I'm sorry, but "yahooka" has nothing whatsoever to do with search engines nor does it even come close to sounding like "yahoo" even phonetically or otherwise.
The Gimp's lack of colour management isn't due to patent problems; it's due to the Gimp being written by people who don't know what they're doing.
What a completely assanine thing to say! Granted, the GIMP does not have all the features that say, Photoshop has, like Pantone, RGB, LAB and CYMK color models. First off, many of those are pantented. Secondly, the GIMP is still new. How long has Photoshop been around? I'm sure in time the GIMP will add other models.
To say that they don't know what they're doing is not right. It may be true for all I know about GIMP internals, but hey...
I haven't seen your name in the GIMP credits nor do I see you writing anything similar!
I for one applaud and THANK the GIMP folks. If it weren't for them, I'd still be bitching that I have to run Windoze to do graphics.
So please, keep really lame comments like this to yourself.
Color management should ideally be a HARDWARE issue and not software at all. Things like monitor temperature, gamma, etc. It should then go to the OS level, where it affects ALL programs that utilize the graphics subsystem (otherwise, what's the sense in calibrating if Photoshop's "red" is different from Corel's "red"). Lastly, the applications themselves should be aware of all of the above and share that data so that each color is the SAME no matter what device it's on. THAT is color management.
Pantone is indeed patented. However, it's a method to name/describe a color in a standardized fashion and doesn't really have anything whatsoever to do with color management.
As for color correction and management, I have news for you. It has to do with a LOT more than just printed media. The "red" you scan should be the "red" you see on-screen which should print out as "red" on that printer or to video tape or to CD...
Hmmm, SGI and/or the Visual PC site is one of the few sites out there I've seen that haven't been "Slashdotted" to death - they're running Netscape Enterprise Server v3.6, probably under Irix. Guess SGI's aren't so "dead" after all.:)
It's a toss-up. As much as I love SGI systems for visual/graphical work, I think I'd still go with a Sun for a Web server - although the Origin and Challenge systems are really nice as such as well.
One of the herd now? Hehehe. That's funny. Really funny.
I suppose everything else SGI does means nothing and will just disappear now, right? Sure. Uh huh. Okay...:)
SGI is still SGI. Just because they release an NT box doesn't mean jack shit. They're cashing in on the burgeoning NT graphical workstation market. It's their job, as visual workstation leader to provide workstations - so why not catch a little of the Wintel crowd?
Yes, they still have the "magic desktop" environment. The SysAdmin tools are pretty good indeed. A little incomplete, but you can do all the important stuff with them.
I don't see them porting Irix to Intel though. Why would/should they? They're "real" boxes aren't going anywwhere...
All the SCSI standards nowadays are annoying as shit. Not to mention termination, adapters, mixed cables and connectors... Bah. Good riddance. Of course I love SCSI over IDE - but I'll take some FireWire.
Yes, SGI has ONE system (two models) with an Intel processor. This is to cash in on the LOW-END market.
"REAL" (read: mid-high end) SGI systems like the O2, Octane, Origin, Onyx and Challenge series will never use an Intel chip and I wouldn't want them to. These are the systems I was talking about when I said "I'd rather use SGI..."
The Merced is too little, too late. Yeah fine it's 64-bit. MIPS and Sparcs have been 64-bit for YEARS. Merced might be nice for future versions of NT, but again - I'd rather use an SGI/Sun running a real OS. Running NT faster is just that - same shit, running faster.
Of course, for Linux - Merced is nice. So is the Alpha. The PowerPC. The MIPS. So many options. Depending on the pricing of Merced, you might want to consider a more mature processor right off the bat - not to mention, like I said, maturity. Merced is a first generation chip in many senses. Will there be legacy instructions on it? Emulation? More crap to slow it down? How big are the caches? MIPS/Sparc CPUs have 4MB of cache on them, some of 'em.
Okay, maybe IRIX' implementation of NFS is a turd. I've noticed that at home using NFS between my Linux and SGI boxen.
As for most everything else, IRIX runs just great. It scales well and is for the most part pretty standard.
SGI not being smart in moving to NT? Are you serious? They hope to cash in on the low-end where people are using NT-based 3D software. People with a clue and some cash will still use an Octane/Onyx system with Maya. I for one wouldn't buy this box and run NT if I could avoid it - I'd go straight to an Octane. However not every company/person can afford this and must resort to using NT. I fall into this category too - until 3D Studio Max is ported to something other than NT, I'm stuck - but this would be THE machine to use for it.
SGI isn't dumb. They're covering the full spectrum, that's all.
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I'm sorry, but "yahooka" has nothing whatsoever to do with search engines nor does it even come close to sounding like "yahoo" even phonetically or otherwise.
Go pick on Lycos or something.
...I'd rather wear a "Vote for Quayle" shirt. :)
Be glad there's one more Linux site out there and stop being so critical. At least their site works.
What a completely assanine thing to say! Granted, the GIMP does not have all the features that say, Photoshop has, like Pantone, RGB, LAB and CYMK color models. First off, many of those are pantented. Secondly, the GIMP is still new. How long has Photoshop been around? I'm sure in time the GIMP will add other models.
To say that they don't know what they're doing is not right. It may be true for all I know about GIMP internals, but hey...
I haven't seen your name in the GIMP credits nor do I see you writing anything similar!
I for one applaud and THANK the GIMP folks. If it weren't for them, I'd still be bitching that I have to run Windoze to do graphics.
So please, keep really lame comments like this to yourself.
Pantone is indeed patented. However, it's a method to name/describe a color in a standardized fashion and doesn't really have anything whatsoever to do with color management.
As for color correction and management, I have news for you. It has to do with a LOT more than just printed media. The "red" you scan should be the "red" you see on-screen which should print out as "red" on that printer or to video tape or to CD...
It's a toss-up. As much as I love SGI systems for visual/graphical work, I think I'd still go with a Sun for a Web server - although the Origin and Challenge systems are really nice as such as well.
Just good to know that SGI can't be /.'ed. :)
If he was using NT, I'd say it surely would be a "big bang" theory... Heh. It would be off by 2.26 million years (Pentium bug). :)
Did you forget about the SGI's waaaaay better bus? Video sub-system? Internal bandwidth?
I suppose everything else SGI does means nothing and will just disappear now, right? Sure. Uh huh. Okay... :)
SGI is still SGI. Just because they release an NT box doesn't mean jack shit. They're cashing in on the burgeoning NT graphical workstation market. It's their job, as visual workstation leader to provide workstations - so why not catch a little of the Wintel crowd?
I don't see them porting Irix to Intel though. Why would/should they? They're "real" boxes aren't going anywwhere...
SGI is dead!
MIPS is gone!
Merced will run Crays!
Hehehe.
Hackers were used in Desert Storm, dude.
Yeah, exactly... Hot plug and play is nice. RAID I think would still be a manufacturer option though, no?
Not like a keyboard, speaker, mouse or even a modem would even put a dent that bandwidth.
All the SCSI standards nowadays are annoying as shit. Not to mention termination, adapters, mixed cables and connectors... Bah. Good riddance. Of course I love SCSI over IDE - but I'll take some FireWire.
"REAL" (read: mid-high end) SGI systems like the O2, Octane, Origin, Onyx and Challenge series will never use an Intel chip and I wouldn't want them to. These are the systems I was talking about when I said "I'd rather use SGI..."
The Merced is too little, too late. Yeah fine it's 64-bit. MIPS and Sparcs have been 64-bit for YEARS. Merced might be nice for future versions of NT, but again - I'd rather use an SGI/Sun running a real OS. Running NT faster is just that - same shit, running faster.
Of course, for Linux - Merced is nice. So is the Alpha. The PowerPC. The MIPS. So many options. Depending on the pricing of Merced, you might want to consider a more mature processor right off the bat - not to mention, like I said, maturity. Merced is a first generation chip in many senses. Will there be legacy instructions on it? Emulation? More crap to slow it down? How big are the caches? MIPS/Sparc CPUs have 4MB of cache on them, some of 'em.
I don't need another Intel microwave/space heater.
I'm sticking with SGI/Sun equipment. Intel can go bugger.
Unless bonehead got off his ass and started seriously producing some film. At the rate he's going...
An VPC won't touch an Octane. No way. Not as long as the VPC runs NT.
As for most everything else, IRIX runs just great. It scales well and is for the most part pretty standard.
SGI not being smart in moving to NT? Are you serious? They hope to cash in on the low-end where people are using NT-based 3D software. People with a clue and some cash will still use an Octane/Onyx system with Maya. I for one wouldn't buy this box and run NT if I could avoid it - I'd go straight to an Octane. However not every company/person can afford this and must resort to using NT. I fall into this category too - until 3D Studio Max is ported to something other than NT, I'm stuck - but this would be THE machine to use for it.
SGI isn't dumb. They're covering the full spectrum, that's all.
SGI is not "just another kewl box maker" or do they give a shit about "kewl warez."
SGI makes real boxes for real use. Use a PC to make your warez copies.