One guy comes up on you and starts trash talking you for no reason, and you get pissed off and cuss back at them. Someone else, their teammate, is filming you.
Tomorrow, the part where you cussed back at them, is put on Youtube, but not the part where they provoked you.
Now those millions of people you mentioned, believe that you're wrong or bad or undesirable or innapropriate.
I know. I did this to an obnoxious jock way back in college before youtube was a twinkle in God's eye. Back then USENET was youtube.
There is nothing shameful about sitting at a restaurant and remembering that you need to call your doctor.
Some asshat posting that information online - along with your personal info - is just trying to bully you into behaving the way they want you to, for no good reason.
You're now watching your back and altering your behavior not just to serve the arbitrary and wildly capricious standard of "normalness" to avoid being ridiculed, but in fact you're held hostage to anyone's momentary whims that may have nothing to do with enforcing normalcy.
If they see you stumbling at a bus stop they can post it and cause your equally immature and whimsical customers who might have seen you on youtube, to refuse to do business. That's damaging.
We have already reached the end game of the surveillance state. Rejoice - a great reckoning is due very soon and I'm not kidding.
Ruth of Ruth Chris' steak house mortgaged her home for 23k (had 242million in income last year - also going international). Chris Gardner was played by Will Smith recently in his life-movie - I assume you can look up other examples?
Chris Gardner spent a lot of time being homeless, too. Starting your own business is a huge gamble in which most fail - you being a case in point.
Adapt.
That's like sending an astronaut into space without a suit on and telling him to breathe. Why don't you quit your cozy corporate job right now and adapt? Oh wait, you tried that and you failed!
There ISN'T another way if you're an American - short of socialism. Period.
I'd rather be a socialist than a Scrooge-like Libertarian. Oh wait, we just elected a socialist to the US Senate. How many of you bugfuck crazy Libertarians have we elected yet? None? You mean no one likes you people? Wow. I'm so shocked. We don't like electing people who fail.
That has what to do with outsourcing?
You're kidding me, right? Are your reasoning skills that bad? Maybe that's why your business failed.
Your social security number being used to defraud you is a problem caused (and preventable) by the US government capitulating to credit card and marketing companies over your right to privacy.
But the Government forcing credit card and marketing companies to guard your privacy is.. *gasp* market interference. That's socialism! You infidel!!!
(And the CIA would come to get me if the "perps" were in India by way of Bangalore for an attack in Iraq, dumbass. CIA = International. FBI = Domestic.)
Wrong again, Gomer Pyle. The FBI routinely nails US citizens accused of any terrorist act. If you're abroad the CIA assassinates you.
Black Sheep Coffee House - failed on start up (or rather prior) because I didn't dare put down the 30k I needed for a business loan.
Translation: YOU FAILED!!! (and not only that but I could also look up your personal information given that business name alone. You DID file a fictitious business name notification with the newspaper, didn't you? Oh hell. You didn't? Oh that's jail time, bub!)
Not only did YOU FAIL!!! but you failed because you were too lily livered scared. Too scared to put down the money you needed for a business loan. That doesn't sound like what a marine would do. A marine isn't even scared of enemy gunfire, but you just admitted to being too scared to cough up a measley $30K. Feathers fall off your butt when you walk to work dude.
All this big talk from you about adapting, and then you confess to not being able to do it yourself because you didn't dare put down the money you needed to succeed. The only thing you learned in the marines was taking a gun and shooting yourself in all five toes with one shot.
Big talk and no walk - it's always the same with your kind.
Currently working for a (top 100) financial services company in IT, and looking forward to my severance if it ever gets outsourced so I can try it again. (Not a coffee house - something else)
So you surrendered before the big fight and now you grovel for your corporate master, preaching his almighty right to screw over the American worker who made his ass great to begin with, preaching to the rest of us to adapt in ways that you have proven unable to.
Look, Gomer Pyle, when you actually start a business that succeeds, then we can discuss the astronomical odds against the survival of a new business, and how these business successes that you mentioned, are a stone cold statistical anomaly and not the norm. But as it stands, you were there, and YOU FAILED BECAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD!!!!!! so you're in no position to lecture the rest of us a
It's not. I'm not aware that anyone thinks it is... in fact, I can't even begin to fathom where that comment comes from, so I'll just leave it.
Someone made that remark right in this thread. I responded to them.
Don't get me wrong Trav - I appreciate that you're defending America in the best way you know how. But I'm an American too, and quite frankly, you're embarrassing me with your fear of losing any job from outsourcing. You're an American. Be American by having the courage to stand up and compete - get with your newly unemployed friends and make a better product [you always said you could do it better, right?], provide better service, be smarter, more flexible, invent something, create a new market, whatever. Hire only US citizens if you want to, but for hell's sakes don't bitch about what other people, American or not, are or aren't doing.
1) How are people supposed to eat and pay rent while they're making this new company?
2) CEOs in India are soon going to undercut CEOs in America. It will cost American companies far more to innovate much less manufacture the same product as it would in India, once they start making their companies there. There is not one single innovation that can be achieved here that can't be discovered there, cheaper. Not one. That will come back to bite you on the ass. Don't believe me? Ask Chevrolet & Ford about Toyota.
3) You're a retard, not a marine. Offshoring isn't taking away drive through fast food jobs. They're taking away BIOTECH RESEARCH jobs, IT jobs and financial accounting jobs.
4) When your social security number is used in Bangalore to defraud you, guess what? The FBI will not ever, not even in 1 million years, be able to help you. Because the perps are in India. Worse yet? They'll use the money to blow up your buddies in Iraq and the FBI will come get you because they'll think you did it.
5) What company have you started?
You're an embarrassment to your country. You don't even care about this country. You aren't even smart enough to realize which kinds of jobs are leaving this country. You're just a trust fund baby raised by parents who made their money working at US factories. You inherited your wealth and if you were to lose it... you would have to join the Marines to get a job.
This sounds like a classic good way to secure investment:
a) show actual proof of product concept (well, let's hope it is actual) b) get investment c) ??? oh wait, ??? is now solved... investments lead to factory production! d) profit!!!
News Flash: there are more than one race of people in East India. So why is anti-offshoring "Racism" against east indians?
As for protectionism... I don't apologize for protecting my own country and my own workers where the market for servicing our own country is concerned.
America doesn't export, it imports. We stand to lose everything and gain absolutely nothing in globalism. If globalism went away tomorrow we'd have our jobs. The work has to be done somewhere. I care about my country before I care about others, just like I care about my family first. I do not ever apologize for that.
If you want to build an industry then build it yourself like we did.
Then the workers over there ascend to management and get the enterpreneurial spirit and form their own companies using their knowledge of US intellectual property.
They then compete against us with a knockoff product made by offshore workers managed by cheap offshore managers overseen by offshore CEOs.
If you can't get an entry level programming job because it has gone overseas, how do you get the experience to become a senior programmer, and then a team lead?
Or do these team leads have no programming experience at all? *eek*
Try moving to India some time. Tons of East Indian people come here.
Offshored jobs aren't replaced by better ones - they're replaced by low paying service jobs. There are a flood of high end jobs that no applicant in America is qualified to fill: you can't get those jobs without lower end job experience and you can't get lower end job experience anymore because it has all gone overseas.
Now, I suspect you'll be telling me all these success stories about college students paying for plane tickets to India and how they bribed Government officials to get work visas to work at these offshored jobs so they could get the experience they needed to work at the high end jobs in the US. It should make an interesting read!
Most of the jobs going overseas are high skilled jobs - software testing is not a low skilled job, nor are the network admin or programming jobs that are going overseas.
Accounting, legal and even radiology jobs are going over as well. I dare you to tell any of them that they're low skilled.
You have to get a work visa, which they won't let you have, then learn their language, and then you have to have "East India experience"... which means the company won't even hire you if you're an American. East India doesn't have antidiscrimination laws.
Or workplace safety laws.
Or pollution laws.
Which is why these companies go offshore: they can be as dirty, abusive and discriminative as any psychopath wants to be, without fear of regulation.
Say hello to undermining the entire credibility of western civilization.
Or: if you want to be competitive in the global economy, you will one day be reduced to living with 8 other people in a one-room, dirt-floored shack, making a fraction of what you could make today, while trying to pay for skyrocketing health care when your body is utterly destroyed by sulphur emissions, smog and polluted water.
UbuntuDupe says that because some high paying IT jobs were lost overseas and were replaced by minimum wage or barely above minimum wage service jobs, we've scored a victory in the jobs arena?
That's BS.
That's called underemployment - the total reduction of an educated, skilled workforce to menial labor which itself can be automated.
That means a loss of buying power which means that in the end, those SAME Northwest LA drycleaners will be hurting for customers.
Americans can't pursue these jobs overseas. The jobs are for companies that are serving Americans. Offshoring denies Americans jobs that serve Americans. Because of where they're born, ironically. Offshoring is the belief that it's more virtuous to hire a foreigner to serve American customers, than to hire an American to serve American customers.
That's as not so thinly veiled racist as racist can possibly get.
Offshoring IT means new people will never get into the industry at all.
IT now demands high level network administrators and accomplished programmers. Americans cannot reach that level of expertise without starting out as a lower level programmer, software tester, sysadmin, tech support person, etc. - and those jobs have gone overseas.
The higher level jobs can't be filled because no new qualified workers are coming into the US workforce, and the qualified people are entrenched in jobs they won't leave, or are afraid to leave. And yes, before you say otherwise, I know this. I am a data center manager and I see our ads go unfilled constantly. Which is why since before this data center came up, I kept our jobs from going overseas and made sure we grow our talent right here, in house. My lead network administratress started out as our receptionist and then a tech support rep, then a tester, then a sysadmin, then a network admin. At other companies, that ain't gonna happen. Ever.
So no, another job was not created here - except low paying service jobs like Wal Mart cashiers, and super high end jobs that newcomer Americans can never qualify for.
It took me 5 seconds to ask a simple question: When the oil runs out, then what?
They'll be unemployed again, that's what. Plus, on top of that, they'll have more diseases than they had before, and the land will be even more useless because of pollution, too.
Let us recap the supporting facts, shall we?
Oil workers, for example, and soldiers protecting them are a magnet for prostitution, contributing to a surge in HIV and teenage pregnancy, both targets in the Gates Foundation's efforts to ease the ills of society, especially among the poor. Oil bore holes fill with stagnant water, which is ideal for mosquitoes that spread malaria, one of the diseases the foundation is fighting.
Investigators for Dr. Nonyenim Solomon Enyidah, health commissioner for Rivers State, where Ebocha is located, cite an oil spill clogging rivers as a cause of cholera, another scourge the foundation is battling. The rivers, Enyidah said, "became breeding grounds for all kinds of waterborne diseases."
The bright, sooty gas flares -- which contain toxic byproducts such as benzene, mercury and chromium -- lower immunity, Enyidah said, and make children such as Justice Eta more susceptible to polio and measles -- the diseases that the Gates Foundation has helped to inoculate him against.
Trading in your health for a job never works out for the better in the end.
Corporations don't engage in charitable acts for anyone's good. They do this to avoid paying taxes.
Like most philanthropies, the Gates Foundation gives away at least 5% of its worth every year, to avoid paying most taxes. In 2005, it granted nearly $1.4 billion. It awards grants mainly in support of global health initiatives, for efforts to improve public education in the United States, and for social welfare programs in the Pacific Northwest.
Again, how can that parent post be insightful, in light of the glaringly obvious and contradictory facts?
Again, you make the same mistake. The price of milk is HIGH because of a subsidy called a price floor. Or, well, a facet of corporate welfare, however you want to call it. The price floor is to ensure that milk is produced domestically and not imported.
I really hope you are not Travoltus in disguise, Mr. AC... I was hoping for better.
Oh for the love of God, if I want to respond to you, I'll respond to.
What on Earth makes you think I ever have to hide? Does it not occur that more than one person sees that your premise is flawed, and that your whole house of cards argument is doomed?
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How about this one.
One guy comes up on you and starts trash talking you for no reason, and you get pissed off and cuss back at them. Someone else, their teammate, is filming you.
Tomorrow, the part where you cussed back at them, is put on Youtube, but not the part where they provoked you.
Now those millions of people you mentioned, believe that you're wrong or bad or undesirable or innapropriate.
I know. I did this to an obnoxious jock way back in college before youtube was a twinkle in God's eye. Back then USENET was youtube.
The end result of all this is forced conformity.
There is nothing shameful about sitting at a restaurant and remembering that you need to call your doctor.
Some asshat posting that information online - along with your personal info - is just trying to bully you into behaving the way they want you to, for no good reason.
You're now watching your back and altering your behavior not just to serve the arbitrary and wildly capricious standard of "normalness" to avoid being ridiculed, but in fact you're held hostage to anyone's momentary whims that may have nothing to do with enforcing normalcy.
If they see you stumbling at a bus stop they can post it and cause your equally immature and whimsical customers who might have seen you on youtube, to refuse to do business. That's damaging.
We have already reached the end game of the surveillance state. Rejoice - a great reckoning is due very soon and I'm not kidding.
completely screw up The Hobbit, cause it to go straight to DVD, and then Bob Shaye can change his name to treboR Rushdie...
Chris Gardner spent a lot of time being homeless, too. Starting your own business is a huge gamble in which most fail - you being a case in point.
That's like sending an astronaut into space without a suit on and telling him to breathe. Why don't you quit your cozy corporate job right now and adapt? Oh wait, you tried that and you failed!
I'd rather be a socialist than a Scrooge-like Libertarian.
Oh wait, we just elected a socialist to the US Senate. How many of you bugfuck crazy Libertarians have we elected yet? None? You mean no one likes you people? Wow. I'm so shocked. We don't like electing people who fail.
You're kidding me, right? Are your reasoning skills that bad? Maybe that's why your business failed.
But the Government forcing credit card and marketing companies to guard your privacy is.. *gasp* market interference. That's socialism! You infidel!!!
Wrong again, Gomer Pyle. The FBI routinely nails US citizens accused of any terrorist act. If you're abroad the CIA assassinates you.
Translation: YOU FAILED!!! (and not only that but I could also look up your personal information given that business name alone. You DID file a fictitious business name notification with the newspaper, didn't you? Oh hell. You didn't? Oh that's jail time, bub!)
Not only did YOU FAIL!!! but you failed because you were too lily livered scared. Too scared to put down the money you needed for a business loan. That doesn't sound like what a marine would do. A marine isn't even scared of enemy gunfire, but you just admitted to being too scared to cough up a measley $30K. Feathers fall off your butt when you walk to work dude.
All this big talk from you about adapting, and then you confess to not being able to do it yourself because you didn't dare put down the money you needed to succeed. The only thing you learned in the marines was taking a gun and shooting yourself in all five toes with one shot.
Big talk and no walk - it's always the same with your kind.
So you surrendered before the big fight and now you grovel for your corporate master, preaching his almighty right to screw over the American worker who made his ass great to begin with, preaching to the rest of us to adapt in ways that you have proven unable to.
Look, Gomer Pyle, when you actually start a business that succeeds, then we can discuss the astronomical odds against the survival of a new business, and how these business successes that you mentioned, are a stone cold statistical anomaly and not the norm. But as it stands, you were there, and YOU FAILED BECAUSE YOU ARE A COWARD!!!!!! so you're in no position to lecture the rest of us a
Someone made that remark right in this thread. I responded to them.
1) How are people supposed to eat and pay rent while they're making this new company?
2) CEOs in India are soon going to undercut CEOs in America. It will cost American companies far more to innovate much less manufacture the same product as it would in India, once they start making their companies there. There is not one single innovation that can be achieved here that can't be discovered there, cheaper. Not one. That will come back to bite you on the ass. Don't believe me? Ask Chevrolet & Ford about Toyota.
3) You're a retard, not a marine. Offshoring isn't taking away drive through fast food jobs. They're taking away BIOTECH RESEARCH jobs, IT jobs and financial accounting jobs.
4) When your social security number is used in Bangalore to defraud you, guess what? The FBI will not ever, not even in 1 million years, be able to help you. Because the perps are in India. Worse yet? They'll use the money to blow up your buddies in Iraq and the FBI will come get you because they'll think you did it.
5) What company have you started?
You're an embarrassment to your country. You don't even care about this country. You aren't even smart enough to realize which kinds of jobs are leaving this country. You're just a trust fund baby raised by parents who made their money working at US factories. You inherited your wealth and if you were to lose it... you would have to join the Marines to get a job.
This sounds like a classic good way to secure investment:
a) show actual proof of product concept (well, let's hope it is actual)
b) get investment
c) ??? oh wait, ??? is now solved... investments lead to factory production!
d) profit!!!
News Flash: there are more than one race of people in East India. So why is anti-offshoring "Racism" against east indians?
As for protectionism... I don't apologize for protecting my own country and my own workers where the market for servicing our own country is concerned.
America doesn't export, it imports. We stand to lose everything and gain absolutely nothing in globalism. If globalism went away tomorrow we'd have our jobs. The work has to be done somewhere. I care about my country before I care about others, just like I care about my family first. I do not ever apologize for that.
If you want to build an industry then build it yourself like we did.
There isn't a single IT job that was around in the 1990s that isn't thriving now.
It just isn't allowed to thrive in countries where workers are treated like human beings.
Then the workers over there ascend to management and get the enterpreneurial spirit and form their own companies using their knowledge of US intellectual property.
They then compete against us with a knockoff product made by offshore workers managed by cheap offshore managers overseen by offshore CEOs.
Hi, Cisco & Chevrolet!
you can't get any experience being on the team?
If you can't get an entry level programming job because it has gone overseas, how do you get the experience to become a senior programmer, and then a team lead?
Or do these team leads have no programming experience at all? *eek*
Try moving to India some time. Tons of East Indian people come here.
Offshored jobs aren't replaced by better ones - they're replaced by low paying service jobs. There are a flood of high end jobs that no applicant in America is qualified to fill: you can't get those jobs without lower end job experience and you can't get lower end job experience anymore because it has all gone overseas.
Now, I suspect you'll be telling me all these success stories about college students paying for plane tickets to India and how they bribed Government officials to get work visas to work at these offshored jobs so they could get the experience they needed to work at the high end jobs in the US. It should make an interesting read!
Most of the jobs going overseas are high skilled jobs - software testing is not a low skilled job, nor are the network admin or programming jobs that are going overseas.
Accounting, legal and even radiology jobs are going over as well. I dare you to tell any of them that they're low skilled.
Next?
You have to get a work visa, which they won't let you have, then learn their language, and then you have to have "East India experience"... which means the company won't even hire you if you're an American. East India doesn't have antidiscrimination laws.
Or workplace safety laws.
Or pollution laws.
Which is why these companies go offshore: they can be as dirty, abusive and discriminative as any psychopath wants to be, without fear of regulation.
Say hello to undermining the entire credibility of western civilization.
Or: if you want to be competitive in the global economy, you will one day be reduced to living with 8 other people in a one-room, dirt-floored shack, making a fraction of what you could make today, while trying to pay for skyrocketing health care when your body is utterly destroyed by sulphur emissions, smog and polluted water.
UbuntuDupe says that because some high paying IT jobs were lost overseas and were replaced by minimum wage or barely above minimum wage service jobs, we've scored a victory in the jobs arena?
That's BS.
That's called underemployment - the total reduction of an educated, skilled workforce to menial labor which itself can be automated.
That means a loss of buying power which means that in the end, those SAME Northwest LA drycleaners will be hurting for customers.
Americans can't pursue these jobs overseas. The jobs are for companies that are serving Americans. Offshoring denies Americans jobs that serve Americans. Because of where they're born, ironically. Offshoring is the belief that it's more virtuous to hire a foreigner to serve American customers, than to hire an American to serve American customers.
That's as not so thinly veiled racist as racist can possibly get.
a Wal Mart job, for the most part.
Offshoring IT means new people will never get into the industry at all.
IT now demands high level network administrators and accomplished programmers. Americans cannot reach that level of expertise without starting out as a lower level programmer, software tester, sysadmin, tech support person, etc. - and those jobs have gone overseas.
The higher level jobs can't be filled because no new qualified workers are coming into the US workforce, and the qualified people are entrenched in jobs they won't leave, or are afraid to leave. And yes, before you say otherwise, I know this. I am a data center manager and I see our ads go unfilled constantly. Which is why since before this data center came up, I kept our jobs from going overseas and made sure we grow our talent right here, in house. My lead network administratress started out as our receptionist and then a tech support rep, then a tester, then a sysadmin, then a network admin. At other companies, that ain't gonna happen. Ever.
So no, another job was not created here - except low paying service jobs like Wal Mart cashiers, and super high end jobs that newcomer Americans can never qualify for.
the work apparently had to be done by someone, for American customers.
Offshoring is racist - because jobs and resources can go across borders, but not American workers.
And a potential love affair with Spock. ...
:)
I apologize for this post.
When the oil runs out, then what?
They'll be unemployed again, that's what. Plus, on top of that, they'll have more diseases than they had before, and the land will be even more useless because of pollution, too.
Let us recap the supporting facts, shall we?
Trading in your health for a job never works out for the better in the end.
Corporations don't engage in charitable acts for anyone's good. They do this to avoid paying taxes.
Again, how can that parent post be insightful, in light of the glaringly obvious and contradictory facts?
Show me the company who does that.
I'll be sure to let them know by handwritten letter why they're not getting my business.
So it's either they eat the cost of cancellation, or they go out of business.
Or maybe... *gasp* maybe they just factor it right into the subscription rate, which would be no problem to me.
Tag. You're it.
Flood Pelosi and Berman with letters.
Now's the time to get very, VERY loud.
Neither pirate nor purchase RIAA music.
Again, you make the same mistake. The price of milk is HIGH because of a subsidy called a price floor. Or, well, a facet of corporate welfare, however you want to call it. The price floor is to ensure that milk is produced domestically and not imported.
Oh for the love of God, if I want to respond to you, I'll respond to.
What on Earth makes you think I ever have to hide? Does it not occur that more than one person sees that your premise is flawed, and that your whole house of cards argument is doomed?