I'm going to change that at our place, however. This article is quite enlightening.
Perhaps the Federal Government needs to make it a law that this be concealed on all apps until the employer is actually willing to do a background check at which time they will show due diligence in protecting that info.
The above poster is referring to that awful Fairness Doctrine that Democrats are trying to bring back, as well as this onerous new blogger law-that-almost-was. I have a long liberal posting history and I agree, the Republicans did good today. The Democrats really, really screwed up.
I've been saying this for quite a while... America does best with the Democrats steering America and a strong Republican minority slamming on the political antilock brakes when the Democrats start driving recklessly. Today is a good example of that.
Animal slaughter, murder, theft, every element of violence and reckless disregard for human life wrapped up in one game. That's worse than the Columbine RPG! *faints*
I can't contribute to working on a cure because I'm not a scientist. You can't help cancer research if you're not a scientist. What part of that are you not getting? I help fund them by donating to cancer based charities, but I can't do any meaningful research.
We should not, however, have to beg cancer research charity money while Halliburton gets multibillion dollar no-bid military contracts and airlines get taxpayer funded bankruptcy bailouts.
Is it possible for your argument to be any further off base?
Why not just expose who the source of funding is for these critics, or who they're affiliated with? Quite often that's just as devastating, and it's far less chilling as far as free speech is concerned.
I spent a lot of time early on walking through HR and sitting in on interview processes and their aftermaths to let HR understand beyond any uncertain terms where I stand as their manager and what I expect out of them.
I have a simple rule that I demand they abide be. Pay is proportional to proven skill level. Age can kiss my ass. A 14 year old coder of the newest and greatest Firefox or a middle aged old hand, or someone who's been in my organization for x years and who has been lukewarm and suddenly caught on fire, it's all the same. When the light comes on it must shine on a hill and not be stuffed under a rug.
I'd develop a cure first, and then worry about money later. Because scientists and corporate CEOs get cancer, too. So can I. The fact that this cancer drug isn't being developed is a detriment to capitalists and communists alike.
Now, while you're chewing on that, allow me to introduce you to an age old, time tested and proven fact: necessity is the mother of invention, not profits. One can imagine where humanity would be if Ooga Booga had waited for patents and profits to come in before inventing the wheel.
People invent things whether or not profit is involved. See: the open source movement.
I now return you to your profits before people wet dream.
Republican ideals are bankrupt, that's why they lost. The scandals hastened the inevitable.
The problem for Democrats is that they need to learn how to win elections. They don't need a fairness doctrine. They need a solid plan, and right now I think they're doing that. They won a lot of Republicans over (relatively speaking) for the recent minimum wage & prescription drug negotiation votes in Congress. Republicans in Congress are mad at being bullied by the radical Right.
Democrats have the power, now they need to speak softly and carry a big stick and concentrate on giving some relief to those bullied Republicans and not treating them like The Enemy[tm]. If the Democrats also give the working class a few victories, they'll own Congress for another 50 years. If they fail to do so, then no amount of Fairness Doctrine in the world will save them.
By sheer weight of scandals or by losing the war of ideas, you can own the media and still lose elections. That much has been proven.
BTW if the Liberals take more Congressional seats I'm voting GOP for President... God forbid we ever have a 1 party Government again. Ever.
STILL couldn't hold control of Congress or many state Governorships.
The American people made their decision independently of Faux News & Rush Limbaugh. As a liberal I oppose the Fairness Doctrine. We don't need such an arbitrary system.
In comparative terms - yes it is low skilled. It requires only minimal education and not specific skills.
But paralegal work is required for higher skilled legal work. It's a gateway job to a lot of other jobs. Take that overseas and you cause a ton of higher end jobs to be un-fillable because no one can acquire the gateway skills experience. This is happening right now in the tech industry.
Right this minute corporations are whining about the lack of high skilled IT people and it's because new IT people can no longer get lower end jobs that will train them up to higher end jobs. That's happening right now.
I look forward to it - providing cheaper surgury will make it easier for more people to get life saving surgery. How is this a bad thing? Sure some doctors will suffer - but everyone else benefits, thats the nature of innovation and progress.
As jobs leave the country like this, collective consumer buying power collapses.
The consumer activity you're seeing now is heavily dependent upon credit cards and the equity in people's homes. In other words, lots of refinancing. Lots and lots of it. Eventually, as the new jobs continue to fail to make up for the lost jobs, this will stop, as consumer bankruptcies, already at an all time high right now *, pick up even more speed.
When that happens, the US dollar will drop even faster, foreign debt holders will call in their debts, and the US economy will collapse.
* --> we're at this point right now. The typical response of the economic ostrich is, "the sky can't possibly fall, it's blue and it's so pretty today."
There are still plenty of entry level jobs at high end firms. Microsoft, Intel, Google, Apple, Amazon, etc, etc, etc still hire thousands of people straight out of college. I have never worked for a company that didn't have entry level positions - and we are only talking about high tech. The outsourcing is primarily happening at large firms (which are a small percentage of total jobs). Smaller firms still have plenty of jobs in house where it is possible to learn and aquire skills in order to get ahead.
Please show me these jobs. I oversee HR (and everyone else here) and we watch Monster, Dice, Hotjobs, etc. to see what our competition is offering to compete against us for talent. Few people, if anyone out there, are looking for entry level work at any wage, and I will go to work tomorrow and walk past a persistent 20 person line standing out in 30 degree weather (absolutely antarctic by California standards) - people armed with resumes with 5+ years of experience offering to be paid minimum wage for software testing.
That's just plain bullshit. The people who don't get hired will have all these great tech skills and they'll be forced to work for minimum wage at Wal Mart.
The loss of jobs isn't irrelevant when it's your job.
And the current trend is offshoring is moving up from blue collar jobs to white collar jobs. I dare you to tell any paralegal that their job - which is also moving offshore - is low skilled.
Tele surgery, when it matures, will really ram the point home.
And the lower costs don't help Americans who lose their jobs - where do you get the job experience to qualify for the "jobs that are replacing them"?
How do you become a higher end anything when you can't get the lower end job experience?
Well, I do have a heart. I have been to business seminars and have lectured other employers about the evils of googling their employees. I was talking about the past when I talked about being hard pressed. You see, I go to networking events via meetup.com. The last 2 times I've included a 10 minute mini seminar on online defamation and the dangers of googling applicants.
My tools are a PDF file about Joe Applicant, and a projector.
Joe has all kinds of outrageous comments on USENET and MySpace and even drops some personally identifying things so you know which Joe this really is.
The audience, some of whom are actually employers, after about the 3rd or 4th page, all unanimously decide this guy shouldn't be hired.
Then the next shoe drops.
The next slide is John Doe and his anonymous remailers that he uses to post to USENET, and his use of http://boxofprox.com/ to view the web (MySpace included), and his http://myway.com/ or http://10minutemail.com/ account that he uses to register his MySpace account. They see the details of how he poses as Joe and says all kinds of plausibly crazy crap to make the guy unlikeable.
Unanimously unhireable quickly turns to unanimous "oops, we fucked up" and "WTF OMFG, can we somehow be sued for this somewhere down the line?"
One time one of these guys came back and told me he googled himself and found that someone had did something like this to him. The next seminar I will have him as a witness that this did in fact actually happen and that I'm not just scaremongering.
Now we're going to include youtube education, too.
I plan on taking this public service announcement nationwide, because while you and I feel these Grinches should be fired, the reality is, they rule corporate America. I know. I rub elbows with these people, which is why I started doing these 10 minute presentations.
Finally, even with shameful acts, there is the idea that the punishment should fit the crime. What if you stumble home drunk, piss on your car, and collapse in your doorway. Now, first of all, that's pretty pathetic, and you probably deserve ridicule. But that ridicule should come from friends and neighbours. Should that video go online, where your employer might see it? Does it have your name on it? What if it affects future employment opportunities?
How about I sit within surveillance distance of any party and start filming drunken behavior and post out of context clips.
Dude throws up whenever he's around a woman (hello, Dna2?), news on Youtube @11, oh yeah I forgot to mention - he was drunk at a party, and no one knows who I (the cameraman) am because I thoroughly washed and scrubbed all potential personal details from the video and posted it using some future high bandwidth version of http://www.boxofprox.com./ So much for a libel suit.
Good one about the nose scratching thing.
The devastating plans that can come from exploiting youtube this way are just in their infancy. In a year you will see terrors that will freeze your soul and make you a friggin hermit.
If you're in a restaurant and need to make an important call the polite thing to do would be get up and go to the restroom lobby or outside and make the call.
You do make a good point about being "held hostage to anyone's momentary whims". Another post made reference to "noise". At some point only the most extreme cases will be used to try and cause shame. All others will be ignored and viewed by such a small number of people that they won't be shamed.
And how do you know that the idiot close enough to film you for that minor infraction is not psychopathic enough to lean over and spit in your food while you're gone? These people, by definition of their behavior, are crazy enough to do that. Or, should I use the more accurate word... fanatical... dictatorial... stodgy, hateful, spiteful, mean spirited, utterly lacking a life of their own... People who expose you online for making/taking a call in a restaurant need themselves to be checked in somewhere for their own good.. and ours.
As for some videos being ignored... no, not really. I'm a top manager at a really big small business (yes, contradiction there) and I know all about investigating applicants. I know my underling managers and I'd be hard pressed to hire someone who would see someone being humiliated online over some minor shit and not laugh at it and then see this person as a total joke and not a potential employee. It happens everywhere. Almost everyone is mentally at the point of doing that now.
They were actually set up for it by Reality TV.
Come back and visit this post in 5 years. You'll be shocked and awed by how much worse things have gotten by then than my dire predictions today. 5 years.
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Why do we need a license for that?
As long as you don't interfere with someone else's communications, there's no need for a license.
Big Brother is bad enough with not allowing encryption, but requiring a license, well that itself was the foot in the door.
But we managers do this anyway.
I'm going to change that at our place, however. This article is quite enlightening.
Perhaps the Federal Government needs to make it a law that this be concealed on all apps until the employer is actually willing to do a background check at which time they will show due diligence in protecting that info.
If it isn't the hackers trying to break into your system, it's Google's marketing partners getting exclusive access to your communications.
Forget that, I'd rather have my own mail server at home, not to mention my own apps at home. I don't even trust ISP's.
This "offsite word processing" crap is for chumps - anyone with sensitive data would be utter idiots to go there.
The above poster is referring to that awful Fairness Doctrine that Democrats are trying to bring back, as well as this onerous new blogger law-that-almost-was. I have a long liberal posting history and I agree, the Republicans did good today. The Democrats really, really screwed up.
I've been saying this for quite a while... America does best with the Democrats steering America and a strong Republican minority slamming on the political antilock brakes when the Democrats start driving recklessly. Today is a good example of that.
Animal slaughter, murder, theft, every element of violence and reckless disregard for human life wrapped up in one game. That's worse than the Columbine RPG! *faints*
What if you're a soldier and mine sweeper makes you recall an incident where a mine killed your best buddy right next to you?
I can't contribute to working on a cure because I'm not a scientist. You can't help cancer research if you're not a scientist. What part of that are you not getting? I help fund them by donating to cancer based charities, but I can't do any meaningful research.
We should not, however, have to beg cancer research charity money while Halliburton gets multibillion dollar no-bid military contracts and airlines get taxpayer funded bankruptcy bailouts.
Is it possible for your argument to be any further off base?
Exposing someone's connections and possible motivations for their claims is called lynching?
Where I come from, lynching involves a rope, a tree and probably a torch or two. What does 'lynch' mean on your planet?
I believe that global warming is caused in part by humans, not because I'm a liberal, but because I have a brain.
Having a brain also makes me adverse to yanking a scientist's certs for anything other than cheating, plagiarism, etc.
I cringe at behavior like this.
Why not just expose who the source of funding is for these critics, or who they're affiliated with? Quite often that's just as devastating, and it's far less chilling as far as free speech is concerned.
The troops at Kent State.
The Klan.
Timothy McVeigh.
Abu Ghraib.
Abortion clinic bombers.
Yup, all radical leftists!
I spent a lot of time early on walking through HR and sitting in on interview processes and their aftermaths to let HR understand beyond any uncertain terms where I stand as their manager and what I expect out of them.
I have a simple rule that I demand they abide be. Pay is proportional to proven skill level. Age can kiss my ass. A 14 year old coder of the newest and greatest Firefox or a middle aged old hand, or someone who's been in my organization for x years and who has been lukewarm and suddenly caught on fire, it's all the same. When the light comes on it must shine on a hill and not be stuffed under a rug.
I'd develop a cure first, and then worry about money later. Because scientists and corporate CEOs get cancer, too. So can I. The fact that this cancer drug isn't being developed is a detriment to capitalists and communists alike.
Now, while you're chewing on that, allow me to introduce you to an age old, time tested and proven fact: necessity is the mother of invention, not profits. One can imagine where humanity would be if Ooga Booga had waited for patents and profits to come in before inventing the wheel.
People invent things whether or not profit is involved. See: the open source movement.
I now return you to your profits before people wet dream.
They can own the patent on the drug and then sell treatments to the very highest bidder.
The rich get cancer treatments.
The rest drop dead.
Zip yourself back up, dude.
Republican ideals are bankrupt, that's why they lost. The scandals hastened the inevitable.
The problem for Democrats is that they need to learn how to win elections. They don't need a fairness doctrine. They need a solid plan, and right now I think they're doing that. They won a lot of Republicans over (relatively speaking) for the recent minimum wage & prescription drug negotiation votes in Congress. Republicans in Congress are mad at being bullied by the radical Right.
Democrats have the power, now they need to speak softly and carry a big stick and concentrate on giving some relief to those bullied Republicans and not treating them like The Enemy[tm]. If the Democrats also give the working class a few victories, they'll own Congress for another 50 years. If they fail to do so, then no amount of Fairness Doctrine in the world will save them.
By sheer weight of scandals or by losing the war of ideas, you can own the media and still lose elections. That much has been proven.
BTW if the Liberals take more Congressional seats I'm voting GOP for President... God forbid we ever have a 1 party Government again. Ever.
STILL couldn't hold control of Congress or many state Governorships.
The American people made their decision independently of Faux News & Rush Limbaugh. As a liberal I oppose the Fairness Doctrine. We don't need such an arbitrary system.
But paralegal work is required for higher skilled legal work. It's a gateway job to a lot of other jobs. Take that overseas and you cause a ton of higher end jobs to be un-fillable because no one can acquire the gateway skills experience. This is happening right now in the tech industry.
Right this minute corporations are whining about the lack of high skilled IT people and it's because new IT people can no longer get lower end jobs that will train them up to higher end jobs. That's happening right now.
As jobs leave the country like this, collective consumer buying power collapses.
The consumer activity you're seeing now is heavily dependent upon credit cards and the equity in people's homes. In other words, lots of refinancing. Lots and lots of it. Eventually, as the new jobs continue to fail to make up for the lost jobs, this will stop, as consumer bankruptcies, already at an all time high right now *, pick up even more speed.
When that happens, the US dollar will drop even faster, foreign debt holders will call in their debts, and the US economy will collapse.
* --> we're at this point right now. The typical response of the economic ostrich is, "the sky can't possibly fall, it's blue and it's so pretty today."
Please show me these jobs. I oversee HR (and everyone else here) and we watch Monster, Dice, Hotjobs, etc. to see what our competition is offering to compete against us for talent. Few people, if anyone out there, are looking for entry level work at any wage, and I will go to work tomorrow and walk past a persistent 20 person line standing out in 30 degree weather (absolutely antarctic by California standards) - people armed with resumes with 5+ years of experience offering to be paid minimum wage for software testing.
That's just plain bullshit. The people who don't get hired will have all these great tech skills and they'll be forced to work for minimum wage at Wal Mart.
America has the most educated unemployed population in the world, even in 2007.
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/02_3
This sounds like someone who has actually enjoyed music and studied it rather than put a thinly veiled racist ideological spin on it.
Non predominantly white music has had no major influence in the last 30 years?
Hmmmmmm.
I knew there was a reason why you guys hated rap...
The loss of jobs isn't irrelevant when it's your job.
And the current trend is offshoring is moving up from blue collar jobs to white collar jobs. I dare you to tell any paralegal that their job - which is also moving offshore - is low skilled.
Tele surgery, when it matures, will really ram the point home.
And the lower costs don't help Americans who lose their jobs - where do you get the job experience to qualify for the "jobs that are replacing them"?
How do you become a higher end anything when you can't get the lower end job experience?
I wrote it too ambiguously. You had every right to reply like you did.
Cell phone snobs are one thing, but people recording them and putting their PERSONAL INFORMATION online is even worse.
And putting that woman's conversation with her doctor online may be a violation of HIPAA.
Well, I do have a heart. I have been to business seminars and have lectured other employers about the evils of googling their employees. I was talking about the past when I talked about being hard pressed. You see, I go to networking events via meetup.com. The last 2 times I've included a 10 minute mini seminar on online defamation and the dangers of googling applicants.
My tools are a PDF file about Joe Applicant, and a projector.
Joe has all kinds of outrageous comments on USENET and MySpace and even drops some personally identifying things so you know which Joe this really is.
The audience, some of whom are actually employers, after about the 3rd or 4th page, all unanimously decide this guy shouldn't be hired.
Then the next shoe drops.
The next slide is John Doe and his anonymous remailers that he uses to post to USENET, and his use of http://boxofprox.com/ to view the web (MySpace included), and his http://myway.com/ or http://10minutemail.com/ account that he uses to register his MySpace account. They see the details of how he poses as Joe and says all kinds of plausibly crazy crap to make the guy unlikeable.
Unanimously unhireable quickly turns to unanimous "oops, we fucked up" and "WTF OMFG, can we somehow be sued for this somewhere down the line?"
One time one of these guys came back and told me he googled himself and found that someone had did something like this to him. The next seminar I will have him as a witness that this did in fact actually happen and that I'm not just scaremongering.
Now we're going to include youtube education, too.
I plan on taking this public service announcement nationwide, because while you and I feel these Grinches should be fired, the reality is, they rule corporate America. I know. I rub elbows with these people, which is why I started doing these 10 minute presentations.
How about I sit within surveillance distance of any party and start filming drunken behavior and post out of context clips.
Dude throws up whenever he's around a woman (hello, Dna2?), news on Youtube @11, oh yeah I forgot to mention - he was drunk at a party, and no one knows who I (the cameraman) am because I thoroughly washed and scrubbed all potential personal details from the video and posted it using some future high bandwidth version of http://www.boxofprox.com./ So much for a libel suit.
Good one about the nose scratching thing.
The devastating plans that can come from exploiting youtube this way are just in their infancy. In a year you will see terrors that will freeze your soul and make you a friggin hermit.
Stock up on red utility tape now.
And how do you know that the idiot close enough to film you for that minor infraction is not psychopathic enough to lean over and spit in your food while you're gone? These people, by definition of their behavior, are crazy enough to do that. Or, should I use the more accurate word... fanatical... dictatorial... stodgy, hateful, spiteful, mean spirited, utterly lacking a life of their own... People who expose you online for making/taking a call in a restaurant need themselves to be checked in somewhere for their own good.. and ours.
As for some videos being ignored... no, not really. I'm a top manager at a really big small business (yes, contradiction there) and I know all about investigating applicants. I know my underling managers and I'd be hard pressed to hire someone who would see someone being humiliated online over some minor shit and not laugh at it and then see this person as a total joke and not a potential employee. It happens everywhere. Almost everyone is mentally at the point of doing that now.
They were actually set up for it by Reality TV.
Come back and visit this post in 5 years. You'll be shocked and awed by how much worse things have gotten by then than my dire predictions today. 5 years.