Neither does the McDonalds on every street corner.
McDonalds? Naah, they are an enlightened, progressive community. They have Chipotle and Culver's on every street corner instead. We all know that burritos the size of your head, and "double butter burgers" are staples of a healthy diet.
If people took care of their body then they wouldn't need to see the doctor's all the damn time.
Actually, there has been quite a bit of talk about prevention programs, things like physical education in school, and other inexpensive options to try to get people to take better care of themselves.
The problem is, that there is no good way to correlate it to money saved. If we spent X number of dollars on getting people to get off the couch and walking, it would be nearly impossible to say that it saved Y dollars on long-term health care (regardless of whether you choose a Y less than, greater than, or equal to X). And with all the calamity over the cost of the health care reform that hasn't yet passed either house, it is hard to sell prevention right now.
Yeah, you'll show em when you get political on the matter!
"Stupid people do stupid things that cause them to die sooner." Not that there aren't stupid people everywhere, but in America we still have the
right to be wrong to a much greater extent than the nanny states in Europe.
So then are you saying that anyone who makes less money than you is inherently stupid in comparison to you?
Enough with this continual blather about the 'disadvantaged/poor/etc.' if you nitwits aren't going to deal with the actual problem.
Then kindly enlighten us 'nitwits', if you could.
To a very high degree of correlation, the 'poor' aren't living in poverty because of a lack of money.
Really? I don't know where you live, but I haven't heard of many people who are born into families with money and then end up broke.
They lack money because they have make poor lifestyle decisions that RESULT in a lack of money.
Which is ignoring the fact that some good decisions require money...
Things like failure to get an education
That is an excellent example of one. If you are in a poor family, you might not even have access to enough credit for student loans.
Though even more so, if we want to talk about health care (which most reasonable people would agree has at least some correlation to life expectancy), we should note the relationship between health care and education:
If you want a higher education:
You need insurance
Which requires a job
Which requires time
Which impedes on study time
Hence many people of lower income status are stuck in failure spirals. While providing them with health care may not be enough to get them out, it should at least be able to help some people, both from that classification and others.
Normally I wouldn't flame so hard but this entire article so reeks of slashkos politics I just couldn't hold back. Enough with the thinly disguised political stories outside the politics topic. Raise your hand if you actually think this was 'news for nerds' and not the DNC talking points being put into action.
But don't worry, there may be some conservatives running around with left-over mod points who will mod your post up to +5 just as they did with several from other conservative authors yesterday.
I thought that was what the current argument was about, whether we were going to HAVE a single "US health system" or not
Perhaps you haven't been reading the news? Congress gave up on single payer health care at least a full month ago. It won't happen in this congressional session, period. Really the discussion now is just on how much the democrats will fold on any sort of change whatsoever; will they fold like a nice origami piece (perhaps a swan or a dove would be nice), or completely down like a lawn chair (to be stuffed away for the indefinite future in someone's garage)?
I suspect people in some cities might be surprised to hear that their life expectancies are going down. After all they've had high literacy rates, above-average educational systems, and even higher-than-average rates of medical coverage for years. Granted, when those pesky bridges fall into the river after years of neglect that might not help the life expectancy rate much...
This article deserves to be tagged with the "!censorship" tag rather than the "censorship" tag. A list of people who applied the "censorship" tag to this article would likely match up well with a list of people who are posting to the conversation without having bothered to read the article.
Timothy, you should be ashamed for posting such an atrocious summary to the front page.
Nice talking points there, unfortunately you are still wrong.
Actually, you should know that parody is allowed under copyright laws
I am well aware that parody is covered. That is what keeps artists like Weird Al from being sued. However parody is not the issue.
And if you read anything in this thread, you'd see Flickr has no qualms with similar images regarding Bush. So they're lying about copyright concerns.
If you read the LA Times article you would know that Flickr didn't pull the images because they are in regards to President Obama. But I cannot force you to read the article if you choose not to.
The original author did make their parody over political concerns.
I'll take that to further indicate that you did not read the LA Times article that he was interviewed in.
However his political concerns differ from those spreading it now
Strange, and irrelevant statement.
Don't attempt to correct people when you're wrong on every point
Actually you have done a fine job of proving my point. You refuse to read the article, and I cannot force you to do so.
However, if you were to actually read the article it would be clear why Flickr removed the image, and you would know it has nothing to do with politics.
The image was removed because it is so prevalent that it is not clear who actually holds the copyright. And if Flickr were to keep copyrighted material on their website that they do not have the rights to post, then they would be in violation.
So please, do us all a favor, and try to be factual rather than just opinionated.
This is Flickr (a US based company) telling its users that they aren't entitled to express political opinions
Sorry, but you're wrong on that regard. If you had read the article before starting your rant you would know that Flickr did this out of copyright concerns; this has nothing to do with politics or free speech.
You would also know that the original author did not post it to be political - the "socialism" caption was added later, by someone else.
If you actually would RTFA, you would know the reason that Flickr provided for pulling the images. It has nothing to do with the subject matter or the irrelevant text that was later added by someone else. After the image went viral it became difficult for Flickr to ascertain for sure who was the copyright holder so they pulled it to cover their own asses while waiting for the smoke to settle.
The originator was not attempting to make a statement about disliking Obama himself
The originator feels the label of "socialism" doesn't even make sense
And of course, anyone who knows anything about the Joker himself knows that he was really more of an anarchist.
So anyone who thinks that there is some great political conspiracy behind this needs to pay at least a little attention to what is actually happening here regarding the image and its author. And then after that they should hopefully stop hyperventilating enough to realize that even if Flickr pulls an image it doesn't just disappear from the internet - it is still out there for people to see and Flickr knows that too.
Actually, this is Flickr telling it's users that oppose Obama that they are not entitled to express their political opinions.
The student behind the original "Joker-ized" Obama image does not oppose Obama, you would know that if you had read the article. You would also know that the originator of the image did not include the word "Socialism" in his work, that was added later by someone who has not revealed their identity.
So if you are trying to claim that the person who created the original image did it because they dislike Obama, you are dead wrong.
Their webserver is a smoldering pile of rubbish right now, but the google cache shows that they used a first-generation Honda Insight. While today's Insight is a dead ringer for a Prius, the first generation of the same was a small 2-seater coupe on 13 inch wheels.
So while it is impressive that they shoehorned in a small diesel (or really any other engine than the original Honda) into that engine bay, the fuel economy numbers they report aren't really that impressive.
But Diesel should have been the initial plan, railway locomotives have been using that setup for decades.
Many American drivers still distrust diesel after the terrible vehicles (mostly large sedans) with big diesels that the big three produced back in the 70s and 80s. For better or for worse, the big three are aware of this and haven't bothered even trying to sell consumer diesels in the US. Unfortunately they also can't find marketing droids that are capable of pulling their own heads out of their own asses, so they will never try to correct the misconceptions.
Hence while indeed a diesel setup would have been a better idea for the Volt, it would have been likely a complete failure for GM.
Since their webserver seems to have gone up in a cloud of smoke I can't view the web page to see what car they worked on. Some of us might not realize that there have been two very different cars sold in the US by Honda called the Insight. The current one of course is a nearly perfect clone of the Toyota Prius. However some time ago there was a much, much, smaller hybrid sold by Honda under the same name. It was probably the first mass-market hybrid sold in the US. The first Insight could almost fit inside the trunk of the new one.
Hence getting 78mpg in the older Insight would not be nearly as much of a feat as doing the same in the new one.
The current model VW's that have diesel options (Jetta, Golf, Beetle) can average 50mpg all day long with 4 adults and the AC turned on. The first generation Honda Insight, by comparison, barely fits two grown adults (no back seat at all), and has a much smaller fuel tank. If they did this with the new Insight (their web page seems to have gone up in smoke so I can't tell which Insight they used) it would be a little more impressive, though they would still be dealing with the technical issues that face hybrids that do no apply to diesel.
I for one would rather start with a diesel and tune it to get 70mpg without a trunk full of batteries.
With only 2 people identified with the mutation, I wouldn't be willing to consider it a positive trait yet. We don't know what else this mutation may have changed for these people - if for example it were to reduce life expectancy in a significant manner I think I would prefer to sleep.
We need more individuals to study to determine the full effect of this mutation.
It sounds to me that your network might be unnecessarily complicated for your needs. If your network is large enough to require the services of an administrator, you should have enough funds to pay for a full-time on site admin. And with the economy as it is right now you can probably get a recent IT or CSci grad on the cheap since they'd be wise to admin your network rather than taking a job at wally world hoping for better luck later. Otherwise you might be wise to look into how you can simplify your setup so you can administer it yourself or pay one of your employees to administer it half time while doing their regular (hired) job the rest of the week.
... to have it place you in a group, and then randomly select one of the other groups to place your gaming experience into. That way rather than giving you the experience most appropriate for your gaming style, it gives you a gaming experience that might actually cause you to approach the situation differently.
I disagree with file compatibility being the core issue hindering adoption of OpenOffice. If file compatibility were a significant issue that users cared about, then nobody would have purchased the newest version of MSOffice, as it defaults to saving in a file format that doesn't work with previous versions of MSOffice (or anything else on the planet for that matter).
Indeed the most compatible version of MSOffice is arguable the one that came out in 1995; the staggered PC/Mac releases every year since have made file incompatibility almost a hallmark of new releases of MSOffice.
Can my wife's mac read my PC MSOffice file? Well, maybe... who has the newer version of Office again? Oh shit, I don't remember, I'd better do save as and save as an older format just in case.
However the new.docx,.pptx, etc having kicked incompatibility up a notch. Suddenly half the world is now using "the wrong version" of MSOffice and needs to shell out hundreds of dollars to upgrade to read the new file formats.
While I am one of many who would love to see OpenOffice unseat MS Office, that just simply isn't realistic right now. It isn't because MS Office is a better product; we know that is not true.
It is because MS Office is the office for many Windows and Mac users. I know of people who are educated enough to know better will go and put down their own hard earned money to buy MS Office, even if they have heard of OpenOffice. I have a colleague who despises the interface of the new MS Office yet uses it every day, absolutely refusing to even consider installing OpenOffice on her laptop.
In short:
Cost is not the issue
File compatibility isn't the issue
Application function isn't the issue
The interface isn't the issue
The issue is getting people to believe that OpenOffice is worthy of trying. If you know how to accomplish that on a large scale I'm probably not the only person who would love to hear it.
If you read through to the actual notice from the marines you find that they don't name specific social networking sites to be blocked, rather they describe them as
INTERNET SNS ARE DEFINED AS WEB-BASED SERVICES THAT ALLOW COMMUNITIES OF PEOPLE TO SHARE COMMON INTERESTS AND/OR EXPERIENCES (EXISTING OUTSIDE OF DOD NETWORKS) OR FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO EXPLORE INTERESTS AND BACKGROUND DIFFERENT FROM THEIR OWN.
And then proceed to say that they include
EXAMPLES OF INTERNET SNS SITES INCLUDE FACEBOOK, MYSPACE, AND TWITTER.
Though it seems that even sites like slashdot could be grouped under that definition. For that matter other sites like wnd.com or the Huffington post could potentially be grouped similarly.
Where will we go to buy soldering irons and those RCA to headphone jack adapters no
You can go just about anywhere for those. The closest Radio Shack to where I live is across the parking lot from a Home Depot, I can buy those items there. For that matter I think I can find a better selection of those items there.
The only thing I can get at Radio Shack that I can't get anywhere else is... OK I give up, what is it now?
Most schools, and by most I'm suspecting over 99%, do not have regular phones anywhere in the building except in the office and the teacher's lounge, and a few other places that are often in use when the front office is not manned, like a band room and gym. (And a few payphones if those are 'regular phones'.)
You have given us no reason why we should expect that your school experience is for some reason representative of all (or nearly all) schools in the country.
(And a few payphones if those are 'regular phones'.)
This particular discussion thread started with an AC troll concerned about people not being able to call 911 fast enough. Do the payphones in your part of the universe also restrict calling 911?
Otherwise as far as 911 is concerned payphones are generally quite "regular".
Seriously. You may remember telephones in classrooms, but they really did rip all those PBXs out and replace them with an intercom system that does the same thing. (But, and I can't stress this enough, cannot dial 911, because it cannot dial anyone, it just rings a bell in the office.)
So you personally worked on the telecom system in the high school I went to?
But I have no idea why you're bringing colleges into this.
I have no idea why you consider yourself to be the only source of true knowledge on this matter.
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Neither does the McDonalds on every street corner.
McDonalds? Naah, they are an enlightened, progressive community. They have Chipotle and Culver's on every street corner instead. We all know that burritos the size of your head, and "double butter burgers" are staples of a healthy diet.
If people took care of their body then they wouldn't need to see the doctor's all the damn time.
Actually, there has been quite a bit of talk about prevention programs, things like physical education in school, and other inexpensive options to try to get people to take better care of themselves.
The problem is, that there is no good way to correlate it to money saved. If we spent X number of dollars on getting people to get off the couch and walking, it would be nearly impossible to say that it saved Y dollars on long-term health care (regardless of whether you choose a Y less than, greater than, or equal to X). And with all the calamity over the cost of the health care reform that hasn't yet passed either house, it is hard to sell prevention right now.
Oh stop already with the politics
Yeah, you'll show em when you get political on the matter!
"Stupid people do stupid things that cause them to die sooner." Not that there aren't stupid people everywhere, but in America we still have the right to be wrong to a much greater extent than the nanny states in Europe.
So then are you saying that anyone who makes less money than you is inherently stupid in comparison to you?
Enough with this continual blather about the 'disadvantaged/poor/etc.' if you nitwits aren't going to deal with the actual problem.
Then kindly enlighten us 'nitwits', if you could.
To a very high degree of correlation, the 'poor' aren't living in poverty because of a lack of money.
Really? I don't know where you live, but I haven't heard of many people who are born into families with money and then end up broke.
They lack money because they have make poor lifestyle decisions that RESULT in a lack of money.
Which is ignoring the fact that some good decisions require money...
Things like failure to get an education
That is an excellent example of one. If you are in a poor family, you might not even have access to enough credit for student loans.
Though even more so, if we want to talk about health care (which most reasonable people would agree has at least some correlation to life expectancy), we should note the relationship between health care and education:
If you want a higher education:
Hence many people of lower income status are stuck in failure spirals. While providing them with health care may not be enough to get them out, it should at least be able to help some people, both from that classification and others.
Normally I wouldn't flame so hard but this entire article so reeks of slashkos politics I just couldn't hold back. Enough with the thinly disguised political stories outside the politics topic. Raise your hand if you actually think this was 'news for nerds' and not the DNC talking points being put into action.
Were you not reading yesterday when a conservative opinion got made the slashdot front page and lead to a conservative orgy in the discussion?
But don't worry, there may be some conservatives running around with left-over mod points who will mod your post up to +5 just as they did with several from other conservative authors yesterday.
I thought that was what the current argument was about, whether we were going to HAVE a single "US health system" or not
Perhaps you haven't been reading the news? Congress gave up on single payer health care at least a full month ago. It won't happen in this congressional session, period. Really the discussion now is just on how much the democrats will fold on any sort of change whatsoever; will they fold like a nice origami piece (perhaps a swan or a dove would be nice), or completely down like a lawn chair (to be stuffed away for the indefinite future in someone's garage)?
I suspect people in some cities might be surprised to hear that their life expectancies are going down. After all they've had high literacy rates, above-average educational systems, and even higher-than-average rates of medical coverage for years. Granted, when those pesky bridges fall into the river after years of neglect that might not help the life expectancy rate much...
This article deserves to be tagged with the "!censorship" tag rather than the "censorship" tag. A list of people who applied the "censorship" tag to this article would likely match up well with a list of people who are posting to the conversation without having bothered to read the article.
Timothy, you should be ashamed for posting such an atrocious summary to the front page.
Censoring speech is oppression. So oppression does exist here.
Except that there is no speech being censored in this case.
Hence no oppression exists in this case, either.
Actually, you should know that parody is allowed under copyright laws
I am well aware that parody is covered. That is what keeps artists like Weird Al from being sued. However parody is not the issue.
And if you read anything in this thread, you'd see Flickr has no qualms with similar images regarding Bush. So they're lying about copyright concerns.
If you read the LA Times article you would know that Flickr didn't pull the images because they are in regards to President Obama. But I cannot force you to read the article if you choose not to.
The original author did make their parody over political concerns.
I'll take that to further indicate that you did not read the LA Times article that he was interviewed in.
However his political concerns differ from those spreading it now
Strange, and irrelevant statement.
Don't attempt to correct people when you're wrong on every point
Actually you have done a fine job of proving my point. You refuse to read the article, and I cannot force you to do so.
However, if you were to actually read the article it would be clear why Flickr removed the image, and you would know it has nothing to do with politics.
The image was removed because it is so prevalent that it is not clear who actually holds the copyright. And if Flickr were to keep copyrighted material on their website that they do not have the rights to post, then they would be in violation.
So please, do us all a favor, and try to be factual rather than just opinionated.
This is Flickr (a US based company) telling its users that they aren't entitled to express political opinions
Sorry, but you're wrong on that regard. If you had read the article before starting your rant you would know that Flickr did this out of copyright concerns; this has nothing to do with politics or free speech.
You would also know that the original author did not post it to be political - the "socialism" caption was added later, by someone else.
If you actually would RTFA, you would know the reason that Flickr provided for pulling the images. It has nothing to do with the subject matter or the irrelevant text that was later added by someone else. After the image went viral it became difficult for Flickr to ascertain for sure who was the copyright holder so they pulled it to cover their own asses while waiting for the smoke to settle.
It has nothing to do with free speech.
And of course, anyone who knows anything about the Joker himself knows that he was really more of an anarchist.
So anyone who thinks that there is some great political conspiracy behind this needs to pay at least a little attention to what is actually happening here regarding the image and its author. And then after that they should hopefully stop hyperventilating enough to realize that even if Flickr pulls an image it doesn't just disappear from the internet - it is still out there for people to see and Flickr knows that too.
Actually, this is Flickr telling it's users that oppose Obama that they are not entitled to express their political opinions.
The student behind the original "Joker-ized" Obama image does not oppose Obama, you would know that if you had read the article. You would also know that the originator of the image did not include the word "Socialism" in his work, that was added later by someone who has not revealed their identity.
So if you are trying to claim that the person who created the original image did it because they dislike Obama, you are dead wrong.
Their webserver is a smoldering pile of rubbish right now, but the google cache shows that they used a first-generation Honda Insight. While today's Insight is a dead ringer for a Prius, the first generation of the same was a small 2-seater coupe on 13 inch wheels.
So while it is impressive that they shoehorned in a small diesel (or really any other engine than the original Honda) into that engine bay, the fuel economy numbers they report aren't really that impressive.
But Diesel should have been the initial plan, railway locomotives have been using that setup for decades.
Many American drivers still distrust diesel after the terrible vehicles (mostly large sedans) with big diesels that the big three produced back in the 70s and 80s. For better or for worse, the big three are aware of this and haven't bothered even trying to sell consumer diesels in the US. Unfortunately they also can't find marketing droids that are capable of pulling their own heads out of their own asses, so they will never try to correct the misconceptions.
Hence while indeed a diesel setup would have been a better idea for the Volt, it would have been likely a complete failure for GM.
Since their webserver seems to have gone up in a cloud of smoke I can't view the web page to see what car they worked on. Some of us might not realize that there have been two very different cars sold in the US by Honda called the Insight. The current one of course is a nearly perfect clone of the Toyota Prius. However some time ago there was a much, much, smaller hybrid sold by Honda under the same name. It was probably the first mass-market hybrid sold in the US. The first Insight could almost fit inside the trunk of the new one.
Hence getting 78mpg in the older Insight would not be nearly as much of a feat as doing the same in the new one.
The current model VW's that have diesel options (Jetta, Golf, Beetle) can average 50mpg all day long with 4 adults and the AC turned on. The first generation Honda Insight, by comparison, barely fits two grown adults (no back seat at all), and has a much smaller fuel tank. If they did this with the new Insight (their web page seems to have gone up in smoke so I can't tell which Insight they used) it would be a little more impressive, though they would still be dealing with the technical issues that face hybrids that do no apply to diesel.
I for one would rather start with a diesel and tune it to get 70mpg without a trunk full of batteries.
With only 2 people identified with the mutation, I wouldn't be willing to consider it a positive trait yet. We don't know what else this mutation may have changed for these people - if for example it were to reduce life expectancy in a significant manner I think I would prefer to sleep.
We need more individuals to study to determine the full effect of this mutation.
It sounds to me that your network might be unnecessarily complicated for your needs. If your network is large enough to require the services of an administrator, you should have enough funds to pay for a full-time on site admin. And with the economy as it is right now you can probably get a recent IT or CSci grad on the cheap since they'd be wise to admin your network rather than taking a job at wally world hoping for better luck later. Otherwise you might be wise to look into how you can simplify your setup so you can administer it yourself or pay one of your employees to administer it half time while doing their regular (hired) job the rest of the week.
Oh yes, she will be mine
Butchered by CmdTaco:
Someday I'm going to get me one.
... to have it place you in a group, and then randomly select one of the other groups to place your gaming experience into. That way rather than giving you the experience most appropriate for your gaming style, it gives you a gaming experience that might actually cause you to approach the situation differently.
I think that file compatibility is the issue
I disagree with file compatibility being the core issue hindering adoption of OpenOffice. If file compatibility were a significant issue that users cared about, then nobody would have purchased the newest version of MSOffice, as it defaults to saving in a file format that doesn't work with previous versions of MSOffice (or anything else on the planet for that matter).
Indeed the most compatible version of MSOffice is arguable the one that came out in 1995; the staggered PC/Mac releases every year since have made file incompatibility almost a hallmark of new releases of MSOffice.
Can my wife's mac read my PC MSOffice file?
Well, maybe... who has the newer version of Office again?
Oh shit, I don't remember, I'd better do save as and save as an older format just in case.
However the new .docx, .pptx, etc having kicked incompatibility up a notch. Suddenly half the world is now using "the wrong version" of MSOffice and needs to shell out hundreds of dollars to upgrade to read the new file formats.
It is because MS Office is the office for many Windows and Mac users. I know of people who are educated enough to know better will go and put down their own hard earned money to buy MS Office, even if they have heard of OpenOffice. I have a colleague who despises the interface of the new MS Office yet uses it every day, absolutely refusing to even consider installing OpenOffice on her laptop.
In short:
The issue is getting people to believe that OpenOffice is worthy of trying. If you know how to accomplish that on a large scale I'm probably not the only person who would love to hear it.
And then proceed to say that they include
Though it seems that even sites like slashdot could be grouped under that definition. For that matter other sites like wnd.com or the Huffington post could potentially be grouped similarly.
Before I could run Android on all my old SGI boxes that are collecting dust?
Where will we go to buy soldering irons and those RCA to headphone jack adapters no
You can go just about anywhere for those. The closest Radio Shack to where I live is across the parking lot from a Home Depot, I can buy those items there. For that matter I think I can find a better selection of those items there.
... OK I give up, what is it now?
The only thing I can get at Radio Shack that I can't get anywhere else is
Most schools, and by most I'm suspecting over 99%, do not have regular phones anywhere in the building except in the office and the teacher's lounge, and a few other places that are often in use when the front office is not manned, like a band room and gym. (And a few payphones if those are 'regular phones'.)
You have given us no reason why we should expect that your school experience is for some reason representative of all (or nearly all) schools in the country.
(And a few payphones if those are 'regular phones'.)
This particular discussion thread started with an AC troll concerned about people not being able to call 911 fast enough. Do the payphones in your part of the universe also restrict calling 911?
Otherwise as far as 911 is concerned payphones are generally quite "regular".
Seriously. You may remember telephones in classrooms, but they really did rip all those PBXs out and replace them with an intercom system that does the same thing. (But, and I can't stress this enough, cannot dial 911, because it cannot dial anyone, it just rings a bell in the office.)
So you personally worked on the telecom system in the high school I went to?
But I have no idea why you're bringing colleges into this.
I have no idea why you consider yourself to be the only source of true knowledge on this matter.