at the start, but works pretty well. and when my family sees me using it, they seem fairly positive, the change to the new system is only a week of getting used to it.
For all the intelligence that people always say is here, why do you all have to act like conservative bigots when it's about windows?? both vista & 8 are decent windowses, and all the fuss about them is just plain ridiculous -_-.
No Chii, that's the planet Albertus Alauda
i mean isn't that the only difficulty of assembling ikea furniture? reading the manual instead of just diving in and hoping you'll figure it out yourself?
of course, then the issue would become how would people be able to comprehend how this bot works, if they don't read manuals, so we'd need a bot to help you read the manual for this bot, but...
hmm, this 'll never work!
why the heck would you want to do that? that's not what the tiles are for, that's what the desktop is for, and it's only 1 click away from the tiles. :p )
It's not like the tiles are the new interface that will replace the desktop. I see metro/tiles as a newer, fancier, tablet friendly start menu, with some interesting functionality. I'm currently using Windows 8 as is, without addons on my desktop pc, and it was a bit strange in the beginning, but i quite like it now. They can probably make some improvements for people who really need a lot of items in their start menu, maybe the ability to make a tile that opens a new set of tiles, so you can have a recursive system again, but besides that it's good, understandable, and both workable for desktop & tablets (and i don't think you would've wanted to use the classic start menu on a tablet
Europe, if i see your prices, i think it's a fraction of what we pay here. i've recently looked at 32-40" tv's, here prices range from 500-1000€ for regular ones, double that if you want 3D
so if you talk about 50 inch, that's several thousands of euros for one here
I'm wondering what the use of these prizes is. I thought most of them were created to help the researches, but if you only get it after you've retired, what's the use?
of course the problem is with newer research that it's hard to estimate its longterm value (and if there was no fraud)
but maybe they should just give these guys a nice medal, and invest the rest of the money in current promising research that probably desperately needs it?
with ME i agree, that sucked (when i personally tried it, i had to get rid of it after half a day since no matter what i did, i couldn't get it on my home network -_- )
but vista and windows 8?
I've used vista both at home and at work for quite a while, and it was just the step between xp and 7. The only vista issue i know of is that aero was ridiculously heavy for the cheap pc's people were buying. But for anyone with a half decent pc (as i'd expect from the slashdot crowd), i'm sure it must've run really well and stable. It was a bit bleeding edge in support (64 bit drivers and pc's that weren't up to the task. But the os itself was very decent and rock solid)
never understood the hate
And now with windows 8 the same shit is happening again "OMG, they changed something!!! HATEHATEHATE". I'm now using windows 8 on my home pc, and i'm not really convinced of metro yet, but for casual home usage, it's no problem at all. The simple new UI and colors are quite nice i think, it gives it a pretty nice lightweight feel. And it may be due to my new pc (although a pretty butget mini itx system) that it's just lightning fast. The entire pc boots to the windows login screen in 11 seconds, and everything just works as it should and very fast. And i stuck to metro to see if it's really the hellhole people make it out to be, and it's ok imo. have been on it for a few months now, and i'm enjoying working on my pc :).
I just don't get this ridiculous hate for the windowses that make some changes. (okay, i can understand it, but i'd hope for a bit more intelligence with IT minded people on places like slashdot)
man, didn't know licenses could negate any law any country can have :) :) )
i'm gonna publish things with a license giving me the right to kill people, claim their first born, rob their houses, etc... (ofcourse worded in incomprehensible legalese
i'll be able to do so much cool and usually illegal stuff since my license says i can :).
Which games are you referring to?
because most of the times i think you can find the retail copy cheaper on sites like amazon than the game is on steam. Of course your local store is more expensive, but that's not the only place you can get the disc-copy retail game from. At least it has been so every time i bothered to look at it. I agree with GP, only the sales are interesting, sometimes.
so i read your comment, and tried to google it, and couldn't find anything...
care to give a link? (or keywords i should google?)
it sounds interesting, but can't seem to find much about it.
I know, this is slashdot, but i still read the article
And i still don't agree with him getting expelled, but the reason was not discovering/disclosing the flaw, but he got in hot water when afterwards he tested if the flaw was still there, and the company developing the software reported the hacking attempt.
It was still a big overreaction that happened afterwards, and he shouldn't have been expelled, but it's not the discovering/reporting of the flaw that got him in trouble, and the article clearly states this!
because noone would ever claim that part of the money you charge is for the manuals...
i don't think you get what he means:
it uses more power when reading/writing
but if your computer writes/reads the same data over a period of time, it'll use less power over that period of time (because as you said, it'll use less energy to perform those actions, over this time period, that's power)
It's maximum power draw is indeed 5X higher, but its average power draw under real workloads will be a lot lower?
Thanx for this post!
I thought microsoft had actually enabled it by default, which would be understandable, but against the spec
But here the user actually makes the choice. it's not on by default, but on if the user chooses to use the express settings (and it's clearly indicated)
Or maybe a bit clearer: If clicking "I agree" under a wall of legalese text is acceptable for everyone to agree to the most outrageous demands of the companies. Then choosing express settings with mentioning clearly in a not "wall of legalese" that you're choosing to block tracking is making a choice to block tracking, not being enabled by default without the user knowing it.
I find it strange that so many here attack microsoft for it. I know we're all supposed to hate them, but here the others are really being total assholes. If eulas are okay, then this too.
because we've seen in the past that the "competitors" wouldn't ever dare to make deals to keep the prices artificially high
Maybe he just wants to go backwards really fast? :)
But always, or only after an other site made a link to it? The point is not whether it shows up in google now, but whether it would have shown up if no site linked it in the first place. And even if it can be found via google, if it has some generic name not saying what's in it, it's still unlikely anyone would find it.
The judge is saying that by hyperlinking it, geenstijl made it findable for everybody. And if that is the case, he might have a point. If them linking actually made it accessible for everybody (why before that it wouldn't have been possible to find those files, or extremely unlikely), then they did more than just linking... Of course you can still argue they didn't upload it, which is also true. But i can understand the decision somewhat (doesn't mean i agree with it). This is different from just linking to a youtube video you could have just as easily found using the search function of youtube.
Not sure which side i'd choose, but it's not so black & white as many here claim it to be.
So you've got to attach 2 capsules with a long cable, and make they make a big circle?
I'll be rich!
no you won't, but your lawyers will be :)
that read it as "Expensive" at first?
How about you start with a product that everyone can use?
Linux is a great hobby project for computer enthousiast. You can change anything, and can get just about every possible thing you can imagine to work. But it takes time, looking around on forums, trial and error, etc...
I've tried linux a few times in the past, and for just basic desktop usage it was fine (still not perfect though, when my pc was having troubles, and i temporarily booted from a ubuntu livecd, it took my mother a whole 15 minutes to get stuck in firefox while browsing, and in all honesty i didn't know enough to get out of it in a nice way euther. I just did ctrl-alt-backspace and logged in again and went back to firefox).
But everything extra, things i can easily do on my windows, just always have to be hard on linux it seems... When my pc was new, and i had the latest and greatest nvidia graphics card. There were no driver binaries, and after lots of trying and reading forums, i still didn''t manage to compile it and get it to run on my ubuntu -_- (yeah, this was two years ago, but lets be honest, it'll still be the same shit now).
You can market it all you want, as long as people who actually try it notice that it's just not polished for your average user, they'll quit, and will share it with their friends, and that'll undo whatever great marketing you did...
Linux is a great product, it's just not aimed at desktop users. Not sure why people so desperately want to target that audience... And if you really want to target them, start by making the product usable by those people without an IT'er who has to be reachable all the time to help them...