Yeah I think that is better. The real deal is that they are their own medium and have their own set of regulations, rules, and codes of conduct that the average person will not take the time to understand.
I hate this line of "reasoning." Entering a computer network is not the same as entering a house or other physical place. Since the beginning of the internet, systems have been presumed open. Only after more and more time has gone by, is this idea changing. Hell, most systems at the beginning didn't even have passwords. And they were considered open. Now all of a sudden, because manufacturers are lazy and most users/administrators are ignorant, do we hear people make analogies to physical spaces. Guess what? Networks and computer systems are not physical spaces! They have their own history and organic rule sets that have grown over the last 30+ years.
If anything, a better analogy is to compare systems to stores. Both provide public services and are accessible through public thoroughfares. So, if I leave my store open and unattended, that does not mean you should not come in unless I specifically leave a sign saying "the door is unlocked but don't come in." That's ridiculous. Instead, if you went in, while certainly raising suspicion and probably causing the owner to become irate and the police to investigate you, you haven't done anything wrong or illegal. Same if you have a key to said store and the owner has not asked you to not come in after hours. You haven't done anything illegal. Now, if you're in there looking at unsecured credit card numbers (left out in a file cabinet), you still haven't done anything illegal. You might tell your friend the owner that he might want to be more careful with where he puts others' private information. Still nothing illegal. Only until you take those CC#'s and/or use them fraudulently have you committed a crime.
I guess you can argue for hours about beer probably. I've always loved the taste of hooch, but I really don't find much to like about Bass or Guinness... gimme a Smithwick's or another Porter instead. And even though I like those I don't want to have more than a couple in one sitting before I would have to switch to liquor or a more "drinkable" beer, say Hamm's or 1664.
Budweiser, PBR, Hamm's, etc. are perfectly drinkable, tasty beers. Sure if I could drink Celebrator or Delirium or microbrews every day, but why spend so much on beer if a cool, crisp brewski is all you want?
Good for you Mr. Fancy Pants Beer Drinker. Nothin' wrong with PBR; it's quite drinkable. To be honest, I prefer Hamm's though, and Budweiser before it turned into a froo froo Belgian beer;)
The thing is reason #1 is already a very small percentage of musicians. 10% of CD's are profitable:
Another factor commonly overlooked in assessing CD prices is to assume that all CDs are equally profitable. In fact, the vast majority is never profitable. Each year, of the approximately 27,000 new releases that hit the market, the major labels release about 7,000 new CD titles and after production, recording, promotion and distribution costs, most never sell enough to recover these costs, let alone make a profit. In the end, less than 10% are profitable, and in effect, it's these recordings that finance all the rest.
On top of that, the percentage of musicians making much of a profit on music sales at all is so low that this hardly matters.
It's funny that before intellectual property law, this was the model. We seem to be going back to how things were before copyright in a lot of ways. And you're right, there were still a bunch of artists, musicians, and authors making money in various ways that have been basically snorted out because of copyright...
People don't always create to make a profit or a living. On the other hand, commissioned work is a good way for artists to make money. It's a complex issue, but as a comment a few posts up said, we will find amateurs of similar talent producing art and becoming famous for it because anyone can have a copy of their songs, books, etc. Effectively you are using the art or other material as a valuable advertisement for another service, e.g. live concerts, editing work, etc. Your advertising would be valuable so people would want it, and easy to circulate so there is a huge potential for it to spread to a lot of people. The artists whose concert tickets are exorbitantly high won't be able to compete with artists who are just as popular but whose concert tickets are half the price.
I could see it going "all free," but what is more likely, according to supply & demand, is that the main way to sell easily pirated material will be on the iTunes, eMusic, Amazon, etc. model. They are making a lot of money competing directly with piracy because they offer a better service. I just hope that model doesn't become the basis for the next round of screwing over artists while the corporate fat cats get rich off others' backs.
It's certainly not as bad as many other Middle Eastern (or world) countries, and I feel it's good to remember Israel when speaking about other parts of the Middle East.
Considering I can see antieastablishment speech nearly every day if I want to, in public in my Mid-Western town, and on the television and other media, I'd say it is you living in the dream world:(
Freedom isn't that much better in Canada anyway, and I will compare the US to any nation I fucking feel like if it proves my point like in the former post: that the idea that the US lacks any form of freedom of speech is ridiculous and that US Citizens have more freedoms than almost any other nation.
SO STOP THE DAMN WHINING and do something to help our country instead of making up paranoid fantasies about the Nazi-Fascist American government.
The right to conventional, relatively non-controversial speech in a setting that will not upset anyone or be particularly noticed by anyone who might be offended or threatened by said speech.
You know that getting fired or "persecuted" for your speech is mostly none of the government's business, right? US Citizens are protected from being treated differently under the law for the opinions they express in public and private discourse. Go out on the streets and non-violently engage people in anti-government dialogue and you won't be arrested in America (for the most part, obviously we're not perfect.) Now try that in China, Iran, Israel, etc and see how fast you are arrested or murdered, then come back and tell us how the US doesn't have freedom of speech again.
I thought it was because there are few, if any, predicted new configurations of the sort of subatomic particles today's colliders are designed to allow experiments on. That's why the LHC was created - to delve to a lower level of subatomic particle than we are currently capable. (IANAP)
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Yeah I think that is better. The real deal is that they are their own medium and have their own set of regulations, rules, and codes of conduct that the average person will not take the time to understand.
I hate this line of "reasoning." Entering a computer network is not the same as entering a house or other physical place. Since the beginning of the internet, systems have been presumed open. Only after more and more time has gone by, is this idea changing. Hell, most systems at the beginning didn't even have passwords. And they were considered open. Now all of a sudden, because manufacturers are lazy and most users/administrators are ignorant, do we hear people make analogies to physical spaces. Guess what? Networks and computer systems are not physical spaces! They have their own history and organic rule sets that have grown over the last 30+ years.
If anything, a better analogy is to compare systems to stores. Both provide public services and are accessible through public thoroughfares. So, if I leave my store open and unattended, that does not mean you should not come in unless I specifically leave a sign saying "the door is unlocked but don't come in." That's ridiculous. Instead, if you went in, while certainly raising suspicion and probably causing the owner to become irate and the police to investigate you, you haven't done anything wrong or illegal. Same if you have a key to said store and the owner has not asked you to not come in after hours. You haven't done anything illegal. Now, if you're in there looking at unsecured credit card numbers (left out in a file cabinet), you still haven't done anything illegal. You might tell your friend the owner that he might want to be more careful with where he puts others' private information. Still nothing illegal. Only until you take those CC#'s and/or use them fraudulently have you committed a crime.
Real men don't have anything to do with butterflies. Or XKCD ;)
I guess you can argue for hours about beer probably. I've always loved the taste of hooch, but I really don't find much to like about Bass or Guinness... gimme a Smithwick's or another Porter instead. And even though I like those I don't want to have more than a couple in one sitting before I would have to switch to liquor or a more "drinkable" beer, say Hamm's or 1664.
Viva la difference!
Just say NO to beer snobs ;)
Budweiser, PBR, Hamm's, etc. are perfectly drinkable, tasty beers. Sure if I could drink Celebrator or Delirium or microbrews every day, but why spend so much on beer if a cool, crisp brewski is all you want?
Good for you Mr. Fancy Pants Beer Drinker. Nothin' wrong with PBR; it's quite drinkable. To be honest, I prefer Hamm's though, and Budweiser before it turned into a froo froo Belgian beer ;)
The thing is reason #1 is already a very small percentage of musicians. 10% of CD's are profitable:
On top of that, the percentage of musicians making much of a profit on music sales at all is so low that this hardly matters.
Further reading:
http://www.azoz.com/music/features/0008.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20030313214407/http://www.riaa.org/PR_STORY.CFM?ID=491
It's funny that before intellectual property law, this was the model. We seem to be going back to how things were before copyright in a lot of ways. And you're right, there were still a bunch of artists, musicians, and authors making money in various ways that have been basically snorted out because of copyright...
People don't always create to make a profit or a living. On the other hand, commissioned work is a good way for artists to make money. It's a complex issue, but as a comment a few posts up said, we will find amateurs of similar talent producing art and becoming famous for it because anyone can have a copy of their songs, books, etc. Effectively you are using the art or other material as a valuable advertisement for another service, e.g. live concerts, editing work, etc. Your advertising would be valuable so people would want it, and easy to circulate so there is a huge potential for it to spread to a lot of people. The artists whose concert tickets are exorbitantly high won't be able to compete with artists who are just as popular but whose concert tickets are half the price.
I could see it going "all free," but what is more likely, according to supply & demand, is that the main way to sell easily pirated material will be on the iTunes, eMusic, Amazon, etc. model. They are making a lot of money competing directly with piracy because they offer a better service. I just hope that model doesn't become the basis for the next round of screwing over artists while the corporate fat cats get rich off others' backs.
Hee hee.
Don't be a wuss. Develop mutant powers in a nuclear accident* and burn the pits into optical media with your newly acquired laser eye.
*Some trial and error may be necessary.
I like beer and coding y'all. Gimme a six packa Hamm's or PBR any fuckin' day.
You believe the words coming out of their mouths. How cute ;)
Huh?
Shut up you all... the Disagree Mail section's not too bad ;)
Considering I can see antieastablishment speech nearly every day if I want to, in public in my Mid-Western town, and on the television and other media, I'd say it is you living in the dream world :(
Freedom isn't that much better in Canada anyway, and I will compare the US to any nation I fucking feel like if it proves my point like in the former post: that the idea that the US lacks any form of freedom of speech is ridiculous and that US Citizens have more freedoms than almost any other nation.
SO STOP THE DAMN WHINING and do something to help our country instead of making up paranoid fantasies about the Nazi-Fascist American government.
jail/kicked out of school/fired/persecuted ...
The right to conventional, relatively non-controversial speech in a setting that will not upset anyone or be particularly noticed by anyone who might be offended or threatened by said speech.
You know that getting fired or "persecuted" for your speech is mostly none of the government's business, right? US Citizens are protected from being treated differently under the law for the opinions they express in public and private discourse. Go out on the streets and non-violently engage people in anti-government dialogue and you won't be arrested in America (for the most part, obviously we're not perfect.) Now try that in China, Iran, Israel, etc and see how fast you are arrested or murdered, then come back and tell us how the US doesn't have freedom of speech again.
That's right, Microsoft: open source software can gun for you too, motherfuckers!
Good luck Jennifer! It's fairly certain that her suit will pan out, but who knows nowadays?
Every state has a continuum that is favorable for the explanation of said state.
At first I thought "so what," but now IC that this is momentous.
I thought it was because there are few, if any, predicted new configurations of the sort of subatomic particles today's colliders are designed to allow experiments on. That's why the LHC was created - to delve to a lower level of subatomic particle than we are currently capable. (IANAP)
Yeah, it was pretty funny!
How does it feel in the Ivory Tower ;)