There is also another problem with the GeForce 2 GTS: it is hobbled by its lack of memory bandwidth. Its DDR SDRAM is running on a 128bit pipe at something like 330mhz. Fast as heck, but not fast enough to achieve the holy grail of making Quake3 fly at 1600x1200x32.
Try making it do full screen anti-aliasing (FSAA) at the same time, and the frame rate, even at 640x480, becomes unplayably low.
At the risk of sounding nutty here: it's the memory bandwidth. It's the stinkin memory bandwidth. Darn it, Nvidia, do something 'bout that memory bandwidth!
PS: All remarks here come from knowledge shamelessly ripped off from Tom's Hardware. Peace! ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
Come sue me so I can smack you up and make a gangster rap song out of it:)
I think I'll download a Dr Dre song on napster tonight.
BTW Dr Dre: has anyone ever been thoughtful enough to tell you that you behave like a one legged teletubby trying to do the moonwalk?? ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
The TV media censors conservative viewpoints off the airwaves, especially if it is the viewpoint of someone who isn't a raving racist nut and making us look bad.
They shut the conservative viewpoint completely out in colleges, too.
IMO it isn't suddenly cool when AOL just flat out filters out the Democratic National Committee website, and escalates the destruction of productive political dialogue to a new level.
I hope when I turn on the Larry Elder or Rush Limbaugh show, they've got something negative to say about this...
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They shouldn't have started The Next Generation. Now Star Trek fans are gonna be fearful of a life in which all the Trek episodes they see are reruns... that's why we're seeing one spinoff after another... there always has to be someone filming a new Star Trek:)
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They only had 28 Secret Police (Gestapo) agents overlooking a million citizens in certain areas. The majority of the work was done by citizens who turned each other in.
If you were a loner, and someone reported you, they hauled you away.
Is this what we want for America? ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
...of refueling this beast at almost $2.00 per gallon for unleaded gas.:)
BTW: Bets are these things will be more hated by Al Gore than SUV's. What is its emissions level? Woohoo. ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
Hi, it's me. Travoltus. 2002 edition, that is. I just wanted to inform you that last year, I met this wonderful girl named Matilda on Lucasarts' Star Wars Online (SWO), and now we're getting married.
Yup. We met while standing in line at the Rebel Academy with 200000 other players. I picked the highly ignored Han Solo and she picked Princess Leia (she was the first female player in the game, hehe). Everyone else was battling it out to be - you guessed it - Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.
Matilda fell in love with the way I slaughtered that entire ewok race right off the forest moon of Endor, but after my single handed annihilation of Jar Jar Binks and the Gungan species, she totally wanted muh bod. We had some sizzling hot virtual sex and, well, the rest is history:)
BTW, since this is the first marriage between two Star Wars Online players, George Lucas gave away the bride. I looked good in my Han Solo uniform, and Matilda, well, that dress, oooeeeeeeeeeowwwwwwwwwwwww baby! The downside was we were married by a 6' tall guy in a Yoda suit, who spent more time laughing than actually joining us in holy matrimony. The upside is we both got special edition copies of all 4 Star Wars movies, including The Phandom Menace: The Jar Jar-Free Edition - on DVD! (Oh and don't tell anyone we got this stuff on DVD, Lucas made us sign a shut-up agreement...)
Matilda and I are expecting a little jedi in 5 months. You keep hanging on out there in the past, ok Travoltus? And please.. get the game!
Death to the Gungans! - Travoltus
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I would be outraged to have to pay monthly fees for every online game I want to play - which is a lot! So your 'cable' and 'car insurance' analogies don't hold.
As for maintaining a Massively Multiplayer server, people do it all the time with smaller scale FPS and RPG servers. I counted over 3000 Half Life servers just today. Most empty.
Imagine if the admins of some of those empty servers got together... ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
(I didn't see anyone addressing this, but if it's redundant, c'est la vie.)
I haven't seen anyone discussing this, but I personally would avoid this game if I have to pay to play.
When you buy a copy of Quake 3 Arena, you get to play for free, notwithstanding the cost of your ISP account. No monthly charges are assessed by id for jumping onto a Q3A server.
When you buy a copy of Everquest, you wind up paying these guys monthly in order to keep your access to the game. I don't like that trend at all, and I won't feed it with my dollars.
Of course, everyone else is free to feed it, but remember, if you do, everyone is going to be encouraged to do it that way. This'll ensure the runaway spread of "monthly-pay-per-play" across the whole online RPG market of the future, and perhaps it may even spread to the FPS arena.
Do you know how expensive for you that such a thing would be? ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
I'd give the equipment to do the job to a 4 year old if they could prove they knew what they were doing and their theories were sound.
As far as I'm concerned, the explanation is she had some kind of incredible contribution to make, some science talent scout noticed her, and she got bumped up to the big leagues and hit a home run. It's as simple as that. ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
Unlike you, state legislators and Congress are taking corporate privacy invastion seriously, and are taking action. See: New York.
Yes. You are clueless. Yes. Corporations are playing fast and loose with people's privacy. Yes. Check that Trojan horse before you let it in the courtyard. YES. Read that contractual agreement before you go sign up for that company donated PC.
Give it up, dude, you aren't gonna win because you don't have the intelligence for this. ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
If you can run Q3A on the Alpha platform, then I'm wrong right in the category where I was making my case, lol.
Way to go:)
I was also educated via email that Alphas can use some PC addon cards. Very interesting!
As for the implied Alpha vs Athlon thing...isn't the Athlon the brainchild of some Alpha engineers? ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
The hard drive serial number cannot be picked up by someone on the internet. Your computer cannot automatically transmit that number to anyone.
The Intel Pentium III PSN was built in with the express purpose of being transmittable online. Any ol' website could pick it up. ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
(Moderators please look the other way. The boy asked for it.)
Oh look, I'm being lectured by a corporate stooge with the brain of a pea.
"Big Brother Inside" happens to be a correct term, lackey boy. Intel originally intended each person who used a Pentium III to be trackable in online transactions, as well as ensuring the chip was running at the speed it was intended for. One of the explicitly mentioned consequences was e-commerce websites would deny access to people who didn't turn on the stinking number. So yes, you are clueless about life - "Big Brother Inside" is right on the mark.
As for the Northwest case, the subpoena was a farce. There was nothing ILLEGAL done, but corporate lawyers managed to lie hard enough to the judge to get access to those PC's. And my computer won't ever get searched. My email disappears once a week and all free space is rewritten over. The best anyone will get is a 1 day URL browsing history.
As for therapy, how about you get a clue transplant? It's sheep like you who baaaaaaaaah and graze on the pasture while the wolves are snatching your freedoms away, one at a time. You are severely outnumbered in this world by the number of people who are vigilantly watching people like Intel and fighting for our privacy rights.
I'd love to meet you in the street so I could see you get laughed at. Tool. ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
Can we say Northwest? Can we say 'big brother inside'? Can we say 'trojan horse'?
There's no way I'd accept a company computer in my house. If they can try to search personal, non company donated computers, imagine the rights you give up by placing a company gift computer in your abode??
Besides, I like my Athlon. It has no product serial number:)
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Your best bet between Intel and AMD for a 64bit cpu is AMD's implementation, aka the Sledgehammer architecture, which is an extension of the current IA32 instruction set to 64 bits. Without sacrificing 64bit quality, the 32 bit apps will run far quicker on a Sledgehammer architecture than on Intel's 'hard core' Itanium.
Then again if you're using an Alpha, I guess you're not even using x86 based software. Alphas make great server machines, but I wouldn't count on any leisure applications coming out for it:) ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
If ATI follows through on their promise and loads things like hardware with vertex skinning and all that, and the 3d programmer comes up with a more advanced version of the feature in software, what then?
Does the game stick with the eventually outdated hardware version of the feature, or do they implement a newer optimized one via software, which'll sort of defeat one or more purposes of the card?
(Am I making any sense here?)
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Aside from their supply problems and the RDRAM fiasco, Intel caused me to switch loyalty to AMD because of the Product Serial Numbers they stuck on the PIII's. I immediately became an AMD fan after years of dissing them, and lo and behold, less than a year later, AMD started winning big time!
Note to Intel: it is a good day to die:) ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
My work PC is twice as weak as my Kryotech Athlon SuperG at home:)
I've always had a superior PC to what my worksite had. I play games online at home and work at work. Now and then I'll bring my parallel orb drive in and pull down mp3's but that's the most non-work stuff I'll do there.
I'll be even less attracted to do anything on a work PC when internetconnect DSL hits here in 2 months:) ======================== 63,000 bugs in the code, 63,000 bugs, ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
Slashdot Mirror
I spend a whole lot of time fuming over news of companies who aren't as honorable as Nvidia.
It sure is nice to see an article praising the example of companies who do right by the Linux community. Way to go Nvidia and way to go Slashdot
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This means we're gonna be logging into fragging RUSSIA to enjoy the freedoms we should have as AMERICANS.
And to think people fled to the US to enjoy the freedoms they couldn't have in Russia, just in my adult lifetime.
This is so sickly ironic it makes me chuckle.
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There is also another problem with the GeForce 2 GTS: it is hobbled by its lack of memory bandwidth. Its DDR SDRAM is running on a 128bit pipe at something like 330mhz. Fast as heck, but not fast enough to achieve the holy grail of making Quake3 fly at 1600x1200x32.
Try making it do full screen anti-aliasing (FSAA) at the same time, and the frame rate, even at 640x480, becomes unplayably low.
At the risk of sounding nutty here: it's the memory bandwidth. It's the stinkin memory bandwidth. Darn it, Nvidia, do something 'bout that memory bandwidth!
PS: All remarks here come from knowledge shamelessly ripped off from Tom's Hardware. Peace!
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Come sue me so I can smack you up and make a gangster rap song out of it
I think I'll download a Dr Dre song on napster tonight.
BTW Dr Dre: has anyone ever been thoughtful enough to tell you that you behave like a one legged teletubby trying to do the moonwalk??
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I'm especially scared of this kind of censorship.
The TV media censors conservative viewpoints off the airwaves, especially if it is the viewpoint of someone who isn't a raving racist nut and making us look bad.
They shut the conservative viewpoint completely out in colleges, too.
IMO it isn't suddenly cool when AOL just flat out filters out the Democratic National Committee website, and escalates the destruction of productive political dialogue to a new level.
I hope when I turn on the Larry Elder or Rush Limbaugh show, they've got something negative to say about this...
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ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
They shouldn't have started The Next Generation. Now Star Trek fans are gonna be fearful of a life in which all the Trek episodes they see are reruns... that's why we're seeing one spinoff after another... there always has to be someone filming a new Star Trek
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The Constitution limits the power of the states in several ways, for instance a state cannot enter into a treaty with a foreign country, etc.
The US Constitution certainly can say states cannot tax interstate commerce, online or mail order.
PEACE!
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Can you please give your opinion on this?
(I'm leaning towards the opinion that it fails the GPL test, but let's hear it from the maker of the GPL..)
P eace!
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They only had 28 Secret Police (Gestapo) agents overlooking a million citizens in certain areas. The majority of the work was done by citizens who turned each other in.
If you were a loner, and someone reported you, they hauled you away.
Is this what we want for America?
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...of refueling this beast at almost $2.00 per gallon for unleaded gas.
BTW: Bets are these things will be more hated by Al Gore than SUV's. What is its emissions level? Woohoo.
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At 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, DC
:)
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what class was this?
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Dear Travoltus:
Hi, it's me. Travoltus. 2002 edition, that is. I just wanted to inform you that last year, I met this wonderful girl named Matilda on Lucasarts' Star Wars Online (SWO), and now we're getting married.
Yup. We met while standing in line at the Rebel Academy with 200000 other players. I picked the highly ignored Han Solo and she picked Princess Leia (she was the first female player in the game, hehe). Everyone else was battling it out to be - you guessed it - Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader.
Matilda fell in love with the way I slaughtered that entire ewok race right off the forest moon of Endor, but after my single handed annihilation of Jar Jar Binks and the Gungan species, she totally wanted muh bod. We had some sizzling hot virtual sex and, well, the rest is history
BTW, since this is the first marriage between two Star Wars Online players, George Lucas gave away the bride. I looked good in my Han Solo uniform, and Matilda, well, that dress, oooeeeeeeeeeowwwwwwwwwwwww baby! The downside was we were married by a 6' tall guy in a Yoda suit, who spent more time laughing than actually joining us in holy matrimony. The upside is we both got special edition copies of all 4 Star Wars movies, including The Phandom Menace: The Jar Jar-Free Edition - on DVD! (Oh and don't tell anyone we got this stuff on DVD, Lucas made us sign a shut-up agreement...)
Matilda and I are expecting a little jedi in 5 months. You keep hanging on out there in the past, ok Travoltus? And please.. get the game!
Death to the Gungans!
- Travoltus
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I would be outraged to have to pay monthly fees for every online game I want to play - which is a lot! So your 'cable' and 'car insurance' analogies don't hold.
...
As for maintaining a Massively Multiplayer server, people do it all the time with smaller scale FPS and RPG servers. I counted over 3000 Half Life servers just today. Most empty.
Imagine if the admins of some of those empty servers got together
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(I didn't see anyone addressing this, but if it's redundant, c'est la vie.)
I haven't seen anyone discussing this, but I personally would avoid this game if I have to pay to play.
When you buy a copy of Quake 3 Arena, you get to play for free, notwithstanding the cost of your ISP account. No monthly charges are assessed by id for jumping onto a Q3A server.
When you buy a copy of Everquest, you wind up paying these guys monthly in order to keep your access to the game. I don't like that trend at all, and I won't feed it with my dollars.
Of course, everyone else is free to feed it, but remember, if you do, everyone is going to be encouraged to do it that way. This'll ensure the runaway spread of "monthly-pay-per-play" across the whole online RPG market of the future, and perhaps it may even spread to the FPS arena.
Do you know how expensive for you that such a thing would be?
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I'd give the equipment to do the job to a 4 year old if they could prove they knew what they were doing and their theories were sound.
As far as I'm concerned, the explanation is she had some kind of incredible contribution to make, some science talent scout noticed her, and she got bumped up to the big leagues and hit a home run. It's as simple as that.
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Ever heard of Oracle Corp?
Doubleclick?
Unlike you, state legislators and Congress are taking corporate privacy invastion seriously, and are taking action. See: New York.
Yes. You are clueless. Yes. Corporations are playing fast and loose with people's privacy. Yes. Check that Trojan horse before you let it in the courtyard. YES. Read that contractual agreement before you go sign up for that company donated PC.
Give it up, dude, you aren't gonna win because you don't have the intelligence for this.
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If you can run Q3A on the Alpha platform, then I'm wrong right in the category where I was making my case, lol.
Way to go
I was also educated via email that Alphas can use some PC addon cards. Very interesting!
As for the implied Alpha vs Athlon thing...isn't the Athlon the brainchild of some Alpha engineers?
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ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
The hard drive serial number cannot be picked up by someone on the internet. Your computer cannot automatically transmit that number to anyone.
The Intel Pentium III PSN was built in with the express purpose of being transmittable online. Any ol' website could pick it up.
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(Moderators please look the other way. The boy asked for it.)
Oh look, I'm being lectured by a corporate stooge with the brain of a pea.
"Big Brother Inside" happens to be a correct term, lackey boy. Intel originally intended each person who used a Pentium III to be trackable in online transactions, as well as ensuring the chip was running at the speed it was intended for. One of the explicitly mentioned consequences was e-commerce websites would deny access to people who didn't turn on the stinking number. So yes, you are clueless about life - "Big Brother Inside" is right on the mark.
As for the Northwest case, the subpoena was a farce. There was nothing ILLEGAL done, but corporate lawyers managed to lie hard enough to the judge to get access to those PC's. And my computer won't ever get searched. My email disappears once a week and all free space is rewritten over. The best anyone will get is a 1 day URL browsing history.
As for therapy, how about you get a clue transplant? It's sheep like you who baaaaaaaaah and graze on the pasture while the wolves are snatching your freedoms away, one at a time. You are severely outnumbered in this world by the number of people who are vigilantly watching people like Intel and fighting for our privacy rights.
I'd love to meet you in the street so I could see you get laughed at. Tool.
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Can we say Northwest?
Can we say 'big brother inside'?
Can we say 'trojan horse'?
There's no way I'd accept a company computer in my house. If they can try to search personal, non company donated computers, imagine the rights you give up by placing a company gift computer in your abode??
Besides, I like my Athlon. It has no product serial number
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vaporware alert:
:)
Your best bet between Intel and AMD for a 64bit cpu is AMD's implementation, aka the Sledgehammer architecture, which is an extension of the current IA32 instruction set to 64 bits. Without sacrificing 64bit quality, the 32 bit apps will run far quicker on a Sledgehammer architecture than on Intel's 'hard core' Itanium.
Then again if you're using an Alpha, I guess you're not even using x86 based software. Alphas make great server machines, but I wouldn't count on any leisure applications coming out for it
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ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,
If ATI follows through on their promise and loads things like hardware with vertex skinning and all that, and the 3d programmer comes up with a more advanced version of the feature in software, what then?
Does the game stick with the eventually outdated hardware version of the feature, or do they implement a newer optimized one via software, which'll sort of defeat one or more purposes of the card?
(Am I making any sense here?)
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Aside from their supply problems and the RDRAM fiasco, Intel caused me to switch loyalty to AMD because of the Product Serial Numbers they stuck on the PIII's. I immediately became an AMD fan after years of dissing them, and lo and behold, less than a year later, AMD started winning big time!
Note to Intel: it is a good day to die
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My work PC is twice as weak as my Kryotech Athlon SuperG at home
I've always had a superior PC to what my worksite had. I play games online at home and work at work. Now and then I'll bring my parallel orb drive in and pull down mp3's but that's the most non-work stuff I'll do there.
I'll be even less attracted to do anything on a work PC when internetconnect DSL hits here in 2 months
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ya get 1 whacked with a service pack,